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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • RV3
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    50th Box ......DAVE PICKS #15
    Some have seen me a bit cynical & snide on these boards regarding releases ( and lack there of post-1978)....NO MORE, I could not be happier with the 30 TRIPS box set! Bravo to David L & TPTB for their great selections, especially post-1978. Although the 1972, 1973,1974,1977, and 1978 shows look very stellar & unique also.....that being said I'm always curious & just wondering how DAVE will possibly top this box with DP#15?!?! ....I think the loose rumors are true & Dave and Co. will finally release 5/8/77 as DP#15. If not, then we will probably see 4/26/84 IMHO & research. One last thing, for those bitchers about the 50th Box pricetag: 1) think about how much you're getting for the $700 2) stop d*cking around on these boards & go to work so you can afford this STELLAR Box Set. Thanks DAVE!
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    I have to agree with PTBarnum. When the E'72 box came out, they said it was 7200 offered and then no more. Then they released the "Music only" version. Not fair in a way. I think you have to read between the lines with Rhino. They say these shows will not be offered individually on cd. So that means they can offer cds in groups, like maybe by each decade or some other grouping? It also means, I think, that eventually downloads will be made available. I want the cds so I don't care if they do offer downloads. I think they will wait until it sells out. After all, on the Spring 1990 TOO box they offered downloads right away and now they have over 400 boxes on the shelf. I believe Rhino is trying to avoid storing anything. Some have argued that the cost of storage is minimal. And while that may be true, please remember that they have to pay taxes on inventory and also the longer these things sit in a warehouse, the greater the chance they could be damaged or they might get "lost" and find their way out the back door. Not that I am pointing fingers at any Rhino employees, but we all have to realize that things do tend to happen as time goes on. Rock on
  • PT Barnum
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    what I am saying is if they release individual shows, this box will not be as advertised, bait and switch, say one thing, do another, that's like saying I'm only going to make ten of something, charge what ever the market will bear, make a bunch of money, then make a bunch more and sell them for cheaper. If that isn't bait and switch, I don't know what is. Also, there was never taxes before, the shipping charge covered the taxes, now, taxes and free shipping, but if you wait you will be charged shipping and taxes, sounds like double charge to me, but what do I know. I have to pay taxes at the end of the year on all internet purchases, what about this one? double pay? My comment was never intended to fire anyone up, just an observation. This has happened before. I never planed to sell this box, nor divide it up and sell it or burn copies and sell them, just a loop hole that I have discovered in the advertising of this set, that's all, take it if you need it, or leave it.... I do not agree that this should be a limited edition, I think all should be able to get it all, at whatever cost you can afford, but to say it's a limited edition, then release individual shows is false advertising and can come back to bite Rhino in the butt, that's all I'm saying. Riding that train, value is a subjective thing, isn't it? I never mentioned value or anything about "my big box" I can't afford this thing anymore than you can. I just see a potential for problems in the future with non payment if they decide to go with releasing shows that are suppose to be "limited". Kind of a lie, don't you think?
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    death, taxes, and me and my uncle.
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    Sleep: Dopesmoker recently discovered alternative when I need to hear something besides the GD. gruh gruh GRUH BUH gruh give yourself an hour and 10 minutes for a change of pace you'll never forget.
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    Brian, your post about everything being reversed in Australia is one of the funniest things I've ever read on this site. Nice. I've been reading all this, and uncharacteristically silent. I think the people who've pointed out the difficulty of having great shows (like Lindley) being buried in a 700 dollar box are making a valid point, and I don't really understand why that upset other people. It's not whining, to me, and most even added something like "but I'm sure those who can afford it will love it!" As the "wife" posts indicate, this is more than an issue of "affording it" - heck, I have the money for it. Problem is, it's not like there aren't many other things that cost money in life (tuition, sports gear for the kids, car issues, home repair, etc). Some people basically accused others of not being farsighted, because they didn't save up for the inevitable big box. Pshaw. One can "have the money" but have trouble with prioritizing this. Some sympathy for your fellows would be nice. I'm having my own ethical struggles with how to go about purchasing this. Like Brian said, I should move to Australia - I love my wife dearly, and she's frankly hot as hell. Smoking hot. More sex as "penalty" would be pretty okay with me :) But here in the northern hemisphere.... Kate - welcome back! Where is Cosmic Badger? Angry Jack Straw ... you are a good man. Wissinoming - positive vibes and love to you and your family.
  • Ridin that Train
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    defective?
    I can't quite agree that if they decided to sell 30 trips as individual shows this would make the box set somehow "defective". Are you saying the box set would lose it's value? Only in relation to the value you place in it, unless you plan to sell it it will retain whatever value you ascribe to it. If you have the Europe 72 trunk with all the bells and whistles that doesn't suddenly become devalued just because you can buy an individual show. The bottom line is this..the music deserves to be heard by all who wish to hear it. Some people can't pay 700 dollars for one box set. Does that mean that we don't deserve to EVER hear those shows because it might make your big box "defective". I can't get down with that kind of thinking. At the end of the day it's about the music being heard not the collectible value of a box set. i am happy to pay for the music and do not expect it to be given away for free but I could care less if they decided to re-release everything they ever put out even if it was supposed to be a limited edition or a one time thing. It makes me sad when I miss out on getting a Dave's pick or can't find a copy of a bonus disc because I just want to hear the music, that's all that matters to me. I have not nor will I ever sell any of my collection so the commercial value means nothing to me. I just want people to be able to listen to this great band.
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    Hello again, I purchased the original E72 box when it first was announced, at that time they said that there would never be any others made, then they announced the individual show sales and the music only sales, this made the original box NOT what it was advertised as, a defective product. I guarantee you they will not make that same mistake, there will be no music only box, or single show downloads or sales, if they do, that would also make this box FALSE advertising and a defective product...grounds for any and all not to pay for it. Also, what's up with the taxes? I have never paid tax on a dead product before, now, 50 plus extra bucks for taxes? What gives? What if the state you live in is not on the list of taxed states? How do you get this tax off of your bill? And the money just keeps on flowing, after this 50 year thing, these guys will never have to perform again. It's a sad, sad day, Robert Hunter said it best in his blog, one day, this wonderful music will no longer be heard in concert halls and arenas, it will not be out there for all the world to hear and experience the wonder of it all, well folks, this day is upon us. I miss Jerry and the Grateful Dead. Thank God they were wise enough to record these shows, so future generations can hear what we all experienced, one afternoon, long ago.
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    DEFINITION OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD
    The definition of the Grateful Dead sure put's a new spin on the recent high priced anniversary. I would say throughout the 50 year span the "Hero" and the "Debtor"("Campanion") have changed roles and at least a few occasions. This time for the WORKINGMAN'S DEAD I sure wish the fans had a low cost choice to enjoy this ride. My vote - single show purchases... DEFINITION OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD Alternate title: grateful ghost grateful dead, in folktales of many cultures, the spirit of a deceased person who bestows benefits on the one responsible for his burial. In the prototypical story, the protagonist is a traveler who encounters the corpse of a debtor, to whom the honour of proper burial has been denied. After the traveler satisfies the debt, or, in some versions, pays for the burial, he goes on his way. In another version of the story, burial is prescribed for religious reasons but prohibited by civil authorities. It is this version that forms the theme of the apocryphal Book of Tobit in the Old Testament. The hero is soon joined by another traveler (sometimes in the form of an animal, or, in the story of Tobit, an angel), who helps him in a dramatic way. In some stories the companion saves the hero’s life; in others he helps him gain a prize. In many versions, the companion offers to aid the hero, but only on condition that they divide the prize. Then, as the hero is about to comply, the companion reveals himself as the grateful spirit of the deceased whom the hero helped to bury.
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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....Two From The Vault is from the 8.24 gig. One of the best sounding releases they ever put out imo. The Death Don't is to die for (pun intended?). Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. The Scarlet and Music to end the first set at Cobo is simply stunning....I replayed those two tracks in fact....Some hiss in Bertha to begin the set, but it disappears mid-song. Sounds Grate....right Dave? I sense we are both checking out this selection at relatively the same time?....
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The issue is confused because they came out with two versions of this release. Originally it was only 2 discs from 8/24/68. However the newer 3 disc version released in 2007 contains a third disc of three tracks all from 8/23/68. I believe it discusses this on the packaging of the newer release, and is mentioned on Wikipedia article about this release. Edit: deaddisc.com also mentions this in their entry for this release.
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The Vault copies of the two from the Vault 1968 are much like the 67 show in the box in that over the decades the boxes and the reels are no longer guaranteed to be the date as listed. If you listen to the 1968 shows in question, they are different, but whether the first night tape ended up in the 2nd night box over the years, no one knows for sure anymore.For years the identity of 10/12 & 13/68 were doubted because of identical setlists, but they are 2 different shows. This would be the shows without Pigpen, when he was "fired" according to some memoirs, but with out Pigpen to mix things up the band played the same Dark Star sequence both nights.
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....I have the original release. Liner notes says they recorded both nights. Dead Base ironed that out....still sounds perfect. Could have been recorded yesterday!....
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My copy of this release, the original version, does indicate that both dates contributed songs to the release.HOWEVER Deaddisc.com had this to say: "... There was some confusion on the original release of this set as to the date of the recordings. Initially the music was thought to be from both August 23 and August 24 1968. It has since been determined though that the music on Two From The Vault is all from August 24, 1968. The additional tracks added as a third disc for the expanded edition are from August 23rd, 1968 ... (and were) ... previously been released on: The Golden Road (1965-1973), Grateful Dead, 2001 Athem Of The Sun, Grateful Dead, 2003 (expanded edition)
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Happy to know that now - I can update accordingly - I've been thinking of trying to do a 30 Trips style compilation with the 5 available 30 Days Of Dead. I may even put the 'Dark Star' from the 2/14/70 early show (30DOD 2011) to start the DP4 2/14 late show since there's no "Dark Star' in the set list. I already incorporated the 'Bear's Choice' material were applicable so why not go for broke?
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I heard some October 68' last week on Sirius.. Not much info about Date or Venue provided by Dave, he mentions it's labeled "October 1968". I am almost convinced it is the show performed on October 11, 1968 at the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco. Dark Star -> St. Stephen -> The Eleven -> Death Don't Have No Mercy Fast forward to October 11, 1983 Madison Square Garden in New York City, St. Stephen would reappear in the song selection after a 4 year no show in setlists.. And 15 years to the day from the Labeled "October 1968" tape. DaveStrang - Dark Star - 1.2.70. Check it out. One of the finest pieces/sequences I have heard played from any of the GD platforms in 2015. And when is 12.31.69 getting the treatment ??
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....of the Cobo Good Lovin', the boyz drop into that ethereal pool of the '76 sound. Stops at 7:30....shame. Three minutes of bliss. Comes A Time then breaks the water with a cascade of emotion....man o man....THAT's what I'm talkin' 'bout....
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....I have Cobo spinning "relatively" loud. Not Fade Away is grooving. He comes back down the hallway bopping away. I say, "Feels good huh?". "What does?" he says. "That!" as I point to the stereo. He ponders, then responds with, "Their name sounds like a cult, but they do play pretty good music.".... ....I raised him well.... ....edit. Strong China Cat theme going on at the 10:15 mark of NFA. This show impresses....
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Being as they were just starting up the ''tour machine" again I think the set lists were some of the most varied they ever performed being as they were testing /trying out different combinations of songs. I'd like to think the dearth of '76 releases is for a potential (maybe 2016?) box set. I've noticed many shows on Archive.org have soundboards that TPTB say are missing. Am I missing something here?
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There are many shows, and the missing Betty's are but one example, where copies had/have been made of tapes that subsequently went missing - actually in the case of many of missing Betty's, they were recorded to DAT after being tracked down, but where the master reels were and in many cases still are missing from the vault. It appears they are loathe to release shows where they do not have the actual master reels in the vault. One possible reason for this is that they hope to get/find them again some day, and it would be a shame if they had already been commercially released in sound quality below what would have been possible with the actual master reel to reels. So, there ARE shows where soundboards exist and are available on the Archive, but where the original master reels are not in the Dead's Vault.
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I too would like to hear more releases from 1976. This was a very important and pivotal year for the Dead, and I agree that there was much experimentation, listening, and truly unique improvisational playing from the band that went on during this year.
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One story I have heard is that the "owner" of these tapes, wants too much compensation for the return to the vault of these tapes. In my opinion this "owner" really does not own the music contained on these tapes nor the tapes nor the reels or boxes. I think the "owner" was ripped off by the auctioneering firm.But I really don't know the real or "reel" story behind some of these missing Betty boards.
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The prospect that we may NEVER hear this music because of lost/unreturned reels is very sad indeed. How does everyone else feel about this? Wait for possibly never returned/found reels or use the soundboards?
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This is a strong show, for 1995, some Norman magic on the SBD and this would be a good choice for the next 30 Trips set. https://archive.org/details/gd95-06-21.naks.5971.sbeok.shnf It's an aud, but you get a good idea of the show. On the Betty boards you can stream them on LMA, they are not lost, in fact they are traded freely. You just aren't looking in the right places to find them.
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Well Donovan was one of the first psychedelic artists, with many innovations in lyrics and music. He did make a trip to California in early 66 and saw Jefferson Airplane before they had Grace, so he may have also seen the Dead play. Though I'm pretty sure he never took the stage or jammed with them ever. Donovan was a psychedelic freak back in 65 and by 67 had given up most drugs and urged others to do so, in favor of meditation. Really enjoy his music and the one show I was lucky enough to attend in Eugene OR. That mountain jam in Alligator is pure joy, I had listened to Donovan for a few years before the Dead and was blown away when I put on Anthem for the first time just as many probably were, besides the fact that the whole album is a masterpiece that reference just made/makes me happy.
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Living in NYC I need great headphones to make sure I hear the music over the traffic. My choice is the PSB M4U 2 headphones which sound amazing and have an awesome noise cancellation option. The company is also really great in terms of customer service. I also have PSB speakers on one of my high-end stereos which is what lead me to their headphones. Another strong contender for me would be the oppo PM-2 Planar Magnetic headphones. Strongly recommend you check these two out before making a buying decision.
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....ya know, I heard the Nazi's built a base on the dark side of the moon....just saying....
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For 80-100$ the Sony MDRV6 headphones are great cans for the money.
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Right back at you my friend.. if I am ever in the North of Spain, I might just look you up. Love Spain!
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Forgetting about the Betty's for a minute, many shows have tapes that are lost or missing that have sbds on the LMA. For a long time there was very little monitoring of who took what from the vault. Many of these shows were recorded by Dick and or others and leaked to friends, etc. and copied (and who knows how well they were copied?), so in fact these original reels ARE lost and/or missing even though you may find sbds looking in the "right places" as you put it. As I said, it seems they are hesitant to produce official commercial releases from COPIES of the original master reels (assuming they even have access to the first gen copies, and not copies of the copies, etc.) because they have know way of knowing how much better the actual original reels are until they get them back, which has happened with quite a few reels. I don't know what you mean when said "On the Betty boards you can stream them on LMA, they are not lost, in fact they are traded freely. You just aren't looking in the right places to find them.". His whole question was based on the fact that he KNOWS there are sbds available, and was wondering how it's possible that the tapes can still be missing from the vault (so they can be used to produce commercial releases) since those sbds circulate. The assumption being made that leads to that seemingly illogical conclusion is assuming that if a sbd circulates then the original tape must be in the vault - that's an incorrect assumption.
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My point was just because they have not been officially released they are easy to hear for free. They do exist in very good quality, just not in the hands of Rhino to make selections from for release on their slow schedule. Now the end of 5/16/81 that is a "missing reel".
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Would you as a paying customer be willing to pay for VERY GOOD/EXCELLENT sounding soundboard releases vs. never hearing a given show because of missing/lost master reels? How about it everyone? A thought that occurs to me is that any reels missing from the late 60's to early 70's could be deteriorated to the point of being unusable anyway. Whaddaya think?
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I think the term missing reels is being used for more than one type of problem. There are missing reels/tapes because of damage or accidents. they don't exist for us to hear. Then there are tapes missing from the Vault, these are the ones that have through various ways made it into circulation. They do exist, are only missing from the Vault, but are available in wider circulation than any Dave's Picks or limited edition box. The cat is out of the bag for many shows, for rhino to release a tape from circulation in similar quality would require them becoming like ABB and not allowing digital trading/sharing of anything but audience tapes. It's been tried already, it didn't work out well, but did lead to the stream only policy on LMA.
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Yes I would. I believe that with modern technology there is a lot that can be done even with copies to make them sound as great as possible, and I wish they would do this in many cases. It appears that they don't generally agree. About the 5/16/81 missing reel, since all copies seem to be missing the end, I would guess that there was never actually a reel that went missing, but rather that portion of the show was never recorded for some reason - equipment failure, someone never flipped/changed tape, or whatever - somehow never got recorded at the board. Edit: I just saw Kayak's post, and I respectfully disagree with his conclusion. Although Dave and co., have reveled at times providing shows that don't widely circulate, they have chosen many (between dicks, road trips and daves and boxes) shows that they know are in wide circulation as excellent soundboards. That has not deterred them at all. Most of the released 77 shows, spring and fall, circulated widely as great soundboards, for example. Dicks 29, dicks 10, dicks 15, daves 12, dicks 34, etc. Same goes for the Veneta 72 show and many others.
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This is my 3rd spin today - I think it'll wind up being in my top 5. The 'Scarlet' and 'TMNS' are as good as it gets. Even 'Looks Like Rain' is excellent. Onto '77 next. I'm trying to get in as much as possible since I leave for surgery tomorrow (followed by phys. rehab). So no music for while.
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Once something comes out officially it is retired from LMA and becomes harder to get. Some BT sites will not allow torrents of released dates and usually the official release is an upgrade.I welcome them to upgrade my entire collection. Much of what circulates is in fact in the Vault, they are Latvala's copies of the shows they can be identified as they usually have a reel or cassette gen in the lineage before the DAT. When Eaton would let stuff slip out it would have an extra cassette in the lineage.
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Ever since they changed to the stream only policy, all boards on the LMA are basically retired. So now, there is no change (in almost every case) to what's available on the archive once a show is officially released. It was stream only before release, and remains stream only after release. There have been only a very very few instances where the streams have been cut off.
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Has anyone else had issues with the 74 show's audio on disk 2? Peggie-O and big river has next to no vocal audio, all else sounds great but you can barely hear the vocal track on these songs. Is this a flaw in the recording or is my disc defective? thanks. John
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The flaw is in the recording, although I don't have in Peggy-o, but i do in loose Lucy and big river. Are you sure you have the in Peggy-o. I'm any case, it wouldn't a problem with the cd. It's in the recording.
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Sorry, you are correct it is Loose Lucy. Thanks for the reply, I assumed it was recording but just wanted to be sure. Kind of a bummer, great pick up until the issue sucked the life out it for me. On disk three now and its great.
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....perhaps the same place? Only a two hour drive from here. Might get shot though....Go Cubs!!! ...seriously, Cobo rocks....in that slow, decisive, progressive '76 way. I love this year....
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I got as far as '71, then gave in to my primal '77 needs. Justified by the fact it will be another week before I can listen loudly at home and enjoy refreshments.
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DavidStrang mentioned Dark Star 2/14/70 early show. That 2/14/70 early show is fabulous, a compact but powerful hour and twenty minutes or so, marred in the circulating soundboard by several minutes missing at the end of St. Stephen/beginning of The Eleven. But otherwise a dynamite, coherent and organic performance. Total synchrony between everyone in the band, with Lesh and Garcia trading off and combining the lead, Weir filling the spaces throughout, percussion driving the whole. To give that hour and twenty minutes some context, the Dead were top billed, opening acts were the Allman Bros. Band and Love. Shortly before the Dead came on stage, Love completed their set with a song including an extended, memorable drum solo, complete with tape loop effects that floored the audience. There was a brief intermission to set up the Dead, opening with a fine Cold Rain & Snow, but recall the audience was coming off a total psychedelic melt down set by Love and the audience was positive but NY style not very impressed. However ... at the opening notes of Dark Star, silence fell in the orchestra and we were away on a very unusual trip, including yours truly, then fourteen years old attending the early show to meet a parental curfew, having no knowledge of the Dead, other than a brief mention in the musical "Hair" ("out of bread, like the Grateful Dead"). I went because I wanted to know why "the Grateful Dead" were "out of bread" and why they merited mention in popular musical. I didn't learn why they were out of bread, but I sure did understand why they merited mention.
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wow.. Dicks Picks 4. At worst, perhaps the second or third to best released. Tell me why, again, they were not released as whole shows?
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....that, when I listen to these shows, I recall having most of these on tape, and played them many years ago. Certain runs and themes sound very familiar....takes be back to circa '88-'92, when I was doing some serious taping. Had more hair then too....
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I won't say it's my favorite Scarlet > Fire... but maybe one of my favorite Fires. Such a gentle come down at the end of it.
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Just put on DP 14 (late show 2/14 and mixed 2/13), switching from the early show from (old) archive. The announcer that night was John Zacherle. If you grew up in NYC, Zacherle was a wildly popular FM radio DJ & local TV personality. He was a local star. Even for a kid as I was, the scene was intense. The sound system worked differently from the later Dead. All vocals and just a little of the rest went through the PA, the guitars drums bass were coming off the stage, and from the orchestra, 100% of the instruments came from the stage with vocals "mono" from the PA. Talk about soundstage! The lighting was operated by a bunch of high school drop outs (I know, because I scored fourth row orchestra via a friend whose drop out brother managed the spots). Not to mention the smoke etc. wafting through the air. I'm surprised that Bear managed to record everything that was released. But you are absolutely correct. There is more, DP4 has but a portion. After all, I have a 44.1/16 kHz of 2/14 early, obviously more exists that is not on DP4. The entire two days should be released. Bear made an exquisite recording. He must have set up one mix to record, and one for the house, and recording to stereo open reel. Incredible. DP4 notes by Bear say he used Scotch 207 tape, those were 1800 foot reels meaning a flip every 45 minutes. Extremely fine back coated tape, unless water damaged, should still be good. They could just do fade in/out to accommodate the flips. edit - by the way, go back to 2/14 early, the Eleven, about 2/3 through, Garcia does a duet with the percussion, Lesh comes in, then Weir, and they hit the Eleven theme with that syncopation from Kreutzman/Hart that I never hear elsewhere - but there I hear the seeds of Terrapin, just for a couple of minutes. Anyone else?
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To the best of my knowledge, John Zacherley is still alive and kickin. What a character, good catch man.. what a character. He's not to far away from being a hundred years old by now. Perhaps he is a vampire or something. "The Grateful Goddamn Dead"
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I just checked, Zacherle is 97 and he still doing public appearances. I used to listen to him on WNEW-FM NYC way back when radio stations actually had personalities and style. Maybe he is a vampire, he certainly seemed to believe that to be the case. Zacherle used to play GD songs from soundboards and aud recordings from time to time during his evening show on the radio. He also played a lot of other music to open up the minds of his listeners. He was on until maybe midnight, then came Allison Steele, who presented other ideas. It was a great radio station with a lot of talented people involved (Scot Muni, Pete Fornatale, Dave Herman, Jonathan Schwartz). It was a time of mind expanding, creativity on the radio waves. Nothing I've heard like it these days. Radio seems to be on rigid themes these days (classical,hip-hop, jazz, "classic" rock, GD 24/7, Elvis 24/7 etc. never the twain shall meet). Sad. PS DP4 takes all the songs out of order and great as it is, messes up the energy. Dark Star on CD1 is from the early 2/14, should lead into St. Stephen, not Cryptical. It sounds good but loses the energy intent going on at the time. I'm probably not the first person to criticize the various producers for fooling around like this, but here it is especially annoying because it is the opposite of what the Dead actually did. Should have left it original and faded where the tape ran out.
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One of the reasons I am a full show guy. The word travesty comes to mind.. but perhaps its a bit overused on this forum. Still, I cannot think of a better word. I would buy the complete shows in a NY minute. I wholeheartedly agree. Edit: Love the info on WNEW. I did not know that..
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Whats really impressive in all of this is that.. he was almost 50 years old when the GD formed.. and yet some years later he played soundboard and audience tapes on his radio program in NYC? Think about that for a minute.. my parents (younger and hipper) were not nearly so young nor hip. In my opinion, pretty bold for the times.
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Your word, travesty, is exactly correct. One of the great aspects of a Grateful Dead concert is the coherent movement of the music, it doesn't matter 1970, 1980, 1990, that is always present. Garcia was strongly aware of rhythmic movement, clear if you listen to some of his late interviews. Going from Dark Star to Cryptical, when the Dead actually went to St. Stephen is a distortion. After the intro bridge, St. Stephen has a forward impulse, a triumphant musical gesture. Cryptical is the opposite, it moves back in time, with sustained tension, only releasing with the percussion bridge. A Grateful Dead concert, at its best, was like a symphony. They challenge the listener. Changing the song order is wrong, even if there are technical flaws in the recording. I remember being frustrated about a year after the Fillmore show, 2/18/71, many new songs, material moved around, but I also remember at the very end when the lights came on the feeling that I had just experienced a dramatic creative energy, and a forward movement in musical thinking. In my opinion the problem is the focus on individual songs (like, wow that was the best Shakedown ever!), rather than on the whole that each concert provides, warts and all. Sometimes the Dead put on a fully coherent concert, like a symphony, and sometimes they couldn't pull the whole thing together. But that determination must vary with the listener, and their concerts should always be released in toto, without edits. Let the listener decide, not some after the fact producer who thinks he/she knows better. In my not-so-humble opinion, and why I am so much looking forward to my USB 30 Trips, I suppose sometime in November.
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Fortunately, you did not make a mistake and you did well included the show of 5/4/72 in your list. Otherwise I would have been furious and I would have cursed at least you until the release of the next Dave's Picks!
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I agree with MaryE and Mr.Dc that Donovan probably never played with the Dead. As to whether the Dead ever saw Donovan play, that is another matter, but it seems unlikely that they saw him before his release of "There is a mountain" in July '67. The Dead's first visit to England was in May '70 when they played the Hollywood Festival. Mr.Dc asserts that Donovan visited California in early '66. That may well be so, but I was not aware of that. However, he does mention Jefferson Airplane in his song "The Fat Angel" so it is quite possible that he saw the Airplane in early '66. What I do know is that he recorded in LA in late '66 and early '67 but if he and the Dead met or saw each other play at that time I do not know. The Dead and Donovan (a stalwart of the '70s festival scene in England) both played the Bickershaw Festival (Europe '72) but Donovan played on the Saturday and the Dead played on the Sunday. Whether either braved the mud and cold to watch the other perform is also an unknown. I was lucky enough to see 'em both.
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Where's my Lightning Bolt? Where's my $700 Lightning Bolt? Where's ANYONE's $700 Lightning Bolt? My patience is growing thin and my mood is rapidly souring. Where's my Lightning Bolt?!?!?
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I didn't order one, I'm still stuck in the antiquated CD system, but I have a "hunch" that the bolt just may ship out sometime in the week of October 26th, a Monday. It probably won't sell out before the mass shipping date, whenever that will be.One of the advantages of the USB will be the playing order of 11/14/73 San Diego Sports Arena show, the time restrictions of the CD will not be in place, so one can enjoy the whole show in correct playing order.
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