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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • KeithFan2112
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    Speaking of Decline
    Yeah Palmer, you bring up a good point. What happened to Bob Weir's guitar sound in the late 70s? I want to call it choppy flamenco, but I don't know why I want to call it that. It's something in the tone of his guitar that changed a whole bunch. I may be morphing into pre-hiatus guy....I've always maintained that they were better with just Billy on drums, and that almost anything they played on the Europe '72 tour sounded better in '72 than it did after the hiatus (Bertha, Cold Rain, New Minglewood ((Ladies & Gentlemen - wow)), Ramble On, Sugar Magnolia, Promised Land, Deal, the list goes on. But there was so much good stuff I like in 77/78 - Scarlet Fire, Music Never Stopped, Estimated Eyes, Help-Slipknot-Franklin, The Wheel, Samson, the list goes on.
  • JimInMD
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    DearJerry
    For the Shakedown Sessions, I don't think it was that he wasn't welcome to the studio, its that there were days that he didn't even show up, especially towards the end. Jerry, in particular, was pissed and asked John Kahn to finish. He even has keyboard credits on the album. Wouldn't that qualify to some of the comments at least? I also think Keith's playing is brilliant for most of his career with the Dead, and I often spend large amounts of time listening to the Keith Years. I also think band members opinions count. So there's a lot to this, but most importantly I don't recall any significant volume of people bashing Keith's playing on this thread. ..and if there are some comments you might not like, they are almost always in response to someone stirring the pot with Brent bashing, which certainly offends people. I was just highlighting that for a host of reasons Feb '17th was their last show, so lets be thankful for what we have instead of dwelling on what we cannot impact. It is what it is. That's all, nothing personal.
  • Cousins Of The…
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    Just finished listening Row Jimmy from 3/20/77. Keith sounds great backing up Jerry's fine, lyrical solo, but is clobbered by every hit of Mickey's bass drum. I think this was mentioned a few weeks ago; very apparent to me on this track. To my ears, it sounds like there was a change in the mix from 76 to 77; more emphasis on the drums(esp. bass drum), and a less "crispy" bass, making the overall sound a little muddier than it was.
  • PalmerEldritch
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    I love the keyboard/era debates!
    I don't agree that "old" topics, such as era- and keyboard debates should be retired. This day's posts has been the most interesting here to me in weeks: from floridabobs culture reflections all through the Keith decline discussion. Almost anything that generates a flurry of thoughtful posts seems cool to me as long as it's civil. As a lifelong Deadhead, I think the era/keyboard debate is perfectly relevant and (for me) endlessly fascinating (well, nearly endlessly). I'm extemely conflicted and ambivalent about most of the Dead's post-hiatus music and have been that way for >35 years. Where else can we talk about these things? If we only stuck to the forum topic, we all know these threads dry up quickly and become boring as all hell. My guess is that,era/keyboard discussions generate the most interest here, despite complaints about "old, well worn" topics. Anyone really bored can just scroll though topics that don't interest them. I did draft a long post to contribute to the Keith decline discussion but lost the draft. Basically, I agree with LoveJerry. Keith sounds fine to me in the late 70's but as someone pointed out, he seems very low in the mix. Yes, there is a huge difference in Keith's playing E72 and May 77; but the same could be said for Phil and Bobby's playing. How could anyone not notice a similar decline in their playing? Listen to any of Bob and Phil's playing from the late 70's compared to, say Fillmore 2/69, E72, or WInterland 73. Night and day.
  • KeithFan2112
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    hahahaha What?? He stole Jerry's stash??
    No wonder he wasn't welcome (and no wonder he couldn't finish the Shakedown Street session). Hey hey, Jerrylover, don't drag my name in the mud lol. I only said he was a fair pilot. No but really Keith Moon was like the tazmanian devil with drumsticks. If anyone has heard his live stuff from Tommy and Live at leads, in that '69 - '70 zone, you know what I'm talking about. I can understand why Clapton or Baker (I forget which one) would have given that snide expression when asked about Moon's talent compared to Baker, because Ginger was great, a time keeper, an arranger, and so much more than a drummer when it came to making music, but Moon was off the rails excellent, and completely untouchable from '68 - '73. But if you compiled the best live 2 hours of Moon with the best live 2 hours of Baker, Moon is a step or two ahead. What Baker brought to music composition, Moon brought to live performance.
  • LoveJerry
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    I am asking "us" because "us" are the folks who frequently say Keith's playing declined without a lick of evidence to substantiate that assertion. Forget what you've read on Wikipedia or wherever, since it's not exactly a well documented topic, and listen to the music - where is it? Did Phil really say that? If he said it, is it true? In a court of law it's nothing more than hearsay. Give me a song or just recognize that every time someone comments that his playing declined is probably going off the Wiki quote or the comment from Blair Jackson's book (thanks for sharing, never saw it before), but a couple of off-handed subjective remarks do not make it true, and they don't hold up to scrutiny, which is my main point. People are regurgitating hearsay that does not hold up to scrutiny - no wonder politicians lie so much - it's so easy to pass lies off as truth to the masses. It's actually kind of scary. It would be interesting to scan this site for the past several months to see how often this unsubstantiated rubbish was repeated. I kind of feel bad for Donna. And the reason I didn't bring up anything like drug use or marital problems is because it has nothing to do with my argument, which is simply that his playing did not suffer on the stage, and I have the tapes to prove it :-) Or maybe I don't - I am willing to admit I was wrong or uninformed, which is why I posted in the first place - to find out if anyone can point to a performance where his playing was off. Keithfan mentioned Keith Moon - at least when his playing was said to have declined before his death, you can hear it in recordings (Kilburn 1977, Who Are You). That I believe, because it's well documented and easy to hear.
  • KeithFan2112
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    Of course I agree with LoveJerry - not because I'm a Keith fan, but because it's true - there is really very little primary source evidence that Keith's playing deteriorated. Wikipedia? Even if Phil said it, ex-bandmates deride each other all of the time, it's the single most predictable type of slander they throw at one another. I'm sure he nodded off at the wheel a few times, but that's hardly a deterioration in skills. Not that it's a good thing. But I get LoveJerry's sentiment, which I might also add was not an argument about the reasons he left the band so much as a defense of his playing. So while yeah, some folks have pointed out that there was drug use and whatever, the main point is that folks comment about Keith's deterioration of skill on here all the time, presumably because they read a Wiki quote or Blair Jackson comment - yet the evidence, the music betrays the notion that there was anything substandard in his playing. If I'm reading her post accurately she's just asking someone to point out which songs/shows/period demonstrates this decreased ability to play, and indignant (correct me if I'm wrong JerryLover) that when the topic of his departure comes up, everyone always says he couldn't play, he couldn't play, he couldn't play. I have, myself tried to substantiate that claim that he could no longer play, but just can't find it. The proof should be in the pudding, but it's not. Long live Keith. Both of them - Keith Moon drummed circles around Ginger - he just colored out of the lines a lot.
  • JimInMD
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    Why ask us? We didn't kick him out of the band. There's a few factors you are not bringing up besides his playing. I don't think any of us question he was a brilliant piano player loaded with talent. But.. First there was his escalating drug use. By late '78 Keith had a heroin addiction (and for that matter so did Jerry). Towards the end of Shakedown Street, Keith couldn't even be found to finish the keyboard tracks on some of the unfinished songs, so John Kahn of all people filled in and did them. In Rock Skully's book, Rock states Keith was rumored to have stolen Jerry's stash once, which really pissed off Jerry. Shortly after that, Keith wasn't part of the JGB. Can't ask any of them if its true because they've all passed by now.. but I don't think there's much doubt about their drug use and drug of choice in these years. There was also the relationship trauma. There were regular fireworks between Keith and Donna on a regular basis. Violent fights, trashed hotels, smash up derby's in the parking lots, ...drama.. tension.. yuk. And then there was his playing. I think his playing had diminished or at the very least was not consistent by late '78, early '79 and, well, the sad truth is.. you can't get rid of Jerry and I'm not sure if having two junkies in the band was something they wanted or could continue with. Keith and Donna wanted to leave too. I think she left a few shows early in one of the last tours because she couldn't take it either. Remember, they were trying to raise small kids at the time. So its well documented that the parting was mutual. I'm not sure what is to be accomplished by going down that rabbit hole. They left and they got a new piano player. We weren't there, but I imagine if we were and if we were privy to all the facts and details.. well, my guess is one way or another, that darkness had to give. One Edit: I read cousins reply (which was classic). Yes, amateur slide guitar hour. aaaack! Love ya Bobby... but on this one, I agree with my cousin. He supposedly started playing more slide to get the sounds he (they) wanted they keys. ..and yes, Donna in particular was drinking a lot, but Keith was chasing the dragon.
  • JimInMD
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    I agree with your post. I think most people's minds on this are 'set like concrete'. The back and forth is usually non-productive, and I can't say I learn a ton from it.. especially when the posts come with barbs or put down another's tastes or preferences. I actually don't see the debate, I like the Keith years.. but spring '79 was their last hurrah, and enter the '80's and they got a new keyboard player. It is what it is. I am thankful someone pressed "record" on the tape deck, sit back and enjoy (or press skip if there's out there that doesn't tickle your pleasure bone).
  • mbarilla
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    Check out JGB live shows from 1978
    Some great stops along the way from Keith in 1978. And another vote for Red Rocks July 7-8, 1978. Tennesse Jed ; Passenger ; Peggy-O ; The Music Never Stopped Killer four piece combo to end first night 1st set
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Text

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....Two From The Vault is from the 8.24 gig. One of the best sounding releases they ever put out imo. The Death Don't is to die for (pun intended?). Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. The Scarlet and Music to end the first set at Cobo is simply stunning....I replayed those two tracks in fact....Some hiss in Bertha to begin the set, but it disappears mid-song. Sounds Grate....right Dave? I sense we are both checking out this selection at relatively the same time?....
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The issue is confused because they came out with two versions of this release. Originally it was only 2 discs from 8/24/68. However the newer 3 disc version released in 2007 contains a third disc of three tracks all from 8/23/68. I believe it discusses this on the packaging of the newer release, and is mentioned on Wikipedia article about this release. Edit: deaddisc.com also mentions this in their entry for this release.
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The Vault copies of the two from the Vault 1968 are much like the 67 show in the box in that over the decades the boxes and the reels are no longer guaranteed to be the date as listed. If you listen to the 1968 shows in question, they are different, but whether the first night tape ended up in the 2nd night box over the years, no one knows for sure anymore.For years the identity of 10/12 & 13/68 were doubted because of identical setlists, but they are 2 different shows. This would be the shows without Pigpen, when he was "fired" according to some memoirs, but with out Pigpen to mix things up the band played the same Dark Star sequence both nights.
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....I have the original release. Liner notes says they recorded both nights. Dead Base ironed that out....still sounds perfect. Could have been recorded yesterday!....
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My copy of this release, the original version, does indicate that both dates contributed songs to the release.HOWEVER Deaddisc.com had this to say: "... There was some confusion on the original release of this set as to the date of the recordings. Initially the music was thought to be from both August 23 and August 24 1968. It has since been determined though that the music on Two From The Vault is all from August 24, 1968. The additional tracks added as a third disc for the expanded edition are from August 23rd, 1968 ... (and were) ... previously been released on: The Golden Road (1965-1973), Grateful Dead, 2001 Athem Of The Sun, Grateful Dead, 2003 (expanded edition)
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Happy to know that now - I can update accordingly - I've been thinking of trying to do a 30 Trips style compilation with the 5 available 30 Days Of Dead. I may even put the 'Dark Star' from the 2/14/70 early show (30DOD 2011) to start the DP4 2/14 late show since there's no "Dark Star' in the set list. I already incorporated the 'Bear's Choice' material were applicable so why not go for broke?
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I heard some October 68' last week on Sirius.. Not much info about Date or Venue provided by Dave, he mentions it's labeled "October 1968". I am almost convinced it is the show performed on October 11, 1968 at the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco. Dark Star -> St. Stephen -> The Eleven -> Death Don't Have No Mercy Fast forward to October 11, 1983 Madison Square Garden in New York City, St. Stephen would reappear in the song selection after a 4 year no show in setlists.. And 15 years to the day from the Labeled "October 1968" tape. DaveStrang - Dark Star - 1.2.70. Check it out. One of the finest pieces/sequences I have heard played from any of the GD platforms in 2015. And when is 12.31.69 getting the treatment ??
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....of the Cobo Good Lovin', the boyz drop into that ethereal pool of the '76 sound. Stops at 7:30....shame. Three minutes of bliss. Comes A Time then breaks the water with a cascade of emotion....man o man....THAT's what I'm talkin' 'bout....
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....I have Cobo spinning "relatively" loud. Not Fade Away is grooving. He comes back down the hallway bopping away. I say, "Feels good huh?". "What does?" he says. "That!" as I point to the stereo. He ponders, then responds with, "Their name sounds like a cult, but they do play pretty good music.".... ....I raised him well.... ....edit. Strong China Cat theme going on at the 10:15 mark of NFA. This show impresses....
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Being as they were just starting up the ''tour machine" again I think the set lists were some of the most varied they ever performed being as they were testing /trying out different combinations of songs. I'd like to think the dearth of '76 releases is for a potential (maybe 2016?) box set. I've noticed many shows on Archive.org have soundboards that TPTB say are missing. Am I missing something here?
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There are many shows, and the missing Betty's are but one example, where copies had/have been made of tapes that subsequently went missing - actually in the case of many of missing Betty's, they were recorded to DAT after being tracked down, but where the master reels were and in many cases still are missing from the vault. It appears they are loathe to release shows where they do not have the actual master reels in the vault. One possible reason for this is that they hope to get/find them again some day, and it would be a shame if they had already been commercially released in sound quality below what would have been possible with the actual master reel to reels. So, there ARE shows where soundboards exist and are available on the Archive, but where the original master reels are not in the Dead's Vault.
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I too would like to hear more releases from 1976. This was a very important and pivotal year for the Dead, and I agree that there was much experimentation, listening, and truly unique improvisational playing from the band that went on during this year.
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One story I have heard is that the "owner" of these tapes, wants too much compensation for the return to the vault of these tapes. In my opinion this "owner" really does not own the music contained on these tapes nor the tapes nor the reels or boxes. I think the "owner" was ripped off by the auctioneering firm.But I really don't know the real or "reel" story behind some of these missing Betty boards.
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The prospect that we may NEVER hear this music because of lost/unreturned reels is very sad indeed. How does everyone else feel about this? Wait for possibly never returned/found reels or use the soundboards?
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This is a strong show, for 1995, some Norman magic on the SBD and this would be a good choice for the next 30 Trips set. https://archive.org/details/gd95-06-21.naks.5971.sbeok.shnf It's an aud, but you get a good idea of the show. On the Betty boards you can stream them on LMA, they are not lost, in fact they are traded freely. You just aren't looking in the right places to find them.
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Well Donovan was one of the first psychedelic artists, with many innovations in lyrics and music. He did make a trip to California in early 66 and saw Jefferson Airplane before they had Grace, so he may have also seen the Dead play. Though I'm pretty sure he never took the stage or jammed with them ever. Donovan was a psychedelic freak back in 65 and by 67 had given up most drugs and urged others to do so, in favor of meditation. Really enjoy his music and the one show I was lucky enough to attend in Eugene OR. That mountain jam in Alligator is pure joy, I had listened to Donovan for a few years before the Dead and was blown away when I put on Anthem for the first time just as many probably were, besides the fact that the whole album is a masterpiece that reference just made/makes me happy.
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Living in NYC I need great headphones to make sure I hear the music over the traffic. My choice is the PSB M4U 2 headphones which sound amazing and have an awesome noise cancellation option. The company is also really great in terms of customer service. I also have PSB speakers on one of my high-end stereos which is what lead me to their headphones. Another strong contender for me would be the oppo PM-2 Planar Magnetic headphones. Strongly recommend you check these two out before making a buying decision.
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....ya know, I heard the Nazi's built a base on the dark side of the moon....just saying....
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For 80-100$ the Sony MDRV6 headphones are great cans for the money.
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Right back at you my friend.. if I am ever in the North of Spain, I might just look you up. Love Spain!
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Forgetting about the Betty's for a minute, many shows have tapes that are lost or missing that have sbds on the LMA. For a long time there was very little monitoring of who took what from the vault. Many of these shows were recorded by Dick and or others and leaked to friends, etc. and copied (and who knows how well they were copied?), so in fact these original reels ARE lost and/or missing even though you may find sbds looking in the "right places" as you put it. As I said, it seems they are hesitant to produce official commercial releases from COPIES of the original master reels (assuming they even have access to the first gen copies, and not copies of the copies, etc.) because they have know way of knowing how much better the actual original reels are until they get them back, which has happened with quite a few reels. I don't know what you mean when said "On the Betty boards you can stream them on LMA, they are not lost, in fact they are traded freely. You just aren't looking in the right places to find them.". His whole question was based on the fact that he KNOWS there are sbds available, and was wondering how it's possible that the tapes can still be missing from the vault (so they can be used to produce commercial releases) since those sbds circulate. The assumption being made that leads to that seemingly illogical conclusion is assuming that if a sbd circulates then the original tape must be in the vault - that's an incorrect assumption.
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My point was just because they have not been officially released they are easy to hear for free. They do exist in very good quality, just not in the hands of Rhino to make selections from for release on their slow schedule. Now the end of 5/16/81 that is a "missing reel".
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Would you as a paying customer be willing to pay for VERY GOOD/EXCELLENT sounding soundboard releases vs. never hearing a given show because of missing/lost master reels? How about it everyone? A thought that occurs to me is that any reels missing from the late 60's to early 70's could be deteriorated to the point of being unusable anyway. Whaddaya think?
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I think the term missing reels is being used for more than one type of problem. There are missing reels/tapes because of damage or accidents. they don't exist for us to hear. Then there are tapes missing from the Vault, these are the ones that have through various ways made it into circulation. They do exist, are only missing from the Vault, but are available in wider circulation than any Dave's Picks or limited edition box. The cat is out of the bag for many shows, for rhino to release a tape from circulation in similar quality would require them becoming like ABB and not allowing digital trading/sharing of anything but audience tapes. It's been tried already, it didn't work out well, but did lead to the stream only policy on LMA.
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Yes I would. I believe that with modern technology there is a lot that can be done even with copies to make them sound as great as possible, and I wish they would do this in many cases. It appears that they don't generally agree. About the 5/16/81 missing reel, since all copies seem to be missing the end, I would guess that there was never actually a reel that went missing, but rather that portion of the show was never recorded for some reason - equipment failure, someone never flipped/changed tape, or whatever - somehow never got recorded at the board. Edit: I just saw Kayak's post, and I respectfully disagree with his conclusion. Although Dave and co., have reveled at times providing shows that don't widely circulate, they have chosen many (between dicks, road trips and daves and boxes) shows that they know are in wide circulation as excellent soundboards. That has not deterred them at all. Most of the released 77 shows, spring and fall, circulated widely as great soundboards, for example. Dicks 29, dicks 10, dicks 15, daves 12, dicks 34, etc. Same goes for the Veneta 72 show and many others.
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This is my 3rd spin today - I think it'll wind up being in my top 5. The 'Scarlet' and 'TMNS' are as good as it gets. Even 'Looks Like Rain' is excellent. Onto '77 next. I'm trying to get in as much as possible since I leave for surgery tomorrow (followed by phys. rehab). So no music for while.
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Once something comes out officially it is retired from LMA and becomes harder to get. Some BT sites will not allow torrents of released dates and usually the official release is an upgrade.I welcome them to upgrade my entire collection. Much of what circulates is in fact in the Vault, they are Latvala's copies of the shows they can be identified as they usually have a reel or cassette gen in the lineage before the DAT. When Eaton would let stuff slip out it would have an extra cassette in the lineage.
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Ever since they changed to the stream only policy, all boards on the LMA are basically retired. So now, there is no change (in almost every case) to what's available on the archive once a show is officially released. It was stream only before release, and remains stream only after release. There have been only a very very few instances where the streams have been cut off.
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Has anyone else had issues with the 74 show's audio on disk 2? Peggie-O and big river has next to no vocal audio, all else sounds great but you can barely hear the vocal track on these songs. Is this a flaw in the recording or is my disc defective? thanks. John
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The flaw is in the recording, although I don't have in Peggy-o, but i do in loose Lucy and big river. Are you sure you have the in Peggy-o. I'm any case, it wouldn't a problem with the cd. It's in the recording.
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Sorry, you are correct it is Loose Lucy. Thanks for the reply, I assumed it was recording but just wanted to be sure. Kind of a bummer, great pick up until the issue sucked the life out it for me. On disk three now and its great.
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....perhaps the same place? Only a two hour drive from here. Might get shot though....Go Cubs!!! ...seriously, Cobo rocks....in that slow, decisive, progressive '76 way. I love this year....
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I got as far as '71, then gave in to my primal '77 needs. Justified by the fact it will be another week before I can listen loudly at home and enjoy refreshments.
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DavidStrang mentioned Dark Star 2/14/70 early show. That 2/14/70 early show is fabulous, a compact but powerful hour and twenty minutes or so, marred in the circulating soundboard by several minutes missing at the end of St. Stephen/beginning of The Eleven. But otherwise a dynamite, coherent and organic performance. Total synchrony between everyone in the band, with Lesh and Garcia trading off and combining the lead, Weir filling the spaces throughout, percussion driving the whole. To give that hour and twenty minutes some context, the Dead were top billed, opening acts were the Allman Bros. Band and Love. Shortly before the Dead came on stage, Love completed their set with a song including an extended, memorable drum solo, complete with tape loop effects that floored the audience. There was a brief intermission to set up the Dead, opening with a fine Cold Rain & Snow, but recall the audience was coming off a total psychedelic melt down set by Love and the audience was positive but NY style not very impressed. However ... at the opening notes of Dark Star, silence fell in the orchestra and we were away on a very unusual trip, including yours truly, then fourteen years old attending the early show to meet a parental curfew, having no knowledge of the Dead, other than a brief mention in the musical "Hair" ("out of bread, like the Grateful Dead"). I went because I wanted to know why "the Grateful Dead" were "out of bread" and why they merited mention in popular musical. I didn't learn why they were out of bread, but I sure did understand why they merited mention.
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wow.. Dicks Picks 4. At worst, perhaps the second or third to best released. Tell me why, again, they were not released as whole shows?
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....that, when I listen to these shows, I recall having most of these on tape, and played them many years ago. Certain runs and themes sound very familiar....takes be back to circa '88-'92, when I was doing some serious taping. Had more hair then too....
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I won't say it's my favorite Scarlet > Fire... but maybe one of my favorite Fires. Such a gentle come down at the end of it.
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Just put on DP 14 (late show 2/14 and mixed 2/13), switching from the early show from (old) archive. The announcer that night was John Zacherle. If you grew up in NYC, Zacherle was a wildly popular FM radio DJ & local TV personality. He was a local star. Even for a kid as I was, the scene was intense. The sound system worked differently from the later Dead. All vocals and just a little of the rest went through the PA, the guitars drums bass were coming off the stage, and from the orchestra, 100% of the instruments came from the stage with vocals "mono" from the PA. Talk about soundstage! The lighting was operated by a bunch of high school drop outs (I know, because I scored fourth row orchestra via a friend whose drop out brother managed the spots). Not to mention the smoke etc. wafting through the air. I'm surprised that Bear managed to record everything that was released. But you are absolutely correct. There is more, DP4 has but a portion. After all, I have a 44.1/16 kHz of 2/14 early, obviously more exists that is not on DP4. The entire two days should be released. Bear made an exquisite recording. He must have set up one mix to record, and one for the house, and recording to stereo open reel. Incredible. DP4 notes by Bear say he used Scotch 207 tape, those were 1800 foot reels meaning a flip every 45 minutes. Extremely fine back coated tape, unless water damaged, should still be good. They could just do fade in/out to accommodate the flips. edit - by the way, go back to 2/14 early, the Eleven, about 2/3 through, Garcia does a duet with the percussion, Lesh comes in, then Weir, and they hit the Eleven theme with that syncopation from Kreutzman/Hart that I never hear elsewhere - but there I hear the seeds of Terrapin, just for a couple of minutes. Anyone else?
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To the best of my knowledge, John Zacherley is still alive and kickin. What a character, good catch man.. what a character. He's not to far away from being a hundred years old by now. Perhaps he is a vampire or something. "The Grateful Goddamn Dead"
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I just checked, Zacherle is 97 and he still doing public appearances. I used to listen to him on WNEW-FM NYC way back when radio stations actually had personalities and style. Maybe he is a vampire, he certainly seemed to believe that to be the case. Zacherle used to play GD songs from soundboards and aud recordings from time to time during his evening show on the radio. He also played a lot of other music to open up the minds of his listeners. He was on until maybe midnight, then came Allison Steele, who presented other ideas. It was a great radio station with a lot of talented people involved (Scot Muni, Pete Fornatale, Dave Herman, Jonathan Schwartz). It was a time of mind expanding, creativity on the radio waves. Nothing I've heard like it these days. Radio seems to be on rigid themes these days (classical,hip-hop, jazz, "classic" rock, GD 24/7, Elvis 24/7 etc. never the twain shall meet). Sad. PS DP4 takes all the songs out of order and great as it is, messes up the energy. Dark Star on CD1 is from the early 2/14, should lead into St. Stephen, not Cryptical. It sounds good but loses the energy intent going on at the time. I'm probably not the first person to criticize the various producers for fooling around like this, but here it is especially annoying because it is the opposite of what the Dead actually did. Should have left it original and faded where the tape ran out.
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One of the reasons I am a full show guy. The word travesty comes to mind.. but perhaps its a bit overused on this forum. Still, I cannot think of a better word. I would buy the complete shows in a NY minute. I wholeheartedly agree. Edit: Love the info on WNEW. I did not know that..
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Whats really impressive in all of this is that.. he was almost 50 years old when the GD formed.. and yet some years later he played soundboard and audience tapes on his radio program in NYC? Think about that for a minute.. my parents (younger and hipper) were not nearly so young nor hip. In my opinion, pretty bold for the times.
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Your word, travesty, is exactly correct. One of the great aspects of a Grateful Dead concert is the coherent movement of the music, it doesn't matter 1970, 1980, 1990, that is always present. Garcia was strongly aware of rhythmic movement, clear if you listen to some of his late interviews. Going from Dark Star to Cryptical, when the Dead actually went to St. Stephen is a distortion. After the intro bridge, St. Stephen has a forward impulse, a triumphant musical gesture. Cryptical is the opposite, it moves back in time, with sustained tension, only releasing with the percussion bridge. A Grateful Dead concert, at its best, was like a symphony. They challenge the listener. Changing the song order is wrong, even if there are technical flaws in the recording. I remember being frustrated about a year after the Fillmore show, 2/18/71, many new songs, material moved around, but I also remember at the very end when the lights came on the feeling that I had just experienced a dramatic creative energy, and a forward movement in musical thinking. In my opinion the problem is the focus on individual songs (like, wow that was the best Shakedown ever!), rather than on the whole that each concert provides, warts and all. Sometimes the Dead put on a fully coherent concert, like a symphony, and sometimes they couldn't pull the whole thing together. But that determination must vary with the listener, and their concerts should always be released in toto, without edits. Let the listener decide, not some after the fact producer who thinks he/she knows better. In my not-so-humble opinion, and why I am so much looking forward to my USB 30 Trips, I suppose sometime in November.
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Fortunately, you did not make a mistake and you did well included the show of 5/4/72 in your list. Otherwise I would have been furious and I would have cursed at least you until the release of the next Dave's Picks!
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I agree with MaryE and Mr.Dc that Donovan probably never played with the Dead. As to whether the Dead ever saw Donovan play, that is another matter, but it seems unlikely that they saw him before his release of "There is a mountain" in July '67. The Dead's first visit to England was in May '70 when they played the Hollywood Festival. Mr.Dc asserts that Donovan visited California in early '66. That may well be so, but I was not aware of that. However, he does mention Jefferson Airplane in his song "The Fat Angel" so it is quite possible that he saw the Airplane in early '66. What I do know is that he recorded in LA in late '66 and early '67 but if he and the Dead met or saw each other play at that time I do not know. The Dead and Donovan (a stalwart of the '70s festival scene in England) both played the Bickershaw Festival (Europe '72) but Donovan played on the Saturday and the Dead played on the Sunday. Whether either braved the mud and cold to watch the other perform is also an unknown. I was lucky enough to see 'em both.
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Where's my Lightning Bolt? Where's my $700 Lightning Bolt? Where's ANYONE's $700 Lightning Bolt? My patience is growing thin and my mood is rapidly souring. Where's my Lightning Bolt?!?!?
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I didn't order one, I'm still stuck in the antiquated CD system, but I have a "hunch" that the bolt just may ship out sometime in the week of October 26th, a Monday. It probably won't sell out before the mass shipping date, whenever that will be.One of the advantages of the USB will be the playing order of 11/14/73 San Diego Sports Arena show, the time restrictions of the CD will not be in place, so one can enjoy the whole show in correct playing order.
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