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i believe it has more p's and a number of l's, and i never said that you said what you said IF you said so...........HA! and yes, if you must know, i AM a nut and, occasionaly, a freak, not by de fact tho, i just are (arr!)

It was Hunter that suggested they not use a gun photo, and the album was Beauty (the conviction Hunter mentions is non-violence): "Sometimes, adds Hunter, it was difficult to hold on to that conviction. "When American Beauty came out," he says, "there was a photograph due to go on the back which showed the band with pistols. They were getting into guns at the time, going over to Mickey's ranch, target shooting. It wasn't anything revolutionary; they were just enjoying shooting pistols. For example, we got a gold record and went and shot it up. "I saw that photo and that was one of the few times that I ever really asserted myself with the band and said, 'No -- no picture of a band with guns on the back cover.' These were incendiary and revolutionary times, and I did not want this band to be making that statement. I wanted us to counter the rising violence of that time. I knew that we had a tool to do it, and we just didn't dare go the other way. Us and the Airplane: We could have been the final match that lit the fuse, and we went real consciously the other way." " It is an excerpt from the book Stories Done: Writings on the 1960s and Its Discontents By Mikal Gilmore I was just scanning articles, not really reading (at least I got the gold record thing right). I'll stop now. Bye! ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************

Change that BMW to a Mercedes. Thanks. ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************

I never said owning a gun made one a nut or a freak (and the Nuge has called himself a "gun nut"). I did say that that Popper was a "gun freak", and I think (a) having a car full of secret compartments with four rifles and nine handguns is pretty freaky, and (b) Popper would probably agree with me. Next time I see him, I'll ask him. In a brightly lit place so he won't have to wear the night-vision goggles! The more I think about it, I'm sure I read at the time of the bust Garcia had a gun in the car when he got busted (and I remember being impressed with what kind of gun it was), and I seem to remember the car being a BMW. I never said the gun wasn't registered, I was just surprised that somebody with the reputation of being one of the Founding Fathers of peace-loving hippie-folk had a gun, and I remember being amused that he drove a Beamer like a yuppie. That whole "twenty something bags of coke and heroin" thing I just took for granted (and as an aside: gun or not, you all have to admit he got off incredibly light - rehab and a charity show. If he'd have been an unfamous black guy in Watts he would have been charged with big-ass felony distribution and just be getting out of prison about now). Earlier tonight as I was trying to find an article that said what kind of gun it was I read a piece of an interview with Garcia that mentioned a time when all the guys (Pigpen was still alive) were getting into going out in the country and shooting guns. Shot up a gold record, according to the article. Apparently some of them wanted to have a photo on the back of some album with all of them posed with their firearms; Jerry was against this as he felt it sent the wrong message. I don't remember the exact location of the article, but if you google "jerry garcia golden gate park arrest gun" it should be on the first page of hits. Sorry if I offended any gun owners, but if you're reading this you are de facto a freak anyway so spbspbspbspb (that was a raspberry, I forget how one's spelled) :^) Cheers, MarkintheDark ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************

Jan. 18, 1985 Garcia got busted in GG Park with h and coke in his car, while he was freebasing. I am not sure and never heard if he had a gun in the car or not, but if he did, I reckon the gun was legal. or for some reason he wasn't charged with it.... peace.

owning firearms does not make you a " nut " or a " freak ". however, i do know some nuts and freaks that own guns. then i also know alot of nuts and freaks that listen to the grateful dead.

I mean, you look at Ted Nugent and "gun nut" comes naturally to mind, but Popper, not so much. And he wasn't just carrying a gun, he had an *arsenal*. Night vision goggles? WTF. Personal protection is one thing, I'm all about that, but night vision goggles are for soldiers and assassins - I don't think they're legal for hunting, and the article I read didn't even mention hunting. It would be interesting to find out just what kinda guns they were - hell, nine pistols that's like "one of each kind there is". When I read it that scene of the Terminator in the gun store came to mind. I seem to remember when Garcia got busted in Golden Gate Park he was carrying some kinda gun, and being surprised about it. Then again, given the drugs he was doing and the quantities it's not really surprising. I think Popper just likes to smoke a little week and then shoot shit. Cheers, TigerLilly, hope things are going well over there across the Big Water MarkintheDark ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************

Popper on harp is absolutely mind-blowing, or for me anyhow. His control and timing and rhythm-oof! Whole band is pretty tight actually. Gun freak thing sounds nasty to me, but somehow not such a suprise to read. ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens

Popper had a heart attack and ended up getting gastric bypass surgery. He's a gun freak. His wikipedia article says when he got pulled over for speeding in 2007 and the cops found a small amount of weed and a pipe they also found "The vehicle had a stash of hidden compartments which contained four rifles, nine handguns, a switchblade knife, a Taser, a set of brass knuckles, and night vision goggles". He didn't get charged for any of the weapons, they were all registered and locked away (and I assume unloaded), but the cops kept the knucks and the switchblade since they are illegal. He'll carry a gun where it's legal, even on stage. Let that be a lesson to ya: don't rush the stage, he'll pop a cap in yo' ass, or light ya up with that Taser! ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************

am quite sure! John Popper-kick ass harp player who used to be heavy, but slimmed down considerably it seems, when caught em at Lollapalooza in hmmm 2006??? Guess is all up to perspective what we consider to be "blast from the past", as was heavily into Blues Traveller at LEAST 10 years ago. Perhaps mine just so fast moving, that that seems like ages??? :-) "Once upon a midnight weary, I woke with something in my head"---see not confused, especially as I have no clue who Bluesbreakers are. ???¿¿¿!!!¡¡¡ ********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens