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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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    Moses GuestLive Stages Get some...it's good. :) ...Over The Car->Under The Stairs...
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    Somebody on the other thread, I forget who, brought up a point about the secondary market, which was basically that Rhino depends on it to ensure they sell x number of copies of each release in a very short amount of time. This guy who wrote the article worked for a record company or something, I wish I could find the post. But it totally makes sense. Basically, Rhino needs to sellout each release in 3 or 4 weeks to not only be profitable, but to extend the life of the series. By making it limited edition, they sellout immediately and actually rely on the secondary market to be there and buy out what the individuals don't buy. It amounts to free distribution for Rhino. They sell off their 16,500 Dave's Picks in a week, and never pay a dime in distribution costs. For Rhino this means more dollars per unit and less units sold to make both make a profit and re-invest in the next release (and making the next profit). So I get it. Rhino is a very unique position, in that they have a rare product with seemingly no end, and this thing called the internet. And in fact, these very message boards are a major source of advertisement. I'm just happy I'm ahead of the curve now. I spent a lot on eBay back-filling my Dead collection. What I would be interested in, is the legalities involved in re-issuing a product that they originally sold as a limited quantity item. Even if legal, I doubt they would do it, out of fear of ruining their current, buy it now, while it's hot sales model, which is undoubtedly working. One thing I feel confident in, is that if Rhino felt that re-releasing FW 69 Complete would be profitable in the long run, they would do it (and perhaps they will). But I imagine it's a tricky balance, as Morning Sun said - never underestimate the turmoil of breaking a promise to the original people who bought it (of whom I am not one - fucker cost me 400 bucks). Plus I'm sure they all have a dozen copies of all of them that they're saving for 10 years from now when they're going for a grand on eBay ;-)
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    Not sure what the exact wording was when they first released it, but some of the music included in the set has been available on the 3 disc compilation.Rhino could produce a set with all 4 FW 69 shows, add 2-11-69 Fillmore East release, change the name and add a disclaimer that would say something like "portions of this set was previously released as Ltd Edition FW box set, etc." Lots of "limited Edition only", and "promo only" music has been re-released that way.
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    if they want to re-release they would definetely need a new mix. I dont think packaging much to do with it
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    FWIW, let me echo SpaceBro's (and others) sentiment: I own FW'69, and enjoy it immensely.By all means, re-release it, so that more people can enjoy it. I do not mind scalping, or a secondary market. In general, I don't mind limited editions, bonus discs with first runs etc; companies can run their business as they see fit. But I'm a capitalist through and through: if more people want it, and Rhino can make more money, by all means let's do it. I know that the secondary market, at least in this particular case, exists bcause Rhino said that FW'69 would never be released (in any form?) again. Some people would feel cheated if, after paying a lot (NOT to Rhino though), it was re-released. But surely most Deadheads would want other Deadheads to be able to acquire this set, and there should be some way around it (cheaper packaging or whatever) to get past this?
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    Yes, reissue it as a limited edition of 16,000.$130 each + shipping and sales taxes where applicable. For that $130 you'll get the four shows - 2/27, 2/28, 3/1 & 3/2/1969 in 4 tye-dyed design artwork, thin cardboard type sleeves with a simple booklet with only the song titles, the track times, the songwriters credits and publishers credits with two or three photos, WITHOUT AN ESSAY, all enclosed in a lightweight cardboard case with artwork similar to the original 2005 issue.
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    glad to hear the 69 shrine vinyl release sounds so good. i plan on picking one up soon. as for the 69 box, and other limited releases, i think rhino needs to view their 'investment' in the grateful dead as being holders of something culturally significant. limited edition stuff should be just the initial physical product, but everything should be available via download. as i've said before, they should act like smithsonian/folkways, where nothing they have ever released goes out of print. you can't go to their site and order an original woody guthrie or leadbelly record, those have been out of print forever, but you can download it or order a custom burned cd. there is nothing you can not order. i believe rhino is just waiting for the last 150 usb's to sell, then they will offer all 30 shows via download. as for the 69box, i don't remember their wording, but a physical product probably can't, or shouldn't, be re-released that way, but all 4 shows should be put out via download, if the suits think they can legally do it. if not, lesson learned....
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    Dennis Wilmot, feel free to ramble on, you made some good points in a funny way. it sounds like I may have been one of the same two people seated next to you at shows;)For my two cents, I have the 30 trips box and it wouldn't bother me a bit if they made another production run in the future, with or without all the extras. I didn't buy it as an investment, I purchased it because I wanted to have the music and after missing out on FW69 I knew I would regret not having it more than I would regret spending the money. At some point I would like to pick up FW69, but there is a limit to what I can pay and feel OK about the purchase. I understand that the limited edition model is probably what makes the ongoing releases possible to this extent, so it is what it is, but it seems that they could set it up so that it would be possible to reissue things after some period of time. As far as copying limited edition releases, I guess the band makes their money when the original sale occurs and are unaffected by any subsequent transactions, so there's that.
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    Re-releases, Limited Editions, illegal copies, ebay prices
    I throw my 2 cents into this, I agree with those that say a release of limited edition stuff as maybe a digital download is just fine with me. As always if price is the limiting factor I can not believe you can't find someone to make you a copy. Some say "oh that's illegal", sounds like corporate lawyer talk to me. I agree you shouldn't be knocking out 1,000 copies of something and selling them at the local flea market, but to slip a buddy a copy, fuck no. I remember when people didn't even think twice about making a cassette copy for a friend. Of course the "industry" hated that, they even tried to get a "tax" on blank tapes to cover the "losses" they were suffering. What hogwash! The record companies seem to be doing fine! Ebay prices will disappear or come down if people stop buying them, just like tickets for sporting events (which sports fan seem to believe are way out of whack). Remember when FM first took off and stations would play a perfect album side, even told you when to start your tape. I'm sorry if the record industry makes a product that is easy to copy. Why didn't they just keep producing records? You couldn't copy them as easily as cd. Because they wanted to squeeze out the free music of radio, cd's people would buy more of because you could take them in your car. Did the industry ever return money for those shit 8 tracks that they sold? Or even the shit cassettes they sold? Those store bought tapes NEVER lasted long, but a good maxell made at home lasted forever? I still have cassettes I made from 1980 that play just fine. But the few store bought ones I got the cases always warped in the heat.I think I can most assuredly say that if you could shove a new caddy into a port of the computer and have it shit out a new caddy, everyone would have a new caddy and be saying fuck GM. (probably a lot of people already saying that) You don't see anyone making "illegal" copies of books and you could zerox a whole book. I'm surprise the corporate lawyers haven't tried to shut down public libraries, since they allow people to listen, read and view all copyright material without paying any fee to the owner of the copy right material. There was a point when Mickey Mouse was about to enter the public domain and Disney just couldn't let that happen, so they had congressman Sony Bono push thru a revision of the copyright laws that allowed them to keep the copyright. (see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act ) Technically if you owned a bar, you couldn't play cd's you own there without a fee being paid to industry. CD's YOU OWN! Can you imagine if you bought a repair guide for a car you owned and you got a second car of the same make and being told you couldn't use that manual to fix the second car, that the use of the manual was only for the first car. You have that same thing with software you buy, you buy the package but can't use it where ever you want, only once (maybe 3 times for some) Sorry I've rambled a bit, but corporations piss me off. They want risk socialize and profits privatized. They want to be citizens with no one responsible for jail time. Fuck them! Record profits and the world still fights for crumbs. On the illegal front, I get a chuckle out of this. I thought it was illegal to bring "drugs" into shows or buy and sell them. Oh, I forgot nobody who went to dead shows did drugs. Like nobody in England watches Doctor Who. The show has been on for 50 years and nobody admits they watch it! Just like back in the .net days, nobody on net.dead did drugs! I must have always got seated next to the same other 2 people who did :-) Once again sorry for the excessive rambling.
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    I am fully supportive of a re-release of the FW69 box. The whole reason I have the info that I have is that (being the anal retentive completist that I am) I emailed David Lemieux to ask why in the hell the box set hadn't been reissued. Any deadhead that has looked at eBay in the last 5 years can see that this box is in absurdly high demand. I hate the idea of limited releases and find it absurd that they would limit anything. The only thing that does is drive up the price on secondary markets (just look at the 30 trips box on eBay).
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Submitted by wjonjd on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 21:55

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thanks vguy, I just shot some of what I was drinking out my nose.
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:00

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Woot Woot! It's 10:57 here in the northern rockies & the first dusting of snow has arrived!Just a small amount on the buttes & hills that surround town but,it's a start. :)
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:04

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....jrf said butte (sorry, couldn't help it)....
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Submitted by wjonjd on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:11

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Double entendre? I've seen buttes used for this purpose in the movies, but never tried it that way myself.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:14

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....I'm feeling adventurous tonight....someone call a cab! ....right now, my cabs license plate reads FEEDBAK. Awesome '68 offering.
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:16

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Yes I did!;)
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Submitted by rdevil on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:16

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Interesting takes here on Bruce's status. Wasn't he inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame as a member of the Grateful Dead? Not that "the Hall" is the last word on anything. But it seems to me he was as much a member of the group as Tom Hagen was a Corleone. And all this talk of "snow" and "rock" and possibly doing snow off a butte has me thinking '78 is up next.
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Submitted by wjonjd on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:22

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Actually, Bruce was the guy who got to induct them, introducing them at the ceremony.He wasnt inducted. I'm not sure if he's been inducted on his own, though. Now, Robert Hunter was inducted with them, the only lyricist to ever be inducted as a member of the band (not counting members of bands who also wrote lyrics for the band). Thats pretty cool.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:27

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....riding that train. Been down that road. Luckily, I took the correct fork in the road....back to that Berkeley disc. Loved the early Lovelight....keeper.
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Submitted by jrf68@hotmail.com on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:33

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The Jerry solo on Candyman from the Cape Cod Trip really reminds me of Jerry's guitar work via JGB in '89 & 90. '91 too me thinks.Just a thought... starts at 3:32
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Submitted by wjonjd on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 22:35

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The only thing that ever got its tentacles into me in a bad way. Threw it off long ago for good. Still dream about it sometimes though. I can taste it and smell it in my dreams, and even feel the numbness in my gums (from finishing off). Oh yeah, i have cigarette dreams too. They'll do.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 23:04

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....funny that numbness would be something someone would pay for....bad bad stuff. Was fun for a bit, but will grab you by the balls.... Stay kind my friends....
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 04:15

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Thanks for the info, my friend will be happy for the help. I think it's only the PC version that is involved in the transfers so far. So, if ALAC is lossless then the circulating SHN/Flac collection could be transferred to this format for sharing to this ITunes using community? Seems like a lot of work for a single player, but if people do the work to transfer the existing files to ALAC, then maybe they could share their work and build a collection of ALAC versions of the shows for ITunes specific playback. One more question, is there an easy way to to get from FLAC to ALAC without the wav step?
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There is another active thread on dead.net - no!!!! do not go looking for it, i implore of you kind participants, lest you take up thine holy meat cleaver and onst a bloody rampage wouldst thou embark upon - and i would like to commend jrf68 and ststephen71 for their wit and restraint, but most especially Ziffle who wrote out a most honest, reasoned, and patient response to the evidently deceased mascot of a flaky corn based breakfast sugar. Ziffle, i am humbled - nay, i stand slack jawed in awe, filled with fear and trembling - at the display of superhuman self control. Several times i thought of responding myself to this Anthony Of Another Thread, and each time i stopped myself knowing that i had not the strength to write thereupon without my head exploding, surely ending in Anthony's premature demise (although he does claim to have already made the journey of the Styx.) Hats off to ya!!!! :):)
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Yes, exactly. I'm not sure of a tool to go straight from flac to alac. I'm going to look and will edit this post if i find something :) Edit: i just checked and dbPowerAmp will convert directly from flac to Apple Lossless. This program is not free. I think i paid $18 for it, but that was a while ago. They do have a fully functional 21 day trial download. The program comes with several built in formats and they supply downloadable codecs for other formats, but flac and Apple Lossless and several others are built-in, i think. I also have Trader's Little Helper, but this program does not seem to have an option to convert to Apple Lossless, although mybe they have a codec for it - i didnt check and its not built-in. Edit2: i just checked, and dbPowerAmp comes in versions for both Windows and Mac. It is $39 for a single license or $58 for 2-5 installs. The $18 i paid may have been rhe price to upgrade to a newer version, but that was years ago.
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Wait!!! I just checked, and foobar2000, which is free, will convert from Flac to Apple Lossless (alac), or Apple's lossy compressed format (aac), or Apple's version of wav (aiff), but you need to also download their Free Encoder Pack. However, there is no Mac version. To use this to get the files onto a Mac you must do the conversion in Windows, and then transfer the files to a Mac. All the converters I saw that will go from Flac to ALAC directly on the Mac are paid software, but perhaps someone can find a free one.
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Why convert them at all, why not just leave them as a .wav file? The file size is not that much different, right? Wouldn't .wav be the best,,, it is non compressed, right?Will apple play a .wav file?
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People convert to flac because they are about 50% the size of the original wav or aiff file, yet when played decompress bit for bit to the original wav or aiff for playback. "Wouldn't .wav be best,,, it is non compressed, right". It's not best, if by that you mean better than flac. That's the point of lossless compression. They are ultimately identical, with flac taking up half the space. That's the difference between "lossless" compression, which decompresses bit for bit identically to the original, vs "lossy" compression like mp3 and aac, which throw out information forever to get much smaller files, typically only 10-20% of the original size. When they decompress for playback, they are NOT identical to the original wav or aiff that made them. Apple will not play .wav, but it plays .aiff which is basically the same thing, just in an envelope recognized by apple software.
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Submitted by Ziffle on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 06:48

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wjonjd, mac will play WAV just fine. I keep my better quality files as WAV. XLD Lossless Decoder (Mac only) is free (although I donated $10 b/c I've been using it for years). It will perfectly transcode between all lossless formats and will also do sample rate conversions, etc. and is highly customizable. Written by some genius in Japan. Anyway, been great chatting with everyone, but now I'm out of here for a while, although no doubt I'll look in from time to time. Life rears it's ugly head, must focus on work etc.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 06:50

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If I have to convert, I usually leave it was .wav as well. I know its a big waste of disc space.. but...
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 07:14

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Wavs would be fine, except for the space thing, these particular flac files are backups that have already been created and already playable on non apple or Itunes systems. Just to be clear, the entire circulating 30 years of GD in Flac/shn is about 5 TB, it's over 10 TB in wav format, both are lossless, and it seems not easily playable in ITunes. To get from the already lossless flac or SHN files on the HDs to a listenable format requires conversion to an acceptable file type used by the individuals player. Why people use certain systems is personal choice, I'm just trying to find a way of taking what we have on HD and making it more user friendly to people that feel most comfortable in ITunes. My questions are to find a simple way to allow Itunes users to access the goodies that are in circulation, but not supported by the apple ecosystem. It seems like it is an option though time consuming, my idea is that if it's that much of a chore, maybe sharing ALAC files would be a way of avoiding duplication of efforts. I'm thinking of vines specifically made for ITunes users.
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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 07:18

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Does anyone know if it is possible to export a metadata backup file using WMP 12? It doesn't look as though metadata is applied to the WAV files themselves, they only appear in the library in which they were updated. I don't want to lose the information. It took forever to update the info. manually.
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Submitted by wjonjd on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 07:22

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thanks for the clarification. There was a time, long ago, when Mac did not directly support the wav format, and Apple had developed their own equivalent, aiff. But I see that Mac has support wav for a long time now, just as Windows supports aiff. "Though the AIFF file was designed for Macintosh computers, the format can be read by PCs as well, just as wave files can be read by Macintosh computers."
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From Wikipedia:"As a derivative of RIFF, WAV files can be tagged with metadata in the INFO chunk. In addition, WAV files can embed any kind of metadata, including but not limited to Extensible Metadata Platform (XMP) data or ID3 tags[26] in extra chunks. Applications may not handle this extra information or may expect to see it in a particular place. Although the RIFF specification requires that applications ignore chunks they do not recognize, some applications are confused by additional chunks." There is a program called mp3tag (and I'm sure there are others) that allow you to copy some or all of the metadata from one file or group of files to another, and not just for mp3, but flac and others.
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It looks like mp3tag does not support wav. However IDTE-ID3 does. You can see and edit metadata tags for wav files using this software and it is a free download.
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Submitted by wjonjd on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 07:56

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I just realized that you were referring to backing up metadata that is not stored in the files, but in a wmp database. A program called "metadata backup" supposedly does this, but I haven't tested it. It can be found here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/metadatabackup/ Supposedly it has one limitation, which is that wmp lets you populate metadata fields with multiple entries. For instance, you can place both "Rock" and "Classical" into the Genre field in the very same file. Well, the current version of metadatabackup only backs up the first entry for each field, but the person who maintains this software states that he is working on an update to fix this. Edit: Here is a description of this software: "Metadata Backup, originally written by Dale Preston, is a tool for backing up and restoring all the information in the Windows Media Player library, including ratings, play counts, and custom fields." If you don't enter multiple choices into one tag, this won't affect you anyway.
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Submitted by drsox on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 08:07

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@wjonjd Running Windows on a Mac is simple and can be done FREE. Get a free copy of Virtual Box (https://www.virtualbox.org). Install your copy of Windows in Virtual Box. Install foobar2000 in the VM of Windows. Make sure the CD/DVD player is connected correctly (USB). This should then allow the FLAC converter to run fine. (I haven't done this but I run other stuff in an OSX VM using Virtual Box)
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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 16:52

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Thanks for that. I will check into it and report my findings. -update- I have been fooling with the program, and my initial response is positive. Although I have not been able to backup 95% of the album art, everything else has imported into my backup. Eternally grateful. Thanks, wjonjd MVP!!
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Submitted by Dusty.rambler@… on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 08:30

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Try xACT to convert flacs on your Mac. It's free and the icon is a character from where the wild things are.
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Submitted by wjonjd on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 08:38

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Yeah, I use virtual machines quite a bit. They're not quite as quick as the real thing, but it does the job! You can run Mac OSX on a PC, or Windows on a Mac that way.
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Submitted by batzye on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 09:26

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Received the following uninformative response from customer support this morning: Hang tight! Your USB is still coming down the line! We're very sorry we don't have any further information for you at this time but we are working on it and we will get you an update as soon as we can. In the meantime, we hope you are enjoying your streams of the shows available on the order status page. When you do receive your USB, you will find an original Grateful Dead concert ticket and backstage pass included as a token of our appreciation for your unending patience. Many Thanks, The Dead.net Team Wow!!!! - a ticket and a backstage pass as a token of their appreciation.....well worth the wait.....
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 09:58

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Here's how I do it, for anyone who cares. I use xACT on Mac (have to change security preferences to get it to open in El Capitan. I use an old MacBook for torrents). Toast will convert flac but not shn. Buy Toast discounted at OWC. Convert flac or shn to aiff, then put the aiff files into Toast (convert - audio files). I change all the track names so that the data files will be listed chronologically by the computer: GD 1977-05-08 T01 Minglewood, then T02, T03, etc. Then convert/export all the tracks for that show as a disc image (Sd2f file in Toast). I then use the Sd2f disc image to create AIFF, WAV, AAC, and FLAC files. I burn CD-R's from the AIFF files, import the AAC files into iTunes, save the FLAC files for my future in-dash FLAC player in my next car, and give the WAV files to a friend who uses PC. All backed up on multiple hard drives and DVD-R. Because of the chronological way of naming the tracks everything stays in order. I back up commercial release CD's by using iTunes to import as AIFF, then modify in the same way. I use a separate computer and iTunes than where the AAC collection is stored.
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Submitted by purpleerik69 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 10:05

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after sailing a week on heaven`s ocean here`s my list1. 91 2. 71 3. 68 4. 92 5. 74 6. 75 heard all shows twice , really love the 91 set - oh what fun to close my eyes and pretend this is here and now on 74 - the missing vocals on two songs is how it is, pretty cool - so you are there eventually heading on to 81 and 82 tonight...
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Submitted by purpleerik69 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 10:08

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i don`t at all, had a sh...load of b`legs of GD , Furthur and Ratdog once beforethat old computer broke down and all was lost ( that was in the days of vines and burning on the fly , anyone remebers ? )- since that day i do make copies of my CDs and store them for the future - that`s all.
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Submitted by Huskerwing on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 10:42

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Batyze: I got this exact email as well and I didn't inquire about my order. I haven't looked in some time so sorry if this has been discussed way back but it's obvious the CD set has shipped. Is everyone still waiting on the USB or is my order SNAFU? I thought it was shipping in October but hadn't received any word of any kind about it since the streaming was offered some time back.
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Submitted by this bird on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 10:35

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I used to have a tape of the dead doing this song. Back in the mid-eighties there was a tape circulating with two songs at the beginning that were listed as the soundcheck. One of those songs was Salt Lake City, (the other song may have been Big River). When I listened to the '95 selection, the memory of this tape came back pretty clearly. Health, all.
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Submitted by lowspark75 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 10:48

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I was surprised to not get a DaP 2016 announcement this morning. Surely next week then.
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Submitted by outpost on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 11:25

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Hi Huskerwing ..... you're not the only one. I got the same (useless) email. I replied that they should be upfront, and let us know what the problem is, and that they should provide a HQ download link, until the USB ships.One of the reasons I went for the USB, was to get High Def. sound, and a stream just ain't gonna do the trick .... I could listen to any of the countless free downloads if I wanted that. They've taken my $700 (£485) .... I believe I deserve better service.
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Submitted by outpost on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 11:29

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I have XAct, but find XLD converts to ALAC easier.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 11:41

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I don't even have my box yet, nor an email confirming that it has shipped.Just an email confirming that I placed an order on 6-2-15. Order status says back ordered until 10-31-15.
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Submitted by drshakedown74 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 11:46

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The movement of tracks on the 73 show is horrible and kinda pissed me off. Not losing sleep but jeez. "Tracks 6-8 are from the end of the show but are placed here due to CD time limitations"
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Submitted by drshakedown74 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 11:47

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Such a hot show too.
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Submitted by hbob1995 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 12:48

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When I uploaded them to my iTunes I put them in the correct order. They will fit on 3 discs correctly, but Rhino didn't want to break up the jam Rock on
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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 12:50

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Disappointing, in general. No Dead or Jerry release. Just a 2 LP set from Circles Around the Sun, "Interludes for the Dead"
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Submitted by mbarilla on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 13:14

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flip flopped with the show from Dave's 16.. Probably easier to sell the Spring show a la carte.. Since they have less offerings for that month. Both would have sold out in quick time, but I am sure it would have been sour grapes for som people that were wanting complete shows in order. Lump it into the box and few will notice,, haha Rhino pulling strings like usual. RSD - not sure what was the hold up. Busy year ? Last years offerings are still widely available ? Come on Almanac, bring good news ! Dead and Co tour starts soon,, should debut Almanac before tour starts
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Submitted by drshakedown74 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 14:49

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out of order to fit on discs. some of us listen to the cd's and dont care about uploading in correct order the point I made was there should be 4cds
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Submitted by OldeEnglish800 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 15:00

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I haven't listened to the '73 show yet but from reading Dave's notes while ripping it sounds like they did this to keep a long run of songs together. With the time constraints of a CD I'm not sure how else they could have done this without adding another CD and having a couple short CDs. I am excited to rock that disc 3, it looks great! That being said, I'm glad they didn't break up the continuous run of songs and did it this way. My problem with this is I want to reorder them now that they're ripped to my computer but all my music is organized by album>disc # and I don't know how to change this one without my OCD going crazy.
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Submitted by Mr. Jack Straw on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 15:03

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I've finally had a chance to listen to all of the second sets from the Box, as well as most of the first sets. I can't promise I didn't skip through a MAMU or Tennessee Jed.So...IMHO... 1973 has to be the best show from the box. Crazy good from HCS on, and the 2nd set jam sequence is absolutely superb. 1972 has the best Moment in the box with the Dark Star. The '79 Dancin' > Franklin's is a close second. 1967 is the most interesting show in the set, a Dead we've rarely heard and an intensity that is unmatched. I won't try to rank the shows in the set, but I will sort them into thirds. Top Third: 1967, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1979, 1987 Middle Third: 1968, 1971, 1978, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991 Bottom Third: 1966, 1976, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1986, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995 Most surprising show? Absolutely 10/21/83. What a phenomenal second set, and the sound is pleasantly decent. Most disappointing? 10/3/76. There were a lot of advance raves about this show, but I don't hear it. It plods, the sound isn't great, and except for moments in the Scarlet and Playing, I don't find much interesting. 7/31/82 was also disappointing, but more for the sound. I don't think there's a true stinker in the set, but I don't see myself listening to the '76 or '92 shows that much in the future.
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Submitted by saintstephen1971 on Tue, 10/27/2015 - 15:07

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Dude, I feel for you...and all the other fellas with no USB stick BUT there's hope...it may be on its way. Dead.net as an administrative entity is a clusterf**k.....CLASSIC example this morning I get an email from Dead.net telling me we're pleased to advise that my box has shipped and here is a DHL tracking number... WTF I got the box 16 days ago!!!!!! Ain't it crazy indeed....
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