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    Pig - endings

    It's late on a Sunday and that means bed soon, but since my quick reply to TD's inquiry below, I've been further thinking about the tragedy of Pig - and I certainly think of it that way despite the manifest personal responsibility for the consequences of near incessant alcohol abuse from a young age. It's a spiraling decline that seems particularly pathos-laden given the picture of a gentle, genial man that emerges from all the familiar documentary sources.

    I take notes or attempt to catalogue page references by subject from my little library of the Dead, but realize I've done a poor job on this particular subject - and certainly during the general time frame implied by TD's question. So, I wanted to share a couple relevant - and heartbreakingly poignant - passages from Jackson's "Garcia/American Life" that I've revisited since:

    First, McIntire speaking: "I remember one day Garcia coming into my office and saying, 'Look, I'm really worried about Pig. I think his life is in danger, and I want to do whatever we can. The band'll pay for everything. Let's find out if there's anything we can do.' So I researched it and I found out the most famous place in the world for liver problems was Sheila Sherlock's clinic in London. But my doctor, Sandor Bernstein, said there was a guy at UCSF [University of California and San Francisco] who was as good. So we slotted Pig with him. And Pig jumped in and did, too. He stopped drinking and he learned all the things about nutrition that he could. He really tried, but it was too late."

    And second: "[On the tour] he rode on the hard bus, this Danish bus, which was sort of like the crew bus," Annette Flowers said. "It was the quieter of the two buses usually. Pigpen lived on the back bench of that bus. ... I think that trip sort of sunk it for him; put him over. It was really grueling in a lot of ways." "He got knocked off that bench five or six times," Rock Scully recalled. "He rolled off that bench and a couple of times he really hurt himself I could see it; he really hurt his kidneys and bruised himself. I'd have to help him off the bus."

    "He really tried, but it was too late." A short, simple statement, but one that can put fault lines in even a strong foundation. I recall reading that Pig sent Veronica away as his condition became increasingly acute, which, in light of other information, clearly underscores what a lonely and frankly terrifying period those final 12-18 months must have been for that kindhearted soul./K

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    I posted this in the taper forum, but thought this may be the better spot (also, patience is not a virtue of mine). I am sure this exists in written form somewhere, I just can't seem to find it.

    What is the official band policy for trading in shows that have been officially released? Specifically, I am wondering about the ones that were released officially but are out of print. Seems to me that if they are not for sale currently, we would not be costing the band money by trading those shows. In fact, the only folks it would cost are those selling the out of print releases at a profit on the secondary market. Just curious what the official policy is on this considering the volume of official releases these days.

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    Yes. I suspect Pig was resting from his short reunion tour with the band in December '71 and fortifying his commitment to sobriety in what had to have been an unfathomably difficult lifestyle change (if not in terms of medical necessity, then certainly in practice).

    "Ace" was recorded from January - March '72, but recall that Pig's alcohol-related health problems forced a touring hiatus in August '71 that culminated with hospitalization in September for bleeding ulcers, hepatitis, and spleen problems. He was only able to rejoin the Dead beginning early December in Boston, at which time I recall Phil describing Ron as shockingly frail in his book. Not surprisingly, Pig's contributions are limited, and while progressively more energetic throughout the month (at least to my ears), they are still anemic by historical standards; though by NYE he sounds beat.

    In retrospect, it's a miracle that the Dead community (once and future) got Pig back in functional form for the brilliantly recorded European tour, especially given how quickly he dropped off radar for related health problems afterward.

    EDIT: And yes, "sabbatical" serves as a neat and entirely appropriate bit of shorthand in conversation among those who know....

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    essentially it was a dead album with everyone on board contributing except for Micky who was on a sabbatical, (as i see it) and Pig, why wasnt Pig contributing? was he too sick at the time?

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    CC, your post invites a bit of confusion by suggesting that you saw both the Dead and TSOC on the same NYE bill at Winterland in '69; though 50 years is an understandably long time. It's hard to imagine, but the Dead were not playing on a West Coast home field that December 31st, and were rather in the midst of an odd eastbound triptik that took them to Dallas on 12/26, Hollywood (FL) on 12/28, and the Boston Tea Party on 12/29-30, while closing out at the Fillmore East on 1/2-3/70.

    Indeed, the '69 NYE playbill on the poster you linked does not name the Dead. So TSOC and the GoGD were on opposite coasts at the decade's close. In any event, here's a link to a CM SBD for the Dead's '69 NYE show:
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/12/31?source=87994

    Incidentally, I couldn't find a poster for Boston NYE, but here's one from the night before (it would appear the promo dept. missed the spirit of the "grateful" dead; you'd think an impossibly early incarnation of Maiden was playing that night!):
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YQBsfGwVEeo/TUSkqEWWy3I/AAAAAAAARQs/qRvbGdWK_…

    However, you are correct that the Dead played NYE '70 at Winterland, but, consistent with the playbill cited in Deadbase50, the following promo poster does not show TSOC on the same stage, but rather NRPS, "assorted friends" (apparently Hot Tuna), and Stoneground (note also, "lights by Little Princess 109").
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/030/0/8448089/il_570xN.542921874_q4nc.jpg

    Checking Deadbase, here's a link to what seems the complete NYE '70 show; however, it appears to be mix of AUD and FM broadcast that provides poor sound quality through Cumberland (even so, the Truckin' opener is well worth a listen), but thankfully improves in time for the set's highlights at Cryptical and China>Rider through close at UJB.
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/12/31?source=88719

    Regardless of which show you attended, either would've been a great way to kick off your own personal attendance record! Got a story?/K

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    You may want to post this on the Dave's Picks 31 thread so more people see it. Most folks are there.

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    I can not find the 1st GD show I attended anywhere in GD archives. No GD archive lists the same bands that I saw that night, as confirmed by the Sons archive which has the poster from that night:

    <<Wednesday, December 31, 1969: '1969 New Years Eve 1970', Winterland 2000 Post Street at Steiner Street, San Francisco, California
    The band was billed only as 'The Sons' on the poster printed for this show. Also on the bill: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna. Lights by Brotherhood of Light. This show, from 8:00pm to 8:00am, was promoted by Bill Graham Presents In San Francisco.>>
    http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/the-sons-of-champlin.html

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    How do I update my address for my Dave's subscription? Want to make sure #31 gets safely home!

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    limited releases logic explained

    Could you please explain the logic of "limited releases" as it applies to an "alternative" business model, such as the grateful dead" The "limited release" model is a concept taken from the good old music biznezz, in order to promote sales, keep prices high, and maintain collector value of limited products.
    I "missed" the window for daves pick's 30, a rare release from the year 1970, the first show that I recorded 1/3/70. I was disappointed, but managed to get one on a record/cd selling site. I paid double, but I still saved $$$, as I do not want to purchase a "subscription" to the daves picks yearly releases, as I am primarily interested in obtaining music from the 1966-1970 period, and not many releases are from these years. I guess I could always buy a subscription, and then sell off the unwanted items on another site for a profit, which is what this concept does, encourages a "black market". I do not consider this to be "progressive" in the least. I would rather purchase through GDCORP, as I have in the past, but if GDCORP wants to encourage this type of atmosphere, I am forced to participate in order to get what I want, and I am grateful to the sellers who have made it possible to get what I want. But it sure seems contrary to what Jerry's idea of business was.

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I was just wondering about a list of all the people working on the tour this time, "Lights, Sound, Management, etc." Was just wondering if it was some of the same crew from back in the day.
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at the moment it's acting a bit weird. I've reported this. It's probably not you.
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i was wondering why under the all shows page, the other ones, phil, bobby, and the dead, etc aren't listed? i'm sure a lot of people would like to add those to their my shows page.
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The gdh supposedly to be provided yesterday seems to be #1, but it does not show up on the front page 'The Latest'. When I went through 'Features' to 'GD Radio Hour' to 'Grateful Dead Hour no.1' at the top of the queue I get the text with 'Listen Now" radio button, but it won't play. I can play other Taper Section and GDH music, so it is clearly just this link that is the issue. Please let the right person know that the link is not working and hopefully they can fix it. lethedoom
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Does anyone know if the pre-sale chicago added show have gone out yet? I did not hear one way or another wearther i got them or not. tickets are still avaiblabe through ticket master but was hoping for the presale tics.
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Me & my wife spaced last night in Worcester and forgot to pick up our disc's of the show. She still has her bracelet and receipt, does anyone know of any way that we can get the cd's that we already paid for? Thanks.
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Hi there, I heading to Buffalo for Tuesday's show .... pretty sure I can take pictures in the concert. Can anyone tell me for sure?
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I'll see what I can find out!
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I didn't know if anyone could help me get in touch with anyone associated with the store. I ordered a download on the 15th to take to charlottesville with me but it didn't post that day, and upon returning from out of town, I'm being told that my download has expired and I was pegged the 16 bucks. I've posted multiple tags with customer service with no response, and I've already filed for a return through my bank. I didn't know if anyone here could get me in touch with someone who could help me resolve this without a bunch of paperwork and mess. Thanks in advance.
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send me a PM with the order number etc. and I'll try to get this straightened out.
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Thanks for trying to help Mary, you're the best!
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as I suspected you're not the only one to have this problem (life happens...) and I hope to have a solution for you soonest.
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I was at the Forum show on Saturday 5/9. I bought the wristband for the show CD, but unfortunately my wife ended up in a ambulance at the end of the show because of an asthma attack so I didn't get to pick up my copy. I still have the wristband and receipt, is there something I can do about this? I tried calling 1-877-deadnet and they said they would have corporate offices call me but I have not heard anything yet. P.S. She was kind enough to wait for the encore before her attack.
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please pm me the details. We're trying to get something set up to address this situation.
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hope your wife is okay. Yikes!
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If you or anyone you know may have witnessed ABUSE by the Chicago police the evening of 05-05-09 at (night of Allstate Arena show in Rosemont), you are urged to call attorney Goeffrey Fieger at 248-355-5555 and leave info with Robert Giroux. You can also call the Chicago division of the FBI at 312-421-6700. This is Rabbit and I can be reached at 419-215-0577.
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Ive been hearing that theres a lot of problems with orders from the store...Are they short handed??? Send me an application man...Its gotta be a better job then what ive got here in Ohio..LOL:)Peace- Moye
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hi, sorry if this has been asked before (i'm sure it has) but is there a place to send messages to bobby, phil, bill, mickey, warren and jeff? do they ever get messages from this site? thanks!
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this was a great surprise, to find i could get the show, clearer, and better quality recording, then the old taper recordings i use to hunt down. i too had my wife taken away in an ambulance, at shoreline 5-14-09. it was asthma related, but my wife lost half a lung about 5 months ago to pneumonia, and has a tumor low on her back pushing into her spinal cord, and cuts off leg movement sometimes. the attack ,the crowds, and all got too her we figure. RockMed are the best. they was right there, on the ball, and got my wife off the lawn at shoreline, with my wife in a wheel chair, had an O2 tank ready for her not 2 minutes after reporting my wifes position on the lawn Thank You RockMed. now the question. the wristband CD had 3 discs, my disc three wont play any track after the 1st track on my car CD player. in my home CD player, a bit better quality wont play track 3-5-6 it shows "read error" the way it is, i only really get to listen to my car CD player. so i only get 1st track on 3rd disc!! i lose all but 1 song after drums/space. this disc is the same time frame my wife was having problems. i spent most of the last part of concert calming her down, and hunting down RockMed, and sitting in RockMed office with my wife. i dont want to lose last half of 2nd set again. who do i contact about this? you can ask RockMed at shoreline, the got a full report from me and wife there on file.
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on a lighter note, when rockmed people asked if i know why my wife got this bad, i told them she was too sick for raise the flag tour, now once again, she was sick, but we felt she was well enough, but we guessed wrong as it seams. then i told him it was the bands fault, if they did shoreline 2 times a year, 2 or 3 nights in a row, i could of taken her when she was feeling better. this 3 shows in 13 years at shoreline just isnt enough. we just had to go, we never know when they tour together again, like all outdoor venues, rain or shine, the show must go on. tix was bought, with no foreseen time of a return, we risked it. in truth, it was worth it, a bit scarry there, on the encore, i couldnt fight the crowd on the lawn, to try to find her, and if i left in the encore, i would of had to leave her alone, in a panic. i had to wait for lights to come on, to get help for her, without leaving her side. RockMed is the best. i wont get a lawn t9icket again, if they return, i like lawn at shoreline, but the wife is too ill. i sit in lines for hours'n hours, to get tix the day they come out, (now it is prebuy online, as a fanclub member, same thing) but the dead, shoreline, the lawn is where it is at, you cant dance in the seats. i miss the old cal-expo shows, with the open area in front of stage and the seating in the back. i always felt that the dance floor should be in front.
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i am so pissed. who ever runs that dead.net site is wacked in the head. my 3rd disk dont play, and supervisor at 877-dead.net she told me i got to REBUY it. i paid good hard cash for my show CD at the show. and was told, i had to repay to get my disc. this is after losing me to a phone line that cuts me off. (22 minutes, 3rd call, it cuts me off, i had to call back a 4th time) well, why do i need to REBUY a broken item i BOUGHT already!?? i was told i could "hear" the show 15 minutes after the show, i am still waiting, 5 days later. the phonelines didnt work all weekend, then, i get "we dont handle Concert CD's here, you have TO REBUY it, so we can download it in your puter!!" well, thats all good'n fine, but i bought a CD, not a download!! and the only contact number on the CD is dead.net, if you contact them, as it is stated on package, and they dont handle the CD's sold at show time, how to i get this 3rd disc replaced without spending more then the show ticket? i have never felt so used and dirty dealing with a grateful dead vendor, as i did with dead.net. and i still didnt get an answer. i was told by manegment, that they will take a report, and take it to upper management, and i will get a call back within 3 to 5 days! thats over a WEEK AFTER THE SHOW, and bad CD. do you wait a week, to get the steak replaced that was over cooked in a restaurant? well, why should i wait aweek, to talk to manegment about a CD i bought, that just displays "read error" no 3rd CD, only 1st song after drums, no last half of set, no encore. i spent a lot of this same time frame of the show in RockMed, now i missed the show 2x. after all this negitive Karma with dead.net, i dont feel i will even listen to the show, can i sell my flawed faulty CD back to the dead please?
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as noted elsewhere, please PM me the details, I'm working on it. We're trying to fix this.
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sorry marye, after 4 days of begging this site, and the phone about fixing my CD i bought at the shoreline show, that wont play, i got a bit irritated and started to post everywhere in here. thank you for trying to fix this snafu.
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Is it legal to use the SYF image in a sculpture? I made a cast aluminum wall hanging last week for myself (something I have wanted for a long time) and was wondering how legal it is to sell these things on lot? What if any are the copyright laws with the SYF logo? My piece is a original sculpture made by me molded by me and cast in alum. by me. I posted a photo of it on the fan photos page under fan art.
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I've passed your inquiry to the licensing folks.
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thanks marye I have been searching on the web for a week now with no luck. even checked the us copyright web site.
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I have checked with the licensing folks, who confirm that selling this piece would be trademark infringement, as the SYF is a registered trademark. Should you wish to pursue a licensing arrangement, as many have done over the years, I'll put you in touch... Thanks. It IS a real nice piece!
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How can I make posts on the website? I'm registered and said FORUM LOCKED? Thanks Peace
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The interview with Jerry was off the hook. Could never purchase that at a music place. Thanks for making it happen. Kottonmouthjeff
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obviously you succeeded in making a post on the site. If you think there's a topic we should be discussing, send me a PM or post about it in the What Else Should We Be Talking About topic.
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Several weeks ago (I think it was April 21 because I see a charge on my CC), I paid for a download of the Mountain View concert for this Spring's tour. I never could download it, and forgot about it until now. Can you help me retrieve it?Thanks, John
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send me a PM with the details and we'll get it straightened out.
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hi my first show was in lincoln nebraska in 2/1973 and ive been a fan every sence any way i jest joined the site i cant figure out how to get the private masage to work it said i have a message i also wanted to send a private massage to an other member but i cant figure it out but im not very good on the computer please help if i can be helped
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in the left hand column, click on My Inbox and it should take you to a page where the message is waiting for you. Within the message, there is a Reply button, and for that matter a space for you to reply. It should all be fairly clear, but holler if it is not.
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Marye, we are deadheads Asturies, northern Spain we will like to be on the deadheads around the world list, is it possible? So we never met the Dead here, we knew it and love it just the same. cozmicfolkfan
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there are quite a few regional topics, and probably the likeliest one right now for your purposes would be Deadheads of Europe. You'll find other folks from Spain there, though I think you're the first from Asturies. Welcome!
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Why does it say that i am not alowed to post. im trying to network my lost dog here. i did so at ratdog.org and mostly got mean responses, so i am tryin this board in hopes of finding some grateful dead love, support and finding my dog, odessa.
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Thanks Marie. I´ll try on this topic cause that path is not for my steps alone. cozmicfolkfan
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i'm looking for info about seating here,like is it possible to move from your seat upper level to lower level? how is security as far as movement once concert is started?
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as I've said, not allowing free-for-all topic starting is simply a chaos management tool we adopted when we launched the site, and examples abound on other systems why this was a wise decision. I've already PMed you about your lost dog topic request and await developments; just upload your photo to fan pix and I'll get it rolling. As I look at my sleeping dogs, I feel your pain on your lost girl.
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How does one get the following question in front of the the right person(s) for serious consideration and at least a response other than this poster having the bank to fund such a thing?? How do we make "The DEAD & NRPS @ RFK Stadium" and possibly other venues happen? I feel like from the turnout at the spring shows and the bowl you over frenzy happening at the New NRPS shows that this would be incredibly magical. For what it is worth, I do have personal access to legal help that knows the ins and out of concert promotion and production (i.e. Allmans, Lynard Skynard, and the like, but isn't necessarily a fan of these tunes, but is respectful. Thank you for your time and consideration of my questions. Never gonna leave this Brokedown Palace.....
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excuse my agravation but I have been attempting to put some pics up in the faithfull freinds forum and I have no frigin idea how the hell to do this . can someone please help.? thank you !
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PM sent.
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Offhand I have no idea how to set up such a tour or who the likely contact point might be in this day and age, but I'll pass your question up the line. Meanwhile, you might want to ask the same thing over on phillesh.net, ratdog.org, and the NRPS site by way of casting a broad net.
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Hey now,This is no doubt a dopey question, but I'm not clear on how to start a new topic within one of the existing forums. I see how to add a comment to a thread, but not seeing a button or tab for "New Topic" or something like that. What am I missing. Thanks!
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just the way it's set up. If there's a topic you'd like to see discussed, send me a PM or post in the What Else Should We Be Talking About topic.