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    Shrine Auditorium, Los Angeles, CA 11/10/67 Vinyl

    3-LP Set
    180-gram Vinyl
    Limited Edition of 6700
    Mixed and mastered by Jeffrey Norman from the 8-track analog master tapes
    Mastered by Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser
    Features era-defining tunes "Viola Lee Blues" & "That's It For The Other One" plus an explosive "Alligator>Caution" jam!

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  • marye
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    This is a known balancing act. Spam posts and obvious malfunctions (like six of the same post) aside, I've probably deleted a couple of posts a year on average and tend to deal with them pretty individually. In some situations, posting a notice that a comment's been removed functions more or less to pour gasoline on the flames, which is suboptimal. If you notice a post of yours disappearing, let me know. Sometimes they get stuck in a moderation queue for no apparent reason; the anti-spam filter is doing a pretty good job of keeping spam away, but it guesses wrong sometimes. Thanks.
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    Please stop with the insult-slinging. TOS aside, it's not exactly the civility for which Dead Heads are usually notable. It would be quite remarkable for any two Dead Heads to agree on everything; I've sure never seen it. Multiply that by about two million, and it becomes a matter of getting along, not figuring out ways to beat up/gang up on the people you don't agree with about something that would seriously mystify an outside observer. If Dead.net has done you wrong, send me a PM. If you and someone else really want to carry on your feud, take it offline. Thank you. And now, back to the Shrine.
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    This is one freaking hot
    This is one freaking hot show, whether on vinyl or CD or any other format. Listen to the music play.
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    Rhino pricing can be skewed
    Interesting point was noted Seth, The Doors 3LP set (RSD2016 release) is priced at $35 - live show from 60's. Double the price of Grateful Dead Shrine show. What gives ? Both are limited, Doors actually more limited (5,000) copies. And its physically numbered, what a concept Rhino has take this approach with other releases and constantly excludes Limited edition numbering from packaging on numerous GD vinyl releases. That is my number 1 complaint !!!!! Both Shrine and the Doors show are available in other formats, so it's not like the GD Shrine show is exclusive to vinyl, which in my opinion would make it cost more. So it's pretty obvious the folks at Rhino think the Grateful Dead stuff commands a higher price tag even without some of the bells and whistles the other products almost always have. Other comparisons can be made - these are other Rhino releases that will come out for RSD Monkees have a 10LP set for RSD priced at $135,, lol I think it was last year the Spring 90 Branford show was at like $130 in some places,, and that was a 5 LP with one side as an etching. The pricing on that one was so whacky Fleetwood Mac - Studio album - 2LP -$35 Grateful Dead - 30 Trips 1977 show - 4LP - $80 I'm sure I could pull a bunch more examples, but it appears as if the GD stuff Rhino has a hand in is there crown jewel and they are not parting with it for cheap.
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    Next RSD
    Let's see something NEW next RSD.
  • marcdenn
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    Wish it was a show I didn't already have
    Glad they're releasing it, don't get me wrong. I just wish it was something I didn't already have from Boxzilla.
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    If the cost of the Shrine record, which is a 3 record set, costs the same as 3 records from any other band, how are they screwing faithful customers? The Shrine set works out to 23 bucks a disc. I checked 4 bands on the website listed below (soundstagedirect), and they're all 25 - 30 bucks for 1 disc: The Who / Who's Next (1LP) $34.99 Rolling Stones / Sticky Fingers $24.99 Led Zeppelin IV / $24.99 The Beatles / Sgt. Pepper $22.99 The price of these 1 LP classics average $27, and you multiply by 3 (because the Shrine show is a 3 LP set), you get $81, which is $11 MORE than the Shrine set. How is this a rip-off? What should the price be? 180 gram vinyl is this price everywhere.
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    One of mine was deleted last week by MaryE. She informed me by PM, but it would be nice if some record of the deletion appeared in the comment thread. Reading the last few messages here made me think of that.Perhaps the original comment entry could remain, but with the comment content replaced by "Comment removed by moderator" or some similar message. The previous times I have followed threads where comments were deleted, the threads became disjointed and confusing. Revising the comment deletion process to leave a footprint would help maintain clarity...
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    My point was that it is bad business. Its bad business to constantly screw the faithful customers.But you know I'm kind of glad they are doing what they do because after you don't get the first big box its easier to keep saying no to high cost and find alternatives. But to your comment - what is it that you truly love that is getting dragged through the mud because of there is a price tag? It can't be the reasonable sustaining live and let live commerce of the old dead scene - thats not here It can't be the "for the people" rep of the band - yeah thats definitely no more So is it the music itself. Ok yeah thats getting dragged through the mud but not by me or others who criticize the PTB, its the PTB themselves who have chosen to charge a ridiculous price tag (compare the same product here and say Amazon, or even other Rhino releases), create limited editions, refuse to restock and resell rights to other makers who will then charge higher prices (dicks picks). Doing all of this because they know they can prey upon the attachment a deadhead has to the music and desire to get the best quality of what they love. Why would you defend that? Why not at least express disdain for the way they are doing business so hopefully one day when the purchasing volume goes down they can make some concessions? Hey you have your opinion - thats cool, not going to be hypocritical. But that doesn't allow you to go after anyone else who has a different opinion- especially in a nasty little way. Man the snarkyness is off the hook. I was being rude too and am sorry that I succumbed to that. Difference of opinion is good and getting others thoughts is good and can keep you from being blinded while you are getting screwed by a corporation. If that doesn't interest you and think everything is good here, fine - what did Zappa say? Keep it greasy...
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    Mine says made in USA and isn't warped sorry to burst your bubble. And who said anything about erasing comments? MaryE often gets on and tells people to play nice... In my 4 years of being on here, I've very rarely seen her delete comments and they were a lot worse than your pathetic rants. I like how you assume things to further provoke a ridiculous argument. whatever helps you sleep at night, i guess and for all I care, she can delete my comments...because people like you bring out the worst in people like me, people who are so nauseous from stupidity its impossible to sit idly by and have something they deeply love be dragged through the mud just because there is a price tag. parasite of greed? Seriously? Its just a business, plain and simple.
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Shrine Auditorium, Los Angeles, CA 11/10/67 Vinyl

3-LP Set
180-gram Vinyl
Limited Edition of 6700
Mixed and mastered by Jeffrey Norman from the 8-track analog master tapes
Mastered by Grammy-winning engineer David Glasser
Features era-defining tunes "Viola Lee Blues" & "That's It For The Other One" plus an explosive "Alligator>Caution" jam!

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RSD 4lp box coming?
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I thought this was the RSD selection, even though it's been available for a few months at rhino.com since January 19th. Yeah why not 4/25/77 for RSD or how about 5/18 OR 5/26? Either way count me in. How about a t-shirt based on the cover art?
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it was made avail in other formats...
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how do you know what this sounds like, do you have a copy? With this release, all the prices of my old lp's just doubled. :) How can you compare one show on vinyl to 30 shows on cd? Talk about stating the obvious, of course it's cheaper than 30 shows. That's like comparing one dead show to 30 (submit name of favorite band here) With that logic, if the powers that be decided to release all the 30tats on vinyl, the cost would be close to 20 grand. I know a lot of deadheads who are well off, but that is just ridiculous.
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Great release for vinyl. If it's advertised to be a limited edition of 6700 please number these !!!!! Provides some transparency
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saving my self, er, money, for 7/17/76. but this looks like a winner and a half.
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Hey guys, this was released by Rhino at the end of jan w/ a lot of other non-dead titles on vinyl as part of a promotion. it was only available in store at barnes and noble or at a few mom and pop vinyl stores that wanted to pay retail price (none of my local stores bothered w/ it bc they would make no money clearly the plan of Rhino and BnN.) So I drove around town in 5:00 traffic after work to 3 BnN stores until I found the ONLY copy in Baton Rouge!!!! To see it available on dead.net now is frustrating bc I spent 3 hrs hunting it down!!! It IS part of 30 trips which I could not afford and it sounds GREAT on vinyl!! LIKE BUTTA!!! Viola LEE is sick!!! definitely worth it if you are an audiophile and/or did not get the 30 trips box. I LOVE this release, but would have loved DEAD.NET to release it back in Jan so I would not waste my time in EVIL BnN...it was a scam to get me in there and it worked as I also bought Velvet Underground live at max's on vinyl. I am glad I got it but IT IS NOT NUMBERED OR FOIL STAMPED- it says 'limited ed of 6,700' on the back bottom corner and also has a sticker on the shrink rap tat says similar, Get them while they are hot. Once again J Norman did a great job here. It is in constant rotation for me. Hopefully they do the same for some late '70s or early '90s shows from 30 trips
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they must be having a hard time selling this release elsewhere. Similar thing happened with the Branford show Wake up To Find Out on vinyl. The original RSD day retail price was $120 & within a few months it was all over Ebay & Amazon for $60-$70 Regardless this show absolutely rocks. Viola will melt your face. And nothing wrong with feeling like a kid again holding up a 12" beautifully decorated triple gatefold jacket. Used to roll J's off certain record jackets bake in the, I mean back in the day. Great way to get the seeds to roll off. Whatever happened to seeds? In fact my kids can't even imagine having seeds in watermelon.
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dave's picks subscribers get the same shit every 3 months, but those few individuals who still collect vinyl get brent & pigpen era shows. there shouldn't be any doubt in the minds of those who frequent dead.net that the chief concern of dave lemieux and the surviving members of the grateful dead is to extract as much cash as they can from their most loyal fans. perhaps if they raised the price of the dave's picks subscription to $250 we'd get some variety too. ----
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This show was already released on CD as part of the 30 Trips box, so we're not missing out on anything. If it were ONLY available on vinyl that would indeed suck.
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i'll just throw down $1000 to get the box set on ebay. -thanks. ----
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That was a bad hookup you were getting pollinated herb most likely grown outdoors or by someone who could not recognize a male plant in their grow room, oops. Herb growing has improved and luckily the newer growers have "boutiqued" out the production of a crop as a matter of personal pride. Leaving the plants non-pollinated improves the harvest quality. If there is one thing the older heads owe the younger, its contributions to the refinement of what we are all ingesting. Seedless watermelon that's from Monsanto and modification of our food supply, yuck. Luckily living in Western Mass we get real food from down the street and higher quality herb than the places its legal and mass produced. However, friends and growers in Portland, ME do deserve some special acknowledgements for impressive and consistent strain quality. Long live the "small" business model of quality over quantity, people over profit. I picked up a copy of this vinyl and it is killer.
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Of course making money is a chief concern for all involved at dead.net. You expect to be paid for your working hours, why do you feel the folks at dead.net shouldn't be? Until you tell your boss that you don't want a paycheck this week, that you're doing this for free out of the kindness of your heart, your complaining makes you look like a whining hypocrite. But I've also been around long enough to know that no matter what they decide to release, you will have a dour outlook on it. Please, find me one of your posts that is not overwhelmingly negative. I think you like to complain just to hear yourself complain. But that is your choice Bro, you can continue to bring a dark cloud to every forum post or you can bring a little sunshine. Your choice.
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Gents in Deadnet Central and Mr. Lemieux What about people without vinyl players? Is there anyway I can get this concert either on CD or as a digital download [on iTunes or wherever]? A. Ashokan 05-03-2016 qrsquilon@asianetindia.com
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Gents in Deadnet Central and Mr. Lemieux What about people without vinyl players? Is there anyway I can get this concert either on CD or as a digital download [on iTunes or wherever]? A. Ashokan 05-03-2016 qrsquilon@asianetindia.com
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It was released as part of the limited edition Thirty Trips Around the Sun box set last year. You may, with some patience, be able to find a copy on the internet. Good luck...!
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normally, I don't agree with you, but this time you might be right, lets get as much as we can from the fans before they all die. Perhaps it's in your delivery or style of writing but most of the time you put me off, but this time, I think you might be on to something. Of course this is just an opinion, and of course, you all have the right to insult anyone who has a different one than yours. I agree that the surviving members of the band deserve payment for their work, but if you do a bit of research, you will see, without a doubt, that they are in it for the money now. Look at the ticket prices for Dead and company, look at the prices for anything dead related now days. Google any surviving band member and see what their net worth is, then you decide for yourself.
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here is a positive post regarding Dave's Picks Volume 14: posted on April 17, 2015 - 1:51pm ----> "this was announced months ago... which is why i'm not foaming at the mouth. as much as i'd like to see dave release stuff from the eras following keith's departure i am somewhat eager to hear this show. dick's picks 30 was one of my favorite releases from that series. its solid all the way through, and i particularly loved the stuff they did with bo diddley. with that said, it is time this series moved away from the 70s. dave needs to realize that as archivist his loyalty is to the music (not rhino), and when you disregard half of the band's career you're not doing your job. keep in mind, those who say the various tours from the 70s each have their own charms are correct, which makes it most hypocritical when these same people label everything post keith as the same. all we want is diversity. how can anyone argue against that?" ----
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Its clear now that this is a cut-throat business and a nasty one at that - the only connection between the fanbase and those in charge is profit. Pure and simple - but not the type of profit that provides a mutual benefit or good feeling. No this is bent over the barrel profit - where you buy now because of manipulative limited editions and feel used or you don't buy at that moment because of finances, etc..and feel left out. Really is that what this was all for?The devil is in the details - and they will find ways to keep shoveling it in different forms as long as it maximizes profit- really that much per lp? Did the 50th have to leave so many depressed? I was a cd/box set enthusiast - and I appreciated the packaging, extras - the whole experience - I knew I could find ways of listening, but I wanted a little more - now thanks to this bad business, I more appreciate just the music itself and the fact that I can find it regardless if its in some fancy package, etc... and in fact audience tapes are sweeter, because there is a love behind them that corporate greed cannot match. So thanks DEAD.NET you shined a light in your own way to what is truly important - the music, not the parasite of greed that you have become.
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what if they Put 30 trips around the Sun on Vinyl..... I agree ... It`s Bad for Business...
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Well there's one. One mostly positive post from 11 months ago. I guess I was wrong. Now I have to pay up on my bets.
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Who did this one? Is it recent or classic? Fantastic, that's what it is.
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Folks, I understand some of the frustation regarding dead.net, how they are packaging stuff, etc. First, let me say that it is an ongoing joke with my inner circle that dead.net stands for NET profits. Certainly the website has transformed into a marketing venture but, honestly, what's so wrong about that? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything. Personally, I much prefer the days of simple tape trading where we had great times sharing the music and finding some amazing stuff. I probably have the Shrine '67 show somewhere in my collection if I dug through my garage or basement or wherever. Why I don't have it all organized like I used to is another story. But PLEASE don't go down the road of complaining about ticket prices and what the band members net worth is. Two completely different topics actually. The tickets prices are the result of the higher costs to the band members. They have to pay the venue and the union roadies big money - so the band is getting gouged and they pass that cost to us. Ramrod and Owsely aren't there anymore coordinating renting out the venue and setting up the equipment. It's not a family business anymore. These guys have tons of middlemen to deal with. As for their net worth - STOP!!! That's none of anyone's business and they deserve EVERY penny. My biggest problem with it is the sanitized versions of the shows. I don't want to hear excerpts CDs like "Road Trips" or the box sets of greatest hits. I want to hear whole shows. But...whatever. It's a shame that the Internet Archives are being blocked by the Dead though. I'm going to see Dead and Co this summer - psyched. The Phil shows at the Cap are tough to get, unfortunately. Peace and Swing Low Sweet Chariots - love the music and let's not hate on the small stuff given the magnificence of it all over the years.
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lets just call them what they are. we all make choices, and its their choice to pass the additional cost onto the consumer. no one is forcing their hand. i get it though. the band needs the extra money, so bobby's grand-niece can open up an overpriced cheese shop somewhere in san francisco. ----
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There's nothing legitimate to complain about here. The price is consistent with what 180 gram vinyl LPs are selling for these days. Every band out there has vinyl at the same price: $25 - $30 per LP (Beatles, Rush, Doors, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin). This Shrine show is a 3 LP set, so the price is correct. If the Price Tag were $100, I would say they're gouging people, but that's simply not the case here. Move along...
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am i the only one who thinks dead.net uses lackeys to steer the conversation in a more favorable direction whenever the mood turns sour? -----
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You can insult all you want patagonian poo-poo, but really, what's your point? You're complaining about an unfair sales environment here that doesn't exist. Careful though - people are going to think you're just here to complain, and stop taking you seriously.
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the grateful dead are hypocrites. they pretend to champion liberal causes, while stuffing as much cash into their fat pockets as they can. the band has been paid for its work. far more than most professional artists ever make. my real complaint is the grateful dead unload the surplus of keith shit as part of the dave pick's subscription. then charge a premium for pigpen & brent era shows. i'd probably pay the $70 for this show if it were available on CD. "people who collect vinyl piss me off." - (eric cartman voice) ----
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Here's an idea for those whom rant about capitalism, Don't fuckin' buy it" I am the first to understand the greed involved in the last few years, but living in the past won't change today. Now we have people whom are complaining about what music is released. If you don't like it don't buy it. There are plenty of sources to get what you want online. I am sure this vinyl will be online within days of it's release, and then can be downloaded for digital listening.
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If anyone were to call me a plant, I might consider that as a compliment...
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I do have a copy and it sounds great on Vinyl. It was one of the shows that "nearly" tempted me to the 30 show box set. So I'm happy. I have more than enough Dead to last me a lifetime, but I enjoy the pleasure of listening to shows I've never heard properly before. But, no - your old Vinyl did not just double in price. And no - I very much doubt they will release the whole of 30tats on Vinyl. This was a clear candidate since it was a multi-track mix, rather than a 2 track. Pricing looks the same (roughly) as most 180 gram Vinyl. At least the Vinyl can't be bent double like the stuff from the mid 70s - lol.
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Don't see anything to complain about here. Some like vinyl, some like CD, some like ipods. All of the releases have production costs associated with them that are in line with every other band out there, especially if the shows are mixed down from multi-track. The tapes have to be transferred and then meticulously mixed and mastered, which takes a good amount of studio time. Personally I'd love to see any show that was recorded multi-track get mixed down properly (like this one) so we can really hear the band shine. The old cassettes are great too, but I love hearing the Dead in Hi-Fi!
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That would be sweet. Especially if they all are available through this site. Looks like the next one up is gonna be 4-25-77 on the next Record Store Day. 4 lp set. Get in line.
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The Grateful Dead made enough money, huh? They should just start giving you handouts now? You just plod along from one handout to the next, I'm sure. You're a pitiful excuse for a man. Shameful existence you live, absolutely shameful. But let's not take my word for it, indulge us - what great moral crusade was it that you head up from day to day?
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i've never once asked for a handout from the grateful dead or anyone on this website. i have no idea how you even came to that conclusion. do i think the grateful dead are sellouts? hell yes i do, but they're no different than most celebrities whose work i admire. what pisses me off royally is how they jackup the price of brent and pigpen era shows, and give us the same keith crap as part of the dave's picks subscription. i have a degree in economics, so i understand supply & demand, and somewhat condone dead.net's actions, but i don't want to hear how the band is all about the fans and the music, because thats just a load of shit. for the record i have enough money to be happy. its definitely not a part of my life that needs attention, so please stop sending me your pointless emails. you have about as much eloquence as donald duck, or donald trump for that matter. ----
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Why do you continue to come here if you don't want to hear some people making positive comments? Why don't you just go and troll Kanye West's web site (remember, one of your fave's). It seems like you just troll this sight looking for an opportunity to complain or to instigate something. I don't believe that everyone here expects to see 100% positive comments. I am guilty of making negative comments on this site from time to time and I fully expect to be called out on them and I have also learned (after trial and error) to reframe from personal attacks against people who disagree with me.I know, I shouldn't feed the trolls. Bad things happen.
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Whack his peepee.
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I think that for record collectors, this is pretty cool and if they put out all 30 shows on vinyl, it would be a very impressive collection. I'm not the record collector that I was 20+ years ago, but I would be very tempted to try and procure a couple from the '60's and '70's, and a several from the '80's and '90's.
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i just post my opinions. i really don't care if i get under the skin of some people. almost everything i write is well thought out. i rarely attack individuals on this site. my barbs are almost always reserved for the band or management, but i get why people don't see it that way. there are scientific studies which show that it is almost impossible to change the opinion of others even when they are faced with facts or scientific evidence. the reality is most of you don't read what i write anyway. the majority who respond to my posts just skim through them to find something to throw back at me. i tried to make the best of this situation. since i couldn't get this show on CD i decided to buy 2 pigpen era shows i didn't have: (dick's picks 4 & dick's picks 16). as for kanye west; i do like his music. the albums: "college dropout", "late registration" & "my beautiful dark twisted fantasy" are better than any studio album the grateful dead ever recorded. i'm not so keen on his publicity stunts, or some of the stuff he tweets, but to be honest i'm not sure if he really is that guy, or if he just pretends to be to get as much media attention as possible. ----
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You only get under my skin when you purposely attack people. All your other opinions are provocative yet useful. Though you cross the line like Trump tends to. Like when you said that Dave Lemieux's birthday greeting to David Bowie in the DaP 17 video made you nauseous, that is most definitely not useful. It's outright attacking someone for no reason. So what if he likes Bowie & happened to remember to give him a shout out on his birthday? Good thing he did & it's kind of horrible that he passed on a couple days later. I understand you hate Dave for the releases under his direction, but that is flat out rude. Not sure why you act like that unless you are in fact trying to get under people's skin. All that being said you are entitled to say things as you please.
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that would be cool, unfortunately, the cost would be prohibitive. Some of those shows would take up 4 or 5 discs of wax, now what would be that cost? Throw a dog a bone? 4 platters for 90.00? 5 for 100? Doesn't matter anyway, who's got that kind of scratch to buy them all? Not for what you would get. Besides, they really would not put out some of those shows on vinyl that are only 2 track Healy recordings would they? Well maybe, anything for a buck nowdays, right? Pfox, when you say things like "I like K. west" it kinda makes you a target right from the get go. The guy is a flipped out whack job and for that reason only I wouldn't give him the time of day, well alone buy any of his music. It may be good (not) but who cares, the guys a joke. You say the dead's organization is good economics, yet you constantly complain about almost every release, pray, which shows would you like to see released? I would love some more pigpen, and some more 80's shows, but they ain't gonna do it, so all the bitching in the world is not going to make that happen. So, why do you do it? It makes no sense. I got to say this, some of the comments against you have been down right mean, nasty and totally uncalled for, but like you say, some people ain't gonna learn what they don't want to know. Spacebrother, you have felt this pain also, and I feel for you cause you just want more 80's, and that's cool and the comments against you in the past have also been mean, just mean spirited. Love the dead and the music, hate the drama. And yes, this package is overpriced in my opinion. But like PT Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute.
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