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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • noonie
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    my thoughts......
    the whole shn /flac /mps things it just a matter of personal taste...some people care some don't..personally i am in to shn/flac just saves of space, time copying, and it sounds better but that is my opion....we are are all here as a community to share the music of the grateful dead......the one thing i think all of us needs to remember is, its not our music we did not createt it we do not own it as a personal possesion, but we do looooove it and cherish it . The grateful dead where nice enough to allowing tapeing and tradeing. Lets just all sit back and enjoy this precious gift we have been given....i remember listening to tapes all warped left in the sun, some one spilling bong water on them, and just dancing my ass off and just digin every fuck up sound coming from my speakers. so i remember we had this one tape that cut out right in the middle of drums blank for about 1 1/2 so we decide that was when the audiance was suppose to play and we would drum on anything around us...fun times .anywhooo...thats my opion let you life proceed by its own design fare the well now
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    mp3 format converted to flac?
    WHOA HOLD UP... this is a big no no...mp3 could be traded or vined...but that needs to be listed as such...not only did the Grateful Dead standardize the quality of many things in popular music...so did the taping community...frankly, mp3 is what it is...a super compressed digital format...I mean really digital is bad enough for frequency range, so for somebody to actually seed something that was MP3 and encode it to flac...that's really , really lame...and if done on purpose is tantamountly lame... This really should not happen whatsoever, I did see a "best of summer" DVD as a add on from a vine as MP3 , and that was OK, but I passed...as I don't really need to listen to that format and if I do : I will convert whatever music as I see fit... It really comes down to quality...I KNOW MP3 is convienent but as a standard of quality it really pales in comparison to .wav files or lossless files converted to .wav aka "standard red book CD format quality" - now some 24 bit at 96 kHz stuff might be interesting to seed later....but this would be played through a DVD player to handle such encodement... MP3 SEEDS AS FLAC IS WAY WAY LAME - KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN SEEDING - PLEASE FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE.... Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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    i don't understand a word of the computerspeak goin' on here, but i wanna say thanx to all who have sent my son and i shows on cd. i have hours of audio on video tape cuz it was a convenient way to record stuff off the radio, either fm broadcasts, or gd hour marathons. someday when my brain is not so mushy (ha!, like that's ever gonna happen!) i can solicit help in transferring the info to a more modern listening format but it's like trying to learn a new language with a knot yanked in yer tongue!
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    Thanks for the info CB! Man that would be perfect! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    1. flac files can of course easily be converted to WAV and burnt to CDs. That is what I do for the car stereo and for favourite shows 2. The Cowon iaudio series of portable players can play FLACs (and WAVs but not SHNs) directly. www dot cowonglobal dot com If you are buying a new player it may be worth considering. Greg MacFarlane has one. 3. It is now possible to convert many MP3 players to play FLACs and SHNs (as well as MP3s) by installing a cool and free programme called Rockbox. www dot rockbox dot org I converted my ipod to Rockbox just by following the instructions and can now load and play flacs and shns directly for mobile lossless listening pleasure without having to convert to MP3. Of course they take up a lot more disc space hth CB
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    I agree with Cosmic, any shows that are sourced from Lossless Legs are not MP3's converted back to a lossless format. The folks there would never permit this to happen - the hard core traders run a spectrum analysis on the music and if it were Lossy data they would yank that torrent right down. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I echo the sentiment of cosmic badger and offer thanks to all who share this wonderful music so well in this forum (and thanks to marye for her kind assistance). That said, I also state that I am not big into the flac offerings. My computer is not hooked up to my stereo in any fashion and when I want to listen, I pop one the grate shows I got from the vineyard into my stereo and crank it. I am not a big 'headphones' kind of guy (unless it is late night listening, out of consideration for my wife.) I do see the value of the flac and even loading the shows into the computers 'hard drive' for storage. Forgive me, like some of my other cohorts (dwindling numbers as we speak), I appreciate and will continue to sign up for the CDs, as they are most conveient for my uses (in my recent trip to Minn we listened to the vineyards aural treasures for 10 hours). Maybe in the future I will take up some of the offers to send 'hard drives' to have years of GD or JGB 'loaded' onto them. Where I sit right now is being thankful to all who share, grateful that I was able to share, and just got to smile, smile, smile, when I think of what trading and sharing consisted of in the old daze. We got it good people. Let's maintain the positive vibe and continue to spead the joy. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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    1. IMHO everyone who takes the trouble to assemble some shows and share them on the vines is a superstar (whatever the content, quantity or name of the vines). Establishing hierarchies, competing and bitching are unnecessary and undermine the integrity of this place. Why do it? 2. It all boils down to this. Trade losslessly and do not insert MP3 generations. WAV, FLAC and SHN are lossless formats. FLAC is the most convenient and the most popular because the data files are smaller and easy to copy and convert to anything else. It takes 30 minutes to learn how to deal with FLACs 3. The shows traded losslessly on LL were not downloaded from Archive as MP3s. If there was an MP3 generation in those files it would be shown in the provenance of the show. Before the clamp down on Grateful Dead SBDs all those shows were uploaded (and downloadable) as FLAC or SHN files by a wonderful community of people wishing to share and archive everything in perpetual lossless format. In fact the auds on archive still are downloadable in Lossless formats but only on a file by file basis; just scroll down the page and you will see that you have a choice of formats. It was once like this for the SBDs too. If you want the FLACs you can save yourself a lot of time and trouble by using the ‘Down’ em all’ plug in for Firefox, which will grab all the files for you in one go. Have a nice weekend CB
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    JGB 74 and all of 77
    Hell yea I`m stoked for that too !! and a 68 vine , oh yea that too I can`t wait for !! Back to mp3/shn/flac for a momemt , all I know is that shn/flac does in fact sound better to me as of my recent discovery of Foobar 2000 . But I guise it also depends on the systme you are using to play said music . I don`t know too much about WAV formats . But I do know that there are people seeding shn/flac on shn/flac.net that have been dowed from arcives.org , wich we know that is all mp3 format .. to my ears shn/flac does sound better to me then mp3 and with the correct equipment it can be played on my car radio . And I`m quite sure that some vines that where seeded here have been in mp3 format at one time or another . now that I think of it I`m sure I seeded shn/flac vies that where mp3 at one time and not even realize it at the time , but i do keep a better eye out for the mp3 to shn/flac when i down anything from shn/flac.net or any other site . Man this can all get way to confusing for me so I think I`ll exit this conversation . Way too many different formats !! I agree with Unclejon lets just enjoy the music as it is ( was ) intended to be .. Hope you all have a Grate weekend !! Peace .. Stu ..
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    for JGB '74...and can't wait for ALL of 1979 (all good things in all good time). "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Maybe someone can get a hold of Marks freind that has the kind vegi burittos cook book. have to do some poking around the vineyard history to find her .
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I`m not sure how close of freinds they are but thats what he was posting for a while . I hav`nt attemped contact with her yet .
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If he has any health problems, be they of the physical or mental kind and he is hospitalized you will not be able to find out because that is protected by privacy acts. Hope that is none of these. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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I am going to raft the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon. On the water 16 days. Will be back mid-July. I have sent out all the vines that were here. If any arrive will I am gone I will send as soon as I can when I get back. Thank you all for well wishes for the person in my family that is sick that I have been helping out. She is doing better and a family member will be helping out while I am gone. Happy vining. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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In my vine killers post, I included Brother Tom in the second category and had him being suspected in the slayings of 2 vines, Cream Filling and Matrix # 1 (I think those were the two). I messed up re: Cream Filling as the person AFTER him on that vine, Solix, had posted saying he sent it to T.Crawford. So clearly, Brother Tom did NOT kill that vine. As for the other vine, and I believe I posted this, he was the last person on the vine, and no one else signed up for 2 months after he posted having received it. He has been busy at work and will pass it on ASAP. Sorry BT.
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Thanks for clarifying my non-vine-killing status and for all the great work you do on behalf of our vining community. Sorry, everyone waiting on it, to be a scofflaw and delay that Matrix Vol 1Vine. It's moving soon.In peace, tom
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I will be away from a computer until 6/29. Everything in is mailed out but I am expecting 3 vines to show up soon. If you need my address, I'll respond Monday. Will gitter-done first of next week.
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After today, I will be away for a week for some R&R--back 7/13
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Taking off for Rothbury!! Another Dead show to see, let the adventure begin! I'll be back to any vines I receive while I'm gone on July 8. Happy 4th of July!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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nothing but the best to our brothers and sisters on their journeys... "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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. . . and will tend to the vines after I return early next week. Have a GRATE 4th everybody!! "Come with me or go alone, he's come to take his children home"
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my apologies if my pm`s to some of you ( regarding address comfirmations ) seem a little redundent .. I just want to make sure we are all still here . I know that we have some folks who seemed to have vanish on us AGAIN . If you don`t post on a regular basis or are not a long time resident here I will send pm`s for address comfirmation. If I get no reply then those folks will be skipped. Gotta keep the vines alive !! Don`t want to keep other people waiting . That is all .. Hope you all have a very nice holiday weekend !! Peace and sunshine to you all !! Stu..
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I don't know if he has since passed on the vines that stalled with him. Here is the relevant excerpt from my original post: gratefulmikes appears to have killed at least 8 vines (funiculi funicula, 93 by request, Legion of Mary, Winterland June 77, NYE 83, Summer 82, Greek 84 and LOM Mystery). NOTE THAT he is signed up to soon receive Europe 74 so heads up birdsong1969nj and Jimbo (unclear who has it right now)!!!! He may also have killed Red Rocks 9/8/83 (or Deadhead Ben never sent it to him)
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Should vine like April 71, 5 dvd/flac be in "part" ? I think it move faster in this configuration. Just a suggestion, what do you think?Share the LOVE! Richard.
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Huh? Are you saying you think it is better when the vines are smaller (ie the 1973 SHN/FLAC vines which are 2 DVDs per part) or larger (ie the April 71 which was 5 DVDs)? I have been trying to mix them up. The 1973 SHN/FLAC vines are all 2 DVDs each and the 1970 SHN/FLAC Part 1 (and Part 2 coming soon) and Early 1973 SHN/FLAC, which I just posted, are 4 DVDs each.
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i think vines should only be 2dvd at the most just to keep things moving....
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I think it should be like 2 dvds at the time.
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I like the smaller vines too. I made the 1973 SHN/FLAC vines 2 DVDs, but then the same people were signing up in the same order, so they were going to receive more than 1 2 DVD vine at one time. So I figured I might as well make my next ones 4 DVDs each (1970 SHN/FLAC). When I finally put together the 1977 vines (see 1977 Project thread for more info), I will have to make each part 4 or 5 DVDs, as there will be about 25 DVDs total, and I don't want to do 10 parts. The bigger vines are more efficient in the sense that you only need one package, one trip to the post office and a smaller postage fee. The smaller vines should be quicker for people to turn around.
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...in one vine....the Marye-er.........I agree with Dstache personally....and less installments means less opportunity for vine-death "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Is there a new vine watchdog amongst us? Once upon a time there was a video dvd of Tinley Park from 7/23/90. Jimmy C never received it and his predecessor mailed it without copying it: does SOMEONE have a copy? Regarding gratefulmike, I bumped into him awhile back in Overland Park, KS. I'll see if I can run into him again and get an update on any vine stockpiling he may be experiencing.
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Thanks to all of you that contribute to this community. Thanks to all that oversee at Rhino and especially Marye the wise watchful eye. Most of all thanks to the Grateful Dead for helping me map my course in life, expand my horizons, and basically rock the fuck out. Love to all- geoff "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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I prefer dvd vines of any size . for some reason dvd vines just seem to go easier for me then cdr vines . 2 4 6 dvd`s it`s all good with me . Skipping people ,, while i`m here let`s make sure we skip sakparadise AGAIN . this is the second time he vanished with , well i don`t know what vines he killed this time . but he is un responsive at the time . so the let`s skipp list goes as 1) gratefullmikes 2) sakparadise can anyone think of more to add to this list ? feel free .. any objections also feel free to let me know, but I think something like this list should be posted on a regular basis as people vanish and well I don`t feel like going through every thread searching for mia people and posting . Any thoughts on this ? Oh also while i`m here I have had a real shity week and vines leaving me have been a little slow and i want to apoligize for that . Sorry for my tardyness folks .I will now post everything that went out yesturday .
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I am also concerned about Markinthedark. I have e-mailed him and have not heard anything. It is really not like him. He is a wonderful friend and went out of his way to help me and many others. The sign of a grate human being. Hoping all is well with him. Just know his heart is full of love and he is gone now for something that must be really affecting him. He will remain in our hearts and hopes.
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"Say you'll come back when you canWhenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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On MitD and Stuman's list. Although I spoke with gratefulmikes right before I left last week. He's super hard to get a hold of. I don't know, its a tough call, but I wouldn't blame you if you skipped him... BTW I'm back from Rothbury *WOW* and I got a feeling there is a stack of vines waiting for me at the post office. I'll get caught up real soon. Have a grate week... "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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I skipped him on the July 74 vine. Did not receive a PM. Saw he was logged in today as well. Would be nice to get some info..... "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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If someone can`t return a PM they should be skipped , that shows they are unreliable. However we do have some vetrans of the vineyard here that don`t return pm`s but those are reliable ones, That have been here for a while . I almost skipped Brewsterboy once , somone sent me his address and i knew he is reliable . just have to be very observant I guise. and keep everyone posted as to what is going on with folks .
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it's very worrying. MitD, phone home! We miss you!
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My big concern though is the vines he killed already. If that was not the case, I would be a little more patient. I want nothing more then for gratefulmikes to come back to us, figure out his vine situation and become a thriving member of this community free to enjoy and share this music. "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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I dunno about Mike...his heart's in the right place but you've gotta at least let us know what's up...silence is a lot worse....we're all-well most of us are anyway-patient and understanding...a lil communication goes a long way....I'm scared about MitD....I'll poke around in the digital world for him...I miss reading, "Cheers!" :( in is kynd messages. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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communication is key to anything in life weather real time life or the virtual life . And yes I`m also worried abt. Mark , I`ve done some pokin around but did not have any luck findidng him . I really hope he is ok .
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Hi guys, I've got the June '74 and sakparadise is after me; I just PMed him earlier this evening, so he hasn't had time to respond yet, but I note that stuman recently put sakparadise on the "skip" list with gratefulmikes. Has anyone heard anything from sakparadise recently? Thoughts? Bueller? ~~~~~~~ "Goin' home, goin' home, by the waterside I will rest my bones; listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul" "I will walk alone by the black muddy river and sing me a song of my own"
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Nope, sak has been mia. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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If you mean the one with 6/15 and 8/3, I got it 2 days ago. I copied it that night, PM'd Space Otter, and am waiting to hear back.
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Make that 8/4/76
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That's the one. I posted this then DMTT posted that he mailed it. This one is dead. Jai-Alai Fronton, Miami, FL 6/22-23/74 Vine. PM'd Emilee and she said Slimee has it. So 2 from 76 is good. I'm fairly new so I don't want to bitch but for this thing to work people have to post.
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I noticed some confusion with a few vines, Dylan/Dead for instance . you guys have to copy and paste the list from time to time , let`s all try to keep the lists updated . I`m sure your fellow viners would appreciate it .
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To whet your appetites, here is what I am working on: (1) The final 2 parts of the 1977 lossless vine, everything from 6/4-12/31, except for the officially released shows. Part 3 will be posted sometime within the next 2 weeks. I had a problem with a disc and am waiting for someone to send me a replacement. Part 4 will be posted a week after I post Part 3. (2) Part 2 of the 1970 SHN/FLAC vine. I will post it this week. (3) November 1972. Bob's vine died a while back and I have these shows. This is probably my lowest priority at the moment though, so y'all will have to sit tight on this. (4) The rest of 1968. I should soon be receiving just about everything from that year. Bob already vined about 10 shows from 68 in one of the Eurovines. I won't vine those shows and you will need to sign up for both our vines to get everything. The sources will be: gd68-01-20 sbd jools 19470 shn gd68-01-23 sbd jools 20347 shn gd68-01-27 sbd jools 14736 shn gd68-02-02 sbd jools 15801 shn gd68-02-03 sbd jools 14987 shn gd68-05-xx sbd unknown gd68-06-19 sbd cotsman 4511 shn gd68-08-03 flac miller upgrade gd68-08-21 sbd cotsman 17355 shn gd68-08-28 sbd cotsman 18104 shn gd68-09-02 sbd miller 22095 shn gd68-09-02 sbd volkerding 1979 shn gd68-09-20 sbd vernon 5930 shn gd68-10-10 sbd miller 4513 shn gd68-10-13 sbd ed 10910 shn gd68-10-13 sbd gdlive shn gd68-10-30 sbd sacks 1205 shn gd68-12-07 sbd naines 16944 shn gd68-12-16 sbd hartbeats 4529 shn gd68-12-20 sbd tiedrich 9532 shn gd68-12-21 sbd tiedrich 9533 shn Pretty full plate as you can see. If I may, I am still hoping that a kind soul vines the rest of the spring and summer 90 shows, as well as more from 1988 (esp the only 2 shows in which Gentlemen Start Your Engines were played). Rick has put a good dent in 1988, and he and others have supplied a decent amount of 1990 already, but there is more, and too much of anything is just enough.
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of 1974 , it seems to be an illusive year or something ? I love all the new vines , don`t get me wrong . I`m just sayin you don`t see much from "74" .. Everything looks very nice dstache ! Can`t wait !!
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I have most of '74. Anything in particular you are looking for?
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I`ve just noticed that I don`t see much 74 anyplace . I can`t remember the last time i`ve seen any 74 on shn/flac.net or any other download site . I do have some 74 but don`t really know exactly what i have . I`m so disorganized !!
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There are a number of '74 vines circulating . . . More '74, May '74, June '74, July '74, Winterland October 74 . . . ~~~~~~~ "Goin' home, goin' home, by the waterside I will rest my bones; listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul" "I will walk alone by the black muddy river and sing me a song of my own"
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Thank you for reminding me ohyeah , those I know I have .. but it still does`nt seem like a lot compared to other years .