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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • stuman
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    don`t feel bad man
    You explained your intent from the very start of your shn/flac vine series .crap it saves a TON of money on postage ! I had to step away from the NNWL vine because someone converted it , Luckily our freind Andy sent me the dvd`s for that one . And I have been walked through Traders little helper and I have walked others through it too . And I am more then happy to help even more understand it and how it works . Just shoot me a PM I`m more then happy to help anyone ..
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    the Grateful Dead has never been a one-size-fits-all experience, and neither is the Vineyard!
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    I feel a little bad now. As everyone probably knows, I am not trying to exclude anyone. I guess that sometimes once you finally give in and do something, you get to thinking that everyone else has already done it. So when I finally decided to start doing lossless, I figured everyone else did it (or could do it). If you don't have a DVD reader, you can't do it, and if you don't have a burner (a la Hippy) it makes it difficult as you have to burn onto CDs, which hold a lot less. But if you do have a DVD burner, let me tell all you luddites (technophobes) it is SO EASY. People use different software, but I highly recommend Trader's Little Helper. One download. Free. All you need. I don't even have an IPod. I don't have a flat screen. I have a mini stereo system (which ONE DAY will be massively upgraded). I am not into technology. And I did it. Many of the 73 shows I have in my lossless vines have already been vined, either by me in my early Cream Filling vine (11/14, 11/17, 11/20), by Bob in his 73 Eurovine (4 Sept shows), or by others (3/28, 3/31, 5/26). But I am willing to start a few WAV vines containing 3 shows each. WAVers should post here the shows they want vined and I will do that. As for 1977, I am going to let someone else do that. Again, much of 1977 has been vined in WAV (Stache Rides 77, most of the May shows, Winterland 77, Fall 77 Parts 1 and 2). I do feel the need to tell you that from MY EXPERIENCE, it will behoove you to make the switch. I wish I had converted to lossless earlier as I am now slowly trying to replace the WAV shows that I have. The number of people who trade WAV is rapidly shrinking, just as cassette traders have in the past. If you just want to have a small collection, WAV is probably fine. If you want a lot of shows, you definitely should do lossless.
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    I`m with dstache & JackstrawfromCo...
    I have no interest for much of anything in wav format , however i will be adding to a vine here soon that will be in wav format . I don`t have a dvd burner at this time . But yes if someone wants to convert from a large dvd vine , and make a seprate vine out of it thats cool . Maybe just use part of the name of the dvd vine in the name of the wav vine . like 3-18-xx wav from shn/flac #x or something like that . that might help clear some confusion on the folks signing up for the same shows twice thing . I dunno , just a thought .. But yes we can`t exclude the flacless folks here . I beleive dstache has mentioned that once before ..
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    I was going to wait a bit for the smoke to clear from the last new vine installments but am ready to start a May 1981 sbd vine here really soon. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    Marye - That's a tough one
    I have noticed that the larger vines usually contain shows that have already been vined as smaller versions. The only problem with that I see is that you end up signing up for and receiving the smaller vines without realizing that you already have or will have it from the larger vine - so it's kind of a waste in that sense - waste of postage, time etc. That's why I have created my own spreadsheet to keep track of all the shows I have to avoid repeats. I personally enjoy and look for flac/shn vines. I don't really care how big they are as long as it is flac. But for the folks without flac capabilty (and really it is the folks without DVD-roms because it is so simple to convert flacs, that should not be the problem, it's not being able to read the DVD's that's the problem), I understand that they should be able to enjoy these vines too. So I think the only way around that is like Marye suggests (and dstache has mentioned this too) for someone to take the flacs and convert them into smaller (separate) audio CD vines. Problems I see: 1.How would we know someone wants a particular show converted to wav? How would we know to start a new, separate wav vine? Which shows do you convert? 2. You could have a bunch of small vines come off of one large vine - that seems like it could get chaotic, like someone would need to manage that.. 3. There's really no feasible way to convert an entire flac vine into wavs - going from a couple of DVDs to a stack of CDs, that would be an insurmountable amount of work and postage. If I could find a full time job that would pay me to do that ... hmmmm :-) "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    I am all for someone taking a vine, selecting the best shows, converting them to WAV, and vining them. I have asked that my recent vines be lossless ONLY so that the vines will be less cumbersome and expensive to post. But by all means, please convert these vines to WAV and start a NEW vine. If someone does SHN/FLAC, but can't handle a 4 disc vine, I suggest PMing someone who did sign up and offering to trade. I have lost interest in WAV trading but I am always up for lossless trading. I am especially looking for Fall 79, early 80's and Brent 1990 shows.
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    Folks, I'm sure I speak for all of us in giving amazed thanks to dstache and his merry crew for the lossless mega-vines they're putting together. Community, collaboration, and love for the music at its best. Way to go! Some folks have privately expressed concern that these huge vines will stifle the growth of smaller ones and we'll lose folks who aren't set up to handle the big ones--maybe they can only handle CDs, maybe they only want a show or two, and the shows will only be available in the huge collections. I'm not telling anybody what to do here, but it seems to me the fix for that is fairly obvious--someone gets the big vine, excerpts it, and vines that. I'm pretty sure no one here is interested in keeping fellow Vineyard folks from vining in the format of their choice. I mention the issue because it's come up once or twice in the background lately. What you guys want to do about it is up to you! Thanks! ME
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    After checking, I do not believe I am up soon on any vines. I will be out of town 7/31-8/15 and 8/22-8/30. If I lag (more so then usual!) that is why. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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    I looked over my list (this is the smallest its been in months - 26!) and came across vines that are totally dead, trust me, and need to be re-seeded in order for them to continue: 1) 3 from 82 and a 78 too (dead only 3 into the list, sad) I did pm gdhead77 about a re-seed 2) Augusta 10/12/84 3) Buffalo Springfield 4) Santa Fe 83 Then the ones held up by gratefulmikes: 1) Summer 82 2) Greek 84 3) Jimi HendriXmas I spoke with him about a month ago and he was back from being on the road and was going to send out the pile of vines in his possession. Now its a month later and still no movement/communication. Come on gratefulmikes help us out bro! This is just the ones on my list. The overall list is ridiculous. I think dstache has one but I'd also like to consider non-Grateful Dead vines too. Can anybody help re-seed the first 4 on my list?? Please, I'd really appreciate it! I'm always willing to re-seed any lost vines, I just don't have a copy of these yet :( Thanks for your help!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Maybe someone can get a hold of Marks freind that has the kind vegi burittos cook book. have to do some poking around the vineyard history to find her .
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I`m not sure how close of freinds they are but thats what he was posting for a while . I hav`nt attemped contact with her yet .
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If he has any health problems, be they of the physical or mental kind and he is hospitalized you will not be able to find out because that is protected by privacy acts. Hope that is none of these. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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I am going to raft the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon. On the water 16 days. Will be back mid-July. I have sent out all the vines that were here. If any arrive will I am gone I will send as soon as I can when I get back. Thank you all for well wishes for the person in my family that is sick that I have been helping out. She is doing better and a family member will be helping out while I am gone. Happy vining. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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In my vine killers post, I included Brother Tom in the second category and had him being suspected in the slayings of 2 vines, Cream Filling and Matrix # 1 (I think those were the two). I messed up re: Cream Filling as the person AFTER him on that vine, Solix, had posted saying he sent it to T.Crawford. So clearly, Brother Tom did NOT kill that vine. As for the other vine, and I believe I posted this, he was the last person on the vine, and no one else signed up for 2 months after he posted having received it. He has been busy at work and will pass it on ASAP. Sorry BT.
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Thanks for clarifying my non-vine-killing status and for all the great work you do on behalf of our vining community. Sorry, everyone waiting on it, to be a scofflaw and delay that Matrix Vol 1Vine. It's moving soon.In peace, tom
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I will be away from a computer until 6/29. Everything in is mailed out but I am expecting 3 vines to show up soon. If you need my address, I'll respond Monday. Will gitter-done first of next week.
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After today, I will be away for a week for some R&R--back 7/13
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Taking off for Rothbury!! Another Dead show to see, let the adventure begin! I'll be back to any vines I receive while I'm gone on July 8. Happy 4th of July!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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nothing but the best to our brothers and sisters on their journeys... "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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. . . and will tend to the vines after I return early next week. Have a GRATE 4th everybody!! "Come with me or go alone, he's come to take his children home"
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my apologies if my pm`s to some of you ( regarding address comfirmations ) seem a little redundent .. I just want to make sure we are all still here . I know that we have some folks who seemed to have vanish on us AGAIN . If you don`t post on a regular basis or are not a long time resident here I will send pm`s for address comfirmation. If I get no reply then those folks will be skipped. Gotta keep the vines alive !! Don`t want to keep other people waiting . That is all .. Hope you all have a very nice holiday weekend !! Peace and sunshine to you all !! Stu..
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I don't know if he has since passed on the vines that stalled with him. Here is the relevant excerpt from my original post: gratefulmikes appears to have killed at least 8 vines (funiculi funicula, 93 by request, Legion of Mary, Winterland June 77, NYE 83, Summer 82, Greek 84 and LOM Mystery). NOTE THAT he is signed up to soon receive Europe 74 so heads up birdsong1969nj and Jimbo (unclear who has it right now)!!!! He may also have killed Red Rocks 9/8/83 (or Deadhead Ben never sent it to him)
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Should vine like April 71, 5 dvd/flac be in "part" ? I think it move faster in this configuration. Just a suggestion, what do you think?Share the LOVE! Richard.
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Huh? Are you saying you think it is better when the vines are smaller (ie the 1973 SHN/FLAC vines which are 2 DVDs per part) or larger (ie the April 71 which was 5 DVDs)? I have been trying to mix them up. The 1973 SHN/FLAC vines are all 2 DVDs each and the 1970 SHN/FLAC Part 1 (and Part 2 coming soon) and Early 1973 SHN/FLAC, which I just posted, are 4 DVDs each.
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i think vines should only be 2dvd at the most just to keep things moving....
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I think it should be like 2 dvds at the time.
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I like the smaller vines too. I made the 1973 SHN/FLAC vines 2 DVDs, but then the same people were signing up in the same order, so they were going to receive more than 1 2 DVD vine at one time. So I figured I might as well make my next ones 4 DVDs each (1970 SHN/FLAC). When I finally put together the 1977 vines (see 1977 Project thread for more info), I will have to make each part 4 or 5 DVDs, as there will be about 25 DVDs total, and I don't want to do 10 parts. The bigger vines are more efficient in the sense that you only need one package, one trip to the post office and a smaller postage fee. The smaller vines should be quicker for people to turn around.
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...in one vine....the Marye-er.........I agree with Dstache personally....and less installments means less opportunity for vine-death "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Is there a new vine watchdog amongst us? Once upon a time there was a video dvd of Tinley Park from 7/23/90. Jimmy C never received it and his predecessor mailed it without copying it: does SOMEONE have a copy? Regarding gratefulmike, I bumped into him awhile back in Overland Park, KS. I'll see if I can run into him again and get an update on any vine stockpiling he may be experiencing.
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Thanks to all of you that contribute to this community. Thanks to all that oversee at Rhino and especially Marye the wise watchful eye. Most of all thanks to the Grateful Dead for helping me map my course in life, expand my horizons, and basically rock the fuck out. Love to all- geoff "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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I prefer dvd vines of any size . for some reason dvd vines just seem to go easier for me then cdr vines . 2 4 6 dvd`s it`s all good with me . Skipping people ,, while i`m here let`s make sure we skip sakparadise AGAIN . this is the second time he vanished with , well i don`t know what vines he killed this time . but he is un responsive at the time . so the let`s skipp list goes as 1) gratefullmikes 2) sakparadise can anyone think of more to add to this list ? feel free .. any objections also feel free to let me know, but I think something like this list should be posted on a regular basis as people vanish and well I don`t feel like going through every thread searching for mia people and posting . Any thoughts on this ? Oh also while i`m here I have had a real shity week and vines leaving me have been a little slow and i want to apoligize for that . Sorry for my tardyness folks .I will now post everything that went out yesturday .
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I am also concerned about Markinthedark. I have e-mailed him and have not heard anything. It is really not like him. He is a wonderful friend and went out of his way to help me and many others. The sign of a grate human being. Hoping all is well with him. Just know his heart is full of love and he is gone now for something that must be really affecting him. He will remain in our hearts and hopes.
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"Say you'll come back when you canWhenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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On MitD and Stuman's list. Although I spoke with gratefulmikes right before I left last week. He's super hard to get a hold of. I don't know, its a tough call, but I wouldn't blame you if you skipped him... BTW I'm back from Rothbury *WOW* and I got a feeling there is a stack of vines waiting for me at the post office. I'll get caught up real soon. Have a grate week... "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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I skipped him on the July 74 vine. Did not receive a PM. Saw he was logged in today as well. Would be nice to get some info..... "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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If someone can`t return a PM they should be skipped , that shows they are unreliable. However we do have some vetrans of the vineyard here that don`t return pm`s but those are reliable ones, That have been here for a while . I almost skipped Brewsterboy once , somone sent me his address and i knew he is reliable . just have to be very observant I guise. and keep everyone posted as to what is going on with folks .
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it's very worrying. MitD, phone home! We miss you!
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My big concern though is the vines he killed already. If that was not the case, I would be a little more patient. I want nothing more then for gratefulmikes to come back to us, figure out his vine situation and become a thriving member of this community free to enjoy and share this music. "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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I dunno about Mike...his heart's in the right place but you've gotta at least let us know what's up...silence is a lot worse....we're all-well most of us are anyway-patient and understanding...a lil communication goes a long way....I'm scared about MitD....I'll poke around in the digital world for him...I miss reading, "Cheers!" :( in is kynd messages. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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communication is key to anything in life weather real time life or the virtual life . And yes I`m also worried abt. Mark , I`ve done some pokin around but did not have any luck findidng him . I really hope he is ok .
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Hi guys, I've got the June '74 and sakparadise is after me; I just PMed him earlier this evening, so he hasn't had time to respond yet, but I note that stuman recently put sakparadise on the "skip" list with gratefulmikes. Has anyone heard anything from sakparadise recently? Thoughts? Bueller? ~~~~~~~ "Goin' home, goin' home, by the waterside I will rest my bones; listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul" "I will walk alone by the black muddy river and sing me a song of my own"
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Nope, sak has been mia. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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If you mean the one with 6/15 and 8/3, I got it 2 days ago. I copied it that night, PM'd Space Otter, and am waiting to hear back.
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Make that 8/4/76
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That's the one. I posted this then DMTT posted that he mailed it. This one is dead. Jai-Alai Fronton, Miami, FL 6/22-23/74 Vine. PM'd Emilee and she said Slimee has it. So 2 from 76 is good. I'm fairly new so I don't want to bitch but for this thing to work people have to post.
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I noticed some confusion with a few vines, Dylan/Dead for instance . you guys have to copy and paste the list from time to time , let`s all try to keep the lists updated . I`m sure your fellow viners would appreciate it .
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To whet your appetites, here is what I am working on: (1) The final 2 parts of the 1977 lossless vine, everything from 6/4-12/31, except for the officially released shows. Part 3 will be posted sometime within the next 2 weeks. I had a problem with a disc and am waiting for someone to send me a replacement. Part 4 will be posted a week after I post Part 3. (2) Part 2 of the 1970 SHN/FLAC vine. I will post it this week. (3) November 1972. Bob's vine died a while back and I have these shows. This is probably my lowest priority at the moment though, so y'all will have to sit tight on this. (4) The rest of 1968. I should soon be receiving just about everything from that year. Bob already vined about 10 shows from 68 in one of the Eurovines. I won't vine those shows and you will need to sign up for both our vines to get everything. The sources will be: gd68-01-20 sbd jools 19470 shn gd68-01-23 sbd jools 20347 shn gd68-01-27 sbd jools 14736 shn gd68-02-02 sbd jools 15801 shn gd68-02-03 sbd jools 14987 shn gd68-05-xx sbd unknown gd68-06-19 sbd cotsman 4511 shn gd68-08-03 flac miller upgrade gd68-08-21 sbd cotsman 17355 shn gd68-08-28 sbd cotsman 18104 shn gd68-09-02 sbd miller 22095 shn gd68-09-02 sbd volkerding 1979 shn gd68-09-20 sbd vernon 5930 shn gd68-10-10 sbd miller 4513 shn gd68-10-13 sbd ed 10910 shn gd68-10-13 sbd gdlive shn gd68-10-30 sbd sacks 1205 shn gd68-12-07 sbd naines 16944 shn gd68-12-16 sbd hartbeats 4529 shn gd68-12-20 sbd tiedrich 9532 shn gd68-12-21 sbd tiedrich 9533 shn Pretty full plate as you can see. If I may, I am still hoping that a kind soul vines the rest of the spring and summer 90 shows, as well as more from 1988 (esp the only 2 shows in which Gentlemen Start Your Engines were played). Rick has put a good dent in 1988, and he and others have supplied a decent amount of 1990 already, but there is more, and too much of anything is just enough.
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of 1974 , it seems to be an illusive year or something ? I love all the new vines , don`t get me wrong . I`m just sayin you don`t see much from "74" .. Everything looks very nice dstache ! Can`t wait !!
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I have most of '74. Anything in particular you are looking for?
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I`ve just noticed that I don`t see much 74 anyplace . I can`t remember the last time i`ve seen any 74 on shn/flac.net or any other download site . I do have some 74 but don`t really know exactly what i have . I`m so disorganized !!
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There are a number of '74 vines circulating . . . More '74, May '74, June '74, July '74, Winterland October 74 . . . ~~~~~~~ "Goin' home, goin' home, by the waterside I will rest my bones; listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul" "I will walk alone by the black muddy river and sing me a song of my own"
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Thank you for reminding me ohyeah , those I know I have .. but it still does`nt seem like a lot compared to other years .