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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • greeknik
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    Looks like a very interesting set. Good time for the band. But I'm still waiting for the REAL DEAL: The box sets of TEXAS '72 and WINTERLAND '74 (Oct.)!
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    Bold prediction this will sell out after it's been released not sure if a lot alot of people will lay out the $$$ for this set in these hard times...You know they did a lot of 1989 and 1990 releases (a lot of 1990) otherwise they weren't that good although from the 30 tips box set the years they put out shows they were pretty good but I don't think you'll ever see a 1972 release again a whole entire tour..not just a leg...you can't say what will come...I think a lot of us swore we'd see a leg of 1980 shows more spedifically the acoustic/electric sets but my intellect tells me we won't ever see that happen as it would've happened already...unless those tapes haven't surfaced yet maybe someone will clean out their cellar one day and find soundboards...this is a great find this 1978 box set more spedifically the red rocks shows...but we'll see what happens in the future but you can't be unhappy with the progress of releases...we are definitely not hungry for more material but are left wondering what could be next...like the next dave's pick will be...some people already know.
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    This is a very exciting box set for several obvious reasons. The legendary Red Rocks show and the implications of lost Betty Boards being returned to the vault. I've never heard any of these July '78 shows, so I'm really into this release. The question will be if I manage to fund a purchase before it's sold out. I definitely agree that a May '77 part 2 would make perfect sense for it's 40th anniversary next year, assuming those tapes can also get or have already been returned. However, I would probably be just as excited to see a 5/9/77 DaP 20 to round off the year. So... whatever. Just keep the hits coming.
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    Last I checked the count of 60s & 70s vs. 80s & 90s last year was Dead even last year. 30 Trips had 17 shows from the 80s & 90s, while the 60s & 70s had 13 in that set (add the four Dave's Picks from last year and you get 17 from the 60s & 70s). There is no problem, just petulant children. 80s/90s beggars - put your bowls away.
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    I get the complaint about Dave shutting out the 80's/90's (and '66-'68). I share it. But with the Bettys back on board, I'd expect a slew of new '71-'78 stuff. Big tent, legendary type shows. Mickey's last show, the first of the ESP run (2/18/71). Kezar '73. Cornell & Buffalo '77. Summer '76. Fall '73. And Red Rocks '78 belongs in that pantheon. Especially 7/8/78. Point being, a release of 7/8/78 isn't the proper time to complain about the lack of 80's releases. Do that when we have an 'average' show from the '69-'78 era, not a legendary one. Would I like some more '89, '85, '87? Yes. Or even '88/'80? Yes. '66-'68? Yes. Even '91 or '81. ('90 is pretty well represented). But when 7/8/78 comes out, I'm not complaining, I'm celebrating. This is as good as the GD gets.
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    Appreciate the kind words on my recollections. Thanks.....
    A while back I reread some books I have regarding the Dead, and tucked into one book, I found this quote from Jerry "I thought that maybe this idea of transforming principle has something to do with it. Because when we get onstage, what we really want to happen is, we want to be transformed from ordinary players into extraordinary ones, like forces of larger consciousness. And the audience wants to be transformed from whatever ordinary reality they may be, into something a little wider, something that enlarges them. So maybe it's the notion of transformation, seat of the pants shamanism, that has something to do with why the Grateful Dead keeps pulling them in. Maybe that is what keeps the audience coming back for and what keeps it fascinating for us too." So, I still can't recall everything that Jerry and I talked about that February morning almost 4 decades ago, but in a microcosm, it involved that same synergistic effect; I was so excited to talk to him, Jerry became jazzed to talk about art and symbols/mysticism (probably a break for him having to talk about the Dead & music, etc.), and while sharing our conversation, our interaction took on its own power. It took on it's own moment. I think that is what it was like when we joined with the Dead at those shows, their pouring out this unfathomable energy in that moment. And us in the audience rising in response with our collective surge pushing energy back to the Dead, which then propelled them to greater heights of aural adventure. Maybe I am just rambling on,.. but you know that the Grateful Dead did often get that 'dragon' off the ground, and into flight, with us all then levitating in the Dead's tow/draft. We were part that remarkable mixture of music + magic + visuals + adventure = alchemy. Then as we would watch/listen, with our mouths agape, as each of the Dead would tease, the improvisation, their 'call and response', Jerry's cascading leads ('catch me if you can'), Bobby's shimmering rhythm guitar, Phil's bass runs/bombs (that changed the very atmospheric pressure), Keith's keyboard interplay, Billy and Mickey's primal percussion then mutating into complex and compelling syncopation, urging and propelling the band further... and the bard Hunter's lyrics, that poetry, those revelations,...that song...and we would roar and exhort the Dead and pour that fervor into our tribal stomp and collective howl. And suddenly the moment slows and extends and everything becomes quite still, and that voice "nothing you can hold for very long..." .....And then all of us stumble out into that crystalline cool evening. Sad eyes, heads shaking, and smiles which alternated between satiation and longing for more. The truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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    That 7.7 pre-drumz list....
    ....sounds interesting. Cold Rain, BIODTL, Scarlet -> Fire, Dancin -> Drumz. Had to read that twice before I got it....
  • Shafts Of Lavender
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    I'm real excited for this release and pre-ordered immediately. I'm most looking forward to the 7/1 show, I wonder how the country fans reacted to Terrapin. I think this will be the only box set of the year despite the curiously early release date because people are still recovering from the massively expensive (and massively great) year 2015 was. The last digital 30 trips release just barely sold out and in one of Dave's earlier chats this year he said it wouldnt be an overwhelming year box set wise. That being said, I'd be all in for a fall box set....
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    No wilfredtjones, not in Omaha, it was that 77-78 NYE show in
    San Francisco at the Winterland, where I gifted the 'dragon' to Jerry. And then a month or so later I got to talk with him after that monster Madison Show (February of 78). Omaha was that summer. If I could repeat myself for those who haven't heard this before (my 3 sons are groaning loudly, they have heard this tale so many times), but here he (I) goes again.....many years ago, in a galaxy far far away, called Nebraska........ Back in 1977, my girlfriend (now wife), myself, and two buddies decided to road-trip from Lincoln Nebraska to the Winterland for the New Year's Eve run of shows in San Francisco. I toted along with us a clay sculpture that I had made the prior year. It was a one and 1/2 foot (in circumference) dragon that was biting/consuming it's own tail. I had 'scraffitto' (carved designs) into the entire beast's 'hide' and then it was fired and stained. It was the biggest piece of clay sculpture that I have ever made. And I thought it would be fun to give it to the band on New Years. So away we go, get to the venue and secured tickets for the run (12/27-29-30-31-77). The shows were unbefuckinliveable and Winterland was such a great hall. But on the 31st, we were sitting on the sidewalk waiting for the doors to open, talking and watching the circus, ready to hurry and get in for the 'activities' ie. freak volleyball and Bill Graham was going to show us movies (Ray Bradbury's Illustrated Man and the original Beatles Magical Mystery tour) before that evening's show. I thought "I better try to unload the dragon aka 'Oroboros' now, it's heavy and I don't want to try to talk my way though the front gate with it." I spied a door that said 'Backstage' and began knocking on the door. No answer. The line of people on the side walk started getting up and moving toward the entrance. Banged even harder thinking "I've got to get this dragon in there so I can go in the front and join in before the show", and as I pounded harder, the door yanks open so hard that it yanks me into the doorway. This doorway is immediately filled with a gigantic black man in a red event t-shirt, who puts his hand on my chest and leans forward and bellows "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" Startled, I held out the dragon with both hands and stuttered "to give this to the band". The giant took it in his immense hand and his face curls into a grin as he held it closer to inspect it and I watched my dragon shrink to the size of a key chain. He exclaimed "Wow, what is this, I'd like one" and I explained "it's an oroboros and that is the only one there is." He grinned and said "Cool, who do you want me to give it to?" and I said "to Garcia, give it to Jerry Garcia." The giant disappeared as quickly as he appeared and the door slammed shut like the the first time Dorothy tried to get into the Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz. So, I happily gain entrance to the show and needless to say, it was something, 'freak volleyball' followed by the movies, Graham's copy of Bradbury's 'Illustrated Man' followed by a 16 mm Beatles "Magical Mystery Tour". The colorful/wonderful crowd, 'rainbow' Rose with an eyedropper of liquid party favor "just one dollar per drop. On your tongue or for the adventurous, a drop in your eye". Oh, and when each person walked through the entrance the staff handed us a piece of paper that had a message about a "Good things come to those who wait, surprise at midnight" with steal your face logo. When you entered Winterland, you could go into the big 'hall' surrounded on all sides by an elevated balcony, (with theater seats). You could also go into a bar, which played some black and white videos on a 'big screen' taken from pro shots of the Winterland stage when Hendrix or Airplane or etc played. Very entertaining on many levels. Hey, the New Riders of the Purple Sage are starting, got to get in there, the sound is loud and they are rocking the house. Anticipation was high and the Dead came out for the first set. Our party favors are now starting to engage..., things began to sparkle, and the old Winterland venue takes notice, and her walls start to sweat and, then to sway with the strains of familiar music as the Dead coax this old hall to dance with us all. This is such a delight, I know the vista cruiser is engaged and then I notice when the house lights went down, and the stage lights went dark in between songs, then I saw it. On top of a monitor, in between Billy and Mickey, there was a flame, it was a white candle sitting in front of a dragon consuming it's tail. It was Oroboros, ON STAGE WITH THE DEAD! I watched as Jerry walked over and lit a cigarette off the candle by the beast. They took a break and the surprise for the second half was Uncle BoBo (as Bobby liked to call Graham) dressed up as Uncle Sam on a motorcycle sliding down on a cable suspended high from the back of the hall to the stage. They put spotlights on him as he approached the stage and it was hilarious. Because as Graham came to the stage, the weight of the bike and BoBo was too much and the stage hands had to rush out and drag him onstage and then to the explosion of Sugar Mag, complete with dropping balloons and babies girl and boy New Years dancing at the each edge of the stage. I was 'sittin' on top of the world (Dead reference intended). What a night!! If you pull up 'YouTube', NYE show 1977- Fire on the Mountain video, right at the end of Fire on the Mountain, the camera does zoom in on the 'oroboros' for a couple of seconds. RDevil here on Deadnet found that 'view' and clued me into it. From then on my 3 sons knew I wasn't bullshittin' because I showed it to them! Anyway, what a treat that run in 1977 was. At many levels, the return of China Cat-Rider, my being able to 'gift' our band, who poured out so much to us. But unknown to me, the best would be yet to come. We walked out into the cool San Francisco early morning and drove through the fog back to Nebraska. This is not the end of the tale. Fast forward to another road trip to Madison, Wisc. on 2-3-78. The Dead were on a roll and it was really a killer show. That Cold Rain and snow to start and the tremendous second half with Estimated>Eyes>Wheel (if I recall correctly). Disparage 1978 at your own risk. I was at Windterland and other shows in 1977 and still treasure those 78 shows I was lucky enough to attend. The next morning before I left the hotel, I got a wild hair and called the front desk and asked "Could I have Jerry Garcia's room please?" and the phone rang and Jerry answered! I said "Hey, I'm the guy that brought the dragon to the New Year's show" and Garcia said "Meet you in the coffee shop in 20 minutes". I couldn't believe what was happening but stumbled into the coffee shop at the appointed time and looked around and saw Jerry Garcia seated at a table with a ravishingly beautiful raven-haired gypsy woman. I walked over and introduced myself, and 'shook the hand, that shook the hand, of PT Barnum and Charlie Chan'. Jerry beamed that smile and gestured and said "sit down, man". He asked me "How did you fire that dragon so that it didn't explode in the kiln?" and I explained how I had cut it in half and hollowed it out and then joined it back together. I told him how I had used a guitar string to 'halve it" and we locked eyes at that moment and he burst into laughter and I said "Ironic, huh?" and Jerry quipped "No, man that makes perfect sense." And then we laughed some more. Then the gypsy/beauty said "where are you from?" and I replied Nebraska. And she shot Garcia a glance and stated "he came all the way up here from Nebraska to see the band!" To which Jerry shrugged his shoulders and retorted "we didn't ask him to come" and looked at me and we both howled with laughter again. No deadhead was she. We talked more about art and the dragon and I didn't know at that time of Garcia's interest and practice in art (this kind anyway). He was completely engaged in the topic of art, but quick witted with 'turn on a dime' twists, turns, and little commentaries on a variety of topics. Jerry was also focused on listening, not acting like he was the important one, giving me time and locked in on our discussion and talking about our shared interests. The gypsy woman frowned in disbelief as she asked me "You went out to San Francisco for New Years and then came to Wisconsin" and I said 'yes' and then I turned to Garcia and asked him "Why don't you bring the circus back to Lincoln, Nebraska?" He quickly replied "You mean to Perishing Auditorium?" And I corrected him "No, it is Pershing Auditorium, after the army general" and he quickly retorted "No man, it was perishing, really!" And we both burst out laughing again. At that Lincoln, Ne. Dead show on 2-26-73, there were a bunch of drunk frat boys yelling 'boogie, boogie" at the top of their lungs.., but that show is top-notch! Anyway, I asked Garcia "could you bring the Dead back to Nebraska" and Jerry grinned that Cheshire cat grin and said "who knows?" I took my leave (their breakfast arrived) and drove home. Then that summer the Dead came back to Omaha, Ne. on 7-5-78, and I taped them with my NAK 550 in FOB, and followed them to their/my first Red Rocks shows. What a run! So that is my story, Jerry Garcia was totally gracious, engaging, enthusiastic, and kind to a deadhead who approached him at one moment in time. I know, I repeat myself, such is my lot in life at this juncture, but thought I would 'complete the circle' of this story. See furthur down the thread for my account of these shows when Jerry did bring the boys back to NE (after KC and St. Paul) and then their (and my) maiden voyage at Red Rocks. I don't recall if I ever shared that Bob Weir had taken to wearing a full-head Werewolf mask when the band came out to encore with Werewolves of London. I remember seeing that mask in Chicago, and several other 1978 shows, St. Paul? Red Rocks? It was hilarious as he struggled to see/play/sing and the other guys goofing off him (Kinda like the boys in masks playing Big Boss Man cica 1972 in Europe). Not easy to do, but he was a pretty funny visual and really got us all into howling 'aaahoooooo' back to the band and Bobby. Hey Deadicated, wasn't Bobby wearing that mask in St. Paul? Didn't someone shoot off a firecracker in the hall during that show? Or maybe I just had a synapse....;o} Anyway, sorry for the repeat, but 'looks like the old man is getting on'.. And may you all get those shows you want and/or attended released soon complete with the Plantagenet treatment/process in the near future! This set shows it obviously CAN happen. I am taken aback. "It ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, it is what I know for sure, that ain't so". -Mark Twain
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    I've never met anybody. Once walking in NYC with a group, everyone turned around looking and I was like, "what?",,, everybody was that was Dave Winfield. I think that was the name big baseball player in the day. Walked right past him, never saw him. Closest I've ever came to meeting a celeb.
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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Those pagans knew how to cook up some holiday's.. Thanks for the history lesson. D.Davis, great BCT nugget in your blog.. Brent was wasted, so what. They play that show from time to time on SiriusXM. Its got its moments. Can't believe you were living walking distance to the BCT.
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Gary - hope you enjoy that '79 one all over again! Another released one that I think is killer is the Hartford '90 TOO box. Very powerful start to the show and the energy sets the tone for much of the first set. Regretfully I had to pass on the 30 trips but that '79 Dancin>Franklins was also released on that 1st road trips and I think its funky synth awesome... totally shows what Brent brought to the table.
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Have had 90too for 6+ months and havent opened it yet. I am so ready...Did the dancin franklins tonight, funky
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Agree with my fellow Washingtonian Stoltzfus, 8.28.81 - Long Beach, best Shakedown.
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....happened to me earlier today. Broke out Queen's Sheer Heart Attack and Metallica's Ride The Lightning....both classics....
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Interesting topic...For me, I never tire of 1972. Coincidentally, It's also the year I have the most recordings/partial shows of (looks like 37). However, I am especially smitten with the 30 Trips Winterland Tax Day 1970 show. This and Harpur College(Dick's Picks Vol 8) a few weeks later, are in my estimation, amongst their best ever performances(the Winterland Dancin' is incredible), and I'd love to hear a Dave's Picks, or a box from this part of 1970. Looking forward to hearing the '78 box. Say, isn't it kinda early in the year for the annual Boxset to appear? 15,000 copies also seems a tad high, so I don't expect it to sell out quickly(no resale market)...will make great Xmas present too. Has anyone else tried to access a lyric on the "Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics by David Dodd" an got an error page. Sad if this excellent resource has been lost in the ether.
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Underrated because of it's uneven performances. 5/10-11/78 is one of my least-listened-to releases. It's not BAD, it's just got nothing that jumps out at me. 4/24/78 is another that I don't pick up very often (although TMNS and Scarlet-Fire are top-notch on that one). Really love 2/3-5/78, 4/22/78, 5/14/78, and 12/31/78. And, of course, this box promises to get a lot of play. 7/7-8/78 have long been favorites, and this sample from 7/1 has me very excited. Regarding the best Shakedown, the one on RT 1.1 always jumped out at me; a GREAT performance in an otherwise lackluster release.
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the Shakedown from Road Trips 4.4 (4/6/82) has the most listens in my google play account. It's pretty funky..
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I don't think I've been this happy in a long time. Thanks Dead.net! :-)P.S. I visited Red Rocks last week and definitely felt the magic there. Wow!!
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I don't know if I do absorb so much stuff. I just listen to a lot of stuff, not a lot of most, but some of all. I can sit at the computer and drop 30 different things in the playlist that have nothing to do with each other. I can be listening to Al Jolson's "Anniversary Song", swing over to Ice-T's "Mind over Matter", and many other non connected songs. Just got in (used from amazon) "The Many Faces of The Detergents", because I wanted to hear "Double-O-7" and I only have it in a 45. Bonus - Had a song (instrumental) called "The Blue Kangaroo" on it. I have this in a 45 also, hadn't thought of it in 45 years, but when it played I was like "wow". Sometimes when I'm working in the yard or garage I'll put on everything from an artist and hit shuffle. Hell I got albums of French "yeye" (60's French pop that I play and I don't speak French! (but I did recognize Noir C'est Noir) Back in the LP days when someone was over I pull out an album and say "you gotta hear this", that song was barely over and I'd be pulling another album out for something else they had to hear. When they left there be 30 albums out. A lot of times I don't even finish a song when my brain makes a connection to some other song to play. I don't know I can't explain it. I ALWAYS have a song playing in my head, ALWAYS! Also while listening to almost non-stop songs, I'm always listening to an audio book. When doing neither I'm generally watching old movies on TCM. In any event, check out your ILL, sometimes I search the ILL just for "box set" or "collection" or "greatest hits". I figure if I'm gonna pay a 2.50 fee, I might as well get as much as I can. Got a great Duke Ellington collection that way, 24 cd's. Have a bunch of Odetta coming in, based on talks in this forum. Somebody else mentioned Stan Kenton, found a half-dozen of his albums available. So much music, so little time. What a great time to live in if varied music is your thing. I remember when I was young I hit a department store (like Bradlees or Grants or Two Guys) and there be only two long bins of choices, then Sam Goody's came along and I was like wow, then I found Sam Goody's could ORDER albums for you, double wow. Then Amazon,,,,, Heaven! Then the library and ILL, free heaven! If any interest in doing some trading PM me.
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away by 10/12/84. Heard the Stranger last evening...shazam! 8484848484848484848484 please dave big box i predict will be GREEK BOX that would be a nice box
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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I like 6/30/85, Dead Set, and 11/24/78 versions of Shakedown best, but I haven't heard too many - wish there more released from the Keith Godchaux era, because while Egypt '78 is good, it's the only official one with him on it. I saw a post about someone only going to buy the Red rocks show, not the whole box - now THAT is some discipline! I approached Europe 72 that way, and before I knew it I had them all. Speaking of Europe 72, I listened to most of 4/7, the starter show today. Greatest Story is rockin'. So is China Cat, Truckin' TOO, and there's a really cool Wharf Rat. Ramblin Rose & Sugar Mags excellent - This show doesn't get talked about much, but it's great!
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This has been bothering me for a while and just curious if anyone has any input. When people bring up the amount of "limited" edition numbers (such as the 15,000 in this case of the 78 Box) and their ooncerns it just makes me shake my head sometimes. For example the Fare Thee Well Tour you had hundreads of thousands of people willing to shell out money for tickets to the show, plane tickets, Hotel reservations, rental cars, food, and all the other extras which runs into at least a thousand or more dollars, that these things don't sell out faster. To me the music is a no brainer you have that for the rest of your life. It also amazes me when I get talking to someone about the band because of a shirt or hat the other party is wearing and they show all this enthusiam and I ask a simple question like "what do you think of the Daves Pick series and they say what's that?? I scratch my head. This has happened not once or twice but a lot of times. Sorry for my little bitch session....I just apreciate how a lot of you are well versed and really dive into the releases that happen here and that we are very lucky to have no matter what year it is from.
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A lot of people I talked to who were at Fare Thee Well seemed like they wanted to be there so they could say they went and not so they could go. Those were the same people that complained about the Dead and co. shows because "the band said that was it, and I spent all this money to go now I wasn't at the last show (spoiled sobbing)." Unfortunately many still go just for the party and the bragging right, not the music.
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Kevin, you yourself are part of a limited edition. We are incurably fanatical about this band, but we are limited in number. There are many, many more who enjoy the music but are not so interested as to visit this site on a near-daily basis. Of course, if you don't come here, you don't buy most of the music releases because they are only available through this site. In fact, if you don't visit this site, the chances are you do not know of the existence of the Dave's Picks series etc. Then again, if you are not fanatical then you would probably have little interest in multiple releases of live performances from 20-50 years ago. Rhino are fully aware of the situation, which is why when a real gem gets released (Sunshine daydream, Wake up to find out, the forthcoming Red Rocks etc.) they also put these out to retail - Amazon and the like - because these releases are likely to be of interest to the more casual Dead fan and they will sell more copies. Rhino also know very well how many units will sell, which is why they only produce a certain number. Putting things like "Limited edition" in big letters at the top of the page means everyone is somewhat panicked into buying quickly, but they are targetting the same limited number of die-hards that you and I are part of. I suspect that our numbers are always lower than the numbers produced and it then takes awhile to sell the rest of the production run. Reseller/scalper interest will also have an effect on how quickly a limited edition sells out.
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Dire hit it right on the head, to large numbers it's only the image of the scene. The people who talk thru whole shows, the guy who's past out thru the whole show from heavy drinking all day (only to wake up to yell "Jerry" during the quietest part of a song) But this is really a part of modern life (maybe it's always been that way) to be seen doing "hip" or "cool" things. (is only hip or cool because we like it?) Then again, most people don't buy music in bulk, period. When at other peoples house check and see how much they have. Most don't have much. Sometimes I think books are even lower on the have side. My wife is a reader and I can tell you we have BOOKS! Greatest invention for those people "kindle". Now she has tons of books she carries with her. For me it was the invention of MP3, the only proof of a god I know of :-) Fortunately with the advent of internet it's easy to find people who share an interest (whatever it may be). I'm lucky that I have several people in my life who have a passion for music (not all deadheads, but like a lot of music), but I push to find these people and seek to find what music moves people. I'm always singing and talking in song to flesh out where people stand. My neighbor behind me (who I don't have a lot in common with) would talk 50's groups and early 60's groups all the time. He wouldn't know a pink Floyd song, but he'd know a coasters song. Sorry rambling again,, but Dire you pulled the perfect line out, it's 1 in 10,000....
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GFar it appears I am a little late to this party but it seems our Super-Brain has reared it's mighty head in some form on these Shakedowns. I'm not so familiar with some of the early/mid-80's Shakedowns being offered but they sound like they pack the requisite punch. For a great Keith-flavored Shakedown, I always enjoyed these two from late '78. The first, Jerry has laryngitis, but it is a pretty sweet Shakedown out of Estimated - 11/24/78. Keith is prominent: https://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-24.pre-fm.miller.87642.sbeok.flac… This second one is pretty super-funky with Jerry making some mad runs in the jam at the end, again Keith quite prominent, 11/20/78: https://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-20.sbd.miller.95244.sbeok.flac16 Rainy Monday in Boston, looking forward to some spring-like weather around here sooon. Sixtus
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Surprised no mention of 11.20.78 - Cleveland Music Hall - what a sequence - 5 stars 12.30.78 - Pauley Pavilion, UCLA - Killer set, killer show from near the end of era. One of the finest shows before a New Years gig Nearly a year later, a return to Pauley Pavilion at UCLA would bring another killer set, killer show - 11.25.79 - Lots of primo stuff here along with a 2nd set opener "Shakedown Street -> Bertha", dont miss this one A week and half later, far from the sunshine of LA, "Shakedown Street" is performed for the faithful - 12.5.79 - Uptown Theatre - Chicago, IL. One of the finest from the era
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Yes, 11/20 sounds pretty good, although I don't have a great copy of it. I would listen to more versions if I had more great sounding copies. As it stands, 11/24 out of Estimated is the best sounding one I have. My exact point though - it would be awesome if they released more shows with Shakedown from the Godchaux era. I doubt very much they would ever do something like, but it would be cool to have (i.e. multiple live versions of the same song on one CD). As it stands, we only have 1 Shakedown Street, 1 From the Heart of Me, and 3 Stagger Lee / I Need A Miracle. As they just released DaP 15 and July '78 box is on the horizon, I doubt we'll hear much new '78 for quite some time. So how about some Jan / Feb '79 for DaP 20........
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Is everybody else getting charged for this right when they order? In the past I remember them charging me when it shipped. I now have a charge that isn't just pending, but went through awhile back on my card. Is this the new way they're doing these pre-orders?
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Kevin, I've wondered the same thing about that disparity. I do not disagree with direwulf and Dennis - but I do think there is a more positive reason for many people who go to shows like FTW, but don't come to this site, know about archival releases, etc: I suspect for many it's a matter of choosing direct experience over recordings. One could even say it's more positive - I wonder about my collecting mania when it comes to these releases. I like having the release for years to come, makes sense to me. But, to others that may seem misguided, since it also limits my budget for live concerts in the here and now. I'd rather hear the 1978 band or the 1981 band over the 2015 band - but I totally understand the opposite view - why listen to old recordings when you can go to a show? I've had people express amazement that I would spend 100 bucks on a box set, but they'll drop that amount on drinks and apps at a pub without blinking - which to me feels like burning money. It's all good...
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Match that up against anything you have ever heard and tell me which reins supreme. And just for sharing...where the heck is 1980 Alaska; High Auditorium? I write Dave all the time and he never responds. Might be the absolute tightest you hear of the boys - Black Peter, Stella, Estimated and so on! For the novelty could we please get the '83 Jamaica show? I heard it wasn't so great (430AM-7AM on an airplane strip), but I would like to own it. '78 is quietly better to me than '77 because they condense to smaller venues. Give me '78, '80, '82 from post 1975. Puff
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can`t remember when for me was the last time to drink down a hundred bucks - i count in CDs and books , so that means an average of 4-6 CDs or 3 - 5 hardcover books. OOps i forgot , i`m a smoker still and a pack of cigs cost an average of 5 bucks here....well , i`d do both - go to shows of Bobby and Phil and collect the old stuff but i can`t here in Austria....
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i`m still thankful - Dennis sent me a Furthur show via Dropbox - for some new technical stuff and yet frustrated cause there are some new medias i have problems to get by with and - what counts more - haven`t got the time to digitalize my physical collection of thousands of CDs and LPs. I know i`ll have to soon - otherwise i risk that in the future a good portion of the discs has scars et c.
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Yep, sad to say everyone is getting charged when they order rather than at shipping time. I contacted customer service about this and they replied: "Due to the various payment issues with the Fare Thee Well box set, the company has decided to capture the funds of the pre-orders the morning after they are placed. We had quite a few issues where the item was shipped, but the funds were not captured due to expired authorizations, insufficient funds, etc." This raises a number of issues, but I didn't consider it reasonable to charge for expensive items such as this weeks before the item is released, so I contacted Dr. Rhino on the matter and although he didn't have a lot to say, he did say this: "There may be exceptions to this policy, for certain future releases. We will also review our communications, regarding the implementation of this policy." So there you have it. Typically we will now be charged when we place a (pre)order rather than at shipping time.
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Saw the Experience Hendrix 2016 show last Friday at Casino Ballroom in Hampton Beach NH. Always a good show. Featured guitarists: Dweezil Zappa, Quinn Sullivan, Eric Johnson, Zakk Wylde, Jonny Lang, Mato Nanji, Kenny Wayne Shepard, Buddy Guy. If they do a summer tour - check it out... Quinn Sullivan is a 16 year old kid from New Bedford MA, very impressed with his skills at that age. Zakk was Wylde.
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attended and remember being underwhelmed...it was first show since my first show 7/18/82. listening to it today on archive. sounds better than I recall (33 years later)
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I see my friends do it all the time, but when it comes to spending on money with other stuff, HAHA you better not ask them At the local bar I go to quite often, yesterday a regular noticed my Grateful Dead shirt while he was smoking and said "the Grateful Dead !" I smiled and said "you like the tee huh ?" http://www.gdao.org/items/show/283747 He quickly leaned down to lift his jeans above ankle to show he has a killer tattoo with skeleton wearing top hat smoking cigar. Just looking at his tattoo I could tell he was a true fan, but I would certainly bet money he has no idea of the new releases, Daves Picks and other box sets. Definetely not the first person I have encountered at this bar that is a fan of GD, but does not really keep tabs on them lately
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When you mentioned this show and a Charlie miller soundboard I had to check my copy and see if it was up to snuff,,, it was. Though all the talk is Shakedown I turned to It Must Have Been the Roses. Has this song gotten much talk? I love this song, the feeling of nostalgic melancholy really grabs hold and I like older Jerry voice on it, it's softer and has more "looking back" in it. I have wondered over the years,,, is Annie dead? Did she lay down from being overworked and past? I feel the people are not moneyed since glass is missing from the window. Time has certainly passed since the ribbons have faded. And what do you think she told him? (if I tell another what your own lips told to me) Is it just "I love you"? Great song.
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Do the GD almost always follow a "sad" song with a "happy" song?
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In my not too knowledgable opinion, I don't consider any GD songs sad. The slow songs, ballads perhaps, always strike me as reflective. Like Days Between for instance- a song that is full of wisdom and imagery. It doesn't seem like a "sad" song- more like a wise song. My interpretation is do the GD often follow a slow song with a faster paced song- and yes they do. Suppose it's part of the ebb and flow that make the concerts such a great experience.
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A few months ago I had a great moment. My son, 26 years old with a good musical ear, but not a Dead Head, heard a Shakedown I had from somewhere. He came running into my room and said "Where has this been my whole life"! All I could do was smile, smile, smile! Rock on
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Purple - that's hilarious - I do that to (counting in CDs, books, etc). Of course, now that I have a kid I also count in things like tuition savings, ha. But in my head, it will also be in units of music and reading. As for spending 100 bucks in a pub, oh it's easy. Buy a few drinks for friends, round of apps... doesn't take long (but okay, maybe 50 bucks!). My wife's aunt had an extra ticket to see Kansas the other night at a wonderful old theater here in western Mass (they were actually fantastic - some super tight prog-rock, I enjoyed the hell out of it). Since I didn't pay for my ticket, I bought one drink for myself, and a total of three glasses of wine for the folks who gave me the ticket. That cost me 36 bucks! when you count the tips (this was a fundraiser but still). ...
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Hey Puffbecker - good call on the Alaska box. I've been whining about that for years, bring on "The Grateful Dead in the Land of the Midnight Sun." I love that run. And Deadegad's September '79 box too! :)
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The Beer tastes have grown and changed over the years . I think the possible scenario is they had plenty of production time for everything from (from encrypting the cds to printing up the books and/or programs)a. The orders start coming in and sales look pretty good. Then it's learned San Jose'(?) isn't going to be included and then to add insult to injury concerts with BW,BK,MH and John Mayer are announced. In order to say "Fare Thee Well"" you have to go somewhere! I think Rhino jumped the gun on this one and started production of the components before everything was known and well thought out.
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Interesting take on Must Have Been the Roses; in fact I had never given it very much thought but your idea of death is an interesting one and it seems you're not the first to think this. A brief search brought this up on a like-minded board: http://gratefuldead.tribe.net/thread/2a059d9a-2516-4f22-9dbc-52d39ef5a8… And in terms of playing slower songs followed by more upbeat songs, as mentioned by Zuck, this was a pretty conscious decision by the band and would help with those peaks and valleys they led us All through. Makes for some sweet juxtapositions and tugging at your soul. I almost always find, too, that these 'slower songs', when played well, will crescendo into something nearly explosive - a power that only the GD could summon regularly. Sixtus
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The Beer tastes have grown and changed over the years, but it's still fun to have one every now and then I think the possible scenario is they had plenty of production time for everything (from encrypting the cds to printing up the books and/or programs). The orders start coming in and sales look pretty good. Then it's learned San Jose'(?) isn't going to be included and then to add insult to injury concerts with BW,BK,MH and John Mayer are announced. In order to say "Fare Thee Well"" you have to go somewhere! I think Rhino jumped the gun on this one and started production of the components before everything was known and well thought out. I think it's more than likely they'll have box a sets for some time to come...
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I gotta agree with Mr stulzfus. A bad Shakedown is hard to find. I listened to 4 Shakedowns this morning with my coffee, (6/30/85, Egypt, 8/13/79, 3/30/87) and every one of them sounded fantastic. Trying to pick one over the other would have been splitting a very fine hair.
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Living where I do, I have the opportunity to entertain a lot. Usually interesting people but not necessarily heads.. I get the what do you see in the GD question a lot. Most people just don't get it and when you do put it on, they talk over it anyway.. so I don't give it much attention these days, but if someone asks me to put it on, I will and if I'm in the mood I will put it on just because I want to. So one of my buddies came to me about a month ago and said, "Hey.. they played this GD song on the radio on my way home from work that I really liked. It sounded a bit disco." I replied Shakedown Street and got a YES, that's the song answer. For some reason that song does have a crossover appeal, even people that despise disco like it and refer to it as having a disco beat. I will call that the hbob factor. Even the Dukes of September covered it. Oh, I agree with the others, its hard to find a bad shakedown. So long as Jerry keeps his vocals together, it always has the potential to be a smoker.
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