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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • #201
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    Why is this still on sale?
    I can only answer for myself, and it's very simple; DiP 18 and, if i felt I needed any more than that, Red Rocks is available separately. on a separate note; does anyone know, is Betty getting her dues; I and several others have asked, and I haven't seen any kind of response at all. If not, surely a Pledge page would be good; or is there already one up? Anyone know?
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    Kayak Guy hit the nail on the head
    "This should make Rhino happy, the release of widely circulated Betty shows does better than the Betty's that never circulated.Maybe all those years of circulation gave people a taste of what they are willing to pay for now and the stuff that stayed hidden is too unknown to buy?" This is very insightful indeed. I can see no other explanation for the disparity.
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    Taking the threads back from the hackers
    This page for a while was filled with hackers posting away. when i translated some of it through google before it was cleaned up, it was polish slang for "i like this place" and "these people are funny". This set rocks BIGLY, you should consider yourselves lucky its still available for cost and still numbered editions. If you don't have it yet, it's worth the money and the artwork is fantastic, in the style of a graphic novel. Compared to other recent boxes that feature Normanized versions of Betty's that have been in circulation for 30 years, This July 78 box has 4 unreleased Betty's, well 3 and a Stereo upgrade from the mono that circulated. This should make Rhino happy, the release of widely circulated Betty shows does better than the Betty's that never circulated. Maybe all those years of circulation gave people a taste of what they are willing to pay for now and the stuff that stayed hidden is too unknown to buy? In any event if you haven't got it yet, you really should grab this box before it sells out and it becomes speculative on ebay, if just for the box and artwork.
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    The Bigger Question is....
    Why has this not sold out, its fantastic. Yes.. music today and the constant Russian Hackers is a big part of the reason, the other part is beyond an initial rollout strategy, they have no involvement. For the longest time this thread faded was not even prevalent from the home page of dead.net. I'm not complaining, I have mine and love it.. I just come to this thread from time to time and think wtf?
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    Why is this still on sale?
    You all have good guesses, as good as mine, which is. The real reason this is still available is the meltdown of Music Today shortly after the release, the website going to comments only mode for months until the Dave's subscription was announced, when NOTHING was available for purchase, and the still cryptic hint above that at some point it will be available digitally "on release day". Its very likely there are 2000 people that would have bought the box if it was the only option, but waited for the digital version instead. Add to that some short term memory loss and short attention spans and you have over 2000 copies left of this box set which I like much better than the Spring 77 box. I love this artwork and would have spent lots of dead presidents on T shirts, posters, and other schwag if offered. I also feel many people pay attention to their browsers and for months this site has been unsafe and I have to click through 2 browser warnings just to log in that say the site is bad for my internet security. NO where else on the internet do i have to click the 2nd "Are you Sure?" dialog box. What's up with that, someone saving IT money by waiting for a new interface, maybe ROAR as the core in the fall? Meanwhile the site limps along on, unsecured until the next explosion when Dave's 22 goes on sale shortly before May 77 part 1 ships and people find out if they got a limited edition or music only version. I bet that will be fun times on the board ;)
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    I agree Dschian on each of your points. I think it is noteworthy, however that this one is dragging on with 17% of the inventory still left after a year. I think they planned on this one moving faster and I don't blame them. I would have thought that 3 totally uncirculated betty boards and two classics with one only circulating in mono would have generated more buzz. I suspect Rhino and Co. thought the same and thus the 15k. It seems like each release gets core customer sales in the 10k range. That number represents those of us who are so pathetically obsessed that we buy everything no matter what. Then the remaining 5k in sales are the "investors" and occasional buyers. I think that dependable 10k in sales per release is pretty clearly indicated by the numbers set for the FW69 box, early DaPs etc. I think the DaP numbers have gone up only because of the demand created by the second hand market. I do find the hue and cry over limited editions a bit exasperating as I think I understand the considerations being made here and the need to limit stock on hand and warehousing. Really, if we would dependably buy 100k per release they would gladly print it; I'm sure of it. We cant blame the manufacturer for trying to avoid inventory warehousing expenses. This release is a clear indication to me that they have the number set just about right to accomplish their goal of printing and moving releases on a continual release schedule.
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    Yup, 80% of the run sold in one year- Rhino knows its base well
    Yup, 0ver 80% of the run sold in about a year; at this rate, the rest will probably sell in the next two to three years. Based upon what I've seen buying modern cd and lp releases, it's not unusual for a run to take a few years (and sometimes up to twice that time) to sell out, even for many popular releases. In that respect, wadeocu, yes, Rhino knows its customer base quite well. Nearly every other Dead limited edition/limited release has sold out relatively quickly (from a few days to several months), and even the slower ones, like the second Spring '90 box and the May '77 one, sold out within a few years or less. Believe it or not, Rhino's goal is probably not to make sure that these sell out in a heartbeat, but to sell the greatest number without multiple production runs or endless inventory. I for one am glad that people don't always have to rush to immediately buy one or have to otherwise search for it on ebay at inflated prices. Recently Rhino sold over $2 million dollars worth of the new box set (before the all-music release that followed) within three days, even with the first marked by technical difficulties- by any standard, that's pretty impressive nowadays for physical media.As a follow-up to my recent post below, finally got a chance to hear my Winterland 1977 box again (I have a huge listening backlog) and came away much more impressed by it than by the first May 1977 box, with the exception of the latter's 5/13 show, which is excellent and the best of them. I still do think, though, that overall the Summer 1978 box outranks the May '77 box in quality of shows.
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    1977 the last great year for the Dead?
    Rbmunkin, while in some respects 1977 WAS the last great year for the Dead- chiefly in the reliability of their musicianship, according to what I've heard from later years- it certainly wasn't their last great year for many listeners in terms of many, many great later performances. To put my bias in context, my favorite Dead years are 1969 and 1972-'74, so I'm not an '80's deadhead, though I attended the bulk of my shows during the earlier part of that decade and love many of the shows from its first half.I have both the May 1977 box set and the July '78 one, and to my ears the 1978 one is substantially better. I say that because while the 1977 performances in that box are all reasonably strong, they're not always particularly exciting to me. The band, and Jerry in particular, strike me as being in a more predictable, professional mode at the shows in this earlier '77 box release (though I expect the new '77 box to be substantially better performances, based upon the bits I've heard). I find the improvisation more raw, energetic, and dynamic in the 1978 box, and to me that's what makes shows stand out. Also, the song selection is a bit more varied, which I appreciate. While 1978 may be weaker overall as a year (and I haven't heard most of either year), I find these performances to be better than much of what I've heard from '77. Similarly, according to what a listener likes, great boxes (if not great recordings) could be put together of performances from the early 80's or even the Spring/Summer 1985 tour, I believe. One slight drawback of the 1978 box is that the recordings have a bit less depth to the sound, but that goes with the territory of later 2-track soundboards. If you like the '78 sound, definitely get this box while it's still around! I think that they're all (and not just the Red Rocks shows) excellent performances and better ones than the Dave's Picks releases from '78 so far.
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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Submitted by stoltzfus on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 14:42

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back in 83 i drank a bunch of those in rapid succession. a bunch. I was 19 and dumasfnk. about half-hour later, out-of-my-gourd drunk. Then the next 9 hours were barf-o-rama time and just plain ick. I literally have not had a beer (or OE800) since then. Olde English. that's shyte in my book.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 15:15

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....that song has a special meaning to me. It was on the tape I had in my car on 8.9.95. First song I heard after hearing the news as I was driving home....
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 15:22

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100 bucks in drinks feels like burning money to me too. Byt 100 bucks on balloons in the parking lot of Dead & Co, well, it's not often that old Dead members come to town! 100 bucks on a box set feels like nothing now, but when I first started getting into "hardcore" Dead show collection, I debated over buying the Winterland box sets for $99 each a couple of years ago. In then end, I bought them both at the same time and felt kind of guilty spending that much, but then I saw how much June '77 is going for on eBay, and all I could think was how happy I am I got it before it sold out. The $750 for 30 Trips was difficult to stomach, primarily because I only wanted '66 - '78, but I didn't want to end up paying the same cost for these shows individually on eBay as it would cost for the whole set (assuming $60 a show x 13 shows). So I bought the box set new and sold off '79 - '95, kept the box, and life is good!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 18:29

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Its not hard at all to burn through $100 on a date night. Food and drinks for two, decent tip and you are right up there. Heaven help us if a good bottle of wine is in order or if Petron or Makers Mark make their way to the table. Add in a movie or show and... a home equity line of credit might be in order. One of the reasons I like to cook and entertain, and the bonus track might just be a healthy dose of lawyer up avoidance. As for physical media or live music, they are both equally important. They are like yin and yang, the same whole but very different as individual components. I live in the middle of nowhere and make it a point to see a healthy amount of live music, theatre, arts, etc. Its good for the brain. But delving into the physical media, a great recording, getting some repeated listens.. after a while its hard-wired in our brains and attaches to memories and life experiences. To an extent that's true for live music also, but we all have shows/songs/notes/chords that with repeated listens become reflex or instinctive, a single note and we can recall the year/show/tape/CD where we were, brings to mind a triumph or tragedy, reminds us of a loved one or hardship... becomes a part of us. With a few fine exceptions (Dicks 16 and FW 69 come to mind) the road to face melting is best served live though.
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Submitted by hbob1995 on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 18:45

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I will never forget my one Dead show in Rochester. Labor Day 1979, outside at the old Holleder Stadium. Drove up there the day before from here in CT., which was like a 6 hour jaunt. When we got there my friend showed me a newspaper article that had just run. I will have to paraphrase here, but it basically said: "Citizens of Rochester beware! The Grateful Dead are coming and their Dead Head fans are like the Huns. If you are not going to be home, warn your neighbors, friends & police to watch your house for you. If the Heads find out you are not home they will break into your house for a place to sleep & for food & drink. Be warned! They will break into any where and steal everything that is not nailed down"! I swear to you this was actually in the paper. I will never forget this and I am not making it up. During the show, on a roof top across the street and behind the band, was a horde of police and they were filming everything to make sure they had evidence for when all of the supposed mayhem happened. I have downloaded this show. At the start of the second set, Bobby says: "This one is for all of the mice & rats that are stuck inside of labs all over the world, and to all of those cops over there with their cameras and binoculars who are watching out for your safety & protection". The band then turned around, and with their backs to us in the stadium, played Scarlet Begonias facing the cops so they could get everything on film just perfectly! I could not make this up if I tried! Once again, the truth was stranger then fiction. As you might expect, the whole show went off without a hitch and I am pretty sure Rochester survived the Dead Head invasion! Rock on
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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 19:59

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Vacant houses w/ unlocked windows sufficed for hotels. An unwatched full fridge = 4 star dining. And the people, so nice and easy to scare. You would think they would at least lock the doors of their cars. Ahh... Spring in Rochester... (kidding, the Dead Freak invasion.. scary stuff).
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Submitted by rdevil on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 21:07

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Not necessarily necessary for a hot Shakedown. https://archive.org/details/gd84-10-20.sbd.mattman.15673.sbeok.shnf Most of you are probably familiar with this one. Maybe not the best ever, but still pretty hot if you can get past the early vocal flubs. Dave mentioned this show as a possible release in one of his vids a year or two ago. And I've probably mentioned it several times here over the years, but it's a personal favorite from the old cassette days.
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Submitted by OldeEnglish800 on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 21:29

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Much thanks to simonrob for the info on how we're being charged going forward. DaveStrang - I also don't touch the stuff anymore but it's a great reminder of the good old days and living in a house with 30-50 other people, depending on the day, and getting by with whatever we could afford at the time. I'm a craft guy myself these days and can proudly say I'm living much more comfortably! stoltzfus - we all make stupid decisions when we're young but if you haven't enjoyed a drink since '83 because of one bad experience you're missing out. There's a whole world of great craft beer out there and you only live once...enjoy it! I don't disagree that OE800 is shyte but like I mentioned above it's a throwback to harder(and somehow more enjoyable) times growing up that got me to where I'm at today. All that aside, does anybody ever think that they're starting to accumulate too much GD material? I was driving into work today listening to the '74 show from 30 Trips today. I'm listening to the shows in order and this is all the further I've made it. Granted, There has been DaP 16 and I picked up the Old and In The Way set('73) that I've mixed in as well, amongst all the other new music I've picked up. I've got the upcoming box on the way that should fall right into where I'm at in 30 Trips and there's not really time to keep up and go back to the earlier stuff(ie '77 set, 90's boxes, etc). As much as I love this and it's not really tight money wise anymore it's just more than I can keep up with. I don't have the time to sit around and listen to an album around the house like I used to, it's more just listening in the car these days. I love collecting and I love the new music but I think what I've got now is enough to get me through 'til the end. Really, when is enough really enough?
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Submitted by Zuckfun on Mon, 03/28/2016 - 21:54

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Anyone have a shortcut for the Exit Beta button on the Archive? Guess that ship has sailed. And seeing how the Betty's are rescued, it might be time to summon the Troops of The Spicy Marinara for an Internet Archive mission- Operation Flaming Burrito. Here's to the sweet smell of success- with a side of chili con carne.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 07:49

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I'm not a listening party guy.. I am waiting for the box to come in all its glory, if I have time I will read the liner notes while I burn the discs and give things their first listen. So I will not be doing any sneak peeks beyond what I have already heard. But check out Sugaree, the Omaha version on this box checks in at under 10 min. This version is almost 5 min shorter than the last version played two months earlier and less than half the length of what they were playing a year earlier. Interesting.. and I have to admit, the mid 77 versions are among my favorites, we will have to see how this plays out. Nacho Delta Supreme, wow.. hard core. That's the one where you drive tiny slivers of nacho chips between your fingers and fingernails while applying a slow but steady un-interrupted drip of spicy salsa on your forehead. Good thinking, Zuck. We all like the previous interface at the Internet Archive. Oh, the horror of the new 'beta' interface. We shall not be repressed.
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Submitted by estimated-eyes on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 08:02

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I have come across one Shakedown that I would dub as bad. It is 11/24/78 and viewable on Youtube. While the main structure is fine and funky, the jam portion has Jerry noodling outside of the funky confines of the song-- just playing fast little runs for the sake of playing fast runs, not really going anywhere. Too bad really because it would otherwise be in the middle of a nice Estimated/Shakedown/Fire sandwich. I inferred that the song had yet to grow its legs and the band had yet to figure out the slunky, funky jam. They figured it out quickly in the Brent period. I may have to check out other 1978 versions to see how it evolved in that year or maybe that one is a clunker. One of my favorites is from Pittsburgh 7/6/87. The Neville Brothers join the band after a fantastic Shakedown set two opener. That Anaheim 1987 version burns, too, in a similar fashion.
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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 08:22

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Agreed that we're reaching saturation, at times, but they've got lots of 1967-72 yet to be released and that means PIGPEN LIVES!!! We're past the point (30 Trips) when Dave & Co. can mix the post-'81 shlock in with the good stuff. Hence we get just chronologically thematic releases like the new '78 box, as with prior releases and can easily say 'yea' or 'nay' to buying them. Brace yourself. I feel another modest box being announced in about September. Spring '71, Fall '72 or Summer '73. (I've never been wrong before....) Question is: how will the most exciting material -- the returned tapes from the Betty and MG stashes -- be presented? DaPs? Box? Standalone? To sum up, enough is enough when they put the last nail in that old pine box.
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Submitted by the420bandito on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 08:30

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You cannot go wrong with the Shakedown from 1991.09.10 New York, NY (30 Trips). Branford Marsalis is on.
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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 08:37

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Me and mine were at this show. My wife went to Syracuse. My records show we gave Shakedown a plus 2 along with Jack Straw. Samson and Black Peter got a plus 1. The only thing I really remember from the Carrier Dome was the way the air pressure pushed you out the door. I guess the dome top was cloth and they pumped air into the stadium to keep it up. So when you opened the door to leave the pressure gave you a good shove. All the heads seemed to like this as a bunch of us went back in just for that "shoved" feeling. I have this in my collection as a soundboard and audience recording. Listening to soundboard and it sounds good, I can only guess that the audience must sound good too or else I wouldn't have kept it. But Jerry really does mumble the opening lines, and I mean mumbles! His playing is sounding great though.
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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 08:51

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Just listened to Jack Straw from that show, Jerry is on fire!
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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 09:34

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Dennis - After being "blown out" of the Dome with the air pressure, I hope you had the sense to roll down the huge grassy hill with the hundreds of other heads doing the same. Can't recall the Shakedown being all that remarkable, especially coming off the Jack Straw set closer. Maybe it was because the song appeared in the rotation so much during that time period. Rochester 83. Carrier Dome 83. Carrier Dome 84. Will give it another listen. JiminMD Gave up years ago trying to convert/convince folks about the band. Either you get it our you don't. Similar to folks who like NASCAR or WWE. Not nearly as intellectual a group(s) as you mention, but hey, they enjoy it, so god bless em. I won't argue otherwise. Two quick stories. We have a neighbor who looks down upon just about every band other than those he likes. He dismisses the Grateful Dead as nothing more than noodling despite never having seen them live. "They would never match a band like The National." Well, guess who wanted to borrow some CDs after his band announced a massive tribute album. Also, walked into a small local sports store a month or so back. Noticed the GD playing in the background as a young kid approached and asked if we needed assistance. I mentioned that his dad has good taste in music. No. No. These are my CDs. I asked if he were aware of the archive? The what? Gave him the info and went back a few days later to pick up our equipment with a copy of the 77 St. Paul show for him. Holy crap man. This stuff is unbelievable. Glad to turn people like that on to the band. Most other folks just aren't worth the effort.
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Submitted by Zuckfun on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 09:59

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Not much of a story here...A few weeks ago my brother-in-law sent me a message- Casey Jones was just on the radio- Thought of you. My sent message- That's funny, I just did a line of cocaine. He knew I was just kidding. We both got a laugh out of it...Suppose that's what matters.
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Submitted by LoveJerry on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 10:00

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Not happening to this crowd. The people who are not yet tired of new shows are the market for all of these great Dave's picks releases and box sets. If the 16.5k they produce for Dave's picks stops selling, I would say they've hit the saturation point.
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 10:16

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mawr mawr mawr i don't gather as much as i used to, but still will add when I feel it's justified (like the 78 box) new GD is like Christmas 84 GD: Carrier Dome. gotta check that one out.
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Submitted by black throated… on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 15:19

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I'm new to the forum and I've been enjoying reading the posts, especially the Shakedown suggestions. I was wondering how many shows some of you have? When I get the '78 box and DaP 18, I'll have a nice round 50. Yet I still want MORE. Just curious. I'm sure I'm on the low end, but I'm looking forward to getting more and more as they are released.
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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 15:21

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of the Not Done Til They Nail Shut the Pine Box Club. Damn, I love the avidity of the hardened cases here! And I concur on the folks who flock to Fare Thee Well & Dead & Co., yet are unaware of Dave's work on the vault. We stood in line in fall 2011 at Red Rocks for some band or other and folks were blah-blah-blah-ing about the GD. We asked how they were enjoying the Euro 72 box. Nuthin' but blank stares! Enjoy! I'm planning communal listens to the '72, '73, '74 selections from the 30 Trips box (a 2-3 person party aids appreciation) and squeezing in some 'solo' '76 (Dick's, 30 Trips) before DaP 18 shows up. Then the '77 and '78 from 30 Trips as the '78 box drops here. After that, a reservation at the Betty Ford Clinic and ... what's not to love? By that time we'll be gettin' wild over what's next: a movie, DaP 19, and, perhaps, another wee box, Dave? Hold the lid on that coffin, Zachary, I believe they're planning a nearly unending series of releases....
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Submitted by black throated… on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 15:43

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I'm thinking any kind of show, official release or otherwise. I'm just trying to get an idea of what other people have so I don't feel so bad when I splurge on another box set. I have a 50 complete shows, obviously most of them are from 30 trips. I love having all the shows, it's tough to find time to listen to them all. It's a pretty good problem to have.
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Submitted by Zuckfun on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 16:06

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Seems the answer is there's no such thing as too many shows. My collection probably has close to 50 shows from 1977 alone (official releases plus shows from the Archive- Beta testing notwithstanding). In the words of Kent "The Dorf" Dorfman- "Thank You Sir, May I have another." Editor's note- Pretty sure it wasn't Dorfman who said that...Just felt like saying his name.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 16:40

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I have always believed I just need one more show. It was true then and its still true today. Just one more show please, and make it a good one.
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Submitted by prafter on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 17:24

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I have over 100 official releases, scads of tapes under the bed, and about 600+ bootleg CD's of other artists.
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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 17:54

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I personally would not worry about the number of shows you have collected. Rather, purchase what period of the band appeals to you the most and expand out from there. The 30 trips box should keep you busy for a while. Enjoy. Thank you sir, may I have another - Kevin Bacon as Chip Diller The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took some liberties with our female party guests - we did.
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Submitted by stopbath on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 18:19

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How cool would it be if Dave/Rhino put together a monkey survey to obtain our input for a future box. Majority rules. Then have a contest for the artwork. Wishful thinking I'm sure!! I just counted and I have 187 official released shows. Damn, that's crazy when you really think about it. I remember, I used to be content with one show that I would listen to over and over. Then again, that was before all plethora of releases.
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 18:26

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Yeah I think a lot of you summed it up nicely. One more show is always good, and nobody on THIS message board is going to find it odd that you spent five grand back-filling your Dave's Picks series and box sets off of eBay. In fact, I think....holy shit, did I really spend 5K on CDs....I think I'm going to be sick...
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Submitted by Encroached on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 18:40

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Fat Dumb and Stupid is no way to go through life son, but I have to admit, it's served me pretty well up til now
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Submitted by DaveStrang on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 18:47

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Having to many Grateful Dead's CD's/LP's/Tapes/Reels is like having too much money.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 19:20

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How many official releases have there been? Hear ya Keithfan on the price of backfilling. Although (I think) recent production numbers @~15k to 16.5k have somewhat tamed the secondary market, it pays to buy here when releases are announced. I will say this.. there certainly are some must haves. And thank God for the archive. Really.. its all about the music and some had the foresight to put together a spectacular archive and give it to us for the price of a broadband internet connection. How many shows is too many? Perhaps 2,319 is the right number. oh.. wait.. add in a few from the JGB. I think I need a bigger hard drive....
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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 19:57

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Buy whatever they offer or you will regret it. Started purchasing DPs from the start and got all of the releases up until about 15 or so. Then decided to outsmart everyone and just buy the ones I liked at the time. Big mistake. Have them all now, but as Keith pointed out, you spend way more backfilling. Learned my lesson and fortunately started with DaP from the beginning. Immediate backlash from the wife, on the initial purchase, who accused me of of wasting $25 (really $25) on a stupid CD. A year later I show her the aftermarket price. I got the same look of resignation that I did when I purchased the giant floor standing speakers that were a hundred dollars more than the small ones she wanted. After a few notes she understood and walked away.
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Submitted by rdevil on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 20:14

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Thanks, Dennis, for sharing your experience at the Carrier Dome; those little details are pretty interesting to those of us who weren't there. I assume you weren't up front on the floor as you probably would have remembered being horribly smashed. The second set was a big favorite among my friends as I previously mentioned, but I hadn't heard the first set until Angry Jack Straw told me how he got his user name. That's when I headed to the Archive and discovered this very good first set and what is now one of my favorite Jack Straws. And that is exactly the kind of thing that makes these boards great (despite the occasional sniping and arguing). As for too much Dead...no such thing. It will be a long time before there are as many official releases as there were tapes in my collection. I will say that I think the speed at which they are releasing this stuff is just about right. If it was accelerated it would be harder to absorb it all.
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Submitted by wadeocu on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 20:35

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Uhhh - all of them. Official releases anyway. As for boots, I lost count a while back. An embarrassment of riches have we.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 03/29/2016 - 20:57

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You guys got me to finally listen to that show. You're right.. the show is crackling with energy, especially the Jack Straw. I listened to the Miller soundboard. Charlie mentions it was pitch corrected, but it still sounds pitched just a tad fast. Perhaps it was the coke.. The Jack Straw reminds me of the 4/4/85 Providence Jack Straw, but a minute longer and with better sound. Jerry is blazing on both, perhaps Syracuse is a little hotter. Thanks guys.. I surely will not be able to sleep after these shows rattling around in my brain, they should come with a warming, Powered by Cocaine.
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Submitted by allman on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 04:29

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Dave's Pick #17, tracking information did not work. Called the store and they said they did not know the tracking number for my order. Placed an order on Friday and received the shipping information with a tracking number that does not work. Called the store and they said they did not know the tracking number for my order.I would suggest get this resolved before these boxes ship out. I think a month and a half is more than enough time to fix this problem.
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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 05:26

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How many Grateful Dead shows have been officially released?How many official Grateful Dead releases have there been, so far? Let's start with these 3 official releases: 2016's "July 1978" 5 complete shows in this box set; 2015's "30 Trips Around The Sun" 30 complete shows there; 2011's "Europe '72: The Complete Recordings" 22 shows there, for the exception of 4/7/72 which is missing 1 song and another is incomplete. 57 shows over 3 releases. The Dick's Picks series, The Download Series, The Road Trips series and the current Dave's Picks series all contain more shows, or most of, or parts of a show, so that is a rather large number there. Then figure in the bonus discs and the original studio albums (with filler) all the film/video recordings for an even larger total. The Grateful Dead sure have been generous with their music over the last 50 years.
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 05:36

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Numbers just make this hobby seem dirty or like it's some sort of contest, and adding up how much you spent on it is a sure way to trigger buyer's remorse and miss the next couple releases, until you figure out you were wrong and buy them off ebay for way more than if you just bought them when they came out. Because now you have to fill those gaps in the collection. too much of everything is just not enough. 36 years ago today Capitol Theatre on 1980-03-30 Sailor>Saint to close the 1st set, Scarlet>Fire and Estimated>Eyes in the 2nd and John Belushi on the encore. i bet it was fun backstage that night ;) Set 1 Alabama Getaway -> The Promised Land Peggy-O Cassidy Loser -> El Paso Far From Me Tennessee Jed New Minglewood Blues Althea Lost Sailor -> Saint Of Circumstance Set 2 Scarlet Begonias -> Fire On The Mountain Estimated Prophet -> Eyes Of The World -> Space -> Drums -> Black Peter -> Sugar Magnolia Encore U.S. Blues https://archive.org/details/gd1980-03-30.sbd.miller.92666.sbeok.flac16
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 06:36

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I'm certainly not the first to share this on these boards but I thought I would offer it up since it is entirely relevant to the current topic, and perhaps there are a few who haven't seen it yet. I still get a great chuckle out of it and can of course relate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfy3uJrfVWo Sixtus P.S. Kayak Guy that second set is very nicely front loaded, it's my kind of setlist on paper for sure.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 07:20

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Thanks Sixtus, that one always cracks me up. I need more shows! I am hesitant to show my significant other these.. I married a deadhead is classic.
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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 08:49

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Rdevil, No I was not up front. I have never wanted to be or tried to be up front. My buddy always wanted closer. I always like to sit directly across from the stage in the first riser up. I've always found this put you just above the crowd on the floor and you got the fullest sound from the speakers. I remember one time though where we were half way down the oval and just above the first up section (indoor show). You could clearly hear the cymbal hit on stage and then it would bounce off the far wall and echo back and he hit the cymbal again, set up this tennis ball effect of sound,,, that was wild. I always thought being too close would put the sound over your head, beside being crushed! I was shocked when we saw Roger Waters "the wall" maybe 4 years ago. They had folding chairs set up on the floor, we were in the 11th row and EVERYBODY stayed just where their chair was. I was 11th row on the center aisle, I swear with a little tailwind I could have spit on Roger. That sounded great and no crushing! How many, how much dead? Maybe that's the third leg of that old saw, "never too rich, never too thin, never too much dead." I think I have all the official releases,,, I know on Dicks, I have cd copies of the cd's (in fact I have too copies like that), hard to justify spending money to back fill when I have perfect copies.
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Submitted by purpleerik69 on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 09:14

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i have always been a non-sitter , preferring the front third to the stage. I simply like to move when listening to music. Recently i find it comfortable to sit sometimes but not when i have to. When i saw Roger Waters two years ago in Vienna i had to sit third row and Mr Waters was way up ( maybe 6 feet above the ground ) , hence i was either watching his legs or i had to look at the video-screen. Yep, i still love open-airs where i can wander around , first half of a show front row , second half lying down in the grass , well, i`m getting older too...
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Submitted by Bach 2 Bach on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 10:00

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A few months ago I was at the local discount store, the young man in his mid-to-late 20s working the cash register noticed my SYF hat and remarked that he liked the Dead too- so much that he had a whole bunch of GD T-shirts, most of the CDs, and all of the beanie bears. I asked if he had any live shows, to which he replied, "Well, no, because they basically have all the same songs as the studio albums, right?" Quite honestly I didn't know what to say to that one. On another recent occasion- while on business- I was wearing my 'One Man' wolf hat (which is about as stealth as you can get- ie, no skulls). The gentleman I was talking with turned out to be a fellow Dead Head- he had made me with that hat. After business was out of the way he broached the subject and we proceeded to have a rather lengthy but totally enjoyable conversation about all things GD- the kind where you trade war stories with a fellow member of the tribe and experience that weird wonderfully warm glow of connecting with someone who truly 'gets it'.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 03/30/2016 - 10:04

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Yea.. what do you say. I would call that a Bill Clinton deadhead because even though he put it to his mouth, he obviously didn't inhale (or drink the kool aid from the cup). I shouldn't be so harsh, you don't know what you don't know.. perhaps he/she will get clued in and have that aha moment we all had at some point. But that's crazy talk.. I had to chime in.
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