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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • brianhahne
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    pardon the diversion...
    was told this link didn't work on the dave's 17 thread.sorry https://secure3.4agoodcause.com/curing-kids-cancer/fundraisers/personal…
  • WharfratWhitey
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    Sweet!!!
    This is nice size box with shows people have been asking for for some time and shows that have only circulated in Aud. Sweet!!! What sort of chaos will the conversation fall into after we've been delivered the Red Rocks shows? Maybe Alaska or The Ark! Very much looking forward to this package. Peace!
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    I have passed on many of the box sets over the years based upon price and personal level of interest (skipped both 1990 sets and the May 77). This one grabs me immediately. July 8, 1978 is obviously a factor, but the rest looks great. I am in. A mash-up tape of 7/8/78 was a mainstay in my collection, but it wasn't complete-- only set one and encores. Longtime favorite tape, so excited about getting an official release! On July 8, 1978 I was celebrating my 8th birthday with a big birthday party. We always celebrated with family, but this is the only birthday with friends and family that I recall from my childhood-- it being my 'golden' birthday. I was an 8 year old boy into KISS, a short-lived fad, but my favorite present that day was a KISS t-shirt. Whenever I played that 7/8/78 tape, I thought about that birthday party and laughed about my KISS fad. Thanks for this release-- cannot wait. That Arrowhead show sounds interesting, too. Lots of goods in this box. Spacebro, registering the first dissent on 7/8/78 that I have ever heard. Perhaps you did not have a good recording of it and this will change your mind.
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    RED ROCKS finally!
    Super surprised and totally caught off guard by this. Just sitting here at work getting some stuff done and got the email announcement. Jumped over here saw Red Rocks 78 and hit the order button. BAM! Can not wait to finally have these in pristine condition! Holy Grail type shows coming now. Can the May 7/8/9 1977 trifecta be far behind? It's all happening as they say. Great time to be a Dead Head!
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    Made my day
    May '77 was 15,000 copies also
  • dsjam
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    78 at last!
    I have been dying for a '78 set forever, and though I was really hoping they would do up the post-Egypt Winterland run this will do just as well. Thanks Dave!
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    Plangent Process?
    Dave mentions its use in his video, quickly I might add, but I see no mention of it in print.
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    7/7/78
    Will the monaural recording of 7/7/78 be enhanced ?
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    True that Willysin4wd, cheers to Betty and Rob Eaton
    I saw a Dark Star Orchestra show a couple Sunday ago, all day I had been thinking "Never miss a Sunday show" However, I did miss the first 2 songs, but I had a pretty good feeling it was celebrating a 1978 performance by 4th song and surely knew the exact date when they started "Row Jimmy" During a trip to the bathroom in the middle of "Terrapin Station" I heard people talking about what show is this ? They were way off and when I emerged from the cloudy "smoking" stall in the midst of their sword fight, I said "78" One guy turned his head just enough to see over his shoulder and said "Wow" ! I replied "The Spectrum", he looked at me funny and swung his head the other way like an owl, then I said "Philadelphia May 78" and then Dark Orchestra smoked everyone out with "Playin' in the Band" , which was one of the highlights for me. They did play a couple tunes not featured from 5.13.78. After "One More Saturday Night" a JGB classic "Catfish John" followed up by "Mr Charlie"
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    7/8/78 is one of those "obvious choice" shows for official release as it was commercially available unofficially for many years. I used to see this at record shows a lot and imagine whoever owned/leaked these recordings are partially the reason behind it's popularity among traders. I always thought of 7/8/78 as a weird inconsistent show but haven't heard it in ages so it may sound a little fresher to my ears these days. There are many shows from Red Rocks that are considered essential and to me, 8/13/87 is one of the big ones. Any show that starts with a Big Boss Man is already a winner out of the gate, but it gets even better from there. The Jack straw is so powerful that it may incite a riot because of it's sheer energy. Row Jimmy, All Over Now and Loser are all amazing renditions but the Cassidy really soars. They close out the first set with a nice reading of Far From Me and another riot inducing version of Box of Rain. The second set of 8/13/87 is a full on face melter. Uncle John's is everything you would want it to be, but the Estimated Prophet that it goes into is almost as if Bob becomes possessed by demonic spirits it's so powerful. The Wheel is an essential version which flows nicely into an "ass kickin'" Gimme Some Lovin'. Stella Blue is beautifully subtle follwed by what may be the most energetic and over-the-top Throwing Stones>NFA you'll ever hear. The double encore of Touch>Knocking caps off what ended up being one of those shows I really wish I could have been there to see. This show was so powerful that the management at Red Rocks were too scared to hire the Dead to play this venue until after Jerry died. 7/8/78 is a very memorable show as well, but for sheer energy, 8/13/87 is the real deal.
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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Nicely done Vince! PS: Bella got to say hi to Jerry at the local restaurant tonight - one picture is the RS one with 4.5 digits wave and the other is the one in front of the Pyramid. She loves her Uncle Jerry. Added Box of Rain from Wichita DaP along with UJB. Soon she'll be ready for a China>Sunflower.
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It's all Betty ya bitter old crank. Your posts are about as pleasant as a morning hangover :-)
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that sucks! no it's??? so which dead era sucks again? I can't keep this shit straight.
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Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure if Bolo's latest post is a clue, or just a demonstration of his recently learned Arabian counter-espionage techniques. Maybe he's conducting some sort of covert experiment, perhaps this is even the start of Operation Fried Mozzarella. Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of his clue, or of DL's comment that 19 is something they've never done before. Any pick is a great pick for me, but in looking at the larger picture, it seems we're due for either a very early pick (68-71) or a late one (87-91).
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ahh.. much better. I was reading some of the posts over the last few days and decided I needed some cheese and crackers to go with some of this wine(ing). :D I had to crack up because I just got my "Make America Grateful Again" T-Shirt in the mail Friday, today was its first wear. Serendipitous me thinks... Happy Sunday all.. and we can start by being thankful that I was not in VGuys car on the ride back from the pool. I would have surely ruined their harmonies... The last time I was in Vegas I stayed at Mandalay Bay. It had the most kick ass pool(s) I have ever seen in my life. Another thing to be grateful for.
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I'll second that Mandalay pool praise--super nice, complete with wave pool and sandy beach. Way at the far south end of the strip, but pools make it worth it.In I think 2006 my wife and I went to a great, sadly now defunct (de-funked)festival there called "Vegoose," which they did for a few years over Halloween weekend. Phil and Trey played twice, Rhythm Devils (w/ Mike Gordon of Phish), Tom Petty, Widespread Panic, plus a ton of other great acts from other genres--Damian Marley, Fiona Apple, the Mars Volta, the Roots. It was 2 or 3 days of daytime shows at several stages by unlv, then night time shows at various places around the strip later at night. We got back to hotel from Phil and Trey night show at like 5 am. Wish that one still happened--with all the other festivals sprouting up all over and specifically through the summer, would've thought that the location and time of year could have made it a huge thing. Check out the lineups they had: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegoose
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Looks like both 5/11 and 5/26/72 are available again in the store. I wonder if the (expected) increase in visits to the site this coming week have anything to do with that. Pop in to pick up DaP 19 and while you're at it grab a couple of the most famous shows of that era. Not a bad idea by the folks in charge (or it's late and I'm overthinking it)...anyway, they are available for those on this board who may be looking for them.... Regarding the upcoming release, my gut tells me it's 1970. I've been wrong before (ok every time) but either way should be a fun week ahead-
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It isn't difficult...-pre-hiatus is older than 1974, -post-hiatus younger than 1974 I love it all, as most of us do, but we also all have favorites. Nothing wrong with cheering for the next pick. I'd rather chat about live GD than I would chat about random non-G.D. b.s. that clutters this board on occasion. By the way, do we typically get two box sets released each year, or is one box set released? I think one box set is released each year...huh?
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If any of you don't have these shows by now and are on the fence.. they are really must have's. Both of them. One epic, the other absolutely prime classic. They really are two of the best shows ever played (in my humble opinion). ..and yes, my soft spot is 67 to 74 also... This is good news (I think). I do have to wonder how fast these things are selling.. its been four years now..
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Then set yourself free.....by all means.See ya! :) ...and remember folks.....don't sweat the petty stuff,but do pet the sweaty stuff. :)
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If ya gotta fart in a crowded room,take it outside man. ;)
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Much appreciated. "The eagle has landed," um, "the package has been delivered," yeah, I mean I gave him the CD ;) Now it's up to him to "hear" it. Will he catch the devine "disease?" I don't know, but it would be so cool if he did, and anyway I gave it my best shot. Yes, I am attempting to "indoctrinate" my friend into the brotherhood, out of love you understand, and yes Ripple alone should have sealed the deal, but who knows. China>Rider and many others are planned for a vol 2, if we get that far. We shall see...
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....yeah. Went to the second go around. Perfect weather, perfect music. Sad that yearly festival faded away. And yes, the Mandalay pool is, pardon my French, the shit....
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Ha! Pet the sweaty stuff. That's funny. I have listened to Veneta Playing in the Band 3x in the last 24 hrs. Trying to figure out what makes it better than the 20 or so E72 versions. Is it just the duration? We will see. Keith is definitely very prominent in Veneta, more so than I recall on the Europe shows, but I haven't listened to E72 in ages, so that may just be my memory.
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Here in sweet sweaty Florida, pools are damn near must haves. Pool Bars being a close second. And those two lead to foolish escapades of Summer Legend.In the early 1970s there was an apt complex that featured a pool than snaked all through the development and it featured underwater stereo! Of course the music feature didn't last long, but the parties that went on were indeed crazy. Ladies swimwear wasn't as wild back then but young tanned hot bods have been a must since Babylon, and this place was the jewel of the Nile. Such fine memories! Summer Pool Parties were a weekly occurance as I got into the 80s complete with bar b cues and kegs of superb adult refreshment. When I finally put together a mobile DJ business that was our bread and butter, the 4 hour Pool Party. Times were perfect then or so it seems now looking back. I'm still deep in this 78 box and loving it more and more. This morning I'm grooving to 7-3 St. Paul with some fine Java and debating if I really need to wander out in the 10 am heat that's already 89 degrees! If I do, I guess it would be to go to..........you guessed it! The Pool. Hahahahaha.
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I've been going thru my collection A-Z checking all labels, filenames, id-tags. Labeling all live shows I have that don't have song titles and ID-ing what songs they are. Came across my folder for Negativland and found it was lacking. A world wide search of libraries found none of their albums. (big surprise there!) Amazon has most, but even used prices are high. Any Negativland fans out there with a large collection (or small) that want to do some horse trading? If you never heard Negativland, odd stuff, a little like The Residents (more or less?) But I'd like to get more in stock. Hit me with PM's if you can help. thanks Dennis
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I just completed a nice long morning stroll around town, (wearing my "Make America Grateful Again" T-shirt, Jim ;) and I listened to DaP7, start to finish. I chose this one because it got shelved pretty quickly after a couple of listens when it was released, and I have to say that it is still one of the weaker picks, IMO. Set I is solid, especially the Ramble On Rose, Must Have Been the Roses, and Music Never Stopped, but Set II sounds flat to me. For me, the most interesting part is the Rhythm Devils, which get far out there with weird vocal/animal noises... sounds like a cosmic trip through the rain forest. Which leads me to a question: What distinguishes a Rhythm Devils from a Drums? Is it a time period thing? Obviously, you can't have rhythm devils without Mickey, but it seems to have been a late 70s-early 80s thing. Is there anything that sets the two apart? Also, the three song second disc is disappointing, much like the two short discs in the 78 Box from the Red Rocks shows. Give us some filler, Dave! I know there is plenty to go around! Oh, and the slide guitar on Werewolves is horrendous... makes it damn hard to enjoy. Again, just my opinion. Peace
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Agree with earlier posts. If you don't have either of these two grab them. They are excellent. Despite a lot of the best of 5-26 being on Europe '72, this gives you the entire suite - complete and uninterrupted.
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if you listen closely on 4/14/78, while they are doing the "dancin' in the streets" chant heading into drums, you can hear Jerry say "like the rhythm devils". so maybe it's a time period thing. Spring 78 RD, everything else is Drums. to me, though, drums is drums. it'd be fun for a day to have as pets a black cat and a white cat, one named "Drums" and one named "Space".
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late 80s/early 90s for the first time in a long time. Nightfall of Diamonds sounds reeeeeally good today. first few tracks of 6/16/90 VFTV sounded good earlier this morning. the sound from this time period reminds me of skating on ice. the sound just glides.
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one of the reasons i am not that crazy about this time period. Brent's great, but this song is way too personal. I love my daughter and spoil her beyond all comprehension, but i don't tell y'all about it.
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Actually, for me- nothing says Saturday night party like I Will Take You Home. That song just pumps me up- every single time. Anyways, totally kidding. Honestly, I appreciate the sentiments of the song, and it's heartfelt nature. But I'm not sure if there was ever a time when I was like, yeah please put that on- I could go for a killer Take You Home right now.
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Its not my favorite repeat listen either.. Sure beats the Let Me Sing Your Blues Away I was listening to from Philly 9/21/73.
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Ok. So as far as Brent's tunes go, curious how you guys feel about this one?I'd say it's my fav of his, especially in the Spring 90 TOO box................
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You're totally missing the point of the song which explains alot about the kind of deadhead you are. "Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare".
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No one is missing the point of I Will Take You Home. It's not possible. That is part of the problem.
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Love the recent comments about "palate cleansing." Always interesting to see what other people are listening to. Mine: Hawkwind, Stones, Paul Weller, Chris Robinson and the New Earth Mud, Joni Mitchell, John Lennon, Amon Duul, 10K Maniacs, Arild Anderson, Bruce Cockburn, Coltrane, Lee Morgan and Suzanne Vega. And now, back to Dead boards: 10/17/72, Fox Theatre.
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if that's all you can make of the song that is the problem.
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Probably my favorite of the Brent composistions.Blow Away comes in second for me. Rock on
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Re IWTYH I can see the psychedelic giddiness: "something big and cold (has got a hold) of you". that's pretty funny if you think about a lysergic state of mind. a big oozy melty creature or something the literal lyrics are just too much for me, and the instrumentation. Remember, I have never sold a single record, so the joke's ultimately on me. enough of that topic. What about Gainesville? It sounds AWESOME right now....Truckin' into Drums...
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Wish they had played it more. Song had the legs to go far but never got the time to develop. update - just checked seems they only did it about 18 times! Longest one I have is 8.5 minutes.
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Best Brent tune,in my opinion. The rest of his songs seemed better suited for a Light Rock band than a psych band.
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The version from 3/25/89 is a standout. Brent's vocal approach feels like a southern gospel/soul influence. When I first started listening to the Dead in the early-mid '80's, Brent's songs didn't immediately catch on with me. By '89-'90, his songs really grew on me. I would be a very ecstatic happy camper if the next Dave's Pick has some nice Brent features.
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start your engines. :)
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....Gentlemen Start Your Engines. Seriously. An awesome song. Was lucky enough to catch one live....
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....grate minds think alike....
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heard it once or twice on tape. Thought good ok yeah. then I heard it today on disc. Massive amounts of energy. if you wonder why people ask, "What about Gainesville?", give this show a listen. You will understand.
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sounds really good. I got the disc from my friend's pile of extras. had the second electric set on tape, but...
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I don't mind a Brent song or two in there; admittedly to my ears his voice got better with time - more raspy and able to scat/improv as time went on. He sounds best to me (vocally) in the spring '90 box sets. I had never really given his tunes much thought until they were popping up all over those set lists and I started taking a liking to, for example, Easy to Love You. While potentially cheezy in the title, the song has some good lyrics and a decent bounce. I also like Just a Little Light; Jerry on wah pedal anytime is good by me. Blow Away can be fun also, especially the longer versions. Also his voice lends nicely to backup vocals, again, the rasp. Thanks to the couple of peeps who shouted out over my vacation last weekend; weather was iffy (read: bad) but happily the family time worked out quite well and as far as I'm concerned, rain on Nantucket is still pretty much as good as any weather anywhere else. Oh yeah, and Cisco Brewery is one of the greatest places on Earth. Have an enjoyable safe day and week All. Looking forward to Fenway shows this weekend for sure. Sixtus
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Just a little light and Blow Away are two of my favorite Brent Tunes... I like take you home too.. its not something I spin a bunch.. but things like that change over time.
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https://archive.org/details/gd1969-07-11.123417.sbd.latvala.lee.smith.f… SBD 2013 07/11/69 NY State Pavilion, Flushing Meadow Park - Queens, NY Set 1: Dupree's Diamond Blues Dire Wolf Hard To Handle Silver Threads Casey Jones Sitting On Top Of The World Big Boss Man Mama Tried High Time Drums Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) Jam The Other One Cryptical Envelopment Death Don't Have No Mercy Turn On Your Love Light

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vguy, Which one did you catch? I was at Pittsburgh, and loved that tune. Certainly not a feel-good lyric ("if you don't like trouble, better leave my ass be"), but a dark, swampy groove that Jerry delivered a searing lead on for the strange, open-the-floodgates instrumental break. Brent got his expletives in that night, taking his patented Little Red Rooster verse, too ; ) Id've preferred Gentlemen Start to either We Can Run or I Will Take You Home on the studio album. The latter has really grown on me over the years, at the time I hoped for anything but out of Space. On the Terrapin Limited show (3/15/90), Jerry puts in some nice midi horn flourishes. Sitting up in the rows directly behind Brent for that show, it was hard not to enjoy that one. Wish I'd have caught a Believe It Or Not!
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Coltrane "Stardust"; "Standard Coltrane"; "Bahia" marathon session from 7/11/58. (happy b.d. dad!)RR Kirk "Kirk's Works" 7/11/61 Joe Gordon "Lookin' Good" 7/11/61 (with an under-the-radar Jimmy Woods) John Patton "Blue John" 7/11/63 (Grant Green, too) GOGD State Pavilion 7/11/69 Merl & Jerry "Keystone Compays" 7/11/73 (you there, doc?) Bob Marley 7/11/73 (courtesy Cosmic Badger) Marshall Tucker Band "Where We All Belong" 7/11/74 Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels On A Gravel Road" companion disc, 7/11/98 All the estrogen of the household has headed to the absolute elsewhere which avails the opportunity to appreciate this thing we enjoy to the utmost. Peace.
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Yo! Rockers!!! My spies tell me that the next Dave's WILL be two consecutive shows----May 28 and 29, 1969. With filler from the 5/7/69 show. Yup, they've never done THAT before........... Personally, I think it's just an ugly rumor........... Rock it in the pocket! DOC
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That explains a lot.. you hear dead people. That would be a stellar combo, it feels like we are due something vintage.
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Sing IWTYH in front of 100,000 heads cause I don't give a sh*t what you think about how much I love my daughter. Good for him. I know how he feels!!! I like We Can Run and Tons of Steel. My favorite Brent lead is a cover; Dear Mr. Fantasy. His raspy lead on that song gives me chills every time. I've been known to queue up all of 'em and let them roll one after the other. Some May 69? Whoo Boy. Do it Dave. Doc said so!
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"Spies"?? You'll have to do better than that or change your name to DocBolo! I'm sayin' it's 6-10-73 on four discs, an extra bonus to subscribers -- unless it makes DaP20 a two-disc set -- and priced accordingly for ala carte sales. Let's see yer cards, mate..... Oh, and, uh, hope you're doin' well! (Readers: I'm teasing the Doc, he's been berry berry good to me.)
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