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    Ease them in! Hook your favorite future Dead Head up with the complete July 8, 1978 show from Red Rocks, widely considered one of the greatest concerts in Grateful Dead history.

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  • #81
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    Yeah but...
    If you can't make your peace with the limited editions, even though they're required to drive sales to make this feasible, how does that make DL2 a shill? It sounds like he's doing the right thing. I don't care for pins and books and other accessories with my boxes either, but as long as the music is good and well priced (only Formerly the Warlocks was overpriced IMHO), why should I care about the marketing? If you can't enjoy great sounding shows because they're limited, that is your (unfortunate) issue. I haven't found DL2 to be that hyperbolic, and he's certainly less so than his predecessor. Latvala was the undisputed king of hyperbole. Usually, when Dave describes a show as "one of the best", it's "of that era", or "of that year". You're allowed to disagree of course, but that's not much of a stretch. When he talks about a show as "one of the best shows ever" it's usually regarding something like 8/27/72 or 7/8/78, where it is, again, a reasonable description.
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    Gotta say, I can't argue with anything you said there. All true and correct. But somehow none of it really works for me anymore. The last time it did was the Road Trips Vol2 -end years. Good balance of money and marketing to music in my opinion. After that there's much more flash in the mix, big dollar amounts, and hype/pressure ("best ever"/"limited limited limited"!). I guess that's what it takes to drive sales to levels that allow the funding of this volume of releases. But I can't make my peace with that. Can still get off on the music, but don't feel any warmer to DL2 and GDM than I do to, say, my bank. And I consistently find more pleasure in listening to D/Ls than my GDM purchases. Really hoping DaP18, much of which I have in poor-sounding D/Ls already, and the 7/78 box, of which I already have both RR shows in great quality, will rekindle the old flame. I am gonna be buying GDM releases whether I like it or not, so I'd really rather like it!
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    i despise the DL2 hate
    I remember a period 10 years ago, when it was questionable if we would even see future releases. With the Archive and file-sharing programs cutting into GD sales, the boys leased the Vault to Rhino, shut down the Archive (briefly), and there was a 14 month period with ZERO physical GD releases. From November 2005 (Fillmore West 1969) and January 2007 (Live at Cow Palace), there was nothing, not even a whisper. Then slowly, things started trickling out of the Vault. First we got single-show multitrack stuff (12/31/76 and 2/19/71), then DL2 convinced Rhino to try archival 2-track shows again. RT1.1 was hardly the best, but things got better as DL2 narrowed his focus. Eventually, we got back to the warts-and-all spirit and complete show of Dick's Picks with the later RTs and then with Dave's Picks. Now we're getting 4 complete shows a year, plus boxes and muti-trakc stuff, at a pace that rivals the CD heyday of the late 90s/early 2000s. I credit DL2 with selecting shows and presenting ideas to Rhino that preserved the Archival Series. Not only that, he slowly advanced box sets, showing that there is a market for even these behemoth 80-disc boxes. Those would never have happened without DL2. Call me crazy for thinking that he deserves our gratitude, rather than being called a shill.
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    I would like to think...
    that Dave L. is a deadhead first and foremost and that he truly is enthused about the releases that he works on. I also would assume that since Dave's Picks are his selections from the best stuff available then they should be worth the hype. HOWEVER, not everything released deserves to be labelled "among the best shows ever". Does anyone else think that phrase gets tossed around a lot?
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    Didn't anyone hand you a cup of Kool Ade?Didn't you drink it? DL2 is either too in love with TGD to have any trustworthy critical faculties, or he is a shill and a huckster. There is no available data to examine on the issue, so feel free to suppose what you will. I think the fact that he gets paid by an organization that seeks to profit from the sale of GD music points to the shill/huckster choice. YMMV.
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    anyone out there think dave stretched it just a little bit calling this show one of the best shows ever ?
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    My understanding of the "gap' issue w/MP3s
    MP3 is a term that actually refers to several data encoding methods. Some of them work in a way that results in a silence of maybe 1/10-1/3 of a second preceding the sound. This silence is composed of non-sound data (the "tag" info such as song title, etc.). With regular studio album tracks, this silence is a non-issue. In return for that silence, you get the song info displayed on your screen, sortability in iTunes, etc.For concert recordings, that micro-gap SUCKS! D/Ling FLAC will avoid that problem, due to different encoding methods. It also means that you are receiving audio that has not been comb-filtered to reduce the data package size. MP3 encoding uses a comb-filter to reduce the amount of data required to make the audio file. Great for D/L speed, search speed, etc, but not great for audio fidelity. I D/L lots of concert recordings and then edit the files on my computer before burning to CD. With the right software, those micro-silences are easy to visualize and snip. However, you still have sub-CD-quality ("lossy") audio. D/Ling FLAC means much longer D/L times and more Hard Drive space useage, but you get CD quality ("lossless") sound. Even if you feel (like I do) that 320k MP3s sound fine, if you burn them to CDR as audio files and then your buddy uses that CDr to make MP3s, he has double-filtered the audio and that definately degrades the sound... I D/L FLAC, edit that, burn CDrs, then convert some of the FLACs to MP3s for my iTunes. P.S. I have run into some FLAC D/Ls that do have the front-end micro-silences. It is my opinion that these files were made from MP3s. I also believe that some MP3 playback systems are smart enough to inaudibly skip over those front-end gaps.
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    Digital D/L gap?
    @ 7thWalker Maybe it's your player? I D/L all the FLAC releases and playback the FLACS or whatever I covert them to, and playback on Foobar easily with no gaps as well as my iPod and USB flash drive for car, etc... always seemless.
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    Re: Download availability -7thWalker
    7thWalker, I successfully downloaded the entire "Download Series" as they were released in 2005 & 2006 in the lossless FLAC format. Using Traders Little Helper to convert my FLAC files into .wav files and using RealPlayer to burn the .wav files to CD-R, I got a slightly better sound and no gaps between tracks as compared to the mp3 format. With mp3 you get a very minor fidelity issues and with my burning software, RealPlayer, there were gaps between the song tracks. I had also downloaded the 2 "Road Trips: Full Show" selections of 11/5/79 & 11/6/79. I believe you were describing mp3 to CD-R downloads and I, like you, don't like gaps between song tracks. One of the Download Series was purchased/downloaded in the mp3 format along with the FLAC counterpart of "Download Series Volume 8 - 12/10/73 Charlotte, N.C." All my other GD music is CD and DVD video.
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    You are right on. There are more than enough heads out there that will purchase individual shows. Make it happen! We don't need artwork( by the way much of the artwork on the subscription series has been sloppy,juvenile and below previous standards). We sure don't need some other deadhead(that happens to work for the GD) choosing what we listen to and then charging us an ass load of our meager income for it. Let us choose what we listen to and then take the freeze off the archive. Sorry, but the sterilized soundboards are not what I heard.
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Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Morrison, CO 7/8/1978 CD

Ease them in! Hook your favorite future Dead Head up with the complete July 8, 1978 show from Red Rocks, widely considered one of the greatest concerts in Grateful Dead history.

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Submitted by ikoiko1010 on Wed, 06/29/2016 - 15:13

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Not sure what world you are living in. Personally, I have no problem with the band and the business making whatever profit they desire to make. People are employed, food is put on the table and the product pedaled is wonderful music and it's related paraphernalia. Having said that, the truth is that YES, the price point for some of their products are in fact more expensive that other bands, especially their vinyl. The band members are in fact very well off. They earned it. I have no problem with any of these facts. I just refuse to pretend that deadnet and the band members are operating with a very thin margin and that the guys are not all driving BMWs or have at least one in their garage. The Dead is very much a business and making a good profit is definitely of the utmost importance. Last year's 50th anniversary celebration's and the multitude of revenue streams resulting from the concerts, is a perfect case to back up this fact.
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Submitted by jgb1081 on Fri, 07/01/2016 - 13:24

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overall, Weir is an integral part of the dead's genius. but am I the only one who cannot listen to many shows due to his constant playing throughout many of the tunes? did the rest of the band ignore the noise that he was producing. His playing often pushed the jams into some of the incredible places and spaces but his slide playing ruins many great shows...
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Submitted by guit30 on Sun, 07/03/2016 - 03:49

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Can anyone reccommend nice set of headphones, like open back type with only one cord. not one to each side. Currently have set of Sennheiser HDCD 485 that I bought new in 2008.They have served well ,but they are not made anymore. Before the I had a set of Grado eGR60s, which had an awesome sound across the aural spectrum. These are a Chinese version of their GR60s, which have the same drivers, but every thing else is cheaper. Looking for 60 to $95 range. Thanks JIm
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Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Wed, 11/16/2016 - 07:11

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Ages ago, probably about 40 years ago, I had a pair of Koss Pro-4AA's. In a word - EXCELLENT! Later on in the 80's, I was turned onto the Sennheiser sound with their HD 480's - again they sounded excellent, a bit better than the Koss and much lighter in weight, and my ears didn't sweat with the light foam earpads.Eventually, I got tired of headphones and the Koss Pro-4AA's were sold, but kept the Sennheisers. I didn't use cans for many years after that. Just a couple of years ago, in 2011, I took the Sennheisers out again and noticed some wear & tear, and was able to track down replacement parts for them - a new cable & pads, via ebay. Just last year, I was turned onto Sennheiser's HD 280 pro. Excellent sound! They are my current cans. I recommend them. Their drawback is that they're a closed system and my ears sweat. I forgot how much I paid for them at amazon.com. A good buy for the buck, imho. I also have a reproduction Koss Pro-4AA, good but not excellent. They are my cans for Europe 72 CR, May dates.
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Submitted by mhammond12 on Sun, 07/03/2016 - 09:23

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Sony mdr v6. Very common in professional recording studios and broadcast studios as the go to work horse cans. $100.
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Submitted by jaydoublu on Mon, 07/04/2016 - 21:33

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Currently using Sennheiser HD 202. They have a frequency range of 18hz to 18khz. Being that we hear in the range of 20hz to 20khz, they exceed our hearing range and run about $25.00....10 foot cord is a plus.
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Submitted by mickey121 on Wed, 07/06/2016 - 20:16

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Old school AKG K 240 studio, a classic phone
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 08/03/2016 - 19:01

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I thinks:Tough call on the disc 3 topic. I guess they could have thrown some filler from some other non-July show on there. I wouldn't miss out on this mammoth 7/8 show over 50 minutes of non-existant music. If you're going to do that, you may as well boycott the 50 CDs worth of drums and space that have been released. My links: Social Media Tool Marketer Live Review Best Training Course about COPYWritting QIC Review And New Training Course about E-commerce Firesale Review
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Submitted by boyS0ck on Tue, 01/17/2017 - 07:17

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I was all excited to see that mine was just 30 miles away on Monday buy now the tracking is showing it 500 miles away in another state - it does appear to be heading back in my direction though - can't wait to hear it.If you free, visit my website:mark-review.com
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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Thu, 02/23/2017 - 11:39

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Anyone ever buy the expensive Italian bootleg of this show? It was put out in the mid nineties and a friend bought it then for $69.95! Quality was not up to the current standards. Now a bargain at $30. P.S. Anyone else have their system label Dead.net as an unsafe website? Maybe it is all these strange links folks are putting in their comments??

I had a friend who recorded a bootleg 8/7/78 onto a cassette for me back in the 90s. As I remember it, this was one of the better bootlegs I heard in terms of sound quality. Another reasonable one was 5/8/77...and 10/29/77, come to think of it. I never heard, bought or was given a bootleg by The Dead that stopped me from buying the official release when/if it came out.
Same with other bands. But bootlegs always had an under the counter appeal for me The lure of the illicit, perhaps.

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Submitted by LedDed on Tue, 01/14/2020 - 16:39

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One of my best friends just passed unexpectedly at 57. I'm not looking for sympathy or for anyone to say they're sorry. Life happens to us all. But, in his honor I am going to share a story here with some who I think will understand with a nod and a wink. ;-p

After loading our gear into my then-new Dodge Hemi Ram pickup we hurriedly scarfed some Taco Bell on Colorado Boulevard (right before Guitar Center) before getting into the drugs. Rule #1, always eat first. We cranked up the Santana and merged into rush hour traffic heading south on I-25 out of Denver, getting our swerve on as the sun began to set.

Soon, it was time to chow down on a responsible amount of stems and caps... let it come on slowly through the food. As the sun bled out and our warm glow came on, a little snort of Peru's finest here and there felt right every 30 minutes or so with a couple of Oskar Blues Old Chub's chilling in the console.

The iPod continued to broadcast in spades: Doors, Rolling Stones, Dead, Aerosmith as we barreled on into the night. Anyone who has ever driven from Denver to New Mexico knows about cruising across that tranquil valley with nothing but the stars above, the peaks all around and a beautiful midnight blue moonlight bathing the road in it's heavenly glow.

Taking a left turn, inching closer to Taos, a surreal scene: there's a redneck/biker bar on the corner, surely cop-infested as there ain't shit else around for miles... in our beautifully building sublime state I glance over and shudder at the sight of pickup trucks and rednecks outside smoking cigarettes and what would feel like a most unwelcome, dark scene had we decided to enter that bar.

We sure as shit didn't - and the moment that thought floated across my consciousness, we were both startled by the sight of some freak in a woman's blouse trying to flag us down.

I shit you not - a late fiftysomething man in a floral blouse with big, pouffy Phil Spector hair trying to flag us down, waving his arms and standing on the shoulder. I punched that fucker (the Ram, not Phil) for all it was worth, gamely explaining to Jim, "It isn't our time to help!"

Normally, we would have - but we weren't just normal at the moment - and we were holding, big time - and the last thing we needed was to be tied into freak drama on the outskirts of redneck hell in some unincorporated county. This dude was avoiding that bar - or maybe his trouble started there - for the same reasons we were. Sorry, brother, another time.

We finally made it to the Taos Inn. Jim went over and checked us in, and madness ensued for days skiing both Taos and Monarch. This was just one trip of many. I miss you, brother.

God bless everyone.

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Submitted by muffin on Wed, 02/10/2021 - 23:57

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At least you’ve got some memories and they will always be with you. He’s gone too soon and I’m sorry for you loss, but man stories like that just remind me of how many crazy nights on tour getting from venue to venue maybe a day off, but usually just a longer distance. Those crazy nights of what you need to stay awake makes the ride that much better!

***I hit reply to LEDDED, but it apparently decided to post alone. Tried to fix it, but kept doing the same thing. Maybe IT should check that out?***

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 01/05/2022 - 18:15

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at how this show was viewed at the time by my Deadhead mentor Tim and myself as a newbie. The veteran from CA hadn't seen them since the hiatus I think. His impressions were of how high the band seemed and the reckless abandon with which they played. He had that look on his face as he was talking about it right after the show of "how did they pull that off". I could tell it was historical in his experience even then, and it certainly was in mine. Legendary!
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