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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .
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    you can have WAV discs with itunes
    Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree
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    i agree....
    for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    I hav`nt noticed difference
    in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..
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    I recommend...
    switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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My apologies for going incommunicado for a little while . . . work and medical stuff blindsided me. Nothing serious, but enough to make trips to the post office a more difficult thing to fit into the schedule. I'll be getting back in the game today, at least with regard to moving along the vines in my possession. ~~~~~~~ "They say Cain caught Abel rolling loaded dice"
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I have some video that I might be seeding sometime in the future , it would fit on either two standard dvd`s or 1 DVD-DL. What do you all think about dual layer dvd`s ? " Im a King Bee "
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they should save room. you just copy one side and then flip it over to copy the next, right?
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is all on one side . 8.5 gig on one side ! They are a little expensive as compared to regular dvd`rs. twice the disc space for almost twice the price , kinda like a ying - yang thing here . they are nice for all that storage room !! But if not many people know about them , then it may not be a good idea to vine something on a duel layer dvd hua ?
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as far as I know all dvd players can handle them . and any computer should be able to copy them . I hav`nt had any problemes with them .
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forgot to say .. of course you need another DL to copy to . or copy into a hard drive but you still will need a DL when your ready to burn it .
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I hate breaking the energy flow with a disc change. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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just put a warning that at $15 a disc, reseeds may not be as readily available as other seeds. I would think folks that have dl capability would be glad to see this - and hopefully those that can't handle at least a conversion won't sign up for it. I have a pc that has dl capability, but i've never explored it. I don't have alot of video & do most of my archiving on hard drives i've acquired over the years.
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Once I figure exactly what shows I`ll do I will post them along with a disclaimer explaining dl capacity and the expense of dl disc as far as re-seeds and al that goes . Thanks for the input guys , I really appreciate it !!
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Just posted this in the specific vine forum.... but I am loving this run so much that I thought I would put the word out here as well..... This vine was just sent to the last person on the list and will be available soon! Thanks all. Raymond
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I am still around, but I will be busy this week and will not be able to respond to PMs after today. I am not aware of anything heading my way. If it comes, in, it will be next week before it goes out.
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Do you lie awake at night wishing that there was a vine named after you? Sleep easy my friend, because your wish has come true. The first person to post here in the metatopic the 4 shows from 1979 that he would like vined will have said vine named after him. Or if he is a she it will be named after her. The vine will be 1 DVD of SHN/FLAC and as many WAV CDs that the 4 shows break down to (probably 12).
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2-09-1979 Soldiers' and Sailors' Memorial Hall2-10-1979 Soldiers' and Sailors' Memorial Hall 2-11,1979 Venue Kiel Auditorium 2-17,1979 Oakland Coliseum. This was Keith and Donna's last show with the Dead. Sorry guys, I'm not a big fan of Brent.
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You are going to piss off Marye with that Brett comment. :>). Derek, I like the sound of "The Beggar's Tomb Brentless '79 Vine." Thanks. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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That name sounds good, Pomo1. I will work on it and post by this weekend
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Backing vocals over Donna's any day of the week!!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Donna still is a wonderful performer and did add quite a bit of stage presence during her time with the band. Don't let infrequent moments on some of the recordings diminish her accomplishments or contributions to the band. Brent, on the other hand, really didn't fill the void after she left, but he was an outstanding keyboardist.
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Donna's contributions. I just don't overly care for her singing especially when she over does it. I just know that when GD plays a song like Playing in the Band for example and it is in the 70's I better turn down the volume because her wailing makes me jump out of my seat at times :-) Same affect I get when fingers run down a chalk board. I prefer Brent's mellower, grittier tone but hey its just my opinion bro! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Hi GD folks, well, I'd like to replace this specific one CD that circulated around 2001 or so....As many of you know there were two gaps in the legendary Cornell show from 77 .... one in the begininng of the show on "minglewood blues" and the other in " lazy lightning>supplication" Apparently, there was a master cassette source that was run by Betty or somebody on the crew that has a soundboard patch option since that music was run and wasn't sourced off the reels... so, with all the crazy re-mastering that has happened for example the neat "matrix" sources with aud patches, etc. ... Why didn't somebody patch with a soundboard master cassette? There's not too much lacking but with really good software a engineer could EQ and level out the difference really well.... has anybody seen this one CDR floating around , and if so , please seed it - so we can finally get rid of the aud patches that circulate so much on this show.... sincerely, Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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I am going to seed a multi-part 79 vine, the best shows from Donna/Keith's final tour, early Brent, Fall, etc. I do not have the time to convert all of these to WAV. So what I was wondering, what would people think if I converted one show per part (probably 4 shows per part) and asked the first three persons to convert one show each? So the first 3 people would have to do FLAC/SHN.
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I would be willing to convert a show to .wav and add it in.... are people anxious for the wav files instead of the flac/shn?? I know Oroboros wants .wav....I guess there are others too.... Want to separate them out and keep the one lossless vine and then do 2 shows per .wav vine? Just throwing out an idea.... Thanks for all of this wonderful music!! I am now finallly being able to pay back a bit... with reseeds.... and I am happy to do it!! Raymond
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Hey all.... I have a vine here for Birdsong who is next... and I don't have an address.... did I read that he was on an extended vacation for 5 weeks? Couldn't find that post if I did... can anyone send me his address?? Hate to hold this one.... the May 1981 Vine thats just getting started from JStrawinColorado.... PM me if you know.... thought for sure I had it but I don't.... Thanks. Raymond
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I'll help out with wav conversion if you want to send out wav... Although its been nice having some lower postage lately! :-) Thanks again for all the 70's stuff dstache!!!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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that MarkintheDark and I planned on vining before his disappearance. The Talking Heads was the first (does anybody know if that got mailed?). Some of the others included Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, David Bowie, and some more Pink Floyd. Has anyone heard from him at all?
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I am a little surprised it has not happened already ... but I can seed the 3 Furthur shows if there is interest?? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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I'll be the first one on it if possible.
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Hell Yea!! That would be great! Raymond
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Ok cool I'll do it then! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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anything about DaveC?Just noticed he was next on 2 vines.... one was posted as sent to him.... the other was ready to go out to him but wasn't posted as sent. One was Erickat's Glen Falls 82 vine all the way back to the end of April.... the other was JStraw from Colo's Late August 80 Vine from 5-6 weeks ago. Hoping they are not lost! Just curious.... Raymond
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He's the next on ABB at Beacon. Any news somebody?
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I've always found him to be reliable, even did a trade or two with him. I doubt he was the one who killed the 82 vine.
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This one is apparently on its way to me....complete. Marye has frozen the forum....due to the new Winterland release. In order to keep the vine moving, I can remove those shows and reburn that one DVD.... and then continue the vine. With that being said, I can do anything else as well.... so let me know what you all think. As always.... I am deeply appreciative of the efforts many have made to keep this vineyard vibrant and fruitful.... Thanks!! Raymond
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I think the best way to go forward is to simply remove the three shows, re-burn the DVD that they were on, and pass it on. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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Hi Gang, I never received the Glens Falls vine - I just replied to Raymond though, that I recently moved and there may have been a delay, as there was for the Aug 80 vine (which I did receive and is ready to go out - I will find that page and IM the person next on that vine). I also have the May/July/Aug 81 vine ready to go, so at least I know THOSE vines reached me. I will get up to date on all relevant pages today. And I will keep on the lookout for Glens Falls, but honestly, I son't know where that one is....
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i agree remove the three show and move the vine on. i think i have all three shows from SBD on cassette tape. us old tapers aren't "old and in the way".
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Boy, I missed a lot of good stuff. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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Derek, me, and a few others put out a late 79' part one and two (lovin rhino vine)vine about a year ago, and the quality of the the recordings of these shows is so so. They are also MP3 from wav. Anyone interested in sourcing lossless better quality versions of these shows? and reseeding? These shows just slay.......Dstache? "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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new version just posted welcome back Birdsong!
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Yeah, I am going to circulate the run of shows from late Oct, easily the high point of 1979. That will probably be the next "best of 79" vine I seed. It should be posted in a week or two.
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DSB of 18th Sept now appearing :-)More to come apparently
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This Vine is in my possession.... my plan is to burn new discs which will not include the recently released Winterland shows. This will take the vine from 4 DVDs to 3. After I finish that burn I can post the new order of discs here for Marye's approval (?) so we can keep this vine growing. Is that approrpriate and acceptable? Please advise. Thanks all. Raymond
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There seems to be general agreement on this so if Raymond sends me the updated contents I can post that and open the comments back up and the vine can reflourish... Thanks all. And welcome back birdsong!
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A 1980 acoustic vine would be great. You could probably fit all the acoustic sets on 2 DVDs. It would break down into too many CDs but WAV files could be vined in parts for the FLACless. Many of the electric sets are supposed to be forgettable so I would be more than satisfied with just the acoustic sets. I'd still like to see the rest of the Brent 1990 shows vined. I was pleasantly surprised with the 1984 shows that were recently vined and would like to acquire more of the GOOD ONES (there are many clunkers from that year and I have no need for them). A discerning seeder is required here, haha. As for me, I will work on getting more of 1979 out there. I have the entire year. I vined the shows I thought were the best from Donna & Keith's final tour plus some requests from Beggar's Tomb. I will vine the best of from the fall tour (the late Oct run, duh) and the early Brent shows once I listen to them.
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I'd love some tasty Acoustic Dead....and yes, PLEASE on the Brent shows. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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started by dstache and crew 1977 Lossless: Part 3 (6/4-10/14) avatar On August 9th, 2009 dstache said: Part 3 of this vine is ready to go. Multiple sources for many of the shows in this period will be included. Thanks again to jsfc, Hippy, Pomo1, Estim8ed, Arkdeadhead, CB, Rick and Richard for all their help! Sources: (Revised Sept. 2009 due to official release of Winterland '77. Buy it! ) 77-06-04.bertrando.goodbear.3417 77-06-04.fob.menke.motb.0096.97183 77-09-28.95952.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb 77-09-29.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb 77-10-01.sbd.crouch-diebert-gmb.86234 77-10-02.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb.86354 77-10-06.sbd.gorinsky.5804 77-10-07.s2.sbd.miller.80753 77-10-09.sbd.miller.xxxxx 77-10-11.sbd.miller.87514 77-10-12.sbd.cotsman.19291 77-10-14.sbd.tetzeli.34260
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Namely the 1980 halloween run in NY plus 10/3/80. I just didn't know if I could vine these because some of them are on Reckoning??? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Since Reckoning is a compilation, I believe it is ok to vine the shows from which it was taken. Anyone have any more of the shows? The acoustic sets should all fit on 2 DVDs so it would be nice to do them all at once. But just those shows would be fine too.