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  • Kate_C.
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    Pig - endings

    It's late on a Sunday and that means bed soon, but since my quick reply to TD's inquiry below, I've been further thinking about the tragedy of Pig - and I certainly think of it that way despite the manifest personal responsibility for the consequences of near incessant alcohol abuse from a young age. It's a spiraling decline that seems particularly pathos-laden given the picture of a gentle, genial man that emerges from all the familiar documentary sources.

    I take notes or attempt to catalogue page references by subject from my little library of the Dead, but realize I've done a poor job on this particular subject - and certainly during the general time frame implied by TD's question. So, I wanted to share a couple relevant - and heartbreakingly poignant - passages from Jackson's "Garcia/American Life" that I've revisited since:

    First, McIntire speaking: "I remember one day Garcia coming into my office and saying, 'Look, I'm really worried about Pig. I think his life is in danger, and I want to do whatever we can. The band'll pay for everything. Let's find out if there's anything we can do.' So I researched it and I found out the most famous place in the world for liver problems was Sheila Sherlock's clinic in London. But my doctor, Sandor Bernstein, said there was a guy at UCSF [University of California and San Francisco] who was as good. So we slotted Pig with him. And Pig jumped in and did, too. He stopped drinking and he learned all the things about nutrition that he could. He really tried, but it was too late."

    And second: "[On the tour] he rode on the hard bus, this Danish bus, which was sort of like the crew bus," Annette Flowers said. "It was the quieter of the two buses usually. Pigpen lived on the back bench of that bus. ... I think that trip sort of sunk it for him; put him over. It was really grueling in a lot of ways." "He got knocked off that bench five or six times," Rock Scully recalled. "He rolled off that bench and a couple of times he really hurt himself I could see it; he really hurt his kidneys and bruised himself. I'd have to help him off the bus."

    "He really tried, but it was too late." A short, simple statement, but one that can put fault lines in even a strong foundation. I recall reading that Pig sent Veronica away as his condition became increasingly acute, which, in light of other information, clearly underscores what a lonely and frankly terrifying period those final 12-18 months must have been for that kindhearted soul./K

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    Tape Trade Policy

    I posted this in the taper forum, but thought this may be the better spot (also, patience is not a virtue of mine). I am sure this exists in written form somewhere, I just can't seem to find it.

    What is the official band policy for trading in shows that have been officially released? Specifically, I am wondering about the ones that were released officially but are out of print. Seems to me that if they are not for sale currently, we would not be costing the band money by trading those shows. In fact, the only folks it would cost are those selling the out of print releases at a profit on the secondary market. Just curious what the official policy is on this considering the volume of official releases these days.

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    Yes. I suspect Pig was resting from his short reunion tour with the band in December '71 and fortifying his commitment to sobriety in what had to have been an unfathomably difficult lifestyle change (if not in terms of medical necessity, then certainly in practice).

    "Ace" was recorded from January - March '72, but recall that Pig's alcohol-related health problems forced a touring hiatus in August '71 that culminated with hospitalization in September for bleeding ulcers, hepatitis, and spleen problems. He was only able to rejoin the Dead beginning early December in Boston, at which time I recall Phil describing Ron as shockingly frail in his book. Not surprisingly, Pig's contributions are limited, and while progressively more energetic throughout the month (at least to my ears), they are still anemic by historical standards; though by NYE he sounds beat.

    In retrospect, it's a miracle that the Dead community (once and future) got Pig back in functional form for the brilliantly recorded European tour, especially given how quickly he dropped off radar for related health problems afterward.

    EDIT: And yes, "sabbatical" serves as a neat and entirely appropriate bit of shorthand in conversation among those who know....

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    essentially it was a dead album with everyone on board contributing except for Micky who was on a sabbatical, (as i see it) and Pig, why wasnt Pig contributing? was he too sick at the time?

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    RE: NYE '69

    CC, your post invites a bit of confusion by suggesting that you saw both the Dead and TSOC on the same NYE bill at Winterland in '69; though 50 years is an understandably long time. It's hard to imagine, but the Dead were not playing on a West Coast home field that December 31st, and were rather in the midst of an odd eastbound triptik that took them to Dallas on 12/26, Hollywood (FL) on 12/28, and the Boston Tea Party on 12/29-30, while closing out at the Fillmore East on 1/2-3/70.

    Indeed, the '69 NYE playbill on the poster you linked does not name the Dead. So TSOC and the GoGD were on opposite coasts at the decade's close. In any event, here's a link to a CM SBD for the Dead's '69 NYE show:
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/12/31?source=87994

    Incidentally, I couldn't find a poster for Boston NYE, but here's one from the night before (it would appear the promo dept. missed the spirit of the "grateful" dead; you'd think an impossibly early incarnation of Maiden was playing that night!):
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YQBsfGwVEeo/TUSkqEWWy3I/AAAAAAAARQs/qRvbGdWK_…

    However, you are correct that the Dead played NYE '70 at Winterland, but, consistent with the playbill cited in Deadbase50, the following promo poster does not show TSOC on the same stage, but rather NRPS, "assorted friends" (apparently Hot Tuna), and Stoneground (note also, "lights by Little Princess 109").
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/030/0/8448089/il_570xN.542921874_q4nc.jpg

    Checking Deadbase, here's a link to what seems the complete NYE '70 show; however, it appears to be mix of AUD and FM broadcast that provides poor sound quality through Cumberland (even so, the Truckin' opener is well worth a listen), but thankfully improves in time for the set's highlights at Cryptical and China>Rider through close at UJB.
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/12/31?source=88719

    Regardless of which show you attended, either would've been a great way to kick off your own personal attendance record! Got a story?/K

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    Thanks for sharing this post i really like this post

  • DaveStrang
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    You may want to post this on the Dave's Picks 31 thread so more people see it. Most folks are there.

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    I can not find the 1st GD…

    I can not find the 1st GD show I attended anywhere in GD archives. No GD archive lists the same bands that I saw that night, as confirmed by the Sons archive which has the poster from that night:

    <<Wednesday, December 31, 1969: '1969 New Years Eve 1970', Winterland 2000 Post Street at Steiner Street, San Francisco, California
    The band was billed only as 'The Sons' on the poster printed for this show. Also on the bill: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna. Lights by Brotherhood of Light. This show, from 8:00pm to 8:00am, was promoted by Bill Graham Presents In San Francisco.>>
    http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/the-sons-of-champlin.html

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    How do I update my address…

    How do I update my address for my Dave's subscription? Want to make sure #31 gets safely home!

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    limited releases logic explained

    Could you please explain the logic of "limited releases" as it applies to an "alternative" business model, such as the grateful dead" The "limited release" model is a concept taken from the good old music biznezz, in order to promote sales, keep prices high, and maintain collector value of limited products.
    I "missed" the window for daves pick's 30, a rare release from the year 1970, the first show that I recorded 1/3/70. I was disappointed, but managed to get one on a record/cd selling site. I paid double, but I still saved $$$, as I do not want to purchase a "subscription" to the daves picks yearly releases, as I am primarily interested in obtaining music from the 1966-1970 period, and not many releases are from these years. I guess I could always buy a subscription, and then sell off the unwanted items on another site for a profit, which is what this concept does, encourages a "black market". I do not consider this to be "progressive" in the least. I would rather purchase through GDCORP, as I have in the past, but if GDCORP wants to encourage this type of atmosphere, I am forced to participate in order to get what I want, and I am grateful to the sellers who have made it possible to get what I want. But it sure seems contrary to what Jerry's idea of business was.

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At this point, I don't think so. Many navigational issues are coming to light and being dealt with , and I will say this one is driving me nuts also! So thanks for speaking up.
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I think that's a huge one, especially for someone like me coming over here from the Well. a nice nav button or two at the bottom of the current topic to either go back to the list or forward to the next topic with new replies would be huge.
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Yer preachin' to the choir on this one, and I've also raised the issue that it would be swell to have posts numbered.
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Who should comments regarding the Shows list go to? I already found a few errors and I've only looked at PA shows.
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Yes, so have I (not to mention things like Dylan not getting mentioned in the Dead/Dylan shows, leaving the befuddled reader to figure it out from the setlist...). For now, hold that thought and I'll see where this stuff should go. I.e., I don't want to land a pile of this stuff on the wrong person's desk!
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i'll start a list but damn, if only The Matrix had REALLY been in my little town of Media, PA ;-)
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Yeah, and somewhere there's a Greek show sandwiched between two East Coast shows, too. I think not, alas.
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Okay, here's the answer to that one: send show errata as Private Messages to Jonathan Lane (that's his name and his ID).
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hey i was uploading digital DL on gdstore.com and the store closed before i finish downloading what I purchased. what shall I do Now? Chris, France
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mail will be coming to Jonathan tomorrow. i had a file open all afternoon at work, and was clicking around a LOT during one particular long hold time...
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How do you mark all messages as "READ"? Or do you literally have to view each post? I can't seem to find it anywhere...
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I set my location on the google map in my account but it doesn't show up on the big map of all the members. Also, why can't I post a new topic in the forums? Might As Well
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Topic creation is being moderated for the time being, J.Chimmy. Please ask if there is a topic you'd like to see! -iz
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Re the topics, we're trying to keep the number of them manageable till we figure out how this whole thing is working, but don't be shy about asking for the ones you want, as izzie says. Re the google map, did you type in your full street address? it seems to want that. If you did, must be something else and we'll investigate further...
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Yeah, Google maps needs your street address and zip code, and might be a little slow on the uptake right now. (I just checked it for something else and it's a little slow for me at least.)
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Okay cool, I was just wanting to add a band to the forum about other good bands to see (My Morning Jacket). I didn't realize that it needed by full address, I just have city and zip code. I'll just add my full address. Thanks for the help and the quick reply.
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Hey, we know all about that map issue because until izzie figured it out the map was putting us off the ivory Coast! I'll go see if I can find a home for the Morning Jackets...
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Yeah peoples. If you're getting placed off the Ivory Coast of Africa, the next time some one asks you where Zero Lat/Zero Long is... you'll know!
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J.Chimmy, You may want take a moment and ask yourself if you really want your personal information listed publicly on a website.
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Dire has a very valid point. I'm not sure how publicly visible your street address would be on your profile, but you truly might want to check it out. Indeed, that's why I'm still off the Ivory Coast when I'm really in Oakland.
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If someone who isn't a mod wants to click on my profile, feel free to send me a PM if you can see my address! It's not exact, but close enough to get me in my block here in Ocean Beach.
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Greetings! I am enjoying the new site! Just wondering if it might be possible to create discussions for other touring band members like Donna Jean and TC?
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Doug, no problem, I'll get on it shortly.
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I'm with Dire Wolf on this one . . . I can somewhat understand that the folks behind the scenes here might be interested in demographics of the inhabitants of this place . . . I can also see where it might be helpful to the inhabitants who hope to market what they do or even perhaps themselves . . . however, it is kind of creepy knowing that the general populace might be able to avail themselves of someones home address . . .
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is there a way to NOT go back to the first page of a thread after making a post? in another thread that is now 2 pages long, after i posted something, it automatically took me back to the start of the thread rather than to my post (the end of the thread) peace.
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CCJoe: is there a way to NOT go back to the first page of a thread after making a post? Not that I've been able to find you. I have learned, though, that if you want to Reply to a particular post, and use the Repy option, it puts that original post alone on your screen so you can see it, no matter where on the page you were when you found it. I've also learned that the All Recent Posts button there on Dead.Community gets you to a screen with, who knew, all the recent posts marked as . Will that help at least a little?
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well, the next screen popped up on the top of the page... meaning I had to scroll down to see what I put. I wonder how that will work on a two page thread. I'll give it another try on a 2 page thread. I suppose it will just take some getting used to. I use a Mac most of the time, so I never got used to doing that right click thang to scroll down. (actually, my Mac had a really weird set up for the opening screen, but I think that is a local problem at home since the software and explorer version is a little old...) peace.
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OK, I'm a slow learner. ( -; I tried it with the 2 page introduction thread, and it did, indeed, go back to the first page, from the top, all over again. though I do see what you mean about hitting reply. that would help with the cut and paste quote thing, but oh well, if I gotta scroll down, and then hit 'last page' I guess that is what I gotta do. then, another thing, after I did the 'test' in the Introduction thread, I tried to go back and delete it, but I couldn't figure out how to do that. so, (OK, I promise these will be my last questions for a while) is there a way to delete posts? other than editing it, and writing in deleted? because you can not re-post an empty field... is there a time limit on the edit feature? this I would think would be a good idea for the sake of continuity and NOT being able to re-write history. peace.
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the mods (as we learned!) have the Delete key. We're planning to delete obvious duplicative posts and stuff like that. But we'll tell you first! (really, Joe. We'll tell you first.)
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Is it possible to have a listing for shows we attended like the Dead for individual member shows and side projects like, Phil & Friends, Rat Dog, The Other Ones, The Dead, Mickey, Rhythm Devils, Go Ahead ect ect ect........ I like the feature for the Shows We attended and that we can post comments about them. It would be cool to do that for the aformentioned side projects. Thanks.
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izzie wrote: "But we'll tell you first! (really, Joe. We'll tell you first.)" no problemo. it was a weird mind fuck, though. total twilight Zone... ( -:
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Any one know why the site wont let me post a new forum topic?
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Please check the FAQ section in Before You Get Started in the Welcome Mat area for details. Short version, we're trying to get things working, and trying to do so with a manageable number of topics. We're also trying to build a system that works for people who come from a lot of different systems with a lot of different features. On some (DNC, for example) you can't create topics at all. On others (the Well, for example) you can. We already have some people complaining there are too many topics. We have others complaining because they can't start 'em. We don't know at this point what it will look like long term. Meanwhile, if you want a particular topic, send a Private Message to me or izzie, and we'll do our best to get it going. Thank you.
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Hi, why is the time an hour off from SF time. Actually an hour west of me is someplace in the pacific between SF and Hawaii, i.e.,S F is 5:06 and Hawaii is 2:06 but the time posted when I posted my last post was 4:06 - it was 5:05 here in SF, which would put the website's time an hour west of me. hmmm...
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Thanks (((marye)))! I thought maybe there was someplace that is the Axis an hour time zone away from here. LOL!
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An hour off San Francisco time?? I thought it was an hour off Seatlle time. Hmmmm.
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Personally, I'm totally no pressure about getting these bugs et al worked out - good job, everyone involved. I was trying to be funny, but I am happy to give feedback re: my experiences here on dead.net.
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Anyone else remember "Zero Zero Island"?
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about how much memory, or how big are the privte message in-boxes and out-boxes?? anyway to add somthing that will tell us when they are getting full?? I'd like to keep the old messages around, but I do not want a new message to get sent back because the box was full unbeknownst to me. thankx. peace.
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I dunno, but it's a good question. I'll ask the tech folks.
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what happen to the month of April? It only has one week :-(
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I dunno. I'd suggest sending email to David Lemieux in the Tapers section (his email is listed there). Maybe he was on hiatus for a few weeks!