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  • Kate_C.
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    Pig - endings

    It's late on a Sunday and that means bed soon, but since my quick reply to TD's inquiry below, I've been further thinking about the tragedy of Pig - and I certainly think of it that way despite the manifest personal responsibility for the consequences of near incessant alcohol abuse from a young age. It's a spiraling decline that seems particularly pathos-laden given the picture of a gentle, genial man that emerges from all the familiar documentary sources.

    I take notes or attempt to catalogue page references by subject from my little library of the Dead, but realize I've done a poor job on this particular subject - and certainly during the general time frame implied by TD's question. So, I wanted to share a couple relevant - and heartbreakingly poignant - passages from Jackson's "Garcia/American Life" that I've revisited since:

    First, McIntire speaking: "I remember one day Garcia coming into my office and saying, 'Look, I'm really worried about Pig. I think his life is in danger, and I want to do whatever we can. The band'll pay for everything. Let's find out if there's anything we can do.' So I researched it and I found out the most famous place in the world for liver problems was Sheila Sherlock's clinic in London. But my doctor, Sandor Bernstein, said there was a guy at UCSF [University of California and San Francisco] who was as good. So we slotted Pig with him. And Pig jumped in and did, too. He stopped drinking and he learned all the things about nutrition that he could. He really tried, but it was too late."

    And second: "[On the tour] he rode on the hard bus, this Danish bus, which was sort of like the crew bus," Annette Flowers said. "It was the quieter of the two buses usually. Pigpen lived on the back bench of that bus. ... I think that trip sort of sunk it for him; put him over. It was really grueling in a lot of ways." "He got knocked off that bench five or six times," Rock Scully recalled. "He rolled off that bench and a couple of times he really hurt himself I could see it; he really hurt his kidneys and bruised himself. I'd have to help him off the bus."

    "He really tried, but it was too late." A short, simple statement, but one that can put fault lines in even a strong foundation. I recall reading that Pig sent Veronica away as his condition became increasingly acute, which, in light of other information, clearly underscores what a lonely and frankly terrifying period those final 12-18 months must have been for that kindhearted soul./K

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    I posted this in the taper forum, but thought this may be the better spot (also, patience is not a virtue of mine). I am sure this exists in written form somewhere, I just can't seem to find it.

    What is the official band policy for trading in shows that have been officially released? Specifically, I am wondering about the ones that were released officially but are out of print. Seems to me that if they are not for sale currently, we would not be costing the band money by trading those shows. In fact, the only folks it would cost are those selling the out of print releases at a profit on the secondary market. Just curious what the official policy is on this considering the volume of official releases these days.

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    Yes. I suspect Pig was resting from his short reunion tour with the band in December '71 and fortifying his commitment to sobriety in what had to have been an unfathomably difficult lifestyle change (if not in terms of medical necessity, then certainly in practice).

    "Ace" was recorded from January - March '72, but recall that Pig's alcohol-related health problems forced a touring hiatus in August '71 that culminated with hospitalization in September for bleeding ulcers, hepatitis, and spleen problems. He was only able to rejoin the Dead beginning early December in Boston, at which time I recall Phil describing Ron as shockingly frail in his book. Not surprisingly, Pig's contributions are limited, and while progressively more energetic throughout the month (at least to my ears), they are still anemic by historical standards; though by NYE he sounds beat.

    In retrospect, it's a miracle that the Dead community (once and future) got Pig back in functional form for the brilliantly recorded European tour, especially given how quickly he dropped off radar for related health problems afterward.

    EDIT: And yes, "sabbatical" serves as a neat and entirely appropriate bit of shorthand in conversation among those who know....

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    bobby's "Ace" album

    essentially it was a dead album with everyone on board contributing except for Micky who was on a sabbatical, (as i see it) and Pig, why wasnt Pig contributing? was he too sick at the time?

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    RE: NYE '69

    CC, your post invites a bit of confusion by suggesting that you saw both the Dead and TSOC on the same NYE bill at Winterland in '69; though 50 years is an understandably long time. It's hard to imagine, but the Dead were not playing on a West Coast home field that December 31st, and were rather in the midst of an odd eastbound triptik that took them to Dallas on 12/26, Hollywood (FL) on 12/28, and the Boston Tea Party on 12/29-30, while closing out at the Fillmore East on 1/2-3/70.

    Indeed, the '69 NYE playbill on the poster you linked does not name the Dead. So TSOC and the GoGD were on opposite coasts at the decade's close. In any event, here's a link to a CM SBD for the Dead's '69 NYE show:
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/12/31?source=87994

    Incidentally, I couldn't find a poster for Boston NYE, but here's one from the night before (it would appear the promo dept. missed the spirit of the "grateful" dead; you'd think an impossibly early incarnation of Maiden was playing that night!):
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YQBsfGwVEeo/TUSkqEWWy3I/AAAAAAAARQs/qRvbGdWK_…

    However, you are correct that the Dead played NYE '70 at Winterland, but, consistent with the playbill cited in Deadbase50, the following promo poster does not show TSOC on the same stage, but rather NRPS, "assorted friends" (apparently Hot Tuna), and Stoneground (note also, "lights by Little Princess 109").
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/030/0/8448089/il_570xN.542921874_q4nc.jpg

    Checking Deadbase, here's a link to what seems the complete NYE '70 show; however, it appears to be mix of AUD and FM broadcast that provides poor sound quality through Cumberland (even so, the Truckin' opener is well worth a listen), but thankfully improves in time for the set's highlights at Cryptical and China>Rider through close at UJB.
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/12/31?source=88719

    Regardless of which show you attended, either would've been a great way to kick off your own personal attendance record! Got a story?/K

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  • DaveStrang
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    You may want to post this on the Dave's Picks 31 thread so more people see it. Most folks are there.

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    I can not find the 1st GD…

    I can not find the 1st GD show I attended anywhere in GD archives. No GD archive lists the same bands that I saw that night, as confirmed by the Sons archive which has the poster from that night:

    <<Wednesday, December 31, 1969: '1969 New Years Eve 1970', Winterland 2000 Post Street at Steiner Street, San Francisco, California
    The band was billed only as 'The Sons' on the poster printed for this show. Also on the bill: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna. Lights by Brotherhood of Light. This show, from 8:00pm to 8:00am, was promoted by Bill Graham Presents In San Francisco.>>
    http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/the-sons-of-champlin.html

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    How do I update my address…

    How do I update my address for my Dave's subscription? Want to make sure #31 gets safely home!

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    limited releases logic explained

    Could you please explain the logic of "limited releases" as it applies to an "alternative" business model, such as the grateful dead" The "limited release" model is a concept taken from the good old music biznezz, in order to promote sales, keep prices high, and maintain collector value of limited products.
    I "missed" the window for daves pick's 30, a rare release from the year 1970, the first show that I recorded 1/3/70. I was disappointed, but managed to get one on a record/cd selling site. I paid double, but I still saved $$$, as I do not want to purchase a "subscription" to the daves picks yearly releases, as I am primarily interested in obtaining music from the 1966-1970 period, and not many releases are from these years. I guess I could always buy a subscription, and then sell off the unwanted items on another site for a profit, which is what this concept does, encourages a "black market". I do not consider this to be "progressive" in the least. I would rather purchase through GDCORP, as I have in the past, but if GDCORP wants to encourage this type of atmosphere, I am forced to participate in order to get what I want, and I am grateful to the sellers who have made it possible to get what I want. But it sure seems contrary to what Jerry's idea of business was.

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What the hell? I haven't even posted ten times and I'm already banned from posting on the site? I know I didn't enrage anyone that quickly. Somebody please let me know what's going on.
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seeing as you just managed to post perfectly well, the problem you're experiencing must be something else. Please clarify.
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It is wednesday 7:51 pdt and there is none posted--what is the problem ? Some weeks the GDH is posted late Tuesday evening and some weeks not until Friday. Can I help you reorganize whatever is going wrong ? lethedoom
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i saw the dead show in86 at alpine valley wiscosin. there i got a drawing of a steel ur face and it had a skeleton in a robe, plaing a violin with a bone. i have no tats but this will be the only one id consider. please help me find it, also looking for a space ur face tiedye. i know its not abt the site but at this point im desprate.
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you might also try the In Search of Stuff topic.
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I've searched and searched I-Tunes and other downloadable sites looking for a studio recording of The Wheel. Has anybody any idea where I can find one and download? There are plenty of live versions but I can't imagine out of 2500 Dead songs to choose from on I-Tunes there is not one studio recording of one of their top 5 songs ever. They are all live and long. I just want the song. I thought it would be easy. No? What am I doing wrong here?Thanks for any help.
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try the garcia album titled "garcia" it's the one with the arm sticking up out of a gear or cog. there is a fine studio version on there.
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whole album is pretty great!
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It is 8:09 pm monday august 17 and not only is there no Tapers Section posting but no notice or explanation why. I think it would be like saying excuse me when you step on someone's foot to acknowledge that you haven't done something you said you would do ( Next week we have music from 1968 and 1990, so don’t miss it. Some great stuff coming up. We welcome and encourage your questions or comments to the Tapers’ Section, at the address below. David Lemieux vault@dead.net) and perhaps even briefly say why (e.g., is it monday dude ? that shit was so good I was happily paralyzed and thought it was still saturday ). lethedoom
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contrary to the assertion above, the Taper's Section for this week has been up since yesterday at http://www.dead.net/features/august-17-august-23-2009. apparently the homepage didn't get updated, and I'll see about getting that done, but as far as I can tell the TS went up right on schedule and is available at the above link.
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I can't remember the last time I ventured outside the vinyard. I feel like a fish out of water. Marye does a great job over at the vinyard--keeping law and order. Is this a cool hangout?
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well, you might find other interesting corners, yes...:-)
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Hey now, here's a tough one for anyone who might be able to help... I know it is going to be almost impossible but you never know....I have a copy of the above show and at the end of disk 2 there is a terrapin station that is not from this show. After a great reading of the tune, Bobby says "ok, we're outta here" must be an encore and from reading set lists, they did terrapin for encores in 77, can hear Donna on cut so must be from 70's, anybody got any ideas as to what show this version of terrapin came from?
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3/20 Winterland4/22 Philadelphia 4/30 NYC 9/03 Englishtown 11/02 Toronto 12/29 Winterland suggest you listen to 'em on Archive.org to find the one you want good luck
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I was wondering if anyone had any information on getting a copy of the Rothbury show. I was ther and it was one of the most amazing shows I have seen OR heard! ANy information would be greatly appreciated!
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Hi there! I sent off for the Sept. 18, 19, & 20 Furthur shows at the Fox Theater in Oakland through GDTS-TOO. Is it normal for the tickets to arrive in hand to the purchasers less than two weeks before the dates of the shows? The show dates are 10 days from today; pretty sure when we did mail order for the Grateful Dead in the '80's -'90's the tix came through a bit quicker? Any information gratefully appreciated!
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we just got ours today. We're in the Bay Area, so if you're not it might take a couple more days. I think this show had a bit less lead time than in the olden days.
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Hey Marye, Were is the Furthur Forum? I remember seeing one but cant seem to find any discussions about the September shows. Thanks
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Love the new look please ask the store to put the set lists with the Cds please.Thanks And the road goes on forever.... BobbaLee
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Are downloads still available from the Dead 09 Spring Tour? I purchased some and would like to purchase more, but have been unable to locate them through the webcite recently. If they are still available, how do I access them?
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Is anyone still having trouble placing orders? Ever since the store was farmed out to India i cant place an order! Talked to customer service last week (also in India) and spent an hour re-creating the order with a rep and he still couldnt put it through!!! HELP
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PM me your details and I'll see what I can do.
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seems to be up...
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when you say 'seems to be up.' you must be looking at something i can't open. I just logged out and back in to be sure and on both http://www.dead.net/front_page and http://www.dead.net/features gdh #509 is posted and the links still lead to the same page as last week and the media player still plays #509. 10:20 pm pdt thanks for caring--the site must have virtual indigestion. lethedoom
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This morning #509 was still the newest, but this afternoon #549 arrived. I had checked using several browsers--Opera, Chrome and IE often since last wednesday--besides my usual Firefox, so I don't see how a cached page would have appeared on all of them instead of the current one. No matter--thank you David and Dead.net. lethedoom
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Hello, I'm trying to find a download of a show I went to of the Deads from early this summer. Where might I be able to find it? I've been looking all over the website with no luck. Please help! Thanks, Erin
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you can customize your settings to do that. Just choose what you want in the Comment Viewing Options, at the top and bottom of the page.
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When i first sign on, an option is on the screen offering me the opportunity to Block OR UnBlock messages... one option even tells me that i will be preventing me from sending msgs to myself... I do not understand! Also, it says the choice is permanent, or something to that effect... Can u pls explain these two conundrums? TY!!! Luv Ya!!! :-)
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if you want to be able to exchange messages with other folks here, you don't want to block messages. If a particular person annoys you, you can block them individually without having to lose the entire function.
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Hi, I don't know where to ask about this, so I'm asking here. Is there someplace I can go to update my address for snail mail? Like, if you guys were gonna start mailing the almanac out again, I wanna be sure that I get it. Thanks for any help in advance.
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How can I post content? It's telling me I can't?I want to alert people of my children's book- Monkey and the Engineer, a book for ALL AGES. You've GOT to see this stunningly illustrated book. It's a classic. Go to www.monkeyandtheengineer.com
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Kinda new here so apologies if this is the wrong forum to ask this...Went to the 10/24 Dog show at the beacon, great energy, I looked on archive.org and see all the shows except for that one. Are they planning a special release for this specific show? Or does anyone know where I can listen to it?
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you seem to have posted about it. Twice. The more appropriate venue for it would be the Your Own Storefront topic, which is for hawking one's wares. What you can't do is start a new topic.
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Track lists Please!Track Lists Please! Track Lists pretty Please Track Lists I'm on my knees! And the road goes on forever.... BobbaLee
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I just bought this box and noticed that the booklet and the outside of the cd holders have spots all over them looks like film or dirt but isnt. Does anyone else who has this set have this as well? is this the way they were printed?? thanks
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I sent in a mail order for tix for the 12/30 show almost 2 months ago and haven't heard anything yet. I can't find any contact information on the web site to find out what happened to my order. What should I do? Thank you for any help!
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I'd suggest going to to their Web site and contacting them. They're usually pretty good.
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Where do you sign up for the almanac mailing list?

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Can anyone tell me why spammers, and other ne'er do wells, are allowed to ply their trade on this site. Why isn't more being done to protect the users of this site? We deserve better than we are being offered. Many of us have been long time "customers" of all things Grateful Dead, and what has become of the band as a corporate entity, is completely disgusting. Read the "Got issues with your store order" forum if you aren't aware of how it goes down these days. Thanks for yer time.
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but i have so much family here i at least hit the chat, even if i don't use the store, but you are right.....things kinda stink...i see so many "ads" in the "who's online" list that i wonder if i shouldn't apply for a job deleteing them....from the number i see at any given moment, i could be workin' full time......how about it GDP?.....hire me! don't outsource it!!
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i don't like the spammers either and have asked MaryE to not make the links live as a way to stop this, but there doesn't seem to be a will or a way. if people are making their living posting the links they should question what is an appropriate place to do so as opposed to graffiti. and definitely somebody should let those folks know they are not welcome to do their thing here. though it may be the kind of situation where paying any attention at all makes it worse... agree with johnman. hire him as chief post-buster.