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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • JackstrawfromC…
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    You have my vote! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • Exploratory Da…
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    There needs to be some organization. Wipe the slate clean. Do something. I agree. It's too much of a pain to go through every page. I'm too lazy to do it. I wonder if a filter can be set up to dump inactive vines (last post over a month or 2) into a separate folder. That would eliminate all those dang pages. The request for re-seeds is fine with me.
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    Sounds good to me .
  • cosmicbadger
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    Let's just ask Marye to set up a Vine Reseed Request Forum and see how it goes. Can't do any harm. Can I suggest we try to keep it free of general chit chat and such so that the requests are easy to find? Someone posts a request. If someone can help they post to say so and also post on the relevant vine page and off we go again.
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    Thank you Badger .. all those are mia vines ? crap man thats too much .. pomo1, I agree with you . it would be much easier that way . It is kinda a pain in the ass to go through every page and every posting on a vine to send mass pm`s to people requesting re-seeds . As far as re-seeding vines , I would be more then happy to re-seed however I don`t have a external dvd burner for my XP right now and lack of funds also makes it a little hard for me to re-seed anything ..not to mention the whole vista-xp thing .. But I will try to do what i can .. Thank you everybody for seeding and re-seeding !! This is a magical place for music !!
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    this will be the last time I propose a new topic for requests for re-seeds. Frankly, I don't understand why the idea has been shot down in the past, but it seems clear (to me at least) that a single spot where requests can be made and filled is necessary. Anybody who wants to have a vine revived can post and someone likely will re-seed. If there is no interest then no one will request a re-seed. This would also obviate the need to constantly go through single vines to see what needs to be re-seeded. Thanks again to everyone in the Vineyard. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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    Wow. Thank you.
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    I will update the Vindex again in September some time. With the arrival of so many new megavines its going to get a lot bigger for sure. I was thinking of marking on the Vindex which Vines are dead, but as we know, pronouncing the death of a vine can be an unreliable business. MITD and others had done a lot of work to identify the status of all the vines but I am not sure where we are on that now. I really do not fancy going through every single vine in the vineyard to check its status. However a 'quick and dirty' way to do this is to go to the index for the Vineyard. Home » Forums » Dead Heads » Tapers>The Vineyard. This lists all the vines in order of the most recent post. If you go to the last pages of that you can see which vines have been inactive for a long time. This does not mean the vines are dead, they may just have reached the end of the line. And of course vines with more recent posts may actually be dead; someone might have just been asking recently where it is! But it does give you a very rough idea. Based on this, here are the 45 out of around 295 vines with no activity (MIA) since the end of May (3 months ago). 15-20% attrition in 2 years ain't too bad. Jerry Solo Acoustic 4-10-82 Capitol Theater, Passaic NJ Last Post May 29 2009 UK SOL Party Vine Last Post May 27 2009 Little Bit of Jerry Vine Last Post May 24 2009 Dead Heads for Obama 2/4/08 Vine Last Post May 23 2009 Basement Tapes #1 Vine Last Post May 23 2009 Eurovine #3 - US Branch Last Post May 21 2009 Field Trip '72 Vine Last Post May 14 2009 Warfield 10/9/80 Vine Last Post May 14 2009 ABB 9/28/04 Vine Last Post May 13 2009 Rochester, NY 9/2/80 Vine Last Post May 11 2009 - 8:34am Early Stuff Volume 1 Vine Last Post May 6 2009 Bobby & The Midnites Vine Last Post May 6 2009 Keith's First Few Months (KFFM) Vine Last Post May 6 2009 Carousel Ballroom 3/3/68 Vine Last Post May 5 2009 Winterland 12/27/77 Vine Last Post May 4 2009 Flac Me, Flac You Vine Last Post May 3 2009 Three from 1975 Vine Last Post Apr 29 2009 Tivoli '72 TV Vine Last Post Apr 29 2009 Progressive Rock Vine Last Post Apr 27 2009 Boise, ID 9/23/83 Vine Last Post Apr 27 2009 Orpheum Theater 7-12-76 Vine Last Post Apr 22 2009 Felt Forum 1971 Vine Last Post Apr 21 2009 Bigger Bit of Talking Heads Vine Last Post Apr 20 2009 The Sublime Vine Last Post Apr 18 2009 PKPotter Vine Last Post Apr 9 2009 Cleveland Convention Center 12/6/73 Vine Last Post Apr 5 2009 Phil Lesh Christmas 2007 Vine Last Post Mar 27 2009 Neil & Crazy Horse 2001 Eurotour Compilation Vine Last Post Mar 20 2009 Cream Filling #1 1973 Vine Last Post Mar 11 2009 Winterland 10/22/67 Vine Last Post Feb 23 2009 Phil Warfield Plus Eurovine Last Post Feb 20 2009 Gruga Halle 3/28/81 Vine Last Post Feb 18 2009 Eurovine #5 U.S. Branch Last Post Feb 18 2009 Warfield 2/17/82 Vine Last Post Feb 14 2009 Baton Rouge, LA Vine Last Post Feb 8 2009 Jerry Garcia/Greg Harrington Interview Vine Last Post Jan 15 2009 Merl Saunders Keep On Keepin' On Vine Last Post Jan 11 2009 Fall 79 Part One Vine Last Post Dec 27 2008 Eurovine #2 - US Branch Last post Dec 17 2008 Crazy Quilt, AKA Crazy Guilt, Vine Last post Nov 30 2008 Phil Eurovine #1 Last post Nov 12 2007 Winterland October 1978 Vine (From Egypt With Love) Suspended due to official release Egypt 1978 Vine Suspended due to official release Nassau Coliseum 1990 Vine Inactive because it is a duplicate Winterland '72-'73 Vine Suspended when Winterland 73 box set released 10/8-9/89 - Hampton Coliseum Vine Suspended when updated I will try to post this list every 3 months with the Vindex. It only takes 15 minutes to make and should become more reliable as time goes by. I have never been to the middle parts of the USA, but I think the landscapes have a lot in common with Central Asia; hot dry summers and hard cold winters. Deserts, mountains and steppe.
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    If the problems were straight up vista/xp incompatibility wouldn't it be more widespread, it seems more random in the vineyard unless the majority of us are using vista. I will try your suggestion oh yeah the next time I burn a DVD for a vine (which will be soon!!) :-) "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    1. Insert a disc into your computer's CD or DVD drive. 2. In the dialog box that appears, click "Burn files to disc." 3. In the "Burn a disc" dialog box, type a name for your new disc. 4. Also in the "Burn a disc" dialog box, click "Change version." This will open the "Select a Live File System Version" dialog box, where you can choose a different formatting version for compatibility with different kinds of computers. Select Live File System version 1.5 or 1.02. Either one will work with Mac OS X Tiger (my computer), but earlier Macs and PCs may need version 1.02; it's pretty much universal. It's versions 2.01 and 2.5 that are the least compatible, and unfortunately Vista is set at 2.5 until you change it. 5. Click Next to prepare the disc. The "Mastered" workaround that stuman mentioned works too, as does switching to XP, which is what a lot of people have done (generally speaking; I don't know if anyone in the vineyard has switched). For Mac owners, I believe Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) and the new Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), the latter of which ships this Friday, both accept the Live File System 2.5 DVDs (ie, the default version in Vista). But without upgrading my OS I have to fire up my PC laptop (XP, but it sees the Vista-created DVDs) and move the files over to a flash drive, which I then open on my Mac. Ain't technology grand?? :-) ~~~~~~~ "They say Cain caught Abel rolling loaded dice"
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That is strange...I wonder what he is up to?? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/concerts/support/downloads.html huge selection of Grateful Dead shows now for sale as downloads from Wolfgangs Vault. Many other bands too. Its a goldmine I am not sure how they squared this away with Rhino and the Band, but it all seems legit. Also I have no idea of the quality of the material or how it compares with the soundboards that already circulate. Not cheap either at $9.98 per set. It seems odd to me that we have been so careful to avoid vining officially released material, but WV appears to be selling officially released shows e.g Englishtown 77. Stil if Wolfgang's Vault can open such a huge download store, why can't this place???
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If any one happens to buy any shows(of any of the bands) in flac format could you please pm me the flac fingerprint for the show, for example: Hot Tuna 07-03-71 Fillmore Closing closingfillmore-n4d1t01.flac:2a6e2e591e8da4dc1647d7b1d9d5b946 closingfillmore-n4d1t02.flac:7e19fbd9302e04ea6766cea805319a34 closingfillmore-n4d1t03.flac:089e84bfd265ca05fe9a2c34aa3dd08c closingfillmore-n4d1t04.flac:7c30614fc2e9305eb5e2e17d8e3e7777 I have always been curious to know if wolfgangs shows are closer to source than the ones that circulate.
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I dunno what the deal is. I do know Wolfgang's Vault got off to a very sleazy start, buying up all Bill's tapes at the estate auction and putting the shows up for sale in complete disregard of the fact that they'd bought physical tapes but none of the accompanying rights. Litigation ensued, as you may imagine. At least, this is my recollection of events some years past. Still, that was some time ago and things may have changed. I've passed this info to the Rhino folks.
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I don't know about all that stuff but I will say that the quality of the reocrdings here on the vine yard for the most part is really good - good enough for me anyways! That goes for the recordings from etree also. I am with Mary - I don't mind when the Grateful Dead gets my money but I am not about to buy albums/recordings/downloads from an internet site that makes money for some dude. Plus I feel like I have supported the band just fine by buying their studio albums and the countless thousands of dollars I have spent on concert tickets the last 20 some years to not feel too bad about getting live recordings for free. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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There are some new people that have signed up for a quite a few vines. Before sending something to them, make sure they don't already have 3 vines. Not that there is any intention to do anything wrong, but as we have seen MANY times, newcomers can get easily overwhelmed.
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I noticed that too! I think it is a good idea in general to contact folks AND wait for a response prior to sending a vine to them anyways. There a few people here that are always around and I am confident sending them vines without contact/response but even old timers disappear for awhile and then that's how we end up losing vines and we have seen it is a quick downward spiral when multiple vines are sent to what becomes a black hole!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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has fallen behind in the vineyard due to way too many things to mention but I am still here and will post in the next few days as I start sending them out If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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I wasn't picking on you Hal. I phrased that wrong. You are most definitely one of the people I am confident sending vines to without getting a hold of first!! Much more important things come up for us all and vines get delayed .. no big deal! But for some it turns into vines not moving ever and just disappearing. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Nope, didn't think that, but did think I needed to say I am around and no vine will die before it's time when I am involved. thanks, peace If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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yes life caught up to me also , I posted vines going out wendsay . ooops must be an old timers thing, forgot about vetrans day . with a familly full of vetrans I feel like a dufus lol .. anyway all vines I have will be out thursday morning fur sure . all 6 of them.
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in my experience, I have bought three non-dead shows, they only come in mp3 format. That kinda sux.
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Is there any good way to remind people to actually follow the vine guidelines when sending and requesting vines? I am specifically referring to notifying the person ahead of you of your address when you sign up for a vine, and it would also be good if everyone checked their messages before skipping someone on a vine. In my experience, people usually wait until you request their info before they will send it, and I've been skipped a couple of times because people didn't check their old messages where they would have found my info.Sorry for the gripe;-) Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor.
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I think your better off waiting until you are like three spots down before sending your addy. Takes more effort on your behalf to follow the vines, but some in the Vineyard are too lazy to go back to their old messages and refuse to send a simple PM to the next person. But overall, I think most of us in here are really considerate and we take care of each other. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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i.e. I need help. I can't find a program to make DVD copy. I got Rothbury vine with a SCI dvd show. Really want this one. Please, make me smile.Thanks in advance, Richard.
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Richard , when I had that rothbury vine I could not copy the SCI show . And we try`d to copy with both xp and vista computers . neither one worked for us . But nero 7 is what I use the most ( on the xp ) .
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You mean you did it with nero 7, or it didn't work?
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The SCI we could not copy . we are the ones who put the vista/ex compatible discs in with that vine . The SCI we could not do anything with .
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Hey there - fluffhead420 included the video to the Rothbury Vine maybe get a hold of him for any issues with the DVD video? Richard - Were you able to copy the other DVD's? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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If I (we) can make it I'll send a copy to you.
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I got everything else from this vine. I'll PM Fluffhead. Thanks.
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My understanding is Wolfgangs cannot secure the rights to sell anything but MP3. The reason many of the other performances aren't for sale is because the bands won't authorize the sale. Not sure how they worked out rights to sell GD, even in MP3 format. I worked with a guy in NY who was trying to negotiate with them to find a way to make it all happen, but there are too many legal hurdles. There are ways to capture that music as they do allow you to stream it for free - but streaming music is only 320kbps at best. As Marye mentioned, they did acquire much of the material under less than glorious circumstances and there was litigation to try and shut them down completely. It is really sad, because in the right hands the world could have access to an absolute treasure trove of great concerts. Many of those shows are real gems. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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check that, streaming music is 192 kbps at best. However, further ;-) research indicates that Bill Sagan who founded WV has been able to negotiate with most of the artists to allow downloads, some even in FLAC. He's still having trouble with some of the bigger names like Hendrix, the Who, etc., but thinks he'll be able to get agreements with them too. Check out the full article here: http://forums.wolfgangsvault.com/forums/post/12372.aspx Like him or not, he has made it possible to hear much of this music for the first time since it was played orginally. One of my favorites is Pink Floyd 4-29-70 at the Fillmore West. One of the best PF concerts there is out there. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Just about everything in Wolfgangs vault has been( and still is for now) available on legal trading sites in flac format for years. Now that there is some profit involved I would imagine these sites will have to remove them. Its probably just a matter of time until this affects etree and lossless legs. Its hard to believe they will allow us to keep trading if wolfgang is turning a profit. Might be a good time to get them while you can.
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I'd be pissed if they got rid of etree and what's next the vineyard?? Bogus!! Greed is all this is. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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I am gettin' all I can while the gettins good. :-)
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I hav`nt looked into it , but I was told that it`s there by a member of our vineyard . don`t remember who . And yes I`m getting everything I can get while the gettings good . :-)
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Everyone download a different year and then come back here and do some serious trading. Sorry but from a pessimistic point of view, I'd be sad if we couldn't trade anymore from this site. I have really enjoyed coming here and sharing GD shows with you all the last year or so. It still bugs me that someone (wolfgang) is going to profit big time on this. And that flac files will be replaced by mp3's. I hope I am reading way too much into all of this! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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was Bill Graham's real name. I strongly suspect the person who bought the tapes at the estate sale is not named Wolfgang but rather using Bill's name.
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And everyone! Sorry - my emotions have been strained, my dear grandmother passed away last week just 2 days past her 100th birthday. It was expected yet sad the way it went down, long story.. Dead.net is a very healing place for me to hang out in and I thank you all for that! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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I am on a couple of GD e-mail lists--deadheadsunite and deadshows. I think these are through yahoo.
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very sorry to hear abt. your grandmother . my wife just lost her grandmother 2 weeks ago .
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"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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law of #megger tree fark been pretty much all over the place a long time; not much you can do about that.
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Heres a list of vines that I was the last on the list for and have had for awhile now. Let me know if anyone would like them. NRPS: 1 from 69, 2 from 70 Chicago 69 The Dead Greensboro 09 Early Fall 1981 "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
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I think someone is going to get swamed with vines when thay get 30 of them all at once !! let`s hope that don`t happen . It`s tough getting caught up when you get a ton at once .
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I was listening to China Cat/Rider from Winterland 2-24-74. I was wondering if the jam between the songs that was played in 73-74 had a specific name. Also, does anyone know why they stopped doing that jam. I freakin' love that little piece of music and it flows so well into Rider. Wishing all my fellow viners a great Holiday Season. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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Is it the Mind Left Body Jam or the Feeling Groovy Jam? I'll check it out tonight.
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http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/chinarider-early-years.html Weblink above gives credence to a Feeling Groovy jam, beginning w the Nassau show, 3/16/73. 6/26/74, Providence, is a really good version: check it out on Dick's Picks 12. Here, the jam is labeled Mind Left Body. The 12/6/73 China Cat is over 9 minutes long before transitioning into Rider.
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Thanks, Derek and Ted. The link (awesome stuff) seems to indicate that it was the "Feelin Groovy" jam that I was asking about. I guess when they brought China/Rider back after the hiatus, they simply decided not to include the Feelin Groovy jam. Too bad. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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The jam in btwn China and Rider on 2/22 is the MLB or Mind Left Body jam. Will check 2/23 and 2/24 later today and tomorrow.
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Oops, they don't play it on 2/23 but they do play it on 2/24. It sounds to me like the MLB jam again but perhaps I don't know my jams because on archive.org a couple of people at least say that it is NOT the MLB jam. It is nice whatever it is. There is no doubt in my mind that the pre-retirement versions are better than the post-retirement ones, although I do think 12/29/77 is a gem.
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Check out the link from gr8fulTed. Very informative and interesting. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I am billing right now, Mark!!! Haha! Yes, I checked it out last night, very interesting. The jam on 2/24 sounded to me like something that was played quite often during the period (and quite well) and I thought it was the MLB jam, but apparently, I am mistaken.