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January 14, 2009 - 5:02pm

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marye

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Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --
Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are

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June 10, 2009 - 2:01pm

#261

dstache

Joined:
September 10, 2007

My final final post on the topic

The real problem we have here is of vigilance. Someone kills a vine and no one notices for quite some time because no one is watching. The idea of official reseeders (actually unofficial reseeders would be a better moniker), would ensure that someone would be watching. As an incentive, the unofficial reseeders would be given prefered positions on the sign up lists. I don't see why people who agreed to perform this duty shouldn't be given a preference over people who don't. I'm not sure that we even need to do anything differently (other than post often and PM), but it seems like this topic has generated a lot of discussion and perhaps something should be done. I disagree re: waiting a week for people to respond to PMs. I think that vines move too slow as it is. I almost always get vines out within a day or two. In general, I think that one day for every DVD or WAV show that you receive is ample time. So, if you receive my 2 DVD SHN 73 Part 1 vine on Mon, you should rip and burn 1 DVD on Mon night and the other on Tue, and get the vine out on Wed. If you take an extra day or two because you were busy one night, or received multiple vines, no big deal. And if you have an emergency, by all means take all the time you need (please let us know). If you wait a week to hear back re: a PM, that is 4 or 5 MORE days it will take for the vine to move. Maybe that person shouldn't be bumped to the end of the line, maybe just dropped down one spot. But why should one person delay the vine for everyone else? I think that's the definition of selfishness, placing your time and happiness above that of the community. On a better and perhaps more interesting note, I will be posting Parts 3, 4 and 5, to the SHN 73 vine soon. The discs are ready to go. I want to allow a little time to lapse so that if the same people sign up in the same order, there won't be a delay as a result of receiving all the parts at once. These parts will go up to 9/21/73. I am going to cover some of the same ground as the William & Mary and Eurovine vines so that newcomers and others who didn't sign up for them can get all the shows at once, or at least on one vine with multiple parts. And finally, my last finally, I was wondering if people were interested in participating in a group project. It might help heal the wounds that surfaced over the past week. I was thinking we should do the same thing with 1977 as I am doing with 1973 (or at least 3/21-9/21). I want to gather and vine in SHN/FLAC format everything from 1977. In my possession, thanks to the great Rick mostly (that's thanks mostly to Rick, not meant to imply that Rick is ONLY mostly great, he is 100% great), I have 2/27, 3/18, 3/20, 4/22, 4/25, 4/26, 4/29, 5/1, 5/3, and 5/11, some with multiple versions. Off the top of my head, I would guess there are about 60 shows in 1977, so I have 1/6th of them already. Not to mention that we wouldn't be vining the officially released shows (5/19, 5/21, 5/22, 5/28, 9/3 (I think that is the date), 11/5 or 12/29) Of course, if we did this, we would go by SHN/FLAC signature number (or whatever that sbd.cotsman.11111 thing is called) but for now the dates are good enough. This would be a huge project, and would take a couple of months. And it would require the help of our bit torrenting friends, who already give so much. I've said it before and I will say it again, these guys, Rick, Bob and Cosmic Badger, give us so much. They don't EVEN sign up for vines anymore! They get joy out of giving to us. We appreciate their contributions immensely. I bet that a lot of people out there have a lossless show or two they have acquired in some fashion. With my 1/6, Iand your contributions, I bet we could get together 1/2 to 2/3 of the year without requiring the bit torrenters help. I would of course volunteer to receive the DVDs and put them together for the vines (again, in parts). And people who contributed would be the first to receive the vines. Are people interested?
June 10, 2009 - 1:55pm

#262

Hal R

Joined:
June 13, 2007

on Official reseeders being the first three on the vine

this seems to really complicate things to me. In so many ways that I don't have the time to list them all. Hey, I really appreciate all the work everyone is doing for this but I am wondering if what is more of a "people problem" is being analyzed as a systems problem. Sure lets figure out what works best but keep it simple, please. If this gets too complicated I am sure that some of the steady viners may leave, it becomes too much on top of lives that are already very busy. No matter what we do to fix the system it still remains that there are unreliable people. I know that we now will be going through a weeding out of black hole viners and that should improve things around here quite a bit. Also folks have gotten excited and signed on but not taken the responsiblity of it. I see that as time passes that most of those inthe Vineyard will be the responsible viners. I am also wondering if there are so many vines lately and they come so fast that it gets overwhelming for people. Too much signing up and we can't control when they come to us. I know I have gotten that way several times but have dug myself out in due time. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
June 10, 2009 - 1:11pm

#263

fluffhead042

Joined:
April 6, 2008

nice idea dstache....

"One final thought, a suggestion really. Perhaps we could accept volunteers to be official reseeders. These people would be allocated the first 3 positions on every vine. Maybe 10 people could be official reseeders. And if something happens to the vine, one of the official reseeders reseeds it. This would be a good way for viners who don't regularly seed vines to contribute. This would also avoid having to ask the original seeder, who already put in time and effort, to reseed. And perhaps this would solve the problem here of a few bad apples stealing a bunch of vines. The official reseeders would know who killed the vine they had to reseed and would be on the lookout for that person on other vines." I think this is a great idea....it enlists a "Vine Police Force" of sorts, it'll help out....I'm starting to get concerned about MitD, I hope he's ok "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
June 10, 2009 - 12:55pm

#264

pomo1

Joined:
June 5, 2007

PM

The only problem with requiring a PM is that some people don't come on the site every day. I believe that passing people if they dont respond in 3 or 4 days is way too restrictive. Also, the fact is that not everyone will be diligent in sending out PMs. Since I dont think tracking my vines is very labor-intensive, I suppose either way is a valid method. In other words, if a person PMs his addy within a short period before he is due to receive it, there is no need to PM him. If not, send a PM, but I would wait a week before passing over, especially if the viner has an established track record. Either way, I think we should discard sending addresses at the time we sign up. That method no longer works. As far as re-seeding, I dont believe that we need official reseeders or to reserve spots. However, I totally agree that the original seeders should not be the ones to re-seed. I believe that there are enough good souls in the vineyard that valid requests for re-seeds will be fulfilled. I know that there are a number of stalled vines from Dstache's list that I will be happy to re-seed, once we get a new topic set up. ( I know: there goes POMO beating that same dead horse!) "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"
June 10, 2009 - 11:45am

#265

dstache

Joined:
September 10, 2007

my final thoughts

I definitely am not sending bad vibes anyone's way. I hope that the worst offenders are just jerks, and have not suffered any real tragedy. I second birdsong's belief that seeders put a lot of love and time into creating these vines. It is indeed offensive when someone kills a vine. PMing the person who is after you when you receive a vine to confirm the person is still active and that you have the correct address will alleviate some of the problems. It isn't a panacea, but I think it is the best thing we can do. We should all TRY to post when we receive a vine, when we send it out and to whom, and when we are having problems that delay our sending the vine. I am in favor of smaller vines. I broke down the 10 DVDs of 73 into 5 parts, both to get the most music to the most people in the shortest possible time and in case a reseed somewhere is necessary. Much easier to reseed 2 DVDs than 10. One final thought, a suggestion really. Perhaps we could accept volunteers to be official reseeders. These people would be allocated the first 3 positions on every vine. Maybe 10 people could be official reseeders. And if something happens to the vine, one of the official reseeders reseeds it. This would be a good way for viners who don't regularly seed vines to contribute. This would also avoid having to ask the original seeder, who already put in time and effort, to reseed. And perhaps this would solve the problem here of a few bad apples stealing a bunch of vines. The official reseeders would know who killed the vine they had to reseed and would be on the lookout for that person on other vines. Whatever our problems are, they really aren't that bad. There are a ton of great vines that are available. New people shouldn't be deterred by what is going on here over the last few days. we're just trying to clean house a bit. Newcomers are always welcome.
June 10, 2009 - 11:40am

#266

fluffhead042

Joined:
April 6, 2008

I think it's a good idea....

To compile a list like that....it helped me out.I think the idea of tracking a vine until it gets close to you prior to sending an address is waaaaaayy too complicated and labor-intensive...I can't see the purpose there.... just PM'g next in line for their address once u get the vine is the best way to go...it's a lot simpler that way...we go on to post that we've recvd it anyway, we can then just PM the person next in line for their address....no PM response in 3-4 days you're bumped to the end of the list....at the time of the PM (addy request) if the next person in line's situation has chgd they can let the sender know and the sender can revise the list accordingly....that way we aren't blindly mailing a vine to somebody weeks (usually months) after their initial signup....too much changes in everyones lives during that wait (computer probs, life, travel, relocation, show acquired elsewhere, etc).....the proposed method will ensure they're being sent to the right place, and most importantly, to a person who still wants it and is prepared to turn it around in a few days to their fellow music lover.....This idea seems virtually flawless from what I can tell...what do you guys think? The method we're using now would work seamlessly if we were circulating Classical Compositions amongst prestigious Harvard grads..not Dead shows between Deadheads...and tracking a vine for months until you're 3 away and then sending your address is not feasible for anyone with a full schedule (work, family, etc.)...it's just too much. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
June 10, 2009 - 11:16am

#267

Exploratory Da…

Joined:
May 12, 2008

whew!

Wow. Not sure where to start. dstache is an American Socrates. Well, that "most wanted" list is bound to get some attention by shining the bright glaring lights of scrutiny in their direction. They are now under attainder. Well, maybe not. This is a hobby. While I take it seriously and try to fulfill my social contract with each of you, I understand things do happen to folks. I can't sit here and condemn anyone because I myself may "disappear" some day due to family issues and unexpected contingencies. My thoughts and prayers go out to pkpotter, Hal, and MITD. I do have MITD's personal e-mail address. I e-mailed him about 2 weeks after he went AWOL with no response. Remember this folks--he ventured out into the snow & ice to the public library to post updates when his community was without power due to the ice storm. Something bad happened (family, job loss…etc). I think folks should be forgiven, as stated above, when they "confess their sins" to the community. Anyway, dstache's metaphorical descriptions of murder, crimes, and suspects sure conjures up a good "who done it" murder mystery. :0)
June 10, 2009 - 10:25am

#268

Birdsong1969NJ

Joined:
July 7, 2008

I advocate love, and understanding for all my Music loving

Sisters and Brothers, but I do believe it's time to stop worrying about hurting peoples feelings. When I seed a vine and someone is careless and it is killed it hurts my feelings. Needless to say most all of the Vineyards "Most Wanted List" have never seeded a vine. I honestly have been hesitant to seed. I have my 20 years so far that needs part 2 + corrected flac of part one. I will be seeding this soon, but it makes you hesitate when you see so many stalled, lost or dead vines. The 1979 part 1.5 Loving Rhino vine was a lot of work by more people then I. It was nurtured, grown and improved along the way and WAS A VERY COOL VINE and now it's dead because someone did not give a shit. The Stones Vine is the same way. I say call them out and absolutely DO NOT SEND THEM ANOTHER VINE UNTIL THEY MAKE IT RIGHT WITH THE COMMUNITY, PERIOD! If I sit on a vine, by all means call me out. Life stuff happens, babies, illness, whatever. That stuff totally gets a pass with just a simple post, but just being plain selfish and inconsiderate is just bullshit in any type of situation. "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
June 10, 2009 - 8:34am

#269

JackstrawfromC…

Joined:
January 2, 2009

One last comment (then I'll shut up - maybe) :-)

I've stated from the very beginning that there is absolutely no disdain towards MitD or anyone else for that matter. I just wanted to raise the issue to a higher level of awareness to please stop sending vines to these folks until we hear from them. That's all. Since he was on pretty much every list, the lost vines snowballed very quickly. Same with a couple other folks... Although dstache's list is incredible to say the least, it still doesn't address non-Grateful Dead vines. There are some ABB, Stones, The Dead, etc vines missing also. The situation is actually worse than what dstache's list shows. But when it is all said and done the bottom line is that I am wishing the best for our missing Vineyard friends. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
June 10, 2009 - 8:17am

#270

fluffhead042

Joined:
April 6, 2008

it's pretty clear...

where my problem lies... Northern New England Wish Vine: must be a mistake, I'm not even on the list Valentines Day Dead Vine: mailed, failed to post sent Repatriation Vine #1 13 from 70: mailed to dpwstldeadfan in May, failed to post sent Merriweather PP 6/30/85: sent to OneGratefulDad, failed to post sent ****I have since posted accordingly in the applicable topics with the exception of the Northern New England Wish Vine for obvious reasons**** "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are

stuman

we've had a request from people close to Brent to not vine that album, as there is some talk of releasing it. I don't know more than that but I think we need to honor it.

on the other hand

if somebody wanted to do a real public service they'd dig up the tape of the Seva benefit from about the same period at the BCT where Brent was an opening act. The only known recording of "Love Doesn't Have to Be Pretty," as I recall.

FWGV Vine #2

is here.

More Garcia & Grisman Vine

is here. Joneb, please sign up there. Thanks!

Brent solo

Thats cool Marye . With much respect to Brent`s familly ! I`ll be looking foward to the official release ! I`m sure it will be a better recording then the one I have .

Ratdog 1-20-97 DVD Vine

This is a pro shot live network feed of the 1997 Bill Clinton/Al Gore Inauguration ball. it is Matched up with SDB audio this dvd cuts out during eternity but is really cool. Also I do not have DVD burner so with all my trust I am sending out my personal copy. So please the first person on the list burn two copies and please send mine back (i will include a S.A.S.E.). I have gotten some really good stuff from this vine site so I just wanted to give something back, thanks alot everybody...timgard1 oh yea the band are all wearing tuxedos!! added bonus! 1/20/1997 Washington Convention Center, Washington, DC Bombs Away, Easy Answers, Walkin Blues > Youngblood, Fever*, Money*, When I Paint My Masterpiece, Kansas City, Juke, Little Red Rooster, Into the Mystic*, Horses*, Eternity// *- with Ricki Lee Jones (Vocals); The Clintons spoke after "Into the Mystic" Only ''Into the Mystic'' (Clinton Inauguration Celebration) At least I'm enjoying the ride

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame DVD

Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Neil Young, Led Zeppelin inducted Waldorf Astoria Hotel New York City, New York January 12, 1995 MTV broadcast> 1st-gen stereo hi-fi vhs tape (sp speed)>Trutech dvd recorder>dvdr>nero vision >VIDEO_TS folder NTSC DVD No menu, 8 chapters, no artwork EX video and sound 1) Neil Young induction (10:35) Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam is his presenter 2) Led Zeppelin induction (10:15) Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith are presenters 3) Fuckin' Up - Neil Young with Crazy Horse and Pearl Jam (6:54) 4) Backstage talk (1:07) Chapters 5-8 are Led Zeppelin 5) Bring It On Home - with Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith (3:03) 6) Long Distance Call - with Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith (3:54) 7) Baby Please Don't Go - with Steven Tyler and Joe Perry of Aerosmith (4:09) 8) When The Levee Breaks - with Neil Young (8:43) Total time: 48:40 Led Zeppelin is: Jimmy Page - guitar Robert Plant - vocal John Paul Jones - bass Jason Bonham - drums (M.Lee drums on #8)

Furthur Tri-State Winter 2009 Vine

Hey now! I'll add another Furthur vine into the mix. The 5 east coast shows from December are included. Pretty nice aud recordings. As always, flac files on DVD's. I'll no doubt be doing NYE and Winter Tour vines also! Furthur December 8 and 9, 2009 Hammerstein Ballroom New York, NY December 11, 2009 Chevrolet Theater @ Oakdale Wallingford, CT December 12 and 13, 2009 Asbury Park Convention Hall Asbury Park, NJ "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

Phil Closes The Warfield 2008 Vine

Phil Closes The Warfield 2008 Vine"Phil Plays Dead" Phil and Friends- Warfield Theatre 5/13,14,16,17,18/2008 bonus show: Greek Theatre L.A. 5/11/08 (absolutely the best Phil show I have ever seen) This is the incredible 5-night run where Phil played several Grateful Dead albums in their entirety over the first 4 nights, with the fifth night a massive 5-set show (5 sets !!!) with an evolving band lineup in each set. Very nice audience recordings of all shows, plus the official free soundboard of opening night. Thanks Phil ! These shows were vined last year, but after two attempts to send the package from Spain to me in California ( I was #1) it never arrived, so that vine died. With my shiny new high speeed internet, I downloaded the shows to rectify the situation. FLAC files on DVD's. It would take 23 audio CD's to cover everything, so to keep shipping expenses down, this will be FLAC only. --------------------------------------- Phil Lesh and Friends Greek Theatre Los Angeles, CA May 11, 2008 Neumann skm 140s->Sound Devices 722->Resample-1.8+(24/192->16/44.1khz); minor glitch fixes w/ cooledit. Set 1 : 01. Tuning, 02. Shakedown Street> 03. Jam> Friend of the Devil 04. Bertha 05. Ball and Chain 06. Beat It On Down The Line 07. Cumberland Blues 08. Sugaree Set 2: 01. New Speedway Boogie 02. Don't Let The Devil Take Your Mind 03. Jack Straw, 04. China Cat Sunflower> *"Atmospheric Transition" Jam> 05. I Know You Rider, 06. Unbroken Chain> 07. The Wheel> 08. Franklin's Tower 09. Donor Rap/Intros 10. E: Box Of Rain Phil Lesh (bass, vocals) John Molo (drums) Jackie Greene (guitar, vocals) Larry Campbell (guitar+) Steve Molitz (keys) ----------------------------------------------- Warfield Theatre 5/13/08 both audience and Phil's free soundboard copies included soundboard copy has nice CD Jacket artwork 1st set: Grateful Dead (1st album) ("Cream Puff War" featured go-go dancers!) 2nd set: Anthem of The Sun E: Not Fade Away w/ Bob Weir end of 1st set and all of 2nd ------------------------------------------------ Warfield Theatre 5/14/08 audience 1st set: Jam > Aoxomoxoa 2nd set: Jam > Live Dead E: King Bee ------------------------------------------------ Warfield Theatre 5/16/08 audience 1st set: Workingman's Dead 2nd set: Jam> American Beauty E: Truckin' (last song on American Beauty) ----------------------------------------------- Warfield Theatre 5/17/08 audience 1st set: Skull & Roses 2nd set: Dead Set donor rap came early, with Drums/Space and the last several songs from Dead Set serving as the encore ----------------------------------------------- Warfield Theatre 5/18/08 audience 1st set: (w/Bob Weir) Tuning->Come Together->Dark Star->Loose Lucy, West L.A. Fadeaway, The Wheel->Not Fade Away 2nd set: Lorene, Sing Me Back Home, Deep Elem Blues, , The Warfield Waltz, Love Please Come Home, Goodnight Irene 3rd set: Tuning & Licks, Shakedown Street, Ball & Chain, Big River, Mississippi Half Step-> Althea, Mexican Girl, Stella Blue (Instrumental), Sugaree 4th set: Ballad of Spider John, Where The Rain Don't Go, Squeeky Wheel 5th set: Tuning, Sugar Magnolia, Unbroken Chain->Mountains of the Moon->Terrapin Station-> I Know You Rider thanks warfield/ donor rap/ thanks cody/ band intros E: Wind tuning->Truckin' ------------------------------------------------------ enjoy! -Tommo

The Dead play` s The Beatles

Dead Play the Beatles Disc I Day Tripper GD 06-25-85 Come Together Dead 07-07-03 Eleanor Rigby Jam JGB 02-12-80 Tomorrow Never Knows GD 11/29/94 Blackbird Ratdog 11-09-99 Get Back PLQ 10-16-00 Why Don't We Do It In The Road GD 04-07-85 Hey Jude GD 03-22-90 *Complete version; Jude>Reprise patched together, no Fantasy Strawberry Fields Forever PLQ 02-08-02 Rain GD 10-09-94 Disc II Revolution GD 07-02-85 She Said Dead 07-07-03 Dear Prudence Reconstruction 7-8-79 I Am The Walrus PLQ 09-01-02 I Want To Tell You JGB 03-08-87 *1 of 2 JGB times played; other in '76 Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds GD 03-17-95 All Too Much GD 03-26-95 While My Guitar Gently Weeps PLQ 11-30-01 *Only time played NOTES: The only changes made to the songs are getting them all to one volume level and fades. I did the best I could with fades, but some are rather abrupt due to the fact that one song goes right into the next. Overall I think it turned out good. You might consider burning this in TAO instead of DAO - I added 1 second of silence at the beginning and end of each song to separate them, but TAO is still the way to go IMHO. My reasoning for deciding which versions to include is listed below: Day Tripper GD 06-25-85 Suggested by David Gans Come Together Dead 07-07-03 Suggested by a fellow CDead member. He said that he believed that Joan's super hot performance got this one going. Eleanor Rigby Jam JGB 02-12-80 One of very few. All are ragged. Chose this one as one of best. Tomorrow Never Knows GD 11/29/94 Suggested to me by someone on the CDead group I think. Blackbird Ratdog 11-09-99 One I had.... The two GD versions really sucked Get Back PLQ 10-16-00 Not played much, GD version very poor Why Don't We Do It In The Road GD 04-07-85 Well, it IS a Beatles song...less lame than the others (I was almost tempted to leave it off entirely) Hey Jude GD 03-22-90 *Complete version; Jude>Reprise patched together, dropping "Dear Mr. Fantasy" entirelly; There is a slight "hitch" between Jude and the Reprise but I left it as is to keep as much music as possible without including "Fantasy." I had originally thought of using the 3/1/69 version, but David Gans suggested this one as the better choice. Even though the '69 one has Pigpen, this one is better. Strawberry Fields Forever PLQ 02-08-02 Pretty hot version, although a bit hollow; it also features some interesting hints to Eleanor Rigby. Rain GD 10-09-94 I perused The Compendium Volume III and found this to be one of the better versions, which, upon hearing it, it is. DISC II Revolution GD 07-02-85 I listened to all of the versions, and this one shone above the rest. I could have sworn that there was a really good one from '90, but, when I listened, well, I guess I was mistaken. She Said Dead 07-07-03 Joan smokes on this puppy! Dear Prudence Reconstruction 7-8-79 Suggested here as a good version in lieu of the later JGB versions - it has pretty much what he played with the JGB, with horns, and back when he was healthy. All Too Much GD 03-26-95 Someone here suggested this one. I Want To Tell You JGB 03-08-87 *1 of 2 JGB times played; The '76 version is ragged which is a shame as Donna and Keith were part of the JGB back then. I to go with a JGB version instead of the GD versions as Jerry was in much better health. Also, the JGB allowed him to stretch out in a different direction. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds GD 03-17-95 Best version according to The Compendium Volume III. I Am The Walrus PLQ 09-01-02 - personal favorite, I attended and we believed that PLQ was not going to tour anymore.... While My Guitar Gently Weeps PLQ 11-30-01 Bitter sweet to hear this one as it was the day after George died. It was only played once; I wish they had included this in their repertoire, or at least pulled it out every so often as a surprise. Warren does this one "just exactly perfect." My notes on this . This is a sweet compilatoin here . something i picked up on LL. I converted and burned to CDR WAV. I did not change anything. (in regards to burn note above) Any Beatles - Dead fan should love this one I hope you all enjoy !! Many thank go out to everyone who contributed to this beutiful compilation !! Stu ..

This one has already been released

as the Dead Beat Vine. http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-beat-vine

ooops

well nevermind then. i wonder why i did`nt sign up for it then hmm .. just delete my post mary .

heh

I'll just ignore it... I'm going to be traveling tomorrow so there will probably be a it of a delay getting this posted. Please bear with me...

Happy and safe travels Marye!

Hope you have a fantastic Christmas. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

1984 SBD's Vine Part 1

I don’t think that any of these shows have been vined yet, if they have let me know. As of right now this is going to be a 2 part vine. Look for part 2 in a week or two. Flac/Shn files on 6 CD-R’s. Includes – gd84-04-23.sbd.walker.scotton.miller.32536.sbeok.flac16 gd84-06-26.sbd.fix.miller.87625.sbeok.flac16 gd84-06-30.sbd.partial.finney.2542.sbeok.shnf Grateful Dead - April 23, 1984 New Haven Coliseum - New Haven, CT Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Cassette (TDK SA-X90 / Maxell XLIIS-90) Transfer Info: Cassette (Sony TC-WE475) -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net February 22, 2006 Notes: -- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the Cassettes -- Drums and Encore patched from (FOB) ATM2s-> Cass Master -> CD -- Seamless transition between discs 2 and 3 -- This is an upgrade to all previous circulating sbd's Set 1: d1t01 - Jack Straw d1t02 - Sugaree d1t03 - Cassidy d1t04 - Dupree's Diamond Blues d1t05 - Hell In A Bucket d1t06 - Might As Well Set 2: d2t01 - Iko Iko d2t02 - Lost Sailor -> d2t03 - Saint Of Circumstance -> d2t04 - Uncle John's Band -> d2t05 - Only A Fool -> d2t06 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - Spanish Jam -> d3t03 - Truckin' -> d3t04 - Black Peter -> d3t05 - Around And Around -> d3t06 - Good Lovin' Encore: d3t07 - Day Job Grateful Dead - June 26, 1984 Merriweather Post Pavilion - Columbia, MD Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Cassette -> Dat (48k) Transfer Info: Dat (Sony R500) -> Samplitude Professional v9.11 -> Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net October 8, 2007 Patch Info: Sennheiser 421 -> Cassette Master -> CD (By R. Pauline) supplies: Tennessee Jed (3:10 - 5:24) Space (7:40 - 9:57) Crowd/Tuning (complete track) Day Job (0:00 - 0:03) Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- Cool Edit Pro used for pitch correction -- Added patch to Tennessee Jed (missing from previous seed) -- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with this project Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Casey Jones d1t03 - Feel Like A Stranger d1t04 - Althea d1t05 - Cassidy d1t06 - Tennessee Jed -> d1t07 - Looks Like Rain d1t08 - Might As Well Set 2: d2t01 - China Cat Sunflower -> d2t02 - I Know You Rider d2t03 - Man Smart (Woman Smarter) -> d2t04 - He's Gone -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - Don't Need Love -> d3t03 - Truckin' -> d3t04 - Wang Dang Doodle -> d3t05 - Stella Blue -> d3t06 - Around And Around -> d3t07 - Good Lovin' Encore: d3t08 - Crowd/Tuning d3t09 - Keep Your Day Job Grateful Dead Indianapolis Sportscenter Indianapolis, In 6/30/84 SBD>MC>DAT>CDR Disc One, 74:12 1. Lost Sailor > 2. St of Circumstance > 3. Deal (end set 1) 4. Shakedown Street > 5. Playin in the Band > 6. Terrapin Station > 7. Drums/ Space > Disc Two 43:52 1. Space Dripping > 2. Space meets Jerry > 3. Playin in the Band > 4. Truckin > 5. Spoonful > 6. Stella Blue > 7. Going Down the Road Feeling Bad > 8. One More Saturday Night 9. E: Keep Your Day Job/ NOTES: From the Merry Prankster Tree round 5, SHN branch Disc 1 9. drums cut @ 3:24 Disc 2 2. 2 static bursts @ 2:06 4. Whistle to start song, and "Sweet Jane gets a sex change" 9. song cuts at 2:40 "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

Nice Vine Trevor

Thanks, but isn't it time Santa left you a DVD burner? :>) "That path is for, your steps alone."

New 72 SBD's Vine

3 new Charlie Miller SBD’s from 1972. I came across a Europe show that hadn’t been vined here yet. Flac files on 5 CD-R’s. Includes – gd72-01-02.08709.sbd.miller.sbeok.t-flac16 gd72-03-05.sbd.miller.103282.flac16 gd72-04-16.18103.sbd.miller.sbeok.t-flac16 Winterland Arena San Francisco, Ca 01-02-1972 gd72-01-02.sbd.miller.8709.sbeok.flac16 updated lineage: Soundboard Master >Reel Master> Reel > CD > SonicSolutions Workstation > CD> SHN [had been marked] Soundboard Master > Reel > CD > SonicSolutions Workstation > CD> SHN] ______________________________________________________________________________________ --Set 1 / Disc 1-- --[72:57]-- 101-d1t01 - Truckin [09:31] 102-d1t02 - Sugaree [07:22] 103-d1t03 - Mr. Charlie [04:28] 104-d1t04 - Beat It On Down The Line [03:11] 105-d1t05 - Loser [06:23] 106-d1t06 - Jack Straw [05:10] 107-d1t07 - Chinatown Shuffle [02:55] 108-d1t08 - Tennessee Jed [07:07] 109-d1t09 - El Paso [04:29] 110-d1t10 - You Win Again [03:35] 111-d1t11 - Big Railroad Blues [04:13] 112-d1t12 - Mexicalli Blues [03:44] 113-d1t13 - Playing In The Band [06:04] 114-d1t14 - Next Time You See Me [04:45] --Disc 2-- 115-d2t01 - Brown-Eyed Women [04:25] 116-d2t02 - Casey Jones [05:02] --Set 2-- 201-d2t03 - Good Lovin' -> [14:31] 202-d2t04 - China Cat Sunflower -> [03:32] 203-d2t05 - Good Lovin' [03:35] 204-d2t06 - Ramble On Rose [06:31] 205-d2t07 - Sugar Magnolia [07:52] 206-d2t08 - Not Fade Away -> [05:13] 207-d2t09 - Going Down The Road Feeling Bad -> [06:52] 208-d2t10 - Not Fade Away [03:40] --Encore-- 209-d2t11 - One More Saturday Night [04:56] --[66:09]— Grateful Dead - March 5, 1972 Winterland - San Francisco, CA Recording Info: SBD -> Cassette Master -> Cassette -> Cassette -> Dat -> CD Transfer Info: CD -> Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> Samplitude Professional v10.22 -> FLAC (2 Discs Audio / 1 Disc FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net December 8, 2009 Notes: -- Note updated source info (but still can not confirm) -- That's Wavy Gravy at the beginning of China Cat Sunflower -- Mind Left Body Jam in Good Lovin' -- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction Set One: d1t01 - Bertha d1t02 - Black Throated Wind d1t03 - Mr. Charlie d1t04 - Sugaree d1t05 - Greatest Story Ever Told d1t06 - Next Time You See Me d1t07 - Tennessee Jed d1t08 - Jack Straw d1t09 - China Cat Sunflower -> d1t10 - I Know You Rider d1t11 - Mexicali Blues d1t12 - You Win Again d1t13 - El Paso d1t14 - Casey Jones Set Two: d2t01 - Good Lovin' d2t02 - Not Fade Away -> d2t03 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad -> d2t04 - Not Fade Away Encore: d2t05 - One More Saturday Night Grateful Dead 4/16/72 Stakladen - Aarhus University Aarhus, Denmark gd72-04-16.sbd.miller.18103.sbeok.flac16 Lineage: Set 1: SBD>Rm>?>Cass>Sound Forge>SHN Set 2: SBD>Rm>Dat>Sonic Solutions>CD>EAC>Samplitude>SHN Set 2 Conversion and Editing By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net 6/12/03 --Set 1-- 101-d1t01 - Greatest Story Ever Told 102-d1t02 - Sugaree 103-d1t03 - Chinatown Shuffle 104-d1t04 - Black Throated Wind 105-d1t05 - Tennessee Jed MISSING - Mr. Charlie MISSING - Beat It On Down the Line 106-d1t06 - China Cat Sunflower -> 107-d1t07 - I Know You Rider 108-d1t08 - Mexicali Blues 109-d1t09 - Loser MISSING - Next Time You See Me 110-d1t10 - Playing in the Band MISSING - Dire Wolf --Set 2-- 201-d2t01 - Good Lovin' 202-d2t02 - Cumberland Blues 203-d2t03 - El Paso 204-d2t04 - Deal 205-d3t01 - Truckin -> 206-d3t02 - The Other One Jam -> 207-d3t03 - Me & My Uncle -> 208-d3t04 - The Other One -> 209-d3t05 - Not Fade Away -> 210-d3t06 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad -> 211-d3t07 - Not Fade Away reprise "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

New 72 SBD vine

is here.

Postcard from the Hangover Vine - 72 & 84

Following up NYE here is a vine to start the new year off right... Some good 72 material (9/30/72 was vined at some point but I am including anyway) and a good 84 show of which there is very little listed in the vinedex.. All good shows and a nice follow up to TNHG 72 SBDs vine. Note the academy of music show is NOT on the dick's picks cd. Happy new year to the vine and enjoy... First on the list send me a PM with name/addy. By the way if anyone out there has the following shows and can either vine/trade let me know... 4/7/72, 5/7/72, 5/23/72, 5/24/72. Peace, Marty Grateful Dead - March 23, 1972 Academy of Music - New York, NY Recording Info: SBD -> Master Reel -> Apogee AD500 -> Dat (48k) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller Set 1: d1t01 - China Cat Sunflower -> d1t02 - I Know You Rider d1t03 - Black Throated Wind d1t04 - Chinatown Shuffle d1t05 - Brown Eyed Women d1t06 - Beat It On Down The Line d1t07 - Cumberland Blues d1t08 - Looks Like Rain d1t09 - Mr. Charlie d1t10 - Tennessee Jed d1t11 - El Paso d2t01 - You Win Again d2t02 - Jack Straw d2t03 - Next Time You See Me d2t04 - Playing In The Band d2t05 - Comes A Time d2t06 - Me And Bobby McGee d2t07 - Casey Jones Set 2: d2t08 - Tuning d2t09 - Truckin' d2t10 - Ramble On Rose d3t01 - Two Souls In Communion d3t02 - Mexicali Blues d3t03 - Dark Star d3t04 - Big Boss Man d3t05 - Not Fade Away -> d3t06 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad -> d3t07 - Not Fade Away d3t08 - Crowd Encore: xxxxx - Sugar Magnolia (MISSING) Grateful Dead August 12 1972 Memorial Coliseum Sacramento, CA 16 bit 44.1 version master reel @7.5ips> J.Garcia's reel @ 3.75ips > Will Boswell's reel @ 3.75ips > Apogee DAC> Apogee Mini Me > Wavelab 5.0 Transferred by Matt Smith Set One Disc 1 01. |03:24| The Promised Land 02. |07:24| Sugaree 03. |01:41| "Emancipate us from your flasbulbs" 04. |03:11| Me And My Uncle 05. |01:11| " what's the matter, aint loud enough for ya? " 06. |11:00| Bird Song 07. |02:02| "the furthur back ya are, the better the sound is" 08. |06:45| Black Throated Wind 09. |00:49| tuning 10. |05:29| Deal 11. |01:01| tuning 12. |03:14| El Paso// 13. |02:46| //Tennessee Jed 14. |01:38| Keith and Donna introductions 15. |13:12| Playing In The Band 16. |03:36| " sounds like they'd rather have somethin rockin " 17. |04:25| Big Railroad Blues 18. |01:00| Tuning Disc 2 19. |07:06| Cumberland Blues 20. |01:04| tuning 21. |07:47| Stella Blue!! 22. |00:39| tuning 23. |03:56| Jack//Straw 24. |07:01| Casey Jones Set Two 25. |05:22| Greatest Story Ever Told 26. |06:53| Ramble On Rose 27. |01:40| " 22? It's gotta be under 20, otherwise the union won't go for it " 28. |03:16| Beat It On Down The Line 29. |09:21| He's Gone > Disc 3 30. |02:42| Drums > 31. |16:57| The Other One > 32. |09:05| Black Peter > 33. |03:47| The Other One 34. |11:57| Truckin' 35. |01:39| Tuning 36. |06:37| Mississippi Half Step 37. |06:04| Sugar//Magnolia Encore 38. |05:17| One More Saturday Night Grateful Dead 9/30/72 Soccer Field American University Washington, D.C. Master 7" Soundboard Reels @ 7 1/2 ips > Cassette > DAT> CDR CD Mastering by Scott Clugston some hiss but still nice Disc 1 1st Set 1. Promised Land 2. Deal 3. Mexicali Blues 4. Sugaree 5. Black Throated Wind 6. China Cat Sunflower> 7. I Know// You Rider 8. El Paso 9. Bird Song 10.Big River Disc 2 1. Loser 2. Playin' in //the Band 3. Casey Jones 2nd Set 4. Greatest Story Ever Told 5. He's Gone 6. Me & My Uncle 7. Brokedown Palace Disc 3 1. Truckin'> 2. The Other One> 3. Sing Me Back Home 4. Sugar Magnolia 5. Mississippi Half-Step 6. Uncle John's Band Encore One More Saturday Night (missing) Grateful Dead - July 4, 1984 Five Seasons Center - Cedar Rapids, IA Recording Info: SBD -> Master Cassette -> Cassette -> Dat (48k) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller Patch Info: Sennheiser 421 -> Master Cassette -> Dat -> CD (shnid=14194) supplies: Far From Me (0:00 - 0:15) Space (4:39 - 7:22) Notes: -- Set 2 is seamless -- This is a remastering of my previous seed (shnid=27761) -- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction Set 1: d1t01 - Feel Like A Stranger d1t02 - Friend Of The Devil -> d1t03 - C C Rider d1t04 - Cumberland Blues -> d1t05 - Beat It On Down The Line d1t06 - Row Jimmy d1t07 - Hell In A Bucket -> d1t08 - Don't Ease Me In Set 2: d2t01 - Help On The Way -> d2t02 - Slipknot! -> d2t03 - Franklin's Tower -> d2t04 - Far From Me d2t05 - Estimated Prophet -> d2t06 - He's Gone -> d2t07 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - Truckin' -> d3t03 - Wharf Rat -> d3t04 - Around And Around -> d3t05 - Good Lovin' Encore: d3t06 - U.S. Blues

Mary - please add to postcard vine

These shows are all shn/flac format on 1 DVD.

1984 SBD's Part 2 Vine

Well since gdhead77 just vined 7/4/84 it just makes it a little easier for me. Flac files on 4 CD-R’s. Includes – gd84-11-03.sbd.greenberg.21761.sbeok.shnf gd84-12-31.sbd.miller.32347.flac16f Grateful Dead 11/03/84 Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, CA MSP > D > CD patched with MAC > C > C > D EAC & SHN conversion by John Mollman from Jim Powell's seeds Sector Boundaries verified w/ shntool Disc #1: 57:07 Set I 1. --preamble-- [0:28] 2. Alabama Getaway [6:35] > 3. Promised Land [7:12] 4. FOTD [10:39] 5. Down in the Bottom [8:34] 6. It Must Have Been the Roses [5:26] 7. The Music Never Stopped [9:03] > 8. Deal [9:08] 9. "we'll be back" [0:05] Disc #2: 48:54 Set II 1. Feel Like A Stranger [9:51] 2. Cumberland Blues [6:06] 3. Gloria [8:48] > 4. Why Don't We Do it in the Road [6:00] > 5. Jam [5:12] > 6. Drums [12:49] Disc #3: 55:16 1. Space [12:10] > 2. Uncle John's Band [11:47] > 3. Dear Mr. Fantasy [6:57] > 4. Throwing Stones [9:26] > 5. Lovelight [9:05] 6. --outro-- [0:12] ENCORE 7. --dead air-- [0:05] 8. Brokedown Palace [5:32] 9. --outro-- [0:05] Grateful Dead - December 31, 1984 Civic Center - San Francisco, CA Recording Info: FM -> Master Reel (1/4 Track 7.5ips Dolby B Tandberg Deck) -> Dat Transfer Info: Dat (Sony R500) -> SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> Cool Edit Pro v2.0 -> FLAC (3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC) Recorded By Bob Menke Dat Supplied By David Gans Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net February 1, 2006 Notes: -- Seamless transition between discs 2 and 3. -- Reel flips in Bird song and Drums patched with FM source pulled from LMA. -- Cool Edit Pro used to make minor level adjustments. -- I removed all DJ chatter that wasn't over the music. Set 1: d1t01 - Tuning d1t02 - Shakedown Street d1t03 - New Minglewood Blues d1t04 - Peggy-O d1t05 - Jack Straw -> d1t06 - Bird Song d1t07 - Hell In A Bucket -> d1t08 - Don't Ease Me In Set 2: d2t01 - Sugar Magnolia -> d2t02 - Scarlet Begonias -> d2t03 - Fire On The Mountain -> d2t04 - Man Smart (Woman Smarter) -> d2t05 - Drums -> d3t01 - Space -> d3t02 - Spanish Jam -> d3t03 - The Wheel -> d3t04 - Throwing Stones -> d3t05 - Turn On Your Lovelight Set 3: d3t06 - Gimme Some Lovin' -> d3t07 - Uncle John's Band -> d3t08 - Around And Around -> d3t09 - It's All Over Now, Baby Blue "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."