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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
Ahh but will the Colts beat the Jets on Sunday?
Yeah that is pretty wild! As far as collecting things goes - that's a really cool route to go..
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
Who Dat! Would anyone be interested in a Dr. John Vine?
In honor of the victorious Saints (I was pulling for the old man & the Vikes) I got a DVD flacful of Dr. John shows circa 1972-85, I can offer up.
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
I guess it was karma
Catching up to old Favre. You don't retire, then come back playing for your old division rival. It's just so wrong on so many levels. Then again - the Vikes got robbed because that pass interference call in OT was bogus. That should never be called in a championship game let alone in OT of a championship game sheeeesh!! Then again old Favre threw a terrible pick to end regulation ... oh the drama!
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
imagine this conflict
i am from where brett favre grew up and still lives in kiln ms. he does alot for the kids on the gulf coast, i also live just 65 miles from new orleans and have been a saints fan for 43 years. soooooo! geaux saints!! don't think we can beat the other home town kid, peyton manning though.
Thanks Raymond
I took a quick look at the Vindex, and there are a number of NYE shows already vined, but not of the recent variety. It might be cool to fill in whats missing.
Thanks, again.
"That path is for, your steps alone."
2-21-95
I have been listening to 2-21-95 salt lake city sbd. Thanks Trevor. This is one great show, and Jerry's voice is crisp and clear. FOTD here is the best 90s vesion I have heard. It is tight, and Jerry's voice is great. I give it a A+
There is no doubt in my mind, Jerry's vocals are better in '94 and '95 going back to say '83 or '82--I'm talking about vocal quality (not flubbed lyrics). I listened to some '88 stuff for comparrison, and his vocals were deep and raspy.
Sure, there were some rough '94 and '95 shows but man, some of em' are great.
Jerry's voice
Speaking of flubbed lyrics, listen to the second set of 4/8/85. Jerry clearly does NOT know the lyrics to either Revolution or Touch of Grey. This show proves that a telepromptor is much needed. I don't mind a flubbed lyric here or there, but this is one of those shows that should have embarassed him, and there were definitely some negative thoughts that crept into my head as I listened to it. The rest of my just posted 85 vine is good though!
I agree re: his voice that it is better later on (I'd say late 80's rather than 90's though) than it was in the early to mid-80's.
4-8-85...revisited...
BUT!!! That first set is INCREDIBLE!! I have the same copy of the show as dstache.... and the sound quality is not very good.... but that show still ranks in my personal top ten live shows of all time. The 2 at Merriweather a few months later.... the 89 Fall tour shows... surpass this one.... but being there.... a GREAT show!
My 2 cents...
Raymond
4/8/85
haha, yeah, they like that first set on Archive too. For those that don't know, set 1 included the following interesting combos, among others: In The Midnight Hour > Walking The Dog > Big Boss Man and Down In The Bottom > I Ain't Superstitious.
In general, the fact that they bust out an underplayed or new song doesn't do much for me. But maybe here set 2 bothered me so much that I downgraded set 2 retroactively.
and also by the way....!!
Have just sent our friend Pomo the 91 NYEve show he requested.... He has been a pre-85 Dead guy so far.... so I included the Hampton 10/8 & 9/89 shows along with the 10/16/89... I look forward to his response to those Dark Stars!
Thanks all.... I am especially grateful to all of you in the Vineyard who have helped me get back in touch with these great shows that I gradually let slip away over the last 10 years or so.... this last year in the Vineyard has been a joy!
Raymond
Thanks Raymond
I will listen to those shows with an open mind. Its not that I never listen to the later stuff, its just that I seem to enjoy the earlier Dead more. Also, I think the fact that I stopped attending shows after 1984 also affects my tastes. I would never think to denigrate anybody for loving the later stuff, as it is all a matter of taste. Besides, even the worst of the Dead is a hell of a lot better than most of the stuff I come across.
I will let you guys know what I think of the Hampton shows.
"That path is for, your steps alone."
later eras
I think it helps when listening to shows from the later years if you take things with a grain of salt, recognize that Jerry is NOT the guitarist he once was, and compare shows in that era to one another, rather than to shows from other eras.
As to denigrating, I was reading recently on Archive about some '85 show, and the reviewer said how he much preferred the exciting, fast-playing Jerry of '85 to the boring, slow-playing Jerry of '77. I said to myself, "That is the last review of yours I ever need to read as I clearly cannot rely on you for any information."
And one more. I won't say the name of the reviewer; I'll let someone else guess who I am talking about. He reviewed shows in the Taping Compendium (not an editor). In one of his reviews of a spring '90 show, he says that that tour was perhaps the best tour since 1974. That is a lot of music to skip over. If he said it was the best tour since Fall 77 I might have said, ok, a little controversial, but reasonable. But to skip over ALL of 1977 and say spring 90 is better than 77, are you nuts?!?!?!? The guy drives me nuts for other reasons (he is so critical of every show, I wonder whether he even likes the band, and he's just pretentious). Anyone know, without looking at the Compendium, the reviewer to whom I am referring?
ugh
You know what, forget about that last post. Anyone think we need more 89 vined? I have June Shoreline, July Alpine Valley, August Berkeley and September Shoreline shows. One of the Alpine Valley shows has been vined, as have the 3 August Cal Expo shows. If anyone has the early July shows please let me know.
Yes Please
To Shoreline Sept 89!!! Been looking for those for a looong time..
"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
89 cont
Ok, I will post the 9/29, 9/30 and 10/1/89 shows next week (plus a bonus of 7/4). I think Marye needs a little break as she has posted a bunch of vines the last 2 days. We'll do this one in both SHN/FLAC and WAV, with me converting and burning to WAV 1 show, and each of the first 3 to sign up 1 as well.
I am only missing 8 shows from summer/fall '89: 7/7, 7/9, 7/10, 7/12, 7/13, 7/15, 10/11 & 10/18. If anyone has SHN/FLAC versions and wants to start a vine, or trade, hey, let's do it!
this isn't the place...
...but I figured I'd ask my fellow viners and traders to let me know if you have an extra ticket for EITHER night of the Radio City shows. Why would you do this? You'll get face value, a good beer on me, AND you get to meet me in person! PM me if you have one. Thanks!
Dang dstache
Wish you were heading out west to my neck of the woods for the end of the tour!
"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
Hear hear, on your 2-2 post (the first one) scrutinizing some
of the Compendium's reviews. What I read sometimes furls my brow.
However, I recognize that there are a variety of tastes regarding the eras
of this wonderful band.
However, hyperbole AND distain?
Please.
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
Hampton Shows
Received from Raymond--you are truly a kind Head-- and gave them a listen.
They are both fine shows. I can definitely understand why a lot of people think very highly of these two nights, especially with the boys breaking out a lot of special material. I will listen to them again in the future.
However, for my tastes I still prefer to listen to earlier eras. In my subjective view, the band --especially Jerry-- was tighter, more imaginative and energetic even in a mediocre show from 1977 or 1972 or 1968 or 73, etc. Well, you get the picture. That is even without considering the condition of Jerry's voice.
Again, it is all a matter of taste and I think it is wonderful that many Heads love the later stuff.
"That path is for, your steps alone."
for the FLACless
I was thinking that it would be easier and cheaper if, instead of the seeder burning WAV CD's for each show, that he/she (hey, Rider might seed something!) include the WAV files on the DVD. A show in both FLAC/SHN and WAV fits on a single DVD. I usually get 50 CD's for about $9 and 50 DVD's for $13, maybe a little cheaper, so it is actually cheaper to put the WAV files on 1 DVD rather than 3 CD's. This way, the FLACless can enjoy the vine too, and we don't have to pay the postage for a heavier package. Of course, the FLACless must have a DVD player so they can at least read the files. Any thoughts from the FLACless?
for the FLACless
I think that sounds like a good idea. That way the flacless would get the text document with the set and lineage info . of course if one wanted to do a multi show vine it would have to be on muti DVD`s. and that would put an end to converting and extra postage. I actualy passed on a few vines that got converted becuz of the extra weight .
I think the problem is more over being dvd-less
Than being flac-less. I don't mean this is in a bad way or anything but I do understand if one doesn't have a DVD burner and usually that is how flac/shn are delivered is on dvd. But what I don't understand is why the flacless cannot convert flac/shn to wav. Conversion is just too easy to do for it to be a problem and limitation. My point is if we want to reduce postage costs (yes I do) the best thing is flac/shn on dvd but it makes more sense to me to put flac/shn on CD's rather than on dvd's instead of putting wav onto dvd if our goal is to look out for our friends with limitations. Because I just don't think flac-less should be a limitation.
Anyways, just my opinion, in the end I don't mind how we do this vining stuff, I'm just glad it is here for us all to enjoy no matter what are media preferences :-)
"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
I see JSFC`s point also
In the past I have educated a few people on the how too`s of converting . personally I prefer dvd because i just copy straigh into a hard drive then burn later . but yes whatever media is fine with me . I too am just happy to have a place and kind folks to do this vine stuff with !!
It's all good
Like I said, I am on board with whatever format people choose.
"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
24 Bit
can sound fantastic Witness the mindboggling 24 Bit versions of the of the fabulous April 71 shows that are appearing these days (the latest is 4-26-71). The main drawbacks are that the files are MUCH bigger and you cannot convert them to WAV (without losing all the audio benefits). And of course the audio source must be of good quality to be be able to make a difference.
To listen you have two main choices
Play through a 24 Sound Card or Digital Audio Converter. Your PC is unlikely to have such a thing internally. I have an external 24 Bit box that sits between my computer and my hi-fi. Its not the best you can get but it does the job.
Burn to an Audio DVD or Video DVD and play through a suitable player.
You can find out much more about entering the world of 24 bit by reading this
http://24bit.turtleside.com/
and through this discussion
http://www.shnflac.net/forum.php?action=viewtopic&topicid=10231
WOW as I write I see that a new 24 Bit Matrix of 74-6-23 Jai Alai Fronton has just appeared.
just chiming in
to say that having had to learn flac conversion for the vine currently in my possession, I tore my hair for about half an hour (much of that devoted to downloading a free program that didn't work, but the shareware SoundConverter seems to work fine and was worth the 14 bucks) and after that it was all pretty clear sailing. And my new computer (sigh...) has a good DVD drive.
I do agree that the lack of a DVD drive is a more formidable obstacle for many folks than the conversion itself.
I don't have a DVD burner but can read & copy the flac DVDs
on my computer, which is what I have done with several 'flac only' offerings.. Computer does recognize DVDs & somehow I was
able to even listen to them a couple weeks ago (can't figure it out
right now how I did that, however). Hope to convert those DVDs
soon (esp. my Dr. John vine) as I do have several waiting.
Lopezz sent me some programs to help with my converting
some of the flac DVDs that I have gotten from here (and elsewhere).
I hope to get to this process, possibly this weekend if I can get
computer time from wife (work) and son (school).
I recognize the cost issue as far as sending stuff out. I feel like it
is fair with all the wonderful & transportive music I am getting.
But I will figure it out. Even with my flintsonean skill level. ;o}
marye, what do I do without any hair to pull out?
Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.
No pressure Oroboros :-)
Just kidding man its all good, do whatever is easiest for you.
And cosmicbadger - wow you have all the cool little gadgets, gizmos and other computer and stereo enhancements .. that's awesome man! I'm just happy with my iPod or listening to cd's on my little boom box. actually most of my music time is in the car on the daily commute .. but some day ... I'll get a sweet sound system... some day..
"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
Missing vines
cosmicbadger --Thanks for all your work
I don't know about you folks, but there are a lot of missing or stalled vines. I wish MITD was here to sort it all out.
upcoming vine
Summer 72 will be next, probably a SHN/FLAC only vine. Off the top of my head. 7/16, 7/25, 7/26, 8/20/ 8/21 and possibly 8/22 and 8/24 (still have to listen to the last 2). Summer 72 is often disparaged, but the Other One's and Dark Stars are always exquisite, and, while the boys may take a song or 2 off, there is some delightful music in every show I have listened to.
upcoming official release ?
Did anyone hear about this ? 7-7-89 Release date: 03.30.10 I don`t know if it will be a DVD or just a soundboard CD .
you may be right Stuman
picked up this:
"Grateful Dead Productions will release a 3CD/1DVD Grateful Dead set
called Crimson, White & Indigo: July 7, 1989 - JFK Stadium,
Philadelphia, planning its release for March 30."
Duoh!!
Today I gathered up all the vines I need to mail out, put them in their appropriate envelopes, sealed them all up nice and secure, put them into my truck, found my keys, drove all the way to the post office, parked, gathered up all the packages, walked into the post office all just to remember that it is closed today!!
Happy President's Day!
"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
24 Bit Vine??
Would there be any interest in vines containing 24bit/96kHz versions of some classic GD shows. These are sonically a great leap forward. Quite a few are appearing now and some of them sound simply amazing.
However getting into 24 Bit requires another leap of technology. These are huge files ( 1 show fits on one DVD) and you cannot burn them to CDs. You need some reasonable sound equipment to be able to appreciate the sonic upgrade and you may require some investment to make it work for you. If you already have a 24Bit sound card or a DVD burner and a good quality DVD player you should be ready to go. I managed to get all the bits I needed to make the leap for around $50.
Here are two links that give you an idea of what would be required
http://www.pristineclassical.com/More/FLAC-24bit.html
http://24bit.turtleside.com/
So the proposal is to start a 24 Bit vine that includes detailed instructions and web links showing you what to do. The first would be the jawdroppingly good new 24 Bit Charlie Miller version of April 29 1971 which has to be heard to be believed.
If there is enough interest I will set it in motion. If not...well you won't know what you are missing :-)
Please post if you are interested.
CB
24 Bit Vine
Hey Badger , That sounds good to me ! I downloaded some 24 Bit and it does sound really sweet !! I play it on my DVD player through my wal-mart suround systme , it works pretty well . In fact Neil Youngs new releases come with a standard CD and a 24 bit audio DVD.
request for JGB Feb 1980
I'm listening to 2/22/80 right now, amazing show. Not sure which vine this came on, perhaps as a bonus show to something. Many of us have the After Midnight release (2/28/80). I looked on setlist.com and much of the show is graded very well. A seed of the entire month, sans 2/22 and 2/28, would be much appreciated by this viner. Downloaders?
I think I got some 80 JGB
I just looked in one HD and found 47G worth . Including the shows you mentioned dstache. It would all fit onto 10 or 11 DVD`s and thats only in one of my drives . where would you like for me to start ?
I included
2/22/80 and the late show of 2/29/80 on Random Jerry Vine part 1. I hear ya though - Feb 1980 was a great month. I'd love to get more shows from that period..
"Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
80 JGB
The east coast tour was from 2/12 - 3/1 so I think that would be a good vine (skipping 2/22 and 2/28). I say you give that a go and if it is well-received, and you are up for it, you can vine the other 80 shows you have. Thanks Stuman!
Re: 2/22, I didn't get it from that vine I don't think 'straw.