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  • claney
    11 years 8 months ago
    St Stephen
    Sounds like the band is really high on St. Stephen, not in a good way. :)
  • mark_mumper
    11 years 8 months ago
    wilfredt -
    The Dead, billed as Jerry Garcia and Friends, played Winterland in 1975 for the Bob Fried Memorial gig (along with Kingfish, Keith and Donna, and a sort of (may I say it) "girl group," as I remember it, The Mirrors. See the poster for that show at this week's Greatest Stories Ever Told post from David Dodd, http://www.dead.net/features/greatest-stories-ever-told/greatest-storie… (if you haven't already). Their only Winterland performance between the retirement shows in '74 and March '77. DeadBase's GarciaBase lists two nights at Winterland, December 19 and 20, in '75 with Jerry Garcia Band, Kingfish, and Keith and Donna. I've got news and advertisement clips from Bay Area gigs of the time packed away, so can't say at the moment whether there were other Kingfish appearances there that year; maybe.
  • mark_mumper
    11 years 8 months ago
    Thanks, mossonello...
    for the detailed response on the (half- or whole-step pedal effect, not used in this instance, and) 6th-interval two-string play that Jerry sounds to be doing. It sounded like an octave interval to me; I'm listening to it again now, and I maybe you're right that it's a sixth; in a couple of instances, the sixth (?) seems to be the lower of the two notes, maybe two octaves below what the "first" note's sixth would be--? --It all happens pretty fast, the streaming player doesn't accommodate quick precise repeats, and I don't have an instrument handy to check this out better (or, at the moment, easy time to give to singing it out). I don't play guitar, by any respectable measure; I had a classical guitar for several years, never got beyond first-position major scales (too concerned trying to get satisfied with my ability to make good tones, and fingering); I did use the guitar, after giving up practice, to adjust my Tascam cassette deck to play Dead tapes at proper pitch.... What caught my ear the first time listening to Jerry's playing in the transition to "I Know You Rider" was that two-toned sound just before the turn. But what seems more remarkable is how smoothly scalloped he moves the pitch of those bent? or down-fretted? notes in those eight bars (meanwhile maintaining the two matched tones perfectly, no? [or maybe that’s a clue to the two tones being an electronic effect?]). As I say, it's too fast for ignorant me to make out what's happening technically, but it's something to hear. ("Especially in 1993," I might say as one who stopped going to shows and listening to much of latter-day Dead in and after 1989, God love 'em. But I know, somewhat, from the So Many Roads set, that Jerry was sounding and playing pretty well in early '93, yes?)
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Welcome back to the Tapers' Section, where this week we'll sample some music from 1977, 1989 and 1993.

In March 1977, the Grateful Dead played the first of three multi night runs of shows at Winterland in San Francisco in 1977, with the others being in June and December, and all of which were excellent. From the final show of the March run, 3/20/77, we have St. Stephen>The Other One>Stella Blue>Around and Around, US Blues, Terrapin Station. There is a reel change cut in The Other One, but otherwise this is an exceptionally hot sequence.

From a dozen years later in Oakland on 12/31/89, we have the end of the New Year's show. This was a very cool New Year's Eve show, opening with Sugar Mag>Touch>Man Smart, and the first set ending with Shakedown Street, plus the first Bay Area Dark Star in more than five years. From the end of the second set and the first encore, we have Dear Mr. Fantasy>Hey Jude, Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away; Brokedown Palace>Sunshine Daydream.

The Spring tour of 1993 had plenty of very strong playing, and from the first of a three night at the Rosemont Horizon near Chicago we have that start of the second set China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider ; Victim Or The Crime > Ship Of Fools ; Playing In The Band from 3/9/93.

Be sure to stop by next week for more tunes from the vault, and as always we encourage you to write to us at the email address below with questions or comments.

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Nice sequence beginning with St Stephen into the Other One, then Stella and beyond. Takes the chill out of a frosty KC morning. Thanks DL
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The March Winterland '77 and the Oakland '89 New Years runs are typically top notch, especially the latter! Regarding Rosemont '93, here's my story... I didn't attend Rosemont that year but did attend the Richfield show that ddn't get cancelled as a result of the Blizzard of the Century. A friend of mine who I went to that show with did attend the Rosemont run and even had taper tickets for all three shows, so I had the opportunity to listen to these as a warm-up. What I liked about the recordings of these shows is that the were uniformly well played, Jerry played ad sounded great. Vince stuck to playing what was appropriate, as sometimes I felt he had the tendancy to step over the rest of the band and over sing and play on occasion. Lazy River Road, Eternity, Liberty and The Days Between showed the best potential of the batch of new songs. They felt like songs that could have easily been written in the '70s. Just exactly perfect. All in all, the Rosemont '93 run felt like the band, and particularly Jerry were back in form after what to me felt like a mixed bag year in '92. The Richfield show I did attend, a the time felt like somebody sort of let the steam out of the band and the show seemed like more of a rehearsal, until they got to Terrapin, where some real fireworks sarted. Particularly the run of songs Terrapin>jam>drumz>space>Miracle>and a Stella Blue for the ages. Years later, listening back to the Richfield '93 show, like is frequently the case for me now-a-days, sounds better t me than I remembered. If there is any thought to release the '93 Rosemont run, I would definitely be onboard. Throw in the segment I listed from Richfield as bonus tracks, and you got yourself an A+ release. I realise that may people who post here on the Grateful Dead sight frequently express dissatisfation with anything the band played after 1979, but, there is plenty to love from the second half of their touring career. I would just say to tptb to not be afraid to delve into the latter part of their touring days. There are a lot of us who would be forever Grateful!
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Someone I traded tapes with awhile ago- whenever I borrowed a show he attended, he would write "I was there" below the set list. This week's Rosemont Horizon selection- I was there. I really can't say this of many shows, so might as well seize the opportunity. By the way, how are things in your town? Bravo and a big Thanks for this (and every) week's journey into the Vault- Especially the back-to-back March Winterland selections- 1977 at its mighty finest.
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has a wonderful quaalude quality to it. Ya know mondo, "his hair's so long he's got to callin' it home...." :). Thanks, DL
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A very nice Sundaymorning herewith friends, drinking coffee and listening too. Just so happens to be 10:16 as this moment of communication; I love it when that happens. Have a beautiful day Everyone... Good Friday is coming, xo!
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WOW! It was just New Year's Eve @ my house, spot ON! Wooohoooo. I needed that, most certainly. The Grateful Dead is a little like... Maxwell House Coffee "Good to the last drop." Going to take a ride or two on the Ship of Fools. See ya later Alligator, xo! -------------------------(-----@ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Check out Jerry's two-toned (and scallop-shaped) notes in the twenty seconds preceding "I Know You Rider" of the Rosemont Horizon '93 performance. It sounds as if he's playing/picking on two strings (more than it sounds like electronic adding of a higher? octave), though I can't readily say whether that's technically doable with those notes. (The notes in his soloing previous to that do sound brightened by some higher-octave overtone on the main tone.)
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This triptych would make another fine Winterland Box release. I know that June was only 3 months away but still...
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Did the Dead or any of the band members' bands play at Winterland during the hiatus '74-'76? If not, these shows would be historically significant as well. For me, at least 2 more Winterland boxes are warranted: Feb. '74 and Mar. '77.
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This is the most beautifully played St Stephen I have ever heard. There IS that perfect moment of silence in this stella. Watched Micky speak of the vela pulsars last night on the history channel Everybody's trying 2 figure it out Everybodys trying 2 work it out! Got 2 get better N a little while!!!!
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so i'll just edit this to say Thanks Again David!!!so nice ^_^
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there is a pedal effect that creates a second tone that can be altered by an expression pedal, sweeping either a full step interval (2-chromatic steps), or even programmed to the right key so it knows when to move half steps. it's a very cool effect, and Jerry uses it remarkably!! you know which is the 'extra' note by the one that tone moves over a static tone.
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per Mark, i was wrong in making an assumption... the effect i mention started getting used around that time, very prominent in ballads in '95, and well, i'm mistaken as you were not talking about that.:P yes, Jerry is playing two notes at once, consisting of a scalar progression the notes being a 6th apart... to stay in key, the 6th will be a natural 6th interval or a minor 6th one. if you play a bar chord, the root starting on the A-string, the notes played on the D-string and B-string represent a form of this. like a bar C-chord... the notes G and E are voiced on the D/B-strings (5th fret each). staying in C major, you can do what Jerry did by moving fingers together, up and down the string to the adjacent notes of the scale, i.e. no sharps or flats. should have listened before making a false claim and accidentally double posting only to post my correction a third time.. i just love the Grateful Dead, it's my only excuse!!
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Yeah! Came back for another New Year's Eve, xo! Nice reading too, thanks, xo! Singing... Ashes Ashes All Fall Down Ashes Ashes All Fall Down into NFA like riding a wave at sea relentlessly rocking on as it was NYE! Tonight.
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We had near front row tickets for the Rosemont show. Throughout the show, a young lady was encroaching on our seats and really crowding us. I am not sure where her seat actually was. We referred to her as the imposer. Later that night she was involved in a scene at the hotel front desk. Apparently, her payment for her room had not cleared so they locked her out of her room. I couldn't help but grin at the karmic retribution. I enjoyed the show(s)--quite a bit of new material and the Ken Nordine appearance was epic.
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for the detailed response on the (half- or whole-step pedal effect, not used in this instance, and) 6th-interval two-string play that Jerry sounds to be doing. It sounded like an octave interval to me; I'm listening to it again now, and I maybe you're right that it's a sixth; in a couple of instances, the sixth (?) seems to be the lower of the two notes, maybe two octaves below what the "first" note's sixth would be--? --It all happens pretty fast, the streaming player doesn't accommodate quick precise repeats, and I don't have an instrument handy to check this out better (or, at the moment, easy time to give to singing it out). I don't play guitar, by any respectable measure; I had a classical guitar for several years, never got beyond first-position major scales (too concerned trying to get satisfied with my ability to make good tones, and fingering); I did use the guitar, after giving up practice, to adjust my Tascam cassette deck to play Dead tapes at proper pitch.... What caught my ear the first time listening to Jerry's playing in the transition to "I Know You Rider" was that two-toned sound just before the turn. But what seems more remarkable is how smoothly scalloped he moves the pitch of those bent? or down-fretted? notes in those eight bars (meanwhile maintaining the two matched tones perfectly, no? [or maybe that’s a clue to the two tones being an electronic effect?]). As I say, it's too fast for ignorant me to make out what's happening technically, but it's something to hear. ("Especially in 1993," I might say as one who stopped going to shows and listening to much of latter-day Dead in and after 1989, God love 'em. But I know, somewhat, from the So Many Roads set, that Jerry was sounding and playing pretty well in early '93, yes?)
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The Dead, billed as Jerry Garcia and Friends, played Winterland in 1975 for the Bob Fried Memorial gig (along with Kingfish, Keith and Donna, and a sort of (may I say it) "girl group," as I remember it, The Mirrors. See the poster for that show at this week's Greatest Stories Ever Told post from David Dodd, http://www.dead.net/features/greatest-stories-ever-told/greatest-storie… (if you haven't already). Their only Winterland performance between the retirement shows in '74 and March '77. DeadBase's GarciaBase lists two nights at Winterland, December 19 and 20, in '75 with Jerry Garcia Band, Kingfish, and Keith and Donna. I've got news and advertisement clips from Bay Area gigs of the time packed away, so can't say at the moment whether there were other Kingfish appearances there that year; maybe.
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Sounds like the band is really high on St. Stephen, not in a good way. :)