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    18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

    We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

    For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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    Roger Waters had excellent sound in Philips Arena the 3 times that I saw him there.

    D&C had good sound in 2015 (I was 3 rows in front of where I was for Van Halen 2007 in the same seat, aisle, section to the right of the soundboard). D&C sound was far better than VH.
    D&C 2017 sound was even better because I had GA floor and stood in the sound sweet spot for set 2. I was up by the stage for set 1 and the sound seemed muffled.
    There’s video of both.

    Look up DeadFloyd69 on utoob

    The Roger Waters 2017 video on that channel is not from Philips (it was being renovated) but from the minor league hockey arena in the burbs. You can tell how good Water’s sound system is because that video and audio were recorded on an iPhone.

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    ...I asked! Surprising that I had owned at least two of those; Focus-Moving Waves and Hawkwind-Warrior on the edge of Time. Record stores that took trade-ins were like drug dealers, they had me. Tangerine Dream and King Crimson were also favorites from a friend's collection. Renaissance, It's a Beautiful Day too. Genesis also held interest with many great band members. Thank you all for your input. I have some research to do.
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    I did not know Martin was producer on Long Strange Trip...

    That was probably the last documentary I can handle unless there is still a lot of 60's film footage that has never been released; and there may be.

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    I guess the surviving members and estates are ok with it...

    but...ugh.

    Do they need the income? I haven't seen Bob Weir at the end of an offramp holding a "will strum guitar for food" sign.

    why would I watch a movie where I get to see Jerry disintegrate again?

    I'll keep cranking up shows like 12/6/73, 6/10/73, etc., thanks.

    THAT'S ALL ON THE SUBJECT FROM ME.

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    I have been meaning to write about sound pressure and stereos or my stereo in particular. I am now shopping for a db or sound pressure meter. My stereo currently has a total of 1350 watts in a slightly under 300 sqft room. Can you crank it all the way up? Not a chance in hell. It allows me to have the headroom to play at much much less volume. The point being, the way I have my set-up, I can feel the music as much or more than I hear it. That is the whole point to me, it is much less sound pressure on the ears, but can make bowel movements much easier. Haha, jk, sorta. I do have proper bass traps deployed to absorb the strong low end, both on the floor and on the wall behind my sweet spot. All of this talking got me thinking, maybe I should actually measure my db level.

    I have an old friend that spent almost 20 years working for Clair Brothers as a traveling sound mixer, and he still mixes loud. (Although I am a Meyer Sound guy, Clair Brothers were the first professional business in sound reinforcement after Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons asked the brothers to go on tour with them in 1966. I may be wrong but to me they rip off the John and Helen Meyer Sound, or maybe they pay a licensing fee.) I am going to track him down and ask him about tinnitus and SPL. Years ago we had a 4 hour debate on line arrays, he was opposed. Then I got him to read about line arrays in an article I posted here six years ago from Prosoundweb. The article was about "Fare The Well" and the latest Meyer Sound line arrays. I think the article was removed as I did not find it last November when we were posting about Don Pearson and Dave's First Show Release (Dave's 36?). I posted part of the article which was on the Meyer Sound site last November.

    Any way, all the talk about volume and my wanting to protect my ears as much as possible, caused me to do some deep thankin.

    1350 watts is about 5% of the WoS Macs etc.

    Dang, I do love the subwoofers and bass. That comes from the respect I have for the Africans love for bass, which caused the overall hz-khz average to move down closer to median or below. There love came in the mid to late 80's with the release of the 808 drum machine. OK enough ramblin, dang my ears are ringing. Anyone of interest can watch 808 on Amazon, a documentary about the machine. Of course Meyer Sound for FTW had multiple banks of 15 and 18" subs. Think it was icecream who said D&C sounded great indoors at Atlanta Stadium???

    Last thing, if you listen to music thru headphones, think about it seriously.

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    I suspect that is to my benefit.
    Guess I’ll find out eventually when Martin cheeses up the Grateful Dead’s good name and reputation.

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    Hall Of The Mountain Grill, my personal favourite, great songs and some great sounds. Concur with both Quark and Rotter's Club, excellent.

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    Can I add ‘Quark, Strangeness and Charm’ to the Hawkwind list.
    I’d also recommend Hatfield and the North especially ‘The Rotters Club’ and National Health. For the more adventurous I suggest Henry Cow and The Art Bears although Dagmar Krause’s vocals can be an acquired taste (I love them).

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    As Simonrob says, there's plenty of it that barely gets a mention today. I went through a Prog Rock phase in my late teens, but not much of it stuck, but Caravan did, or to be more specific two or three of their albums. They were part of the Cantabury scene that produced Soft Machine, Kevin Ayers, Robert Wyatt and many others. Both "In the Land of Grey and Pink" (1971) and the wonderfully titled "If I Could Do It All Over Again, I'd Do It All Over You" (1970) are particularly outstanding and their eponymous first album (1968) is also highly regarded by many, although, for me, it's not quite up to the standard of the others. Sadly, after 1971 Caravan went off in a different direction which, aside from the odd bright spot, never really worked for me.

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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Whoa, this is great to see - summer tour '90, these are I believe the next shows after my very first show in Buffalo '90. Love it, bring it!

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I am glad that they finally put out 2 show[s] from the beginning of the 90s because for the most part it was going down hill due to jerry being exhausted. This will probably be somewhat a good thing since the next Dap#41-44 will concentrate more on the 70s and hopefully 60s and knowing that they won't use 90s for 3rd pick. I hope we will get no more 90s in the future. No offense to anyone else. My opinion only.

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89-90 was a high water mark for sure. I am well chuffed with this one!

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For those who speak Dave, what does he mean by this? Just the encore from 7-19-90 and what else? Could there be a second box this year or is he teasing for the next subscription sales season? So many questions. I'm confused. But I've learned to live with that. Anheuser's (born in St. Louis) disease has that hidden benefit. It's all new again every day.
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Didn’t see that coming lol.
Not familiar with these at all.
Was at Buffalo, which was good, hopefully these are as good as he implies…

ISTSHOW: bet he’s going to just tack it on as bonus material…the question is will it be more 90, or something else?

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Not my birthday show!!

We did Pittsburg and foxboro on that tour.

The sample sounds good.

Glass ordered!!!! If it gets here unbroken,,, I will have all four!!!!

Guess that showed the axe who was boss!! (but damn,,, i wished I had ordered one!!! Maybe just to piss the wife off a little :-) )

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I'm sure this will be fun, and it's four discs. I'd guess the missing encore will be streamed as a listening party.

Admittedly, didn't see this coming. These shows had to be the friendliest place for two nights in Indiana, which I'm sorry to say I never found to be an inviting place by any means.

Tape source? I didn't have the patience for Dave's seaside chat.

....Dave mentioned these were DAT tapes, and that they actually added in a little audience ambience in between songs, because the DATs were so crispy and dialed-in to the music. I'm ok wit DAT.

See what I did there?
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I'm down for Deer Creek. Nice!

He said Healy board with an aud source blended in between songs…
The encore will appear on a Dave’s from 2022. I’m guessing as bonus material?

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"you better shake some action
bring it on, bring it on"

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Okay, I'm not complaining, but the seaside chats are hard to watch. I just fast forwarded to hear that these are soundbds with aud mixed in for ambience and US Blues will be added to one of 2022's release. Okay.

The only comments I cared about were a) DaP 41 to be announced "soon" and b) there's purportedly so much coming out next year that some projects had to be moved to 2023. So Dave has the hook into me for another two years! I now see Wake of the Flood 50th coming out in 2023. As for 2022 ... what? "Ace" 50th? Remix/remaster of (3) "best" Euro '72 shows? A fall '72 box? Something we just aren't conceiving?

The GD Vault truly is the mystery box that keeps giving. Glad to be along for the ride! (Except the incessant "this show is the greatest and, oh, look at that sea otter on my leg!"

Cheers, gents.

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on the 18th the anticipation for Help>Slipknot>Franklin's was insane.... I remember a giant godzilla making it's way down to the stage!!

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Lance from Morning Dew on WBAI played a sick board of 7/19/90 back in i think 92 & my recording of the radio broadcast came out static-free... wore those tapes out, as every tune is immaculately conceived...
7/19/90 & 3/24/90 are ze 2 best shows from 1990, for me... it's a damn shame what they did to Set-1 from 3/24/90, don't get me started about that dumb shite...
if you're not into Victim>Foolish, this version will make you a believer, if not for the segue alone... ♤

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This looks great to me. I have long wondered if we'd see a summer 1990 in Dave's picks. I've never listened to these shows closely but the first one shows up on lists of best shows from the era. As a head who grew up in the midwest in the 90s, great to see Deer Creek get some love on a Dead release. Looks like a great batch of songs. Can't wait to give this one a spin! Thanks Dave!

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Now we're getting serious! This is the ONE!!!

I caught 7 shows that year. 3 at the Omni, first 2 nights of Tinley Park and 2 at Compton Terrace. All performances were glorious.

I can't rave enough about this Deer Creek run. Thank you Dave and crew!

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Well, since I'm still working my way through the 20 discs worth of the '70s Dead that just dropped on my door step, I suppose I can make do with the next DaP being a 1990 show. I mean, they can't all be '70s shows. Can they?

The set list on the 18th looks promising. Seems like this will be a nice coda to the Brent years and well worth having.

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I actually taped 7/19/90 and look forward to hearing this. Best Promised Land, best Deloation Row, one of the best TLEOs ever. The US Blues encore was one of the best as well.

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I can recall these shows vividly. As an Ohio person, Deer creek was a place we always hit. Help>Slip>Franklin's, Minglewood + Easy to Love You the first night was wonderful. BE Women, Cassidy, Deal to end the first set. Nice China > Rider, nice jam out of Terrapin. A tad short out of drums, but nice Other One into a fantastic Dew. Weight encore.

The pre-drums segment of the 2nd night is also very fine. I love Althea so I remember loving that at the time.

Agree with Dave, in retrospect, at Deer Creek, it seemed everything was fine. At Tinley Park, I did get some weird vibes from the stage with Brent. In a way, this was the last stop where everything seemed OK to me. Nothing but smiles from me on this one. Only the second time we've had 2 Brent era releases on the Dave's in one year, and they have been the last two.

Still, '90 for me is part of The Eleven ('69, '72, '73, '77; '70, '71, '74, '76, '78, '89, '90), so I am all good there.

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i read the email but didn't watch the video. Did Dave mention where we might see the night 2 encore? Maybe part of the upcoming 30 days of dead?

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Excited for this one. TheeAmazinGace333 considers 7/19 and 3/24/90 as perfect shows. I’m right there with you on 3/24, which is one of the best shows they ever played. I’m close but not quite there with you on 7/19. Either way, really great couple of shows. Thanks for another twofer!

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80sfan, Dave said likely on 41 (or 42 or 43, hah)

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90's double shot. I'm ALL in!!!!!

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That has always bugged me, is, to me at least, we have not gotten the BIG shows from that era as Dave's. Which is fine, I mean, I get that not every show is gonna be a famous show or widely circulated release. Part of the fun is gonna be digging up hidden gems from the Vault & sharing them. I get that.

But for the 70's, we do/have gotten some obvious big tent shows: 11/17/73, 2/24/74, 1/22/78, 2/26/77, etc. I don't think any of the 80's Dave's fall into big tent category (though that 11/30/80 is close). I think these are at least in that range. I mean, then Branford/Spring tour shows and the Bruce/MSG runs are obviously the MOST famous from 1990. But these shows were hot, at least to me 20 year old ears at the time, and for sometime thereafter listening to the tapes.

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Interesting (and great) pick following the St. Louis extravaganza. Did someone below say Compton Terrace? Would love to see something from that wonderful venue released. 12/6/92 would be a fine choice, with snippets of 12/5 as filler. It's a great time to be a fan of the band.

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Dave 41 from RFK with 7/19 US Blues filler. Let’s do this!

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.... sound good. Listening to Dew right now, very crisp. "Official" copy should be great.

To kind of contrast it to Dick's Picks, there were a lot of, for me at least, Big Tent Brent shows that Dick selected. The Bobby Sands 1981 show, that '85 Sailor > Drums > Saint show, MSG Bruce '90 (OK, not Brent), etc. Now, of course, Dave WAS Dick for some of the latter ones, so credit where credit is due. Now, to be fair, a lot of Big Tent Brent has been released through other means: Warlocks Box, Spring '90, TOO, some of the 30 Trips stuff (10/27/79, 10/12/84, 6/24/85, 9/18/87 MSG, etc).

I am just excited to get some (what I consider to be) top shelf Brent era stuff on the Dave's picks. For the first/second time (that '80 show). But the first time from peak '89-'90 Brent. I am also excited listening to the St. Louis Box (on second '71 show now), and just recently got to see some darn good Dead & Co shows. I am officially in a GD happy place.

Agree, many of the non 80s Daves are, but none of the 80s are, in fact some are head scratchers?
Probably my only criticism of Dave, is he often picks the right neighborhood and street, but goes to the wrong house, especially with the 80s stuff.

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I do agree that most of the ‘80s picks aren’t the “big shows” of the Brent era. I mean the Alaska ‘80 shows haven’t been released, 10/10/82, the ‘84 Greek shows, etc. However, I think there just aren’t as many “big shows” from the 80s and 90s than the 60s and 70s. They were definitely more consistent with incredible shows in the first 15 years, and some big 80s shows like 11/30/80 and 9/2/83 have been released already. But I’m glad some of these sleeper shows are getting released, and I’m very excited for these shows. My two cents…

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God Bless the Grateful Dead.I was on the bus for many yrs at this point and feel I must express how important these final shows of Brent Mydland GD are. Brent was so much a part of this machine that his loss was even bigger than we could have imagined. The desolation row the easy to love you the beautiful work on foolish heart should remind us all what was lost and how huge his impact was. Thank you BMydland! Will be nice to have these gems. Thank you Dave et al.

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Update: The trick was to do it on the mobile app and not a browser.

Trying to place a preorder for this and when it gets to the part where you choose your payment method, the field is blank. So it's not allowing me to place this order. Very frustrated, have tried everything. Help!!

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7/13/84 is one. Alpine 89 is a big tent Summer run, but that should be a video/audio box. Many were in the 30 Trips box. I think 7/29/88 is another big one. Spectrum 89.

Compton Terrace 92. I was there. The Here Comes Sunshine breakout. Those were good shows. Jerry looked healthier than he had earlier that year. I remember great highlights like Samson, Uncle John's Band, Estimated. Among the best of 92 imho. I caught 12 shows that year including Copps Coliseum, The Palace, Deer Creek and Soldier Field with the James Cotton and Steve Miller guest sit-ins. That was a tentpole show.

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90 was a pinnacle year. No doubting or denying it. Brent brought life back to the band on 4.22.79 following some stale days with the Godchauxs and his power only grew, really peaking in 90. No one was prepared for the abrupt heartbreaking ending to that golden era. RIP Brent. The Other One on 7.18 has long been a favorite, and the Dew is sublime. Keep the 79, 80s and 90 shows coming please. Even the balances a bit. Due to the ravishes of time on our mortal brothers and sisters, along with the sheer ticket sale numbers, more of us active listeners were there during those years than any other period and were we ever blessed! Even Dave himself caught his first in 83, and the hommage has been paid to the early days for good reason, but the 89-90 period was just incredible with The beast, midi, harmonies with baritone Brent in toe, Jerry’s gracefully aged voice, and Phil back on the mic. Come on now, how have the Alaska shows, the 84 & 86 Greek shows, the shows from the last week of June 85, and the Alpine 89 and Spring 89 shows not been released in their entirety yet? I’ve gotta high limit on my plastic and will be checking!! Thanks 🙏

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I was very happy to see these shows chosen for the next Dave's Pick. I love all the Summer 1990 shows; am hoping to hear the two Eugene shows some day, they are my favorite two shows of the year. Again, I LOVE the latest Pick...Thank You!!

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Alright. Another two show four disc bonanza to end the year. And we get our first 1990 release. Would love to hear more about these shows Bob t.

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Checking things off your wish list.

I went to 7-21,22-90 but not Deer Creek. I know quite a few people who were at Deer Creek and they loved it. The middle-of-a-cornfield aspect really adds to the experience.
(My only visit to Deer Creek was 7-2-95…..)

I like 4-disc DaP’s for the 4th release of the year. Keep up the trend Dave.

With this and the STL Box, and the return of hockey, I think that I will be able to keep myself busy as the temps get colder and daylight gets shorter.

Speaking of hockey, LET’S GO RED WINGS!
Although they lost in overtime last night, that game was awesome!
I hope that they keep up the energy, don’t get plagued with injuries as usual, and get this rebuild going.
Last night was crazy for the total number of goals scored throughout the league. I think that players are happy to have the seats packed.

But back to GD.
Had to push some projects to 2023?
Intriguing.
And, DaP 2022 subscription is just around the corner.

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So grateful!!!

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It's nice to see some quality 1990 shows back in the Dave's Picks series. Yeah, I get it "good ol grateful dead" sells the best but after while that's gonna run out someday ... I was at these shows as well as the previous show at Louisville which could be the strongest show of the summer 1990 tour ... but this was the best Deer Creek shows from all the time they played that venue ... I saw all of deer creek shows except for 89 and 92 - nice soundboards circulated for years except for the first night , first set ... I was there , couldn't hear the PA for crap until about 20 minutes into the 1st set ... Help Slip Frank was well received as the only one from the summer played ... a really nice strong slipknot with some major Phil licks ... the whole first set is very well played and the second set we get a really nice powerful Other One that drifts right into the classic Morning Dew ... the Second night is very good too ... my only complaint is Healy went crazy with the gates and compression on the drums so we don't get to hear really good cymbals ... it will be nice to hear a pro mastered HDCD mix of this show ... I'm sure it's just t two track soundboard DAT source tape ... kudos for picking this show ... now , can you release 1984 Cedar Rapids July 4th show Dave ???? Thanks !!! Oh, the scene and weather were great for the shows ... not too many busts or hassles... that came the next year and got worse at Deer Creek in the years to come

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Another great Help>Slip>Franklin's opener. I attended 92 and 95 at Deer Creek. 92 was solid. 95 was a nightmare. Wish I would have attended 93 there as that Dark Star show was really good on tape.

Edit - That Playin>Drums>Dark Star>Dew>Playin sandwich from 10/18/72 sure is delicious. I'm starting with the 72 SL Fox shows. It's going to take a while to fully absorb the density of this set. What a way to close 2021 out and they still have the subscription pick to announce shortly after Dap 40 arrives. #41 and #42, with the bonus disc, both being the 1st two for the year are always big shows. Something from the 60s is due. At some point a Vince and/or with Bruce release is also due.

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Excited about these shows and that its gonna be 2 consecutive nights for the release. The new box set for St. Louis is AMAZING. Someone said sound was 3D on some shows and I would agree, its amazing how much difference the recoding engineer makes in the aural feel of any given performance. Would be nice to see more detail and featured breakdowns beyond what already exists of the folks responsible throughout the years. Could be a great coffee table book...

I sent a request to purchase a glass as I have the other 3. Would be nice if they came through with one of the extras. If not I will have the first 3 glasses available for an interesting trade if someone has the fourth and wants the other 3.

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That sandwich on 10/18/72 is surley one of the greatest live cds ever released. Happy days all round !

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I don't see these listed in the description at all so here they are:

7/18/90

Help on the Way
Slipknot!
Franklin's Tower
New Minglewood Blues
Easy to Love You
Peggy-O
Masterpiece
Brown Eyed Women
Cassidy
Deal

China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Looks Like Rain
Terrapin Station
drums
The Other One
Morning Dew

The Weight

7/19/90

Jack Straw
They Love Each Other
Desolation Row
Row Jimmy
Picasso Moon
Althea
Promised Land

Victim or the Crime
Foolish Heart
Playin' in the Band
China Doll
Uncle John's Band
drums
All Along the Watchtower
Black Peter
Not Fade Away

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