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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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July 17, 2024 - 1:19am

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DaP #51 info on your DaP subscription order page

I won't spoil it. If you want to know, go to your DaP 2024 order confirmation email from last year and click on the order number. That will take you to the CHECK ORDER page. Enter the order number, your email, and zip code and you'll see a receipt with all the details.
July 16, 2024 - 8:11pm

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....ooooh. A Klipsch R-120SW subwoofer for $240?
Sign me up.
July 16, 2024 - 6:01pm

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A punk band I forgot to list

China White

Their album Danger Zone ROCKS

X is categorized as punk, but I just call 'em rock n roll
July 16, 2024 - 5:04pm

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My punk dayz....

....finally getting around to organizing my record collection. Quite the task. I have over 300 records going back to my teenage days and just starting getting back into them as you know.
Holy flashback Batman. Stumbled across some T.S.O.L., Cramps, Misfits, Corrosion Of Conformity, Agent Orange and Subhumans records I bought decades ago. They still hold up.
According to discogs, some of the Misfits records I own are worth a pretty penny. Not that I would ever sell them.
July 16, 2024 - 3:00pm

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Nyuk Nyuk Yuk

The Stooges (the ones with Iggy, not Larry and Curly) loomed over punk in the US in a huge way, too. It was almost impossible to go to a punk gig in 1977 and not hear at least one Stooges cover. (My own proto punk band played I'm Loose and No Fun. Very poorly!) The Stooges and the Velvet Underground and the NY Dolls were really the foundation, along with the '60s garage bands.

And btw, there was a fair amount of give and take in those early days between punk and various brands of psychedelia, including the Dead. Punks were supposed to hate hippies, but in reality we were often on the same drugs and disliked a lot of the same things. Greg Ginn of Black Flag was a big deadhead, for instance. Also, my LSD connection was a hippie neighbor who one day shaved his long hair and 'went punk.' after a gig by X. Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth was a deadhead, lots of others.
July 16, 2024 - 2:47pm

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70's punk- The Stooges

Iggy and The Stooges were massively influential in England during the second half of the 70's. In some ways, as Chuck Berry was to the 60's, they were to the 70's. Starting with Nick Kent's article in the NME in 1972 about their legendary show at Kings Cross, in London, to Raw Power the following year and the discovery of their first two albums. Their tracks, No Fun and 1970 were covered The Sex Pistols and The Damned, among others, but nobody came close really.
When Iggy finally toured England, in 1977, it was one of the most eagerly anticipated rock events I have ever witnessed. Unfortunately - despite having David Bowie on keyboards - his moment had clearly passed. Still good - but not quite what he had been.

The New York Dolls were important too. appearing on the rock programme "The Old Grey Whistle Test" circa 1973. After a blistering and shambolic "Jet Boy" and "Looking For A Kiss" they were put down by a visibly bemused, and slightly miffed Bob Harris as "mock rock". The 1970's were taking shape!
July 16, 2024 - 2:38pm

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Gummies...

It just (duh) dawned on me where all the extra glue bits came from on the HCS box CDs
July 16, 2024 - 2:30pm

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Gary Farseer

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Hey Dave!!!

Listened to Dave's#40 - Deer Creek this past weekend. Even though I had listened to it several times, it really floored me. Nice Pick Indeed! Some great playing and the recording Dan captured is top notch.

I was much more in the active listener mode instead groove pilot.
July 16, 2024 - 2:00pm

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Crow

Great write-up. Especially for someone like me that was on a different musical direction. Always admired the Ramones for what they did and their history. What playing the Roundhouse in London in 1976? And more importantly, from my perspective, they never strayed to far from their charter.

Did I see the NYDolls in their, cant remember.

So for me, who has never been in a mosh pit, it was very enlightening!!!

Now how much will I remember? That has become the question.
July 16, 2024 - 1:26pm

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What's It To Ya, Punk?

Seventies punk is kind of an obsession for me, partly because it was maybe the only key moment in rock history that I had a mosh pit view of. I was around for a lot of the earliest gigs by LA area bands like X, Black Flag, Social D, and I saw the West Coast club debuts of everybody from Patti to Television, the Damned, Clash etc. Fun times!

So I would say that when people first started using the term "punk" to describe what was happening, it was because they were referring to the way a bunch of scruffy upstart bands who were rebelling against the corporate rock status quo of the mid-'70s and trying to overthrow the established order, even though they didn't seem to have the wherewithal (ie, money, connections, looks etc) to do it. I think "punk" being used in the way it was used in gangster noir movies: the "punk" is the small time hood with big ambitions who is almost certainly doomed to be crushed by the mob, the police, the power structure.

It wasn't really a musical style. Which is why that first wave of "punk" included artists as diverse as Patti, Television, Talking Heads, Deco, Pete Ubu, Suicide, and yes, the Ramones. I think what happened, as Daverock said, is that the Ramones offered a blueprint of what "punk rock" sounded like, and it was one that was easily copied, even by people who'd never picked up a guitar until yesterday. If you liked the Ramones, you could get together a couple friends, learn three chords, and start a band. And dozens and dozens (if not hundreds) did. Suddenly there was lots of bands that sounded like that in every town, and that was taken to be what "punk" was.

About Television specifically: I personally think they took too long to record, and as a result we missed out on hearing the earliest version of the band, when Richard Hell was still a member and when they sounded a lot more raw and basic in a way we associate with punk. If you're curious, look up the Ork Loft recordings, a video made in 1974, and you'll see what I mean. That's what they sounded like when they'd been together for about a year. They did some demos with Eno after Hell left the band in December ''74, which are a lot more polished. And then they didn't record their Elektra album till September 1976. By which time they were one the tightest bands you'll ever hear, and not much like what we think of as "punk."

Anyway. I would recommend hearing EVERYTHING Television ever did. Marquee Moon is a stone classic, the follow up, Adventure, much under-rated, and the live boots and Eno demos are all really good too. Even the reunion stuff is worth hearing.

Sorry for the long post. I warned you I was kind of obsessed with this stuff.

And, hey, Dave, where's that announcement?

John Perry Barlow

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

The secret Bier-Polizei won't let me comment

Did this get through?

Sie konnen hier nicht schreiben

Das ist verboten

Also sprach die HN aschlochen

And now

4 5 71
2 26 77

Love em

I recently called for Manhattan center box

4 5 71 has a chunky cut in The Other One

Schade

Also sprach Proudfoot

Last one for now

I looked at the Earth Day shirts

One of them woke up my inner Beavis and Butthead

Huh huh

Shipping Notice

Just got mine!
Peace

HN as.....

sounds good to me!
G.

Spring 77

Some folks are grumpy no matter what (dot, etc.)

4-23-77

88401.miller Playing now.
Yes, I’ll take it as a cleaned up official release.

DaP50 shipping notice received.
Tracking shows that the shipper doesn’t know what I’m talking about.

.

Comfort Colors....

....I'm a huge tee shirt fan. I would think most of us are. Just got one from that company.
Top shelf quality. I'm looking at you dead dot net.
Don't you dare hey now my ....'s.

Spring '77!

Got my shipping notice AND the GarciaLive notice today--good day.

When this was announced, I pulled out the TATTS and Download Series releases from this tour. I haven't listened to many of the Spring '77 releases, so have been planning a serious go-though where I listen to the shows in order, one each month or so. The announcement of this release made me realize that it was time to do the go-through.

The shows from 4/25/77 and 4/30/77 are top-notch, so now I can absorb this release, then mosey through the entire Spring '77!

Tease

I got a shipping notice this time. UPS says, “Wha?” USPS says, “We’re waiting…”

Mike Pinder

Passed yesterday, had a great write up about him but got hay nowed and I said f it
Fix this shat g damn it.

1984

Yes, they seem to be out in force today.

Hey Now

Who can we petition?
Or will we be ignored because we are just a few hundred regular posters and they cannot be bothered to care?
Cheers

Dropping May 17

Long Distance Love: A Sweet Relief Tribute To Lowell George
1 Trouble - Mike Viola
2 Cold, Cold, Cold - Joachim Cooder
3 Long Distance Love - Elvis Costello
4 Heartache - Bedouine
5 Ive Been the One - Bhi Bhiman
6 Rock N Roll Doctor - Miles Tackett
7 Be One Now - Lady Blackbird
8 . Love Needs a Heart - Madison Cunningham
9 Easy to Slip - Jonah Tolchin
10 Dixie Chicken - Eleni Mandell and Milo Jones
11 Roll Um Easy - Ben Harper
12 Lafayette Railroad - Larry Goldings
13 6 Feet of Snow - Jack Shit
14 Cheek to Cheek - Gaby Moreno I Two Trains Running - Chris Seefried
15 China White - Chris Stills
16 A Apolitical Blues - Dave Alvin
17 Feats Dont Fail Me Now - Sugaray Rayford
18 Sailin Shoes - Taylor Goldsmith
19 Spanish Moon - Inara George
20 . Rocket in My Pocket - Sam Morrow
21 Willin - Jonathan Wilson
22 Teenage Nervous Breakdown - the Bird and the Bee
23 Crazy Captain Gunboat Willie - Andras Jones
24 . 20 Million Things to Do - Gus Seyffert
Peace

the HN shyte won't get fixed

because they don't care a scrap

vote with your wallet as that's all you can do

I haven't ordered Mars Hotel because of it

that won't bring them to their knees

and I keep posting

but no more money from me

I Agree with ADEDHED68

Hey Chowed

Hey Chowed several times.

On the way.

Hope you all get yours soon.

Now, which Dave's Picks will sell out first? 46-50 still available.

Shipping Notice...

...received. It'll arrive when it arrives. I've learned over the years not to fret over delivery dates. 5/1 and 5/5 were my first two shows, so this is a perfect sandwich. Warming up with San Berdino 2/26 and Capitol Passaic 4/27.
The Lowell George tribute has been ordered.
Off to see Willie Nelson and Family with Asleep at the Wheel tonight.
This is the first of many geezer shows this season. More later.

RIP Mike Pinder of Moody Blues

Their first seven albums are awesome

a raise of the glass to you, Mr Pinder

Coming clean

I've never understood what people mean when they put up a blank post with a little dot in the middle of it. Adedhed's was the most recent. I get the impression the poster isn't happy about something - but what it actually means I have no idea.

Dang John

How could you even post that list.

Looks sweet!

notice

came 20 minutes after I posted on 4/23.

OK Last One

Vguy - love the sentiment "You will never regret being kind."

Best way to live life!

That too me is the test or the acid test...are you kind? Great Hunter Thought.

(micro) dots in posts

I have done that when I wrote something and then thought better of it.

Dots

Cheers-that explains it. I used to see things like that floating in the air once upon a time. I never knew what that was all about either.

Shipping noticed received!....

....yeah boi!
The . in subject then a . in comment usually means the poster retracted the statement they posted originally. Rethinking the comment? Double post? Oopsie? I think I might come across as an asshole?
I'm guilty of all four.

Dot's What She Said

Shipping
.

notice

received.

Dot

all.

For now.

More dots

They're everywhere once you start thinking about them. They'll be teaching them in schools next.

Shipping

Some time last year I got one on time, I guess I had my fill for a while. I really hope somebody gets one today.

Lovin Dot

Been pondering getting a customized license plate, various ideas (has to be maximum of seven letters):

1) MICRODT

2) DROPOUT

3) MKULTRA

4 TUNE-IN or TURN-ON

With 2 vehicles it might be good to use maybe tune-in and turn-on, or turn-on and dropout dot dot dot

same old story and I know it's been told

rock and roll hall of fame

one of the biggest jokes ever

mary j blige
cher

but Motorhead question mark

can you say travesty qm

If I had my way I would tear that old building down

HEY NOW

This is so frustrating Getting Hey Nowed for?????????

GD is my favorite band of all time of course

Motorhead is second

Chuck

my sense is that it has to do with all caps and punctuation

This is telling

A spring '77 that hasn't sold out yet? Time to remaster all Dicks Picks with Plangent process, remix, remaster and reissue .

Gram Parsons and Robert Fripp Would Like a Word

I never could figure out why the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame needed to exist. It's nice when, once in a while, a talented band or artist that's generally overlooked by the masses is inducted. Like say when the Stooges got in. But most of the time it's just "honoring" somebody who's already well known and already very rich already had plenty of honors.

It's certainly not about excellence, or influence. Gram Parsons isn't in there. Neither is King Crimson. Each has contributed recordings that are indisputable classics and launched entire genres of music.

And these days it's not even about rock and roll. Nothing against country or hip hop, but artists that excel in those genres don't belong in a rock hall of fame.

I wouldn't worry too much about DaP sales. If these were still limited edition runs of 12,000, they'd still sell out instantly. And reappear on the Bay for five times the list price. Fine with me if they take a year to sell out now.

But I do like the idea of revisiting some of the DiPs. I think it goes without saying the sound could be significantly improved over what was possible 25 years ago. Come on Powers That Be, make it happen!

Dot is all.

Bands

Always a good discussion, as of now (& subject to change)

1) GOGD
2) ABB
3) Yes
4) Rush
5) Pink Floyd
6) the Beatles
7) Phish
8) WsP
9) Little Feat
10) Genesis

Now listening pleasure is a different thing. Listen to 95% GOGD, or Jerry, sometimes Kingfish. Second would be ABB, third Phish, 4th Little Feat, fifth WsP.

That causes unnecessary brain fatigue. But, time to start the jams!

yesterday on the drive home

saw a car with a rush sticker and a second one that read 2112 in the font like 26 dot 2 for marathon runners

I thought about the Rushies here

One more re Rock Hall

John Lydon called it a piss stain

indeed

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Wonder too, why Gram Parsons is not inducted, a pioneer.
But Madonna made it.
How is Rock 'N' Roll defined?
G.

reverting to tarzan talk

bonus disc good two second sets good subscribers rejoice ungowa

My Hall of Fame

Listen to GD 99% of the time.
Then Jerry.
Then a variety including Hendrix, Rush, Floyd, Feat, ABB, Who, Zep, Stones, etc.
A favorite that is underrated is Hard Working Americans.

Phish hasn't even been nominated for the HOF....

....travesty.
Good to know we all agree that it's become a joke at this point. High five!

Yes, high five, Borat

I am so glad I saw Phish back in the day

not into them for a long time

but very glad I went in 1991 92 94

and now

Bob Dylan

Highway 61
Bringing It

great great great albums

RRHOF

I live 18 mins. from the RRHOF, and most here in CLE consider it a joke. I’ve been exactly once, when the special Grateful Dead exhibit was running. It was cool to see Dick’s reel to reel machine. It was years before the inductions were actually held in Cleveland. And the NY a-holes thought it was better to induct the home-town favorite NY bands like The Stooges and The Ramones before Rush and Motörhead. As Alex Lifeson said during his induction speech, “Blahblahblahblah…”. Silliness…