Grateful Dead

....one could scribe a thesis.
Box set announcement next week. I feel it in my bones.

:)))

5s or 10s? ;-)

Last 5 GD:

1. 11/7/69 Fillmore Auditorium - SF, Ca. - not as revered as DP16 11/8/69, but a fine show nonetheless. I was wondering why this wasn't a 4 show run? 11/8/69 was a Saturday which if I remember correctly was the Deadcrew 'dose' night and could be the reason for the X factor behind this show.

2. 5/26/93 Road Trips Vol. 2 #4 - I forgot how good the 2nd set is, but 'Box Of Rain' reminded me why PL should never handle lead vocals again…

3. 5/26/77 Baltimore, Md - My 3rd show... a sleeper (imo) from the much lauded Spring '77 tour…another potential DaP?

4. 4/24/72 Dusseldorf, West Germany E72 Tour…'nuff said.

5. Ladies & Gentlemen…The GD: 4/25-29/71 - a little musical detective work needed to be done: 'Casey Jones' is played at 4 of the 5 shows (4/25-27/71 & 4/29/71). I listened to the 5 shows and 'Casey' closes the four 1st sets with BW or JG saying 'Set Break' etc. 'Casey' on L & G has PL saying 'Thank ya New York' followed by Bill Graham praising the virtues of GD. This leads me to believe it's not just the end of the show but the end of the 5 night run… so where does PL fit in to it? It's actually evidence of the studio wizardry of both Jeffrey Norman (mixing) & Rudson Shurtleff (asst. engineer). PL says 'Thank ya New York' at the end of the 'UJB' 1st encore on 4/29! A great compilation and a little GD mystery…

Last 5 (Actually 6) non-GD...all released/recorded 1967:
1. Moby Grape - 1st S/T…these guys should have been as popular as GD/JA/BB & HC (imo).
2. The Byrds - Younger Than Yesterday
3. Miles Davis - Sorcerer
4. Elizabeth Cotten - Shake Sugaree
5. The Strawbs w/Sandy Denny - All Our Own Work (1967 Demos)
6. Gene Clark w/The Gosdin Bros. - 1st S/T…when he left the Byrds they lost more than a lead vocalist.

Damn I love music!

I've weaned myself from 3 10s down to 3 5s…will hopefully get off completely in the future.

Definitely Dave's Picks worthy. I cannot believe this has not been released yet. Great performance, great recording. Did I miss something?

What?? Your third show? Lucky dog. Do tell.

....ohhh shit. Ten Years After are there as well.

At least TYA had some success in the US…I believe it was their appearance at Woodstock that got them noticed by the media and the masses. 'Bad Scene' from 'Sssssh' was the song that got me.

Unfortunately Moby Grape had an extremely bad marketing campaign that sank their 1st album, which is a shame as I think it's a great debut.

I have what I call 'The Rock & Roll Fools Hall of Fame'…the fools being the masses who missed out on great music because they wouldn't give it a chance/listen. I think every person on this board could make a list of their own…artists or bands who never made it, whatever the circumstances…Moby Grape are in my Top 5.

Here goes:
We were 6 kids, 16-18 y.o., 4 guys/2gals who drove to Baltimore in what else? A white VW bus! We arrived around 3:00 PM and found the Civic Center. We proceeded to hang around outside for awhile and watch the great quanities of Heineken being brought in…this was before we knew about the Heineken requirements. The rest of the afternoon was spent walking around taking in the sights. The Inner Harbor had just completed renovations in hopes of furthering tourism as well as improving the city's image. I don't think we even had so much as a joint with us.

The show was great with 'Sugaree' being a standout..the extended solos blew us away, there's no other way to put it. Though not the tour's best version it was still incredible to hear and see. Our seats were approx. 10 ft. in front of the soundboard and to the left. We decided to get a room for the night, the gals making sure it was in the same hotel GD were staying. After we registered everyone but myself headed for the lobby bathrooms. While standing there waiting in the lobby for my crew, 3 'freaks' walk through the front door: the guy on the left had a beard, glasses and shoulder length dark hair, the guy on the right had glasses and light brown, medium length hair and was talking to the guy on the left, while the guy in the middle was just bobbing his head left and right…my thought process was this: 'Damn they let any kind of freak in this place'…and then I saw the GUITARS…I headed for the bathrooms around the corner to alert my friends but by the time we got back they had gotten on the elevators.

Long story short the gals were persistent in all things GD (these 2 ladies were at the Closing Of Winterland) and we got to meet Jerry Garcia the next day. He was an incredibly nice guy who took the time to talk with us for 15 mins. or so. My friend said, 'You did an incredible version of 'Sugaree' last night', at which Jerry, with a smile and a twinkle in his eye said, 'That was a lamb'. I'll never forget those words and believe they'll stay with me for life. All in all it was a great time

I have 2 other '77 stories which I'll save for another time:
1. The camp-out for opening night tickets at the Phila. Spectrum 4/22/77
2. Englishtown

Great story about seeing the Dead-thanks for sharing.

Concerning great bands who didn't make it-I literally wouldn't know where to begin. I've got countless compilations of British and American bands from 1965-1975, some of whom only ever got to cut one single. "Nuggets" was the gateway drug for this obsession, and any one of the bands featured on the original double album, since expanded to a 4 cd set would qualify as must hears.

But to delve even deeper, there is a great and beautiful book edited by the late great Patrick Lundborg, called "The Acid Archives", which chronicle bands so rare they weren't even household names in their own household. I've picked up a couple of albums recommended in this tome-two comparatively Dead friendly ones are the "Mountain Bus" album, which is often compared to Working Mans era Dead, and features a great version of "I Know You Rider", and Snakegrinder's "..and the Shredded Field Mice", which features some tidy jamming. Apparently Snakegrinder used to cover Dead songs live. We may never know how well.

In the comparatively mainstream world, I get the impression the Flamin' Groovies didn't make it in the States. Shame-they would have livened Woodstock up a bit. "Flamingo" and "Teenage Head" are my two favourite albums by them, and the later single "Shake Some Action" is one of the best of the decade-1970s. They must have been quite successful though-they are touring Britain this very minute.

Why is Keith not audible on most of these shows? I know the original Europe '72 LP very well and he is all over that. Is there a story here? Does anyone else notice this?

I have a collection called "Nuggets II - Original Artyfacts from the British Empire and Beyond 1964-1969". Is this different than the album you have? Do I need to search out Nuggets I - More Shit from Across the Pond? :-)

Update - Ok Dave, found a copy of Nug 1 for 10 bucks delivered! New. 4 cd's!!! AND it's coming from England! Some place called Zoverstocks. I get quite a few things from them. Downside is time it takes to get here. Found 2 other things called "nuggets" from Rhino in the library. I could have ordered Nugs 1 from the library, would have cost 2.50 to have sent here, but for 7 bucks more, what the hell, I bought it.

If I can get you nug 2 somehow, let me know.

Dennis

Sorry, not Dead. At our awesome little music fest here in Whoville this weekend. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UugP29qOQ98
- Trombone Shorty- Awesome!
- Twiddle- great unknown surprise. Some good jamming, like they knew how to take their time and let it build sorta like someone else we know, ahem 😉 I gotta believe the guitar player listened/studied Dickey Betts and JG?
- J Roddy Walston and the Bussiness- good, probably be better if they loosedned it up a bit. They sound like a band trying to “make it” ....Guessing the guitar player studied Jimmy Page. They should break out a Zep tune or two...
- Railroad Earth- interesting, yet another puesdo Jamgrass style band.
- N. Missippi Allstars- finally got to see them. Totally keeping that southern rock vibe alive.
- Black Joe Lewis and the Honey Bears- another great unknown surprise! Really enjoyed them, Good Friday afternoon vibe, got the party going for us.
Wanted to see Ripe, but didn’t get there in time, not sure about the other bands. But great weekend, we’re just afraid it’s going to get too big and get wrecked. Like so many other cool little scenes, especially the one we all knew so well. I bet Davestrang can attest to how it changed from those mellow late seventies scene to the madness that eventually came....

Thanks Dave, classic tale. I was a little too young for the GD, that would come a few years later. I do recall the renovations to the Inner Harbor during that period. My first show would come at the same venue five years later.

I enjoy hearing how approachable those guys were and somewhat down to earth. Wish I was there that night.

dreading - Keith's presence in the mix for the E72 box has come up several times over the years, most notably (and forcefully) by OneMan. Jeffrey Norman made a few guest posts here as well and the topic came up. I can't speak to the specifics but I can try and summarize what was said a couple years back. I think it the fact that this was a pretty massive project at the time and there were sizable time constraints on the process contributed to a final product that would have benefited from more time. I think there are several releases that he (Jeffrey) would love to revisit and remaster. Hampton 89 and many of the early Dicks Picks come to mind as well.

I wonder if people would gladly buy re-released re-mastered shows with improved sound or if it would trigger push-back and endless complaints? Topic for another day perhaps....

... a grateful day to everyone! I hope all is well with everyone on this beautiful summer like day today...Sunshine, cool breeze and some Primo music playing in my backyard,
I started my choice of the day to be...
#1- ‘One From The Vault’ (August 13, 1975 at The Great American Music Hall):
Setlist/
Introduction by Bill Graham
Help On The Way
Slipknot!
Franklin's Tower
The Music Never Stopped
It Must Have Been The Roses
Eyes Of The World
Drums
King Solomon's Marbles
Stronger Than Dirt
Around and Around
Sugaree
Big River
Crazy Fingers / Drums
The Other One
Sage And Spirit
Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad
Blues For Allah
Sand Castles and Glass Camels
Unusual Occurrences In The Desert
...loved every minute of this release (remastered Version/reissue)! 🙏❤️😎

...so I decided to give the day to the Grateful Dead’s releases ‘From the Vault’ series, so I just started listening & enjoying the second release, ‘Two From The Vault’ (August 23/24, 1968 at the Shrine Auditorium, Los Angeles):
Setlist-
Good Morning, Little Schoolgirl
Dark Star
Saint Stephen
The Eleven
Death Don't Have No Mercy
The Other One
New Potato Caboose
Turn On Your Lovelight
(Walk Me Out In The) Morning Dew
Alligator
Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)
Feedback
PRIMO 🙏❤️🤠

Ten Years After - Cricklewood Green
GOGD - 12.6.71
Ween - The Mollusk
Saxon - Unplugged and Strung Up
GOGD - Warfield '80 Acoustic RSD
....I don't know if any of you lovely people heard this Morning Dew from Dead & Co last night....
https://youtu.be/6LDW9NyEriI
Methinks Garcia would be proud....

Grateful Dead Live at Paramount Theatre on 1976-06-03
Grateful Dead Live at Boston Music Hall on 1976-06-09
Grateful Dead Live at Boston Music Hall on 1976-06-10
Grateful Dead Live at The Tower Theatre on 1976-06-22
Grateful Dead Live at The Tower Theatre on 1976-06-24

....my wife wants your #.

That aggravates me2. I would gladly buy some remasters of E72 and early Dick's Picks. I don't think everyone would. That might be something for a 3K unit release all music edition.

Love my girl, no need to post the whole track lists for every CD you listen to, it just clutters up your post and the page. It's cool to point out a sequence of songs that you may have found extraordinary, or whatever but if we all listed all of the tracks on every release that we casually mention listen'n 2, we'd all be scrolling all day. Especially last 5. Ha. Can you imagine if last 5 were each 4 CD releases. There would be track lists for 20 CDs. Or just say hey the track list is exceptional and put a link in there to the wiki entry. Peace brother.

There are now so many great ones out there from all over the world-although I have focussed on America and Britain so far. The first Nuggets one, featuring American so called garage bands was the first one, compiled by Lenny Kaye in about 1973. The 4 cd set that is now available is brilliant-it kicks off with "I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night" by The Electric Prunes. Enough said!
The second Nuggets featured mainly British bands from the mid 60s, and there was a 3rd-I think it was called Son of Nuggets, which featured 1980s bands that were influenced by bands on the first two. I haven't got this one.

I bought the 20 cd set called Rubbles a few years back, which features British psych bands from the 60s, but this seems to have been superseded by a great series on the Grapefruit label. These are typically three cd sets- ones to look out for are "Love Poetry and Revolution", the 1967 comp "Lets Go Down and Blow Our Mind" the 1968 ""Pictures in the Sky" and from 1969 "Try a Little Sunshine". There are two heavy rock ones called "I'm a Freak Baby" and an acid folk one whose name has just escaped me. The sound quality on these is great, from what I have heard-I haven't got them all.

Its not all great-despite its alluring title and cute cover, "Chocolate Soup for Diabetics" sounds terrible- I wouldn't go for that one again! There are many more I could recommend-but maybe that's enough for a post that doesn't mention The Dead once.

Pat Martino - El Hombre
Grateful Dead - 10/20/68 Greek Theater (30 Trips)
Various Artists - Apocalypse Now Soundtrack
Dead & Co. - Playin' In The Sand 2/15/18
Angelo Badalamenti - Lost Highway Soundtrack

Some of you may know that Mickey Hart helped produce the original score for Apocalypse Now. The soundtrack as it exists is incredible... Martin Sheen's voice overs interspersed with original score music as well as pop tunes by The Doors, etc.

Here's what Mickey has to say about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3vL8jkuHs8

This is one dark, strange trip and a fantastic listen. Check it out.

\m/

Someone mentioned Phil not sounding good on a later Box of Rain, maybe from the '90s. He sounds good enough on these 1973 performances from the Pacific Northwest boxed set. I have the 6/24/73 show on ATM and I would say the only issue with his vocal is it sounds like he keeps moving too close and then too far from the mic. That's a nice song, and a treat for fans in those days I would think.

....I caught three I think. Hook, line and sinker.

....this corner of the multiverse serves me well.

Not for everyone

But those us who do "get it"...

:)))

Allman Bros. 12-31-1973 Cow Palace
Stevie Wonder 1-31-1974 Rainbow Theatre~London
Diga Rhythm Band 5-30-1975 Golden Gate Park~San Francisco
GD 11-29-1980 WHAT ABOUT GAINESVILLE???
and in the spirit of keeping up with anniversary shows...
GD 6-2-1995 Shoreline
Whibble (S.C.I.) 6-2-2016 The Caribou Room~Nederland,Co.
:O)

....tbh, the 6.2 Bucket rocks. It was the last Bucket I listened to. Shoreline '95. Something told me that I had to go.
....Ride, ride, ride. At least I'm enjoying the ride.
The Althea that follows has that slinky '94-'95 vibe for sure. I get it that it's not for everyone, but the magic is present. Trippy? Yessir....

😄😶😐😄
The Final Hurrah.
Thank you, for a real good time.
I'm going for it. Haven't listened to these shows for quite a while. Time to suck it up and dive in.

....we were ten feet back from the lawn rail at this one. Phil side.

....there are worse. Then Stagger Lee! Redeemed! Bear w/ me folks. I mean, he packs a .45!!

Tbh. I don't remember that.
A song that doesn't know what it is. Flamenco? Jazz? Pop Rock?
....
Vince sounds good though.

....break out the funk!
It pulls you in. jrf68 gets it. 1995 has its moments. The CC > Rider segue here is a prime example. Who'd A Thunk It?

....I remember wanting salsa and chips after this show.

....this show actually has some legs people! Others look for fights.

.

....we all get it. The Pulse. The Hartbeat. The Void.

....of Rain. 😁

....just one more time.

....hasn't got a name just yet.

....to end the set. Liberty encore. G'nite.

Grateful Dead 6-14-76 Beacon Theater NYC Soundcheck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wdIdqWju2M

Thanks for the info on Europe '72 Complete. That really surprised me. I assumed there was a technical problem since he is present for some of the shows. I assumed they just took the original LP performances from the shows where you can hear him. To hear that the problem was limited production time is very disappointing. Did I understand you correctly that they addressed this on the website here? I was not really tuned in to the Grateful Dead as regularly then as I am now and did not buy the steamer trunk. To be honest I thought the whole thing was ludicrous, 22 shows of basically the same material. For me it came down to whether or not I wanted to spend $450 for a dozen Dark Stars and Other Ones. Then a few years ago the individual shows were discounted 25% and I picked up a few. Then a few more. LOL, and how foolish I felt for having passed up all of this great nuanced Grateful Dead music when they were at the peak of their powers. I did not notice the piano until a few weeks ago when I also started to listen to the shows on their anniversary dates.

Vguy you are a warrior. '95!

The guitar player, Billy, lives in my neighborhood, and is a buddy of mine! Incredibly nice guy, and yes, loves him some Jimmy Page!

Ahh... sadly, I could not pull the trigger on Boxzilla. Glad that it made it tho! It's a great show :)

Peace

...greetings my fellow brothers & sister on this grateful Monday. This morning I started my listen’n With the ‘Download Series Volume 1.’
The first in a series of digital download albums by the Grateful Dead. The album features the complete show from April 30, 1977, which was the second of a five night run at New York City's Palladium. In addition, in order to fill out the third disc, bonus material is included from the previous night at the same location. I love Norman’s magical mix for this release along with anther Primo Audio recording by Betty! I always thought that the Five Running performances at the NY Palladium would make a grateful Box Set, even though we have many releases from 77’ I love this performance.
Also someone brought up the statement of releasing past releases with upgraded audio. I would gratefully purchase certain, not all, upgraded releases...
I would love to see All the Download series be released available on a CD format. Some great, Primo, shows in that series! All together I believe they only released 12 in the series. I love the Grateful Dead’s 1979 performances and recordings.
Take care everyone and remember to Smile Smile Smile, peace be with you all, god bless.
🙏❤️😎🤠
PS/ great posts VGuy72, Keithfan and jimMD!!!
As always, you guys make me smile with your daily posts. Thank you for sharing. I love this place/board as well. A beautiful group of brothers & sisters, both humble & Grateful about the band and the fans!
Cioa’, rock On ! 🙏🤠

....I think you forgot/skipped right over one of the best of that bunch - June 11, 1976.

I assume it was either a typo or a temporary moment of insanity. Don't miss out, this is one of my all-time favorites especially the second set:

https://archive.org/details/gd1976-06-11.141702.sbd.miller.flac1644

IMHO, one can never get too much of this stuff.

Seventy-Sixtus

Dead.net did not address this, it came up in several conversations / posts here. A few listeners, much like yourself, noticed inconsistency in the mix and shows where the piano was either buried or hard to hear at all. It's come up several times over the last seven years.

I think the shows sound great, but then you notice Keith is low in the mix - sometimes very low. OneMan was the first to really hammer the point in relation to the E72 box. Then.. if memory serves a couple years ago.. Guss West reached out to Jeffrey Norman and convinced him to make a few guest appearances on one of these threads. Sort of a question and answer type thing and that specific question was asked. There was not a direct answer to the question, but he did indicate he would love to revisit some of these shows knowing what he knows now and utilizing some of the new approaches (Plangent Processing being among them). So this issue was addressed, but not directly answered. It was left for us to interpret his statements.

I took some liberties reading between the lines that with E72 in particular, knowing the volume of work was high and the turnaround tight.. and his response that he would love to revisit and remix some of these shows that volume vs. time impacted some of the mixes. I honestly believe if they came out in smaller batches or if more time was given for the his work we would have seen some better mixes. When I look back at my own work, especially when it's complicated, it could almost always benefit from some revision.. don't take this to be a slam on Jeffrey's work, I in fact think he does a great job.

I hope this doesn't come across as too big a complaint, they still sound great and are one of the joys in my collection.. But there.. I said what I think happened based on the mix and all those conversations that have taken place over the years. Look at this as a soft analysis on one of the best offerings we are likely to ever get from the band.

On a related note, I would really like to see some of the early releases remastered and re-released.. especially some of those partial show compilations or shows where I have to think would sound better if Jeffrey revisited them. He really has gotten better in recent years. One can hope.., right?

...last five on Vinyl...
#1- Bob Dylan ‘Desire’
#2- Traffic ‘Last Exit’
#3- Free ‘Best Of Free’ *(69’-72’ selections)
#4- Rod Stewart ‘Sing It Again Rod’
#5- Eric Clapton/Jeff Beck/Jimmy Page -
‘Guitar Boogie’
✌️❤️😎 ...Let the Music Play! Rock on!

Those shows were just what I had on a flash drive of audience sources in mp3 just for in the car.

I must have thought the aud. for the 11th didn't sound that good so
i didn't DL that one. I will listen to that one in sbd uncompressed on the big system at home.

Hooked on Other Ones now. I'd put this one in my top ten list, starting today: Dick's Picks 28 (2nd Show). This was the Salt Lake City concert. There's a fantastic Disc 4 sequence: Truckin' => The Other One => Eyes Of The World => Morning Dew. It's all top-shelf, but The Other one is on the secret shelf above the top shelf; you know, the horizontal mirror that runs across the top front, but opens up like the hidden book compartment in the 30 Trips Around The Sun Box. Miss it at your own peril.

Yeah, I remember when Norman was on here. Was kind of surprised he showed up, but I think he was trying to figure out what it was we were all hearing in the recent releases that we thought sounded so good. It was right after (I believe) Dave's 17 came out, and a lot of us were raving about what we perceived as some significantly improved sound quality coming out of the most recent releases. You never know where the tape quality ends and the Engineer's skills and tools begin, but I'm convinced that the older tapes are sounding better than ever. Would love to have DP 7 and DP 31 remastered and sounding like the three shows from the Pacific Northwest Box Set.