Dave’s Picks Volume 34: Jai Alai Fronton, Miami, FL 6/23/74

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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May 19, 2020 - 11:31am

#1241

Oroborous

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What ever the reason...

if it turns out to be a mass defect and not just a few unfortunate individual cases, then it’s BS and they should at least investigate if not replace the discs like Jim said. What do they do now when you have a bad disc? ala PNW etc... I believe folks said they would just send discs?
Fortunately I’ve never had a big problem (perhaps 2 or 3 skips out of hundreds of discs) but I have had some discs that were hard to rip. I have excellent Exact Audio copy ripping SW and never have problems with other manufacturers discs. The 30 Trips music only addition took forever to rip some discs (not because of scratches or other physical anomaly’s). If not for the EAC I probably wouldn’t have been able to rip some at all! Interestingly, these problems have only been with more current rhino releases, NEVER any of my pre rhino Dead releases...
Back in 86, like Vguy, Sargent Peppers was the second CD I ever bought and though often the master tape used, the digital conversion and mastering on many early discs is lackluster, but at least every single disc from way back then still plays fine. So why then are these relative new discs bad, and why even today, does rhino have so many problems and defects?
Yes Charlie you have a valid point IF the problems were rare, and if the sample sizes were small, but that hasn’t seemed to be the case. It just doesn’t seem like such widespread, repeating issues anywhere else? Maybe the fault rates aren’t that unusual and it’s just because we’re all so vigilant and vocal here, thus we think it’s a bigger problem then normal?
All I know is these rhino releases are pretty much the only discs I’ve had problems with since 1986 when I bought my first CD player...truly hope this is just another small sample and not a systemic problem or things are going to get weird around here....
May 19, 2020 - 11:11am

#1242

billy the kid

Joined:
December 3, 2019

Charlie3

All my cds were acquired by subscription through deadnet. They were all stored in the same box and it seems like it is only the first 4 Dave s Picks that are a problem. I played Dave s Picks 5 and it is fine, thank goodness, Dave s 5 was stored right next to the first 4.
May 19, 2020 - 11:09am

#1243

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Disappearing ink

That’s what Rhino used to ‘write’ these CD’s.

It should come as no surprise that some of the CD’s are bad. Pretty much every release has defective discs that have to be replaced. Some were probably slightly defective but got worse with handling/storage conditions.

But don’t panic too much yet. Take a CD that now appears defective and make a copy to a HD, then listen to the files. They might be OK.
I have had it both ways with Rhino CD’s, for example, last year I bought RT Fall 77 when someone pointed out that it was being sold with the bonus disc. All the CD’s played fine on my Onkyo CD player, but were defective when I made copies on my HD. But, each copy on the HD was defective in different places. I used 2 computers and 2 different CD burners to make a total of 7 copies on a HD. I was then able to piece together a complete RT (actually broke up the tracks by date) using the 7 copies, which had defects in different places.

6-17-76 CD3, notorious for Rhino having to redo the CD twice. My CD3 that had skips and static when played on my Onkyo CD player ripped flawlessly to a HD on the first try.

Skull Fuck - Golden Road Box, plays fine on my Onkyo but I could never get a good copy on a HD, it always had skips and static.

I’ll check my DaP’s this weekend to see if they have degraded (I’m back at work this week which is good, but now I don’t get to listen to as much GOGD during the day as I did over the last 2 months).
May 19, 2020 - 11:03am

#1244

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

DaP 2012 storage

I have a grand piano and guitars. My home is kept between 45-55% humidity all year and the temp. is kept constant between 64 and 72 degrees.

I purchased all of the discs through Dead.net and am the original owner of all the discs. My DaP discs are kept in their original cases and the amount of play over the life of each disc is less than 30-40 hours on each disc.
May 19, 2020 - 10:52am

#1245

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Jim

Yeah, absolutely a mess and a bummer. Given that not all of these 2012 DaP discs seem to have failed, I'm just curious about the storage and handling conditions for the discs that have failed and if they were acquired directly through deadnet or had passed through a few hands on the secondary market. It could very well turn out that deadnet or Rhino made some questionable choices but I haven't seen anything to indicate that at this point, so I'm just reserving judgment on blame. Definitely the stuff of nightmares for an OCD CD collector.
May 19, 2020 - 10:43am

#1246

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

I Hear That

I hear that Charlie.. not saying this was a purposeful act, in fact I suspect Rhino might not have even pulled the trigger. I haven't had the time to check my discs yet.. but if all this is true, it is a bit of a mess.

I look at it more like that bad batch of PVC piping that had to be replaced in everyone's homes or the decade or so the sheetrock from China was subpar.
May 19, 2020 - 10:40am

#1247

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

DaP 2 Update

Not playing at all :-(

My next step after getting through 3 and 4 will be to move on to other players. I should stop reporting now unless others begin to report issues. I have everything digitized but I would love replacement discs! I would not need any packaging! How many think that could really happen?

Worse things in the world, but...

Moving on to 3.
May 19, 2020 - 10:29am

#1248

Charlie3

Joined:
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Wow...

...I think of myself as pretty cynical but I'm not seeing the reported disc degradation as evidence of some deadnet/Rhino plot to scam us out of our money for an inferior product. Is it possible some of these discs were stored in poor conditions? Is it possible that even a reliable manufacturer has unforeseen problems leading to failure of the product 8 years later? Is it possible deadnet/Rhino did not just find the cheapest fly-by-night outfit they could find to manufacture these discs? Do they deserve any benefit of the doubt? If I'm ever on trial accused of a crime, I hope you guys aren't on the jury.
May 19, 2020 - 10:01am

#1249

unkle sam

Joined:
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bad discs

This is hard to swallow, what can be done about this? I have every one of these Dave's discs and have never opened them, now what, will they play? will they rot? will the sun shine on my back door someday? I have purchased every box set since the europe 72 box and I think I will put them all up on ebay now. what to do about these Dave's? I think I too have bought my last Dave's subscription, what a shame I do love the Grateful Dead so. Funny, I have disc's I purchased in the early 90's that still look and play great, why have these gone bad in just 8 years? Sounds like an investigation is warranted, can we all get a refund for these discs? can anyone who works here or at rhino check on that for us please. Hey Dave, will you address this, they have your name on them, if I was in this position, I would demand an investigation as to why the greatest music ever made has been put on inferior media. Wow, this is real bad for Rhino and Dead net.
I was right all along, Rhino is a lousy music company. I am done with Rhino. Greed rules again. I guess the only way to keep getting new Dead music is to get a copy from a friend, rip it right away and give it back, that way you get the great music we all love and don't get ripped off in the process. It just doesn't make since, spend all that time to remaster all these releases and then put them on subpar media, who's stupid idea was that? some suit who works at rhino and can only see $ signs? I guess we can all just buy vinyl, or has Rhino put all of that music on faulty media too? Who knows, we might never know but one thing is for sure, Rhino and Dead net just lost a buttload of trust and probably more than one customer. First Trump, then Corona, now Grateful Dead music on shitty discs, the world is truly coming to an end. Oh wait that caveat emptor thing might cover their asses on Dicks picks, is that same caveat emptor on Dave's as well? Don't recall seeing that on any of those.
May 19, 2020 - 9:54am

#1250

JimInMD

Joined:
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Not Saying They Will

..but They could replace just the discs and not the packaging without breaking the bank.

They could even finance it with a special ala cart release like Nightfall of Diamonds. Think of the goodwill that would produce, and in the end it's the right thing to do.

Three comments:
- They could replace just the discs.
- How much was saved by switching to whatever production decision was made to get lesser quality blanks.
- I suspect this was outsourced and the decision to go cheap was made by whoever they outsourced it to.

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

Nappy/Bear’s Sonic Journals

NAPPYRAGS, so happy to hear your good news!! There’s so much cancer going on in my tiny circle of friends, it’s frightening. I’ve lost 1, another has months to live, and a 3rd is doing well. I love to hear good news!!
Also, thanks for the hot tip on Bear’s Sonic Journals. I’m on it!!
Lastly, I was going through and playing some Janis Joplin cds recently, and was quite surprised to see that the 1968 Carousel Ballroom show released in 2012 states at the top: Bear’s Sonic Journals Presents....so that’s yet ANOTHER B’s SJ to collect. It also comes with rather strange instructions on speaker placement to enhance your listening pleasure. Crappy cover art, but a nice photo in the gatefold.
Less than 48 hours to go, my skin’s getting clammy & I feel nauseous......

Sorry Billy but

I forgot to mention the Cody releases on the 24th of this month...

Nappy Rags/ Comander Cody

I bought two copies, one for me and one for my brother. July 24th is right around the corner, lots of great music coming soon, two Garcia# 14s , two WMD next week, and a Dave's Pick from 9/20/70 or 10/9/82 on August 1st. What a great time!

Cowbell = Dark Star

The Christopher Walken cowbell skit from SNL. Replace cowbell with Dark Star and that's where I'm at. I got a FEVER. And the only cure is more Dark Star. 8/30/69.

Nappy rags-congratulations !

You mentioning your scan reminds me of one I had done about 12 years ago. It was amazing looking on the screen - I never knew it, but it seems I have a psychedelic light show inside my body. And there was me thinking it was all in my mind.
Talking of cellos, 50 years after the event I got round to buying Mick Farren's "Mona (The Carnivorous Circus) last week. You wouldn't think a cello solo would fit on a version of Bo Diddley's Mona-and it doesn't! Sergeant Pepper had a lot to answer for. Still, its different, I'll give it that.

25 years ago today...

Long live the Grateful Dead

* New & more Grateful Dead!

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Hosts Rich Mahan and Jesse Jarnow will take the lead, picking up special guests from the Dead universe along the way. Upcoming episodes will feature interviews with Dennis McNally, David Lemieux, David Nelson, Bill “Grateful Red” Walton and Trixie Garcia, amongst many others.
To celebrate the 50th anniversary of WORKINGMAN'S DEAD, we're kicking things off with an eight-episode arch that examines each song on the album individually.
May the long strange trip continue across the pod!

*** Nappy Rags-…

*** Nappy Rags-“Congratulations !” Always grateful to hear grateful news! Peace be with you my brother, have a grateful day filled with lot’s of Love & Laughter! God bless my man!
🙏❤️💀🌹

Nappyrags

Great, great news! You must of been freaking out waiting....had similar situation with the misses a couple years ago. In her case we wouldn’t know anything until after surgery, and then wait for lab results, which they weren’t sure about, so then on to mayo or other advanced labs......finally all was good, but my god I thought the poor gal was gonna croak just from the stress of waiting! I can’t imagine how difficult that must be?
Rock on brother, and enjoy those awesome new tunes!

25 years ago today...

IWT! Long live the GD! :-)

Liking this podcast dead.net....

....thanks. Grate news nappyrags!!! Good news these days is nice to hear. 25 years ago, the bus ran out of gas. Thank you Jerry.

Great news, Nappy!

But not good about Morricone. I think I have a disc of John Zorn playing the music of Morricone; I'll have to dig that out . . .

Finally got to the second half of 5/19/74 on a road trip this week. Wow. I had been underwhelmed by the non-Vancouver 1973 shows in that box, and was not thrilled by the 5/17/74 show or the terrible-sounding first disc of Portland, but the last two discs of Portland are very special, as all of you knew long ago . . . I already know about the 5/21/74 Playin'. That was the first show from the box I listened to, on its anniversary after the box came out.

Jim--no shame on the Workingman's axe! I just received my Garcia jigsaw puzzle. :)

WTJ & KCJ

WTJ: yassss, sad but true..say my last Garcia show 25 years ago today....😞

Hey, thanks for the McCoy Tyner tips. Ripped Inception/Reaching Forth, Tender Moments, The Real Mccoy, and Sahara yesterday, great stuff! Going to add one with Stanley Clark and Al Foster today...can’t believe I didn’t have any of him yet. Thanks for the tips!

KCJ: please check your PMs

Great News Nappy!

Congrats...Keep on truckin’ dude!!!

Jim and Billy

Thanks, cool you were there Billy. I'll have to check out Dicks Picks #5 Jim.

Hey OROBOROUS!!!!

Check out 1972's "Extensions" by McCoy Tyner....amazing, and one of my fave LP covers to boot....the band is kinda good too...

Alice Coltrane _ Harp
Wayne Shorter_Tenor Sax
Gary Bartz_Soprano & Alto Sax
Ron Carter_Bass
Elvin Jones_Drums

The band is kinda good too

Lol, yeah, that’s a hell of a line up! Thanks for the tip. I’ll have to snag it next go round.

China Cat Sunflower/I Know You Rider. 12/28/83. S.F.Civic

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NgjtIHDke9w Big fun! The Dead were rocking.

* podcast , Im lov’n it to the bones! 💀🌹

*June 25, 2020 - 3:26pm#207
LOVEMYGIRL
RE/ News
... I’ve been told to expect some news very shortly that will make ALL types of Grateful Dead fans, I promise you that! A magnitude
Of humanity back in business on both sides. Prepare for special treat my friends !
(This was the big news too. ) have a grateful day everyone! Be safe be kind & be grateful, we are the most spoiled fans in the world Dig it, far out! Keep on trucking all you Grateful Dead fans & freaks! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Dave’s 35

Just got the email that Dave’s 35 is going to be 4/20/84 at Philadelphia Civic Center. I thought Lovemygirl said it was going to be 6/20/80.

DaP 35

It’s not Alaska

1984--Nice!

I was hoping for an 80s or 90s show. Someone here the other day mentioned how much she/he likes this "Holiday" show from 1984.

4/20/84

Thank goodness for Dave's Picks. This announcement is some much needed good news in these times.

4/20 no doubt.

Alaska

Those shows deserve their own box. There's also that Gainesville show that pops up in discussion.

As big of a fan of Brent and that era, I'm happy with anything that comes out. I have nothing but time on my hands and looks to be the case through the foreseeable future.

#35 Yeah

I like the setlist. My copy is so so. I HAVE to believe an "official" copy will be better. I like the cover. Thought this be one me and mine were at, but we appeared to have got east and north this tour. Long Island and Rhode Island. Guess we took and Island tour that year.

Re: 4/20/84

What a surprise, this 1984 show has been on my radar for many many decades. There's a fantastic epic Scarlet > Fire, I used to have an audience version of this show and man The Crowd Goes absolutely berserk during that sequence. Very happy to have some more 1984 Dead.

Hope everyone is well.
Sixtus

Dave's 35

They must be saving 7/13/84 for a box set.

Oh well...DaP # 35

I'm a bit under whelmed by this show...we shall see...

In the corner stands a boxer . . .

From the Wikipedia page for the Philadelphia Civic Center:
"The Championship fight scene for Tommy 'the machine' Gun played by real life boxer Tommy Morrison for the 1990 movie Rocky V was shot there."

I think I've seen only the first Rocky film . . .

DaP 35!

Hey All! So I have been doing a trip into the summer of 1985 so this release slightly, I mean ever so slightly, disappointed me on the choice. Again this is only because I have been going through (and loving) the summer 85 tour so I had this hope that one of those shows may get to see the light of day for #35. Despite that, my disappointment is miniscule in comparison to my excitement. I am really looking forward to hearing this one. I am sure it will offer up some great jams.

I checked out the setlist for 4/20/84 over at Deadlists real quick and it looks pretty good. I am sure the playing is top notch. I can't help but express how much I like this variety of years/eras in the releases and such. Between the 1976 box set, the 3 Dave's Picks, the 2/21/71 show on Workingman's and then all of the later era great shows from the Shakedown stream there is so much goodness in all of this. Definitely, this goodness is needed now more than ever for a lot folks.

Plus it's crazy to think that we still have the 50th reissue of American Beauty, DaP 36, 30 Days of Dead and possibly another box all on the way. I thankful for all of this. Hats off to Dave L. and the crew !

Dave's 35

My 5th birthday! I was not one of those toddlers fortunate enough to have parents hip enough to bring me to a dead show. That would have been a cool 5th birthday present. Instead I probably got a He-Man or something. But i digress.

There's at least one good aud of this on the archive. How cool would it be if they did a matrix with the healy tapes and a good aud? The sound quality has been the main thing holding shows from this period back and it'd be nice to see them get creative with some sources, Dave's Pick #8 style.

4/20/84

Dooooaaaahhh, was at the 16 & 17th so missed it by that much! Have a tape of 4/21 but guessing since I don’t recall it I mighta been underwhelmed? But that’s the 21, sounds like the 20th is hot?

DAVES=Multiple years, for good or for I’ll, I also have appreciated the effort to mix it up and cover more years with Dave’s. If only we could get 1/60s, 1/70s, 1/80s, and a 90s a year. But don’t see that happening...
Hopefully at least 1 80s or 90s a year. I think it’s doable and fair.

EDIT: Matrix,...what Slow dog said!

Yahoo!!!

Excellent choice, Dave!!!

Doubters, doubt not. This is a gooooood choice.

I promoted it recently on this here site. Coincidence? Hmmm...

DaP 35

I was there on 20 April 1984 in the old Philly Civic Center and saw the Grateful Dead. All of 27 years of age, I don't remember too much of the show, but the audience tapes I have sound quite well, but somewhat obscures this fine performance.
Great Dew!

Also

The first Dave's picks versions of:

My Brother Esau
I Need A Miracle
Keep Your Day Job

I know how pumped everyone is for the first Dave Picks Era Day Job.

Where's Bolo24?

I have not been following the comments of the releases here on dead.net for a while. Just reading through these recent comments on this Dave's Picks 34, I have not seen anything from our friend, Bolo24? About when was the last time he (or she) posted?
Anybody ever meet up with Bolo24 beyond the dead.net messaging system? He generally used to give us some odd clues about what he thought the next release is or could be.
So where is Bolo24?

Keep Your Day Job

My favorite song. Yeah, sure. My favorite, totally pumped for this one.

Day Job

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I think Day Job is a really cool tune, I dig it!

I thought it was going to be 4/21...

...78. Totally capitalizing on the holiday here. Anyone do track timings? Any chance for filler? I hope they do something special (Matrix maybe?) Fingers crossed. Definitely a bold choice...

Slow Dog Noodle # 1 sense of humor

Slow Dog, you crack me up, you are really funny, what a great sense of humor! I' m still laughing about your story about dipping your whole body in hand sanitizer. Keep it comming, it's fantastic!

By the power of Gray Skull

He-Man!

Keep your day job till your night job pays...

I too like "Day Job"...lyrics are fun ....what I wasn't a big fan of was the use of "Don't Ease Me In" either as a 1st Set closer or encore...always thought it was kind of flat with no real oomph in the playing, nothing special...

Day Job & Ease Me

My touring partner used to called the blow job and don't sleaze me in. He wasn't a big fan :-)

At least kydj and demi are short-n-fast tunes

Unlike LLR....

- Snarky the Sailor

And...

Wasnt demi one of their first singles?

"Demi Moore
back in the day
mighty nice
hey hey hey"

- Lil CPAP

Look! Here comes Professor Vasdeferenz...

"Don't Ease Me In vass der firsht GD sinkle back in 1966"

Thank you, Professor.

Alaska

Ha.. false prophet my ass!

Taping Compendium on 4-20-84

Anyone who wants to get a preview of what our fearless leader Dave L. will be probably be saying next Thursday check out the Taping Compendium. Tom Ferraro has some pretty interesting verbiage on his take of 4/20/84 . Although I am very interested in firing up this show I think I will wait the few weeks for it to come out. I have a feeling we are going to be told not to get caught up in the setlist but for an "84 show" they were firing on all cylinders. We shall see.

On another note someone posted this HILARIOUS video montage of The Music Never Stopped and it was one of those days I needed a good laugh so if you are having one of those days here ya go....God I miss Jack Tripper
https://youtu.be/RHf6tiFkr2s

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