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    nicksabout i no doubt saw you there the photo was taken there by CJ Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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    Lily is the daughter of one Keith Allen, famous here in the uk for his work in alternative comedy in the 80s. TV shows The Young Ones and Comic Strip perhaps the most famous. I saw him at Glastonbury giving hippies a hard time for making such a mess. He challenged conceptions. He is one of the good guys.I'm here in Kidderminster, rural worcestershire. recent visit to NY to see Phil and Friends was memorable. we saw the last night. so awesome. listen to the soundboard available from philzone. 11/11/07. third set was the best i ever did see. I meet every month with a bunch of guys locally to listen to the dead and chat. we all did a summer of love party last july in kent. 200+ like minded people for a wonderful, music filled, day.
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    Is Alex Allen perhaps any relation to Lily Allen? Just had to say that! :-)********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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    I feel like I've 'come home' after decades in the wilderness. It's too late for a proper introduction now, but you'll be hearing more from me tomorrow!
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    DEAD FREAKS UNITE Who are you? Where are you? How are you?
    Hello to anyone who reads this and also anyone who doesn't. Any deadheads in Vienna (that's Austria, and not in the U.S. as there is apparently a place of the same name there as well, somewhere)? After reading through what people said, it seems this part of the continent is quite poor on deadheads. I hope I'm wrong. By the bye, have a great day (or night)! -M.
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Hey everybody,on the last two STASH radio shows in Hamburg, Germany I presented some tracks from the Grateful Dead (The Grateful Dead RT1.3 > Egypt 78 > RT1.4) and wonderful sounds from the Swiss psychedelic blues-rock jamband Ginger (with FOTM Jam and other studio improvisations). You can listen to the German spoken radio shows here: http://www.stash-radio.de/archiv.htm And what else is going on in Germany? NYE - yeah. For example in Hamburg with the Hamburg-based GD tribute band Cosmic Finger or in Nuernberg with Dead Again or in Wolfsbehringen with Ginger... Catch ya, Frank --- www.stash-radio.de
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...also, Ihr Lieben; warum hat sich noch niemand dazu durchgerungen, mal einen Post in Deutsch einzustellen??? Wir hören die Band seit 1977, erster Live-Kontakt war (natürlich) der Rockpalast 1981. Nach laaanger Durststrecke dann endlich wieder live 1990 in Essen und Berlin... ich werde nie vergessen, wie das Dach von dem alten, häßlichen ICC bei Sugar Mags drohte abzuheben... meine Ex-Frau hat sich sich damals gefragt, was da eigentlich los ist... sie hat's nie kapiert - war wohl auch besser so. Alles nach 1995 kann ich kaum ertragen; die Other Ones Live-DoCD steht immer noch im Regal, nach wenigen Tracks flog das Ding raus wegen dem dicken Kloß im Hals und ist nie wieder aufgelegt worden... datt isset einfach nit. Heul! Umso schöner, wenn man alle Jubeljahre mal hierzulande einen Menschen mit einem Pin an der Jacke oder einem Dead-Bumpersticker am Auto sieht...! Grüße an alle im Deadhead-Land Steffi und Jochen
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Tell me more please about Dead Again in Nürnberg. Will be there in Feb. and had no idea was such a band in that area. Wanna look whether would be lucky enough to be able to hear them.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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Hi TigerLilly,Dead Again is a Nürnberg-based GD cover band. They just had their 4th band birthday but I've never seen them live. Here you get some informations from and about them: http://www.myspace.com/gratefuldeadagain http://www.dead-again.de/ Pegnitzbühne is a famous club under deadheads in Nürnberg: http://www.pegnitzbuehne.de/ http://www.myspace.com/428527371 Another very interesting band down there are the Mars Mushrooms: http://www.marsmushrooms.de/ http://www.myspace.com/marsmushrooms I love their sound! Not very often on stage these days because their bass player is in the States right now (http://choffmann.wordpress.com/) but I'll play some cool MM jams in my next STASH show on 9 Dec (together with Phish Hedphones Jam, Ginger, Captain Obvious, Dark Star Orchestra and Gary Gates). Many greetings from Hamburg, Frank --- www.stash-radio.de
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I'm originally from New Jersey, been living in Florida for the past few years and am moving to London in a few weeks. I see a few of you here are in that area, I was afraid I'd never meet anyone with my tastes...I hope that there's a hidden underground of hippies over there!
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No offense to anyone, but I can't believe some people in the U.S. complaining about an 8 hour drive to get to a Dead show etc... what about those of us overseas? Man, I used to hitch across the U.S.A. to see the Dead, with NO money in my pocket. I always found a way! I even traveled all the way from the south of New Zealand once JUST to get to do Spring Tour (surely a Deadhead record) arriving around midnight the night before with no idea of where I'd stay, just heading to the lot and seeing what happened. I've even had to be in the States illegally to see shows as I got deported years ago for swinging on the lot. This is what being Deadicated really means! I'm happy for everyone in the U.S., but my heart is breaking at the same time. I don't think I can handle the stress of going into the States illegally again to see the boys even though I know I'd see a lot of old friends. My best friends, the best u could ever wish for. My family. But with the way the U.S. is like a police state these days the chances of getting caught and put in jail for a year or two just for entering illegally is probably too much for me. Bob, Phil, Bill and Mickey... Please come to Europe... PLEASE, PLEASE everyone, post asking the guys to tour Europe this year!!! If we all kick up a fuss maybe we could get lucky and see them one more time... this could be our last chance..! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Are you kind?"
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a grateful greeting to the great news that just landed in my inbox. Working hard to be there in the square on my birthday. love to all around the world
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a visit would be much appreciated, have not seen the band since 1990 tour Bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Spanish Jam
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That would be Grateful, Have not seen the band since 1979 in London with their fabulous Wall Of Sound. A tour would be a good antidote for a America who is in war with so many world citizens and a Europe who is following the same path. It would be a miracle every day... come on Uncle Johns Band give us a brake on the land. So happy to have my daily dose of your unique music and after almost 38 years still discovering new material... What a long strange trip...
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I wonder what the band's requirement would be to come over and do some shows? Would they prefer to have promoters in Europe handling things, or Americans. Also, how the money side would be handled. When Bob played up in Scandinavia recently I get the feeling he was offered a stack of cash by some rich guy. If money is the issue it would be interesting to know how much they would hope to gross. It's a difficult calculation to estimate what size venues they could fill without Jerry. What do the rest of u guys and gals think? Paradiso (Amsterdam) sized venues? Fabrik in Hamburg, Stash? Or bigger? Opinions please..! :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Are you kind?"
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One for the money, two for the show ... No idea what can be the real driving force for The Band to move towards Europe. Is there a way to ask them? And would they reply ? Jerry is in the music, and in our souls, so are all the members of the band... With and or without Jerry ... Daybreak on the land... It is getting WEIRD ... You always need a plan B.... There are still tickets for sale in the US ... maybe Sail or Fly over.... Any candidates ? "Sail away ship of fools" ... "So Many Roads" ... Deadheads from all over the world coming together ... in Europe to ???
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Well a lot of folks would certainly come over from the States as everyone knows how special a European Tour is and plus it would most likely be the last chance to be a part of such a historical event. I couldn't make it to any of the past European Tours due to circumstaces beyond my control. Does anyone who was on these tours know roughly how many came from the US. Did some venues have a greater percentage of Americans than others? We could do a rough calculation by comparing attendance at US shows when Jerry was around with attendance now. If we could assume the same ratio holds true in regard to Euro Tours past and now, with a slight bonus attendance based on it being probably the last Euro adding an extra incentive for possible attendees, we might have a fairly reliable guesstimate of what size venues the boys could book in Europe for a tour. Then gross earnings would be able to be estimated. Plus we could then make a list of suitable venues. Much love, J ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Are you kind?"
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Hi again friends,As soon as we got the news of the 2009 Tour of The Dead we talked about how we always say:'wish we were there'. Although it will never be the same without Jerry, it will probably be a last chance to attend a show with the four remaining band members. I could never figure out why these guys call themselves The Dead as they are the only band members who are NOT dead. Is nostalgia an excuse? OK. yes. My brother lives in Chicago and we have never visited him there. Another excuse. I decided to try to get tickets for the Chicago show. If I was luckey to get tickets and we decided afterwards that we did not want to go I could always sell the tickets on EBay, right? another excuse. Exactly on time I was ready at the computer to log on. Then all the sites became corrupt. I tried and tried. Then we got the message that due to an overload everybody was put on hold. After four hours, working on two computers with mulitle log ons, I got my tickets! Suddenly the option of selling the tickets was discarded. Not for any money! 'Yes, we come!!' We booked a flight and this time we will attend our first show ever. We will keep you informed. Anybody else going to one of the shows? Off course, if they ever come to Europe we will be there as well. Great thought: all the poeple of this group together in the first rows. Ship of Fools
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i saw them in 90 will be good to see them in 09 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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what shows?
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Will they come to Europe?Don't hold your breath.I don't see them coming over for the money,they shouldn't be short of a bob or two.It would be more of a farewell tour for their fans over here and I am not sure the incentive would be there.Having said all that I hope they do tour and I will be trying to get tickets for all the UK shows.Fingers crossed
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Seems like DeadAgain NOT playing next week, when am in Nürnberg :-( too bad, would have liked to see them********************************** It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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SD?********************************** It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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French Grateful dead tribute band and are playing Sol - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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... this is too bad. Perhaps you can meet with some of the band members? Many greetings from me. I asked them several times to send me some of their music for STASH, nobody replied yet. We had a blast last night at the concert. Cosmic Finger know how to bring the audience to move and shake their bones - everybody in the bar danced! I love that, what a good athmosphere. They are going to play at the "Playin' In The Band XI" German Deadhead Festival in Plauen, Saxony (May 21-24) and at the Summer of Love Festival in UK next year. Don't miss them when you got the chance. www.myspace.com/cosmicfinger Jodester, where are you??? Ciao, Frank --- www.stash-radio.de www.myspace.com/stash_radio
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Am going this summer Stash, and if I like it, will go again next too. Will go to that bar in Nürnberg anyhow, and see what happens. ********************************** It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
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Frank!!!!Damn, sorry I missed that show! Txt me next time and I'm there! Chatting with an ol' tour bud right now online. Hope all is well! Praying 4 the Dead to COME TO EUROPE!!! Yes We Can!!!!!!!! ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Are you kind?"
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Hi There, I've become a fan of the grateful dead since my father told me about his love for the grateful dead during the periode Jerry Garcia died. I've spend countless hours on the internet to find whatever i could find about the Grateful Dead. I did allot of reading and I listen almost every day on archive.org for some spectacular dead shows. I also lend some dvd's from the local library which i found amazing. In the meantime I've got all of dick's picks and the albums the dead brought out as well as my dvd collection where I lend the guitar of my dead, playing (amateurish) along with the songs. Later I bought a keyboard to play with the video's from the dead as I came accross a video on youtube of Death don't have no mercy featering Brent Mydland who rocks the cradle good time! There rarely goes a day by I don't listen to the dead. I guess i'm addicted. A year and a half i came across the dark star orchestra who'm performed at jaminthedam. I've bought tickets for my parents and my new girlfriend (who'm i have a child now with) also went along. I was extremely exited and drank myself a headake during the show (in combination of my singing along). It was the night of my life! Till i heard about the dead coming back together as well as performing for Barrack Obama's inaugural ball. I'm so excited to life these day's knowing that even dough I could never see Jerry anymore I could get to see the dead. So the burning question lies with: When o when will or can the Grateful Dead please perform in the Netherlands or do a europe tour? I really feel myself obligated to have seen them live while they life! I could'nt bare the thought that they were still alive and I have never seen them, but I did see DSO perform. It would give me a hart attack if i never get to see the dead in Holland. Please respond if somebody knows if they're gonna perform in Europe or how I can contact the dead to ask them this! Maybe the webdesigner could make a poll how much people would like to see the dead perform in Europe? Please take this seriously and get back to me! Greetz from Holland, Martijn Alexander Kamminga 24/7 Dead Fan
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Too bad you missed ME. I was just in the UK and then Scandanavia. I would have loved to play you something incredible . . . probably for free. However, I couldn't even get a date in those lands. It was strange.
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anyone going from europe (england) to see the dead that wants to take a buddy across? aint got no money now but i'll pay you back eventually...
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Hey all, just want to let you know about the next shows from Cosmic Finger, georgious GD tribute band from Hamburg, Germany:30 April Mayday, Hamburg, Germany 21/23 May PITB XI, Malzhaus, Plauen, Germany 30 May History of Rock Festival, Zurich, Switzerland 05 September Fehmarn Open Air, Fehmarn, Germany www.myspace.com/cosmicfinger See you here and there! Ciao, Frank --- www.stash-radio.de
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I come from the magical land of deadheadland - where the music never stops. it is the happeningest place on earth. and everybody's dancin in a ring around the sun... is deadheadland in europe? deadheadland is wherever you want it to be becuase wherever you go, there you are, and we are everywhere! and when the music plays the band just look what's in your hand strangers' stopping strangers like a wave upon the sand look for deadheadland wherever kind souls are gathered, including facebook and myspace. let's get on with the shows!
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Hey Frank and any other heads who might read this! See u at DTB tonight at Knust in Hamburg, Germany! And also tomorrow night in Berlin!!! Heads in Germany Unite!!! :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Are you kind?"
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Hey now - it's STASH radio time again!From 21 until 23 May a great festival takes place in Plauen/Germany: Playing in the Band XI. Of course I'll present the bands playing there: Cosmic Finger from Hamburg, Apache Blanket from Berlin und Mr. Morning from Sweden. Furthermore you'll get Uncle John's Friends and Captain Obvious, because they play gigs during this month in Hamburg. Tuesday, 12 May 2009 10-12 PM CET on Radio FSK: 93,0 MHz antenna / 101,4 MHz cable (Hamburg and vicinity) http://www.fsk-hh.org/livestream (Live stream in OGG format) If the broadcast times are inappropriate: Under http://www.stash-radio.de/archiv.htm you can download the latest STASH shows in mp3 format (older ones only after request). See ya, Frank ----- www.stash-radio.de www.myspace.com/stash_radio
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From Thursday until Saturday 21-23 May Playing in the Band XI in the Malzhaus (Plauen) with Cosmic Finger, Apache Blanket and Mr. Morning. More info here: http://www.germanheads.de/news.html And Uncle John's Friends: 28 May Villa im Park (Else-Rauch-Platz), Hamburg 31 May fools garden, Hamburg What a heck of a time! Frank --- www.stash-radio.de
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Our first show!We were really lucky to obtain tickets. I logged on the moment the site opened and at the same moment the site went down due to an overload of requests. Then I realized how immensely popular these guys still are. Not the several hundred people that are visible on Dead Net but many thousands more. We booked tickets for the Chicago 5/5 show. My brother lives in Chicago so we could combine a family visit with a Dead show. Two worlds apart! We went early and strolled around on the parking lot. This was what we always wished that we could be part of. So many friendly people. All the different tie dye shirts. The mounting anticipation as the show got nearer. We spoke to many beautiful people. They all reacted surprised as they heard that we came from Holland to attend the show. See my photo's in the section Tour Images. Everybody told us that the shows were awesome and that the band got better with every show. We had good seats in the balcony where we could see over the entire crowd. The downside was that we could not see the performers very well. I missed big screens. The sound was loud and clear but for the voices. Where we sat the words could not be understood. The entire show was terrific. There was a good light show. The set list was great. The audience was fantastic. Everybody was dancing. They sang along with most songs so that the singer sometimes sang close harmony with the audience. They cheered the band as the jams were developing. Great music. When we left the stadium we had attended a wonderful concert. I have ordered the downloads of this show so that we can hear it again and again. We did not expect this show to be like the ones that we have on cd's and dvd's. The band is just not the same. We went for the audience experience. This time we were part of that. For us this was a dream come true. Ship of Fools
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Got really excited there for a mo... i'm a expat chicagoean living in the UK and saw that there seems to be some news about a european tour (including 9 dates in the UK). Unfortunately, when going through the tours by venue section.. United Kingdom.. London.. it loads.. uh.. nothing.. anyone know about UK tour dates? toddmonster
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i doubt they would play 11 dates in UK, they never have before - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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where are you seeing this? For the sake of all the UK Heads, hope it's true, but I've heard nothing.
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The strand is on this site! Follow the links: Shows and lyrics and then venues by location... you see a whole host of locations: US, UK, Netherlands, France, Jamaica... etc.. not sure how good this thing works.. even when you select venues in the US, you get the whole host of Alaska, Illinois, etc... but when selecting them, they go..uh... nowhere.. again... so, either someone has set this up with an intention of populating (and hasn't) or it's just a mistake... have a look.. just to prove i'm not going crazy.
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maybe this is just some form of tally which suggests the number of venues that are possible for the dead to play - but i do sincerely doubt that there are only 9 venues in the UK where they could play (and one is not even the NEC). It would be great if they did play here.. last time i saw them was Chicago 92 or 93... of course that was pre-Jerry demise... wierdly enough, i just stumbled across a copy of High Times that i bought which featured Jerry following the news... oh the memories...
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those are the venues where they HAVE played. I'll go see if it's acting weird, but I don't think in this case the past is a predictor of the future. Dang.
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hmmm A Euro tour would be most cool. I agree with Bob, no way they would do 11 shows in the UK. but, an 11 show Euro tour... (licking my lips) London, Wembley, Copenhagen, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Frankfort, Hamburg, Paris, Barcelona, Rome, Prague.... at this stage in their lives, i think it is a matter of "where do we want to go and play" type of thinking for the band. I think the only rumours of a Europe tour I've heard recently, were the ones I started a few years back. here's hoping!!! ( -; peace.
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Just the thought of those locations! what a hoot to see the Dead in some of the greatest cities in Europe. I can just picture it: headed off for a week's holiday in Barcelona - my wife's favourite european city.. like, ever.. ok, that and Geneva.. and i quite like Prague, and Amersterdam for that matter, but i digress... How cool would it be to take a great holiday, in a great city and see the the Dead play??!! I think someone in the Dead promotional/booking department needs to remind them that there's a whole world out there and they could have a great time playing a more "intimate" gig in some really great cities! as with everyone.. living in hope... be good
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wish you that miracle Todd
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thanking you muchly, Richard... would be great if a bit of grass roots organising could influence the Dead coming here, but think you're right on the miracle front... be good todd
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Yeah, I'm sure if there were any promoter types around who could find out exactly how the band would settle regarding revenue for doing, say eleven, shows on a European tour. Then it's just a matter of booking the right venues in the time they can tour. Obviously a lot of Americans would come over. I'd expect a decent interest here from Europeans also. It would definitely be financially viable. Who can find out what the bands requirements would be? Surely they'd be up for the tour of a lifetime, especially as there's the chance these days to hit up Eastern Europe. I'd certainly suggest Prague, Budapest, Gdansk and Tallinn as well as the obvious Western European spots. J ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Are you kind?"
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Hi all We're holding our third annual Summer of Love party in July in Hawkhurst in Kent, UK, with a great line-up. As well as the fantastic GD cover band Deadicace, we've got a few special people as it's the 40th anniversary of Woodstock, including Barry "the Fish" Melton" of Country Joe and the Fish, and Robin Williamson of the Incredible String Band (both of whom played at the original Woodstock). And we've got a Santana cover band to. Check out the details on our Summer of Love party website (www.solparty.org.uk). And you can email me on chris@live-dead.co.uk. It's the best Deadhead party this side of the Atlantic (and maybe even both sides). Chris Jones
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That was a good time checking out Uncle John's Friends with u the other night! Cheers! J ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Are you kind?"