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Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

What's Inside:

5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

7/12/87 (24-track masters)

7/9/89 (24-track masters)

7/10/89 (24-track masters)

6/16/91 (48-track masters)

6/17/91 (48-track masters)

Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

"The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli - the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

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August 19, 2019 - 8:38am

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Charlie3

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Communism Does Not Lead To Freedom...

Hey Direwulf, interesting post. Can you identify any communist country that hasn't devolved into totalitarianism? I can't think of any, which is why is appears to me that communism and socialism are doomed to devolve into totalitarianism. Totalitarianism is a feature of these systems, not a bug. Not trying to stir things up, but you obviously want to discuss this futher, so why not? I feel like we can be civil and still disagree.
August 19, 2019 - 7:18am

#1412

DeadVikes

Joined:
October 26, 2016

So Far

Do you remember So Far that came out in 87 on VHS? I just watched this again on Amazon prime recently. So great, 50 minutes of sound check and concert footage from 85 and they sound great. I remember watching this at my buddies house in 87 and always wondered what happened to this one. Jerry looks so different in this footage then he looked like in 87. If you have never seen it or haven't seen it in over 30 years like me, check it out.
How is this box selling? I bought on in the first day.
August 19, 2019 - 4:13am

#1413

direwulf

Joined:
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Warmongering Does Not Make Patriot...

Woodstock and Vietnam conflict, I think most people's concern with the labeling of all poorly governed countries as "communist" is because the fact is they arent actually communist but financially corrupt totalitarian oligarchic regimes, with sprinklings of other suppressive systems of governance. Right wingers like to simplify arguments and therefore label all countries "communist" and then if you dont like America you're "communist". Its a catch all term to lump anything deemed "unpatriotic" by right leaning citizens, they then use it to negatively identify and label anyone they value to be a "lesser American and a communist. " Unfortunately, these tactics never disappeared and are out in full force today with revised tactics. Also many citizens do not support wars the US participated in after WW2 because they became political wars instead under the disguise of American values. The military prior to the end of WW2 was like a sheathed sword, always kept ready for conflict. After WW2, the military became a cheap switchblade to pull out and hold against other US citizens whose "perceived" lack of support became a litmus test for patriotism and citizenship...disgusting. That's why there is so much fervent military worship and why they choose to tie it so intrinsically with the NFL, its indoctrination and repurposing of the military war machine for political purposes. It's been happening since the 50s and it's a natural step on the way to true fascism. And to me that is a much more realistic and dangerous word than communist.

The military is a vital and important part of our history but it is not anywhere in the definition of the word patriot, American, or citizen, and it is not what defines this country. It is what keeps it safe so it's citizens can define themselves, whether others like it or not, that's the whole point...freedom to live, choose your own path, and make your own choices...supposedly.
August 19, 2019 - 2:05am

#1414

daverock

Joined:
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Woodstock Lovelight

Yes, that is quite grim. It must be what all Dead music sounds like to those that don't like them. To me, the best Lovelight's clock in at around the 15 minute mark, which includes the ones from whenever they first played it, to about March 1969-and then those great few versions played during Europe 72.

Interesting listening to Woodstock again. Its surprising, in a way, that given that it was apparently something of a mass acid test, very little of the music actually sound psychedelic. The bands I have most enjoyed listening to over the last few days, that I had forgotten about a bit, are Jefferson Airplane, Sly and the Family Stone and (look away now) Creedence Clearwater Revival.
August 18, 2019 - 10:15pm

#1415

Charlie3

Joined:
September 21, 2015

Next

Jim's comment about the fading new car smell of 31 got me wondering what 32 might be, but then I wondered, when are we getting a look at this box? I for one am really curious about the size and layout, particularly since I am essentially out of shelf space for boxes and cd's. Given that the box is focused on Giant Stadium, I have a minor worry that someone might think a truly giant box would be just the thing. I'm also a little concerned, because when I commented to my wife that I was running out of shelf space for box sets and cd's again, she had sort of a negative vibe when she suggested that it would not be cool if a new box set were to remain on the coffee table in the living room indefinitely. It seems like she may have made this same point previously when I was trying to figure out how to fit the PNW box on the remaining shelf space;)
August 18, 2019 - 10:02pm

#1416

Charlie3

Joined:
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Beer Flight

The show Sunny in Philadelphia did an entire episode based on the premise of the gang trying to top Wade Boggs' record for drinking beers on a cross country flight. Good show, clever low-brow humor and I kind of dig that kind of comedy. Not for everyone I suspect, but what is?
August 18, 2019 - 9:29pm

#1417

Gollum

Joined:
November 22, 2010

Beers on a Plane

all this airline talk....I can't help but think about the George Carlin bit where he mentions being stuck on a plane next to a guy in a Grateful Dead t-shirt who's "working on his 9th little bottle of Kahlua!" Ha! I'm afraid I missed out on those good old days. I had a fear of flying most my life and didn't start flying till after 9/11. Sounds like I missed a lot of fun. On the other hand, I have some good memories of cross country Amtrak rides with a backpack of my own provisions, including my walkman and Europe 72 bootleg cassettes. Hopefully, the trains are still a bit lenient about such things.

I finally gave the Palladium 4/30/77 (Download Series) a close listen today. Amazing show. It's really hopeless picking favorites from the Spring 77 tour!
August 18, 2019 - 8:49pm

#1418

JimInMD

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Re: Beers on a Plane, Soulful Strut

Alvarhonso..

I listened to the same portion of 30 today doing some woodwork in the heat this afternoon. I had almost the exact same thoughts. I had a long drive this morning that got me through discs one and two, and finished the rest fine-tuning some cherry trim that hopefully will be in my kitchen by weeks end. What a great release.

Not so weird I guess.. it's the best part of that release and it doesn't really let up until the end of the bonus disc. Still, a bit serendipitous. I keep listening to Dave's 5, 13 and 30 to see which one I like best. Gives me something to do. 29 was stupendous, but I really do like the unpredictability and surprises of the earlier years. White Rabbit. :D

For our fellow sparing partners out there, let it go.
August 18, 2019 - 8:38pm

#1419

snafu

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Unckl Sam

Exercise your 1st amendment right to protest a questionable war.....patriot. Make propaganda films and speeches in the enemy territory......TRAITOR. You're welcome to believe what you want jr. but she said and did the above without question.
Oh yeah it's hip to believe the lies. Here's some more truth for you. Fonda wasn't against the war , she was a communist in favour of the communists winning. Proof? 1977 after the communists did to their people that we said they would Joan Baez a true antiwar pacifist decried what they were doing to their people. Fonda, Dellinger et al called her a CIA dupe.
As I said in this country you have a right to believe what you want. So Uncle Ho was an agrarian reformer, Mao had all the answers in that little red book. Even though he was responsible for over 60,000,000 deaths of his own people. And of course the height of the new citizen Pol Pot. How many communist countries have you been to
August 18, 2019 - 8:25pm

#1420

alvarhanso

Joined:
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Beer on a plane

Wade Boggs would drink Hunter S. Thompson under the food tray on a normal cross country flight.

https://youtu.be/75Gx8OmO9Rk

He later admitted his record was 107, in the above video he's a bit more cagey about it.

Dave's 30 is pretty damn outstanding on a third listen. The Feelin' Groovy> Soulful Strut portion of Dark Star is just fantastic, and the whole quiet jam that precedes is just beautiful. I started out listening to the Dancing, and went back around to the beginning on the USB.

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Buckle up as we take a deep dive into Giants Stadium!

What's Inside:

5 Previously Unreleased Complete Giants Stadium Shows On 14 Discs

7/12/87 (24-track masters)

7/9/89 (24-track masters)

7/10/89 (24-track masters)

6/16/91 (48-track masters)

6/17/91 (48-track masters)

Blu-ray/DVD video of the complete 6/17/91 show, mixed in surround sound Mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios Mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering with Plangent Processes restoration Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 10,000

By 1987, the Grateful Dead had lived many of their nine lives but were about to embark on one not a soul had seen coming. In The Dark, their first studio album in seven years, had spawned a hit (A TOP 10 SINGLE FOR THE GRATEFUL DEAD?!) and "Touch Of Grey" begat a new generation with their fanny packs and their MTV and their undeniable quest to join the party already in progress. And boy, did the Dead let them in! But not without fine-tuning their sonic vibes to meet the new demand.

"The Swamp," as Giants Stadium was affectionately known, along with the grandstands the Dead had been frequenting, would seemingly equate with BIGGER and LOUDER, but the band "remained determined to give equal weight to the more subtle, oblique elements; to the exploratory improvisation and rhythmic complexities; to the fine details of the most heart-rending ballads as well as the weirdest dissonances in the jams."

With GIANTS STADIUM 1987/1989/1991, we retrace this journey from their 1987 breakthrough to their 1989 revelation ("the closest they ever came to sounding like a really polished stadium-level rock act, but the band’s penchant for breaking out of the constraints of song structure and into freewheeling improvisation will remind you just who you’re listening to here") to their transformative return in 1991, aided by elegance of Vince Welnick and Bruce Hornsby.

GIANTS STADIUM: 1987, 1989, 1991 features five previously unreleased shows that were recorded at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ on: July 12, 1987; July 9 and 10, 1989; and June 16 and 17, 1991. Originally recorded by John Cutler, each show has been mixed from the multitrack master tapes by Jeffrey Norman at Bob Weir's TRI Studios in San Rafael, CA, and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser at Airshow Mastering. The first three shows are mixed from 24-track masters. The final two from 1991 are the only Grateful Dead shows ever recorded to 48-track masters. We’re rounding things out with a little visual stimuli - the entire multi-camera 6/17/91 concert recording on either two DVDs or a single Blu-ray, both with a surround mix by Norman.

Due September 27th, this release is limited to 10,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net. We highly suggest you grab a copy while you can so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out.

Prefer your boxed set byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day. You can pre-order it now too.

In My Life....

....ended. Short but sweet, now Wait is up. Dammit. Now I need to listen to the whole record. No regrets.

Run For Your Life....

....now, this particular song is dark as fuck. 12 year old me just enjoyed the rhythm. 51 year old me says "Damn Beatles, y'all getting vengeful."
It's an evil song with an awesome beat.

JA

My favorite Jefferson Airplane varies from time to time, but Surrealistic Pillow and Crown of Creation seem to consistently occupy that position, both are good from start to finish. Really dig If You Feel on Crown of Creation, and some of the mellow stuff like My Best Friend or How Do You Feel from Surrealistic Pillow, absolutely can't go wrong with either album. Also, if you haven't already, check out Quah by Jorma, some really nice mellow songs on that album.

Divert Alert!!....

....Burgers by Hot Tuna just might be better than any Airplane record. Might.
I prefer my Burger with pickles and American cheese.

Michelle

My belle
These are words that go together well
my Michelle

Michelle, my belle
Sont des mots qui vont très bien ensemble
Très bien ensemble

How rude.

Burgers

Vguy, you are correct, sir, Burgers by Hot Tuna is a great album. The debut Hot Tuna album is awesome as well, just a cool sound to some of that stuff. I saw Hot Tuna at the Chance in Poughkeepsie, NY in the mid-80's and it was a fantastic show. The Chance is an old opera house, so acoustics in the balcony were excellent and it provided a cool view of the stage from above. Good times.

And I love her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsUB6Jia4v4

Any PMJ fans? All their folks are way too talented...leave some for the rest of us. Your princess is in another castle.

JA - Hot Tuna Transition Point

The JA album Bark is interesting because half of the album seems more like Hot Tuna - songs Wild Turkey, Feel So Good and Third Week in the Chelsea. The song Pretty As You Feel on that album is possibly my favorite single song by JA, and the rest of the album is not my favorite. But the good stuff still makes the album worthwhile, Feel So Good and Pretty As You Feel alone justify the album.

She said she'd always been a dancer

Not gonna lie...I always get a kick out of those old dance videos. Very impressive. Just like the music, I like the compilations that blend all the different styles.

A great one, to Uptown Funk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE

This one's been around so long, I think it was emitted when the big bang invented the internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab9i0s4WEY0

And one you all may know.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHf6tiFkr2s

Jefferson Cheeseship

White Rabbit is just a monster of a song. Grace is bone chilling... and I mean that in the sense of, gives me the chills, not baked out across a couch. What's that other single? Somebody to Love. Meh... the early Jefferson Airplane records were like the rest of the San Francisco sound at the time, tinny and thin, horribly produced.

Shout out to Jorma and Jack for being the blues backbone of that band and carving out a subsequent career.

Led Zeppelin (one, the first album) radically improved sonics in the rock album industry. "Distance makes depth," Page would say, regarding miking John Bonham's drums. Of course Bonham wielded his drumsticks like the mighty hammer of Thor, which did make things easier, but still - the first Zep album blew everything else away sonically. The next best at the time would have been what George Martin did with the Beatles. The Stones got there, eventually.

Cream were horribly produced, and it's a damn shame. There's a Cream box called, "Those Were The Days." To my knowledge, it's most everything the band did including a beer commercial - that's right, have a peek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z9tXP5IsRg

Now that both Jack and Ginger have crossed over, it's too bad their groundbreaking work along with Slowhand wasn't produced by Jimmy Page - it's a bit thin.

Which connects this ramble to Jefferson Airplane. Moments of brilliance, disappointing sonics.

Jefferson Starship, however, sounds exponentially better:

Jane
Miracles
Find Your Way Back
Count On Me

(We Built This Shitty) will go unmentioned for obvious reasons.

\m/

Jefferson Starplane

Bathing at Baxters was always the stand out JA album for me, and still is.

I also still like the trio of albums that were credited to various people, but were seemingly orchestrated by Paul Kantner ... "Blows Against the Empire" "Sunfighter" and "Baron Von Tollbooth," the latter home to the original Mind Left Body track. All feature Jerry on guitar on some tracks, to great effect.
It should also be noted that although "Blows.." is credited to Jefferson Starship, it is light years ahead of the easy listening mid 70s Jefferson Starship. In my opinion.

some things

In My Life,,, tear jerker for sure, maybe what wows me the most is the difference between the age of the "singer" and the age the "writer" was at the time. Want a nice cover? I always loved Bette Midler's cover of this song on the "For the Boys" soundtrack. (oh yeah, huge shoutout for "Stuff Like That There" from the same soundtrack)

PMJ - How can you not like stuff like that! I'm not use to seeing a tap dancer locked into one place, most be hard. Most tappers seem to "travel" while tapping. (my opinion)

Muleskinner - you sly devil. You put up that "David Hoffman" link. I watched, first you know there is not political talk allowed here. Second I didn't know "Bernie" had a career before politics and went under the name David Hoffman! (…. So then, Earl says to me, Maybe it time we go to lunch and we went, but we did not eat with the top 1%! We ate at a local café and had local food!) (in my best Bernie voice)

Again this site sucking money out of me. Everyone mentions so many artist it's impossible to keep up.

UK Delivery

Foghat

I’m staying positive. My item has been labelled for UPS but doesn’t appear to have shipped yet. It does say they are using UPS Worldwide Saver and that sounds expensive. The UPS website describes this as

‘UPS Worldwide Saver offers guaranteed afternoon delivery in 1-3 days for your international shipments. Export: Delivery by end of day. Next business day delivery to Canada and for documents to Mexico.’

Let’s hope for the best. If anyone from the distribution team reads these pages can they check the correct delivery method is being used before too many leave the warehouse.

UK Delivery - or not...

Shipments to the UK seem to be releasing one by one, over a period of time. My order still shows as “processing, not shipped”. Needless to day, my various inquiry emails to Customer Service have gone unanswered...

Good news?

Despite the optimistic mail that stated "Good news. Your order is on the way." when I check the UPS tracking, the only entry says "Label created. Order Processed: Ready for UPS" which was dated 11th. It does not indicate that it has shipped yet. Delivery to my address in the Netherlands is supposed to happen by the end of the day on the 14th. I will be extremely surprised to see a shit-brown van pull up outside my house tomorrow.

I cannot figure out why Rhino take a lot of care to get the music mastered to a high standard but then cut as many corners as possible and try to save as much money as possible on CD manufacturing (but that backfired on them), customer service and now warehousing. This really makes no sense to me.

Assorted Ramblings

Giants; really getting a lot of mileage out of this one. The 87 is nice and tight, of course the 89s are great, FALL 89 DAVE! , but the more I check out 91 the more I want to check out!
Ripping madness: been ripping up discs from dawn till doom.....my Xmas “miracle” just keeps getting better and better...of course went for the 73 and 74 stuff first, TASTY! Probably will shift into 69 position next, get me some dirty dead!
BLU-RAY Audio.......BRING IT! That would be beyond amazing! I’m sure they won’t because probably not enough demand, but you know “a girl can dream”
JA etc.....not as up on all that as I should be.....always sorta love/hate with them.....some stuff is awesome but some is kind of awkward, imho....Blows against the Empire is my go to favorite, Quah is an all time favorite. If I’m in the mood for that style it’s usaully Quah that gets played....Actually one time we saw Jorma he was sitting down like he was playing solo acoustic, but was using an electric with all kinds of peddles and pitch transposers, all kinds of weird shit. It was at this smallish Jazz club back in Buffalo called the Tralf. So we score the table right in front of him, like we were pouring him beers etc......great night! Speaking of cool tiny venues,
THE CHANCE: that place was so cool, saw the Radiators and ? Something else?, perhaps Little Feat? Can’t recall, remember the Rads show though, really fun night.
EUROPE: good luck to all our brothers and sisters across the pond! Hopefully all y’all won’t have all the hassles this time around. But if it helps, I’d say the general consensus is this ones gonna be worth it!! Can’t understand how the modern world with all the so called improvements seems to just completely fuck up even the most simple things. I guess that’s what happens when the only thing that’s seems to matter anymore is money? This darkness has got to give!
Ok, unfortunately these damn bookshelves aren’t going to build themselves, so back to work....

Oh No, It Wasn't The Airplanes Killed the Beast...

...it was beauty killed the beast. Check out the album Bless It's Pointed Little Head for some killer live JA. Smoking.

blows against the empire

The Jefferson Starship of BATE has no relation to the later band and the trademark/copyright issues.
This first starship was a PERRO project (planet earth rock and roll orchestra) ...the bay area musician's
concept... many of which are on that most classic of albums.
cheers

Charlie/pointed head

Yassss, a dear departed friend (Died years ago at 42, first friend to go is tuff, especially so young..), he was always turning me on to great stuff I probably otherwise might never heard of (kind of like hanging out here), anyway, he looooved the airplane. That’s where I got turned on to Blows. so I’m assuming he’d have broke out pointed little head, he certainly talked about that and chromium nun a lot.....so maybe I’ve heard, but I don’t remember....perhaps I should talk to Santa bout some space shipped out airplane tuna!
It’s mind blowing how you can spend so much of your life diggin’ tunes and still miss so much!

Pointed Head

Some stonkingly good bad ass bass on that one.

Bless it's Pointy Little Head....

....it's a Jack Casady fest!
Airplane are a definitely aquired taste. Some hit. Some miss. Hot Tuna usually hits the target more often than not. Jorma and Jack storming along.

Bless Its Pointed Little Head

Among the very finest live albums out there! Jack Casady's bass playing is worth the price of admission. The 2004 remaster has several additional songs and would be the one to look for if you are new to this album and plan to make a purchase. I revisit this album frequently...

All the best...

PLH

Thanks guys.....hear that Santa?, I need some more space shipped airplane tuna!

My teenager in me reminded me....

.... "remember Queensryche?" Yes I do. Thanks inner Vguy.
Holds up....

JA Takes Off has some good stuff

They cool

7 1 78

Started listening to this again

Glad to listen on cd
I guess it was hot that day
Not a fan of the hot

7.1.78....

....the best of the box. Apologies to Red Rocks. Sometimes the sweat brings out the best.

UK Delivery

Bluray box number 3769 just arrived safely in the UK this morning within 3 days of being shipped by UPS Saver despite missing part of my address on the shipping label. As expected, I had to pay £26.88 in "Government Charges" (aka VAT/Sales/Import Tax at 20%) and £11.50 in "Brokerage Charges" (aka UPS ripoff fee).

Unclear why the new warehouse (run by Direct Shot Distributing in Franklin, IN) took over 3 weeks to ship but at least I didn't get a demand for £75 freight as happened with Dave Picks 31. Hopefully they'll get DaP32 right.

Listening for after work tonight sorted.

UK delivery

This sound promising - got the normal email from the deadstore with the information "shipped" /"on it's way- finally... on saturday.
Estimated delivery october 14th - still waiting in Oslo, Norway...

Just processing

Waiting for a shipped-mail since weeks. Helplessly waiting ... somebody else?

7/1/78

Vguy-i always loved that first show too. I think that might be my favorite Estimated of all time.

I’ve been getting a ton of mileage out of this Giants box. It is really well done and sounds better than most. I’ve been playing the shows from this box, along with the shows from the 2 Spring 90 boxes on shuffle from my computer at work-has been such a joy (and a great way to make work more enjoyable)....

On the way...

Well, my box set is supposedly on its way according to the UPS website. But wait, it arrives when?
In Transit
Rescheduled Delivery Date:
3/10/2020 by End of Day

Just got my CD/DVD (was…

Just got my CD/DVD (was ordered some time ago, but as a birthday gift - so only opened it this morning). Its awesome. Well worth the wait. Great packaging and great presentation. Great booklet. Great images. Great, everything. My only suggestion would be that folks who shelled out for the CDs ought to be given a digital download as well. As it is, in order to play this on my iphone, I need to go and rip it off the cds and make it digital on my computer. Not a huge hassle, but not fully seamless. To include the digital download for folks who have purchased the hard copy doesn't seem that difficult (and I know Dead.net has done that for other releases in the past). In any case, I was at each of these shows and reliving the 87 show right now (my poor office mates won't hear anything else today).

80sFan 7/1/78

I'm putting it on right now, thanks for the tip. I've listened to that Estimated several times since the box came out, but I may not have been HEARING it, as they say.

One of my favorite things about this message board is finding out what other people think is top shelf. Heck I have a soundboard show from 8/30/69 on my phone titled "Vguy's Dark Star", as well as a warning in the notes field of the DaP 9 Dark Star that says "careful, gives Jim nightmares".

We'll see where a focussed listen to the 7/1/78 Estimated leads me. As far as Estimateds go I've long been a fan of DP 18 from early Feb '78, and I also think the 30 Trips and DaP 15 are pretty good. 78s are where Estimateds are at IMHO.

Re: Favorite Estimated's

7/1/78 is high on my list too.. but I can never nail down favorite versions. They seem to always be the last one I listened to or the next one I am going to listen too.

7/1 is such an unusual show and I think forcing them out of their fixed grid opened up other areas of creativity. The whole show is crackling with energy.

06/17/91 Drums

06/17/91 Drums. Absolutely amazing. Those two knew how to fill a huge stadium with such strange sounds. I've always loved "drums" from the later Dead days, and this is a great one.

Led ded falstaff

That falstaff/cream commercial is funny as hell.

Rocking the Cradle

Another good Estimated from 1978 is on the bonus disc of Rocking the Cradle, from 9/15/78. They aren't the best shows of the year, these from Egypt, but that Estimated, tucked away out of sight, is one of my favourite versions.

I also agree that 7/1/78 is the best show in the 78 box.

7/1/78 is good

but to say it's better than 7/8/78...

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo.

through gritted teeth: I am NOT a robot.

7/1/78

Guess I need to revisit this one. I remember the 4th quarter being really good IIRC, but seemed like the show before that and up to that point had a fair amount of slop and flubs. I'll give it another spin though.

7/1/78

Easily my favorite of that box as well. That last sequence is simply fantastic! 7/8 I had a copy of for years, and it's a good show for sure, but in a hypothetical world where 7/1 circulated in the same batch of Bettys at the same time, I'd think people would rave about the day the Dead opened for Willie Nelson and blew Arrowhead Stadium away just as much as those Red Rocks debuts. It's not a perfect 2 hours, but not many shows are.

Similar Yet Different....

....i'm bored, so i felt like posting this question. Which song do you prefer. Man Smart, Women Smarter or Iko Iko. Or is it Aiko Aiko?

Arrowhead Stadium 7/1/78

Don't forget as late as deadbase VI they still had this show listed as two sets!! All we had were audiences of 7/1, 7/3, and 7/5!! We all had the boards of 7/7/78 and 7/8 and the song list of the second set is so strong especially Estimated through the 3 encores that night that ended with Werewolves!! I love this box set because no one had the first 3 shows on board tapes... One day i hope January or February 79 turns up if they were ever recorded!! House Boat tapes, Owsley soundboards... I really enjoy when we get these upgrades!!! Be good everyone have a good night... bob t

7 1 78

Estimated > Other One = heat your face right off your head

The whole scene...

Mustve been interesting

Grateful Dead

Outlaw country stars

Hooooot

If it had been George Jones instead of Waylon Jennings, it would have been an even more fascinating juxtaposition

July 78 Box

I love that July box , and 7/1/78 is really good. I got that box because of everyone's recommendations and 7/1 was widely regarded in those recommendations. I also think 7/7 is actually a better show than 7/8 at times. I guess I switch.

Last 5

In the interest of reading what others are listening to I offer up a Last 5, both GD/non GD.

GD:
1. DP8 5/2/70 Binghamton, NY - Including the NRPS set. A college kid with $5.00 in his pocket couldn't go wrong with this show.

2. Archive: 10/19/71 - the debut of KG as well as 6 new and soon to be classic GD songs. KG sounds like he's been with the band for months. I don't think we'll see this released since it was a radio broadcast...the same reason DaP18 wasn't 7/18/76 and DaP22 wasn't 12/5/71.

3. PNW Vancouver 6/22/73 - 'Bird Song'...'nuff said.

4. Rocking The Cradle 9/16/78 - sans 'Sunrise' & 'OMSN' encore. The 2nd set stands out for me. Best of '78? Nah, but I like it.

5. Giants 6/17/91 - An 'Eyes' opener plus 'Might As Well' and 'New Speedway Boogie'..what's not to like?

Non GD:
1. Poi Dog Pondering - Volo Volo Thanks to Vguy72 for the reminder...I haven't listened to these folks in awhile.
2. Stereolab - Jenny Ondioline/Ping Pong/Wow And Flutter EPs/1 CD.
3. Blind Willie McTell - Atlanta 12 String
4. Richard Thompson - Sweet Warrior
5. Richard Thompson - The Cold Blue Film Soundtrack Thompson wrote the music with instrumentation consisting of a string quartet, 4 French horns, oboe, clarinet, double bass, guitar, harmonica and percussion. The movie/documentary might be of interest to film buffs since it documents the noted director William Wyler's experiences with crews flying B17 bombing missions during WWII. I haven't seen the film myself but can hear how the music would fit the subject matter.

Ween performed Chocolate and Cheese....

....in it's entirety yesterday.
JamBase: Ween Performs 'Chocolate & Cheese' At Desert Daze.
https://www.jambase.com/article/ween-chocolate-cheese-desert-daze
....great album and sad that I wasn't there.

Re: 7/1/78, The Whole Scene

There is an interesting point in history that just might collide with 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium.

It is well known that Willie is a staunch advocate for legal Marijuana. I read or saw an interview a long time ago where he described the point in time where he gave up (or drastically cut back) on alcohol and decided weed was safer and more productive vice.. He stated it was a reaction to an acid trip he had I think "at a festival" where someone convinced him to take a hit the day he had to play. The context of the interview seemed to be one of the fourth of July parties he had.

He went into detail describing it was difficult to play on acid and singing seemed strained like the way he wanted his voice to sound was not the way it came out. (Lord knows many of us have been there). He walked away from that adventure not doing acid or alcohol but weed seemed just fine. I think my memory is mostly true to the original story he told.

I always wondered if the festival where he dosed might have been his 7/1/78 4th of July Festival? I mean.. No, never mind. There's little to no chance the travelling GD carnival would have willfully dosed Willie Nelson... Never mind.. that's crazy talk :D

Edit: This isn't the original article I read, no mention to alcohol.. but close enough.
https://time.com/3843900/willie-nelsons-pot-lsd/

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