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  • Kate_C.
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    Pig - endings

    It's late on a Sunday and that means bed soon, but since my quick reply to TD's inquiry below, I've been further thinking about the tragedy of Pig - and I certainly think of it that way despite the manifest personal responsibility for the consequences of near incessant alcohol abuse from a young age. It's a spiraling decline that seems particularly pathos-laden given the picture of a gentle, genial man that emerges from all the familiar documentary sources.

    I take notes or attempt to catalogue page references by subject from my little library of the Dead, but realize I've done a poor job on this particular subject - and certainly during the general time frame implied by TD's question. So, I wanted to share a couple relevant - and heartbreakingly poignant - passages from Jackson's "Garcia/American Life" that I've revisited since:

    First, McIntire speaking: "I remember one day Garcia coming into my office and saying, 'Look, I'm really worried about Pig. I think his life is in danger, and I want to do whatever we can. The band'll pay for everything. Let's find out if there's anything we can do.' So I researched it and I found out the most famous place in the world for liver problems was Sheila Sherlock's clinic in London. But my doctor, Sandor Bernstein, said there was a guy at UCSF [University of California and San Francisco] who was as good. So we slotted Pig with him. And Pig jumped in and did, too. He stopped drinking and he learned all the things about nutrition that he could. He really tried, but it was too late."

    And second: "[On the tour] he rode on the hard bus, this Danish bus, which was sort of like the crew bus," Annette Flowers said. "It was the quieter of the two buses usually. Pigpen lived on the back bench of that bus. ... I think that trip sort of sunk it for him; put him over. It was really grueling in a lot of ways." "He got knocked off that bench five or six times," Rock Scully recalled. "He rolled off that bench and a couple of times he really hurt himself I could see it; he really hurt his kidneys and bruised himself. I'd have to help him off the bus."

    "He really tried, but it was too late." A short, simple statement, but one that can put fault lines in even a strong foundation. I recall reading that Pig sent Veronica away as his condition became increasingly acute, which, in light of other information, clearly underscores what a lonely and frankly terrifying period those final 12-18 months must have been for that kindhearted soul./K

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    I posted this in the taper forum, but thought this may be the better spot (also, patience is not a virtue of mine). I am sure this exists in written form somewhere, I just can't seem to find it.

    What is the official band policy for trading in shows that have been officially released? Specifically, I am wondering about the ones that were released officially but are out of print. Seems to me that if they are not for sale currently, we would not be costing the band money by trading those shows. In fact, the only folks it would cost are those selling the out of print releases at a profit on the secondary market. Just curious what the official policy is on this considering the volume of official releases these days.

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    Yes. I suspect Pig was resting from his short reunion tour with the band in December '71 and fortifying his commitment to sobriety in what had to have been an unfathomably difficult lifestyle change (if not in terms of medical necessity, then certainly in practice).

    "Ace" was recorded from January - March '72, but recall that Pig's alcohol-related health problems forced a touring hiatus in August '71 that culminated with hospitalization in September for bleeding ulcers, hepatitis, and spleen problems. He was only able to rejoin the Dead beginning early December in Boston, at which time I recall Phil describing Ron as shockingly frail in his book. Not surprisingly, Pig's contributions are limited, and while progressively more energetic throughout the month (at least to my ears), they are still anemic by historical standards; though by NYE he sounds beat.

    In retrospect, it's a miracle that the Dead community (once and future) got Pig back in functional form for the brilliantly recorded European tour, especially given how quickly he dropped off radar for related health problems afterward.

    EDIT: And yes, "sabbatical" serves as a neat and entirely appropriate bit of shorthand in conversation among those who know....

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    essentially it was a dead album with everyone on board contributing except for Micky who was on a sabbatical, (as i see it) and Pig, why wasnt Pig contributing? was he too sick at the time?

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    RE: NYE '69

    CC, your post invites a bit of confusion by suggesting that you saw both the Dead and TSOC on the same NYE bill at Winterland in '69; though 50 years is an understandably long time. It's hard to imagine, but the Dead were not playing on a West Coast home field that December 31st, and were rather in the midst of an odd eastbound triptik that took them to Dallas on 12/26, Hollywood (FL) on 12/28, and the Boston Tea Party on 12/29-30, while closing out at the Fillmore East on 1/2-3/70.

    Indeed, the '69 NYE playbill on the poster you linked does not name the Dead. So TSOC and the GoGD were on opposite coasts at the decade's close. In any event, here's a link to a CM SBD for the Dead's '69 NYE show:
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/12/31?source=87994

    Incidentally, I couldn't find a poster for Boston NYE, but here's one from the night before (it would appear the promo dept. missed the spirit of the "grateful" dead; you'd think an impossibly early incarnation of Maiden was playing that night!):
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YQBsfGwVEeo/TUSkqEWWy3I/AAAAAAAARQs/qRvbGdWK_…

    However, you are correct that the Dead played NYE '70 at Winterland, but, consistent with the playbill cited in Deadbase50, the following promo poster does not show TSOC on the same stage, but rather NRPS, "assorted friends" (apparently Hot Tuna), and Stoneground (note also, "lights by Little Princess 109").
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/030/0/8448089/il_570xN.542921874_q4nc.jpg

    Checking Deadbase, here's a link to what seems the complete NYE '70 show; however, it appears to be mix of AUD and FM broadcast that provides poor sound quality through Cumberland (even so, the Truckin' opener is well worth a listen), but thankfully improves in time for the set's highlights at Cryptical and China>Rider through close at UJB.
    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1970/12/31?source=88719

    Regardless of which show you attended, either would've been a great way to kick off your own personal attendance record! Got a story?/K

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    Thanks for sharing this post i really like this post

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    You may want to post this on the Dave's Picks 31 thread so more people see it. Most folks are there.

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    I can not find the 1st GD…

    I can not find the 1st GD show I attended anywhere in GD archives. No GD archive lists the same bands that I saw that night, as confirmed by the Sons archive which has the poster from that night:

    <<Wednesday, December 31, 1969: '1969 New Years Eve 1970', Winterland 2000 Post Street at Steiner Street, San Francisco, California
    The band was billed only as 'The Sons' on the poster printed for this show. Also on the bill: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna. Lights by Brotherhood of Light. This show, from 8:00pm to 8:00am, was promoted by Bill Graham Presents In San Francisco.>>
    http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/the-sons-of-champlin.html

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    How do I update my address…

    How do I update my address for my Dave's subscription? Want to make sure #31 gets safely home!

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    limited releases logic explained

    Could you please explain the logic of "limited releases" as it applies to an "alternative" business model, such as the grateful dead" The "limited release" model is a concept taken from the good old music biznezz, in order to promote sales, keep prices high, and maintain collector value of limited products.
    I "missed" the window for daves pick's 30, a rare release from the year 1970, the first show that I recorded 1/3/70. I was disappointed, but managed to get one on a record/cd selling site. I paid double, but I still saved $$$, as I do not want to purchase a "subscription" to the daves picks yearly releases, as I am primarily interested in obtaining music from the 1966-1970 period, and not many releases are from these years. I guess I could always buy a subscription, and then sell off the unwanted items on another site for a profit, which is what this concept does, encourages a "black market". I do not consider this to be "progressive" in the least. I would rather purchase through GDCORP, as I have in the past, but if GDCORP wants to encourage this type of atmosphere, I am forced to participate in order to get what I want, and I am grateful to the sellers who have made it possible to get what I want. But it sure seems contrary to what Jerry's idea of business was.

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Glad to see the store up and running with more music in stock Plus a 20% discount to boot!Finally got to order the Rotterdam 5/12/72 cd set today, so excited to hear the Dark Star on that one. Peace, ~bc.boot
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this search bar that only seems to show up on dead.net ? T on the bottom of the screen it has an X on it but will not go away ..
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I live in the UK and recently ordered daves picks 4 and other items from the store. I received no communication regarding dispatch and after sending several emails to customer service who always told me they had passed them onto the relevant dept for action, but I never got a reply. In the meantime I received an email informing an item on my order was cancelled but with no excplanation. I telephoned in the end and was told by someone called Zoe that the reason my order was cancelled was because international orders are not accepted. When asked why I could place a confirmed order and be quoted international postage she could not answer. Can someone please explain is this true and why is this allowed to occur. It is strange to encourage international business then not accept it. peter
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Why does the store accept international orders quoting postage to my destination then when I phone to find out what is happening to my order 2 months later be told international orders are not accepted? peter
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as noted elsewhere, something's not right here. Please send me a PM with your order details. Thanks.
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i got it taken care of ,, thnx MaryE
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i got it taken care of ,, thnx MaryE
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Is more oriented toward sales than community. I hope sincerely that they are working out the kinks raher than moving to this as a permanent format. It was useful to know who was on line. The old search engine functioned better than the new one. One good thing about this format is that the spammers seem to be pretty much banished. I hope dead.net can get the best of both worlds together when they bring the Chat Room out ofBeta and get the whole catalog once again on line. It is beyong me that this whole project was taken up at Christmas time when most retailers are doing more than 40% of their year-long business. Ah well, I have long ago stropped trying to fathom the mysertium tremendous powers behind Rhino on Grateful Dead issues.... So, my questions is: Does Rhino plan to go back to the old format once the bugs are worked out?
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whether the chat room, the search tool, and the who's online features are on the to-do list, yes. In the meantime, you can get a list of who's online by going to the chat link above; the list is on the right of the chatroom page. It is, as noted earlier, a list of who's online, not who's in the chatroom at this juncture. As to community, well, it's not like it can be artificially generated, whatever tech snake oil guys say. The members make it happen, we just have a venue and try to manage it as well as we can within the constraints we've got.
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I simply want to change my shipping address for my Dave's Picks 2013 subscription. Unlike virtually every other online retailer, I am unable to manage my account and order information in the Dead.net store. I had hoped by now that the store would have transitioned into a user-friendly arena. I phoned the customer service hotline and was told that I could make no changes to my order! The first volume of the 2013 Dave's Picks subscription is still roughly two months away from actual shipping, but no changes can be made. Ridiculous. I have already been billed and paid for an entire year worth of music that I need to have shipped to a new address and am having difficulty being told that this is not possible. I know that is indeed possible but wish that I didn't have to traverse so many hoops to get it done. What needs to be done? Who can help?
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send me a PM with the details and we'll try to get this straightened out.
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How do I find a particular show in the Taper's section, specifically from 10/18/80 and 10/19/80? Cosmicbadger had created a list of vines ( where is it now?) and I think there is a similar document for the Taper's section.
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Pm me and I'll hook you up with the info.
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to see if I can replicate wilfred's difficulty with this thread...
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I can only load this page if there is a new post. I cannot browse to it 'cold'...Anyone know who drew this? Is it Gilbert Shelton, the same dude that did the cover artwork?
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Hey folks! I'm new here and I had a quick question. I work for Brookvale Records; we are the independent record label out of Long Island, NY releasing the Dick's Picks Series on vinyl. I'd like to start sharing info on here about our latest releases. But of course I wish to do so in an appropriate manner. Before I started posting about Dick's Picks Vol. 3 & 4 on sale and info on the upcoming Vol. 5 release, I thought I'd check in here. I'm certainly aware of community guidelines around forums like this acting as a fan, but I'm curious what the guidelines are for me as a "business." Am I permitted to post photos or links to our Store page, etc. within reason? If so, what specific forums would be appropriate for that? Don't want to be shunned for spamming!
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Hi, I'm the forum moderator. Excellent questions all. Couple of possibilities here; you could post in the Your Own Storefront thread, which some shops and craftspeople do, or we could start a thread specifically for the DP on Vinyl series. Lemme know what you'd prefer.
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Hi,,, Trying to figure out the best place to post to find travel partner. I don't plan to stay in NE PA for the winter this year, and I wanna do another cross country, with helpful responsible soul to share the fun and the work....Thx (~);} Have a GRATEFUL day ☮ ♥
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Hello,hope this is the right place to ask a question-this site is hard to figure out.About 8 years ago my friend gave me a show on a cd that had a year and Gay Parees written on it,assuming this meant Paris and I cant remember the year but it sounded like mid seventies-cant find the cd.It had a killer Friend with a long,beautiful keyboard solo in it.I used to play this for my young daughter,she loved this particular version.How can I find this show? The archive has a F.O.T.D. listed in Paris on 9-20-74 but its not the same version that was from my show.Can anyone help me find this show as my daughter who recently went away to college specifically asked me to find this song for her.Maybe there is hope to turn her on to the dead yet, as I have been trying for 18 years!Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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which is not infallible, reveals no Paris shows between 1974 and 1990. The latter would sound quite a bit different from the '70s.
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Hi guys and gals,I am collecting up stories from a particular show in Portland on June 12, 1980. During the second song in the second set, Mt. St Helens blew 54.5 million cubic yards of ash into the air which drifted over the Portland area as the show was getting over with. The after show parties are legendary and I wanted to see if any of the folks who remember that night would be willing to share any details. Please let me know. This was an extremely interesting confluence of thought and some significant ideas were born that night. It would be great to see where any of it went. Thanks.
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China Doll doesn't appear in the list of songs? Why not? Also if one enters "china doll" in the search box, it comes back with no results, site-wide.
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I'll pass this up the line.
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Hi, Just curious what happened to the Taper's section --- no new entries after the Oct 14-20 entry? That's as much a question as it is a statement: I haven't seen a new entry in over a week, which is very odd, so perhaps I am doing something wrong? BTW, your all doing a great job. I look forward to each week's offerings with great anticipation! Thank you!
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Is there any plans to publish the 4th Volume of 30 Days of Dead? Matching the show and date with the download was something I looked forward to during November, it is kind of like a month long holiday celebration.
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Yes. It kicks off on Friday. Check out the Almanac on the homepage. In it the 2013 edition of 30 Days of Dead is mentioned.
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Just wondering why Heads north of the U.S can't play the 30 DOD contest. It seems wrong to me. Hell I'd pay for the shipping if that was an issue. That pretty much goes for ANY contest that Deadnet puts on. Lots of us up here.
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The issue is that legal requirements for contests vary from country to country, and crafting a contest that's legally compliant inside and outside the US is prohibitively complex. We're sorry about this, as it is certainly a bummer for non-US folks.
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If you want to PM me your guess, and I win I will send you the prize. Can non US folks get the free song though?
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...that's awful kind of you Wilfred. I do appreciate the gesture. Yes we do get the downloads. Which I also appreciate.
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I would like to obtain a soundboard-quality copy of the Dead concert in Vancouver 40 years ago so that I can surprise an old friend who attended the show with me, for his 60th birthday. I would gladly pay to get this recording.
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What are you looking for, a bootleg or something snazzy?
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I have downloaded a Taper's version from archive.org, but would like something with better fidelity. The soundboard version on archive.org is much better but can't be downloaded from the site anymore. I just don't want to rip off the Dead in any way. Snazzy, yes! I'm also desiring to obtain the May 17, '74 Vancouver Wall of Sound concert, which was a blast also. Three days after the new Dave's Picks offering! These Canada gigs seem off the radar.
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I do not know of any such commercial product. You might ask in the Tapers thread in the forums in case someone has/knows of the existence of a better recording than what you've got. You could also email David Lemieux at vault@dead.net; he lives in that part of the world too, and might be able to shed some light on the state of vault tapes of that show.
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I appreciate the replies from Wilfred and Marye and will follow Marye's advice to try contacting Dave. Thank you folks. Thinking of Pete Seeger today. To everything...
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dondub, if you want to send me a note through the message system here, I can hook you up with a SBD of this show that I downloaded from the archive.org stream (Charlie Miller version) as long as you don't mind MP3 files.
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Is the bird on the wake of the flood album a crow or raven? thank you
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It's a raven. In the story of Noah and the Ark, Noah set loose a raven before he set loose the dove that found dry land.
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Thanks so much! I'm getting a tattoo of the Raven and wanted to be able to say for sure what it is!