Forums
Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --
Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works
(We're changing some things for 2009)
BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".
MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are
Hal's "wait wait..."
(from Hal R - for posterity sake)
wait one more thing
We forgot to mention how listening to vines will open your senses to the wonders of nature; give you the keys to universal knowledge; open the gates of mystic revelation; expand cosmic consciousness; empower your inner Buddha and Christ natures; have you become one with the Tao; grant you inner peace; lead to new friendships; put you in blissful states; plant a permanent smile on your face; give you a huge sense of humor and wit; make you shake your bones throughout the day and just plain be filled with joy and innate coolness as you groove through life.
On the other hand, never mind.
Peace.
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake
I love everyone
Thanks all! Marye, Ericat and all the others that had a hand in this. It is truly a privilege to be able to collect and share music here. Just 6 months ago I only dreamed that I could have such amazing quality and such an abundance of hours. It was seriously a dream. I am GRATEFUL. Vine on!
"I had a hard run, runnin' from your window."
The Dead 7/10/03 Vine
Great work on the new vines section you guys, thanks alot. If its alright I'd like to offer up this one. There is no post-jerry dead in vindex.
The Dead
Thursday, July 10, 2003
Red Rocks Amphitheater
Morrison, CO
Neumann u89i(Subcard/NOS)->Lunatec V3@16/48khz w/ANSR on
DA-20->VX Pocket->Wavelab(resampled to 44.1khz)->CDWAV->Flac 16
Disc 1: Set I
1. Jam->
2. Help On the Way->
3. Slipknot!->
4. Here Comes Sunshine->
5. Hard To Handle
6. Down the Road Again->
7. Tennessee Jed->
8. Broken Arrow
Disc 2: Set I cont.
1. Dark Star->
2. Bertha
Set II
3. Blackbird@->
4. New Minglewood Blues
5. Eyes Of the World->
6. Dark Star Jam->
7. Drums/Space->
Disc 3: Set II cont.
1. China Doll->
2. The Wheel->
3. Dark Start->
4. Throwing Stones->
5. Franklin's Tower
6. Encore Break
7. Organ Donor Rap
8. Loose Lucy
"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
Ladies and Gentlemen an evening with the Grateful Dead
In honor of this wonderful group, I offer up the following shows.gd70-01-02.early-late.sbd.cotsman.18120.sbeok.shnf
gd70-01-10.sbd-pitch-corrected.miller.xxxxx.sbeok.flac16
gd70-07-14.sbd.cotsman.17815.sbeok.shnf
gd70-07-16.sbd.miller.32551.sbeok.flac16
All are from 1970, there is some scratchiness to some of the tracks but all the shows warm my soul.
As always all are offered in both SHN/FLAC and WAV.
Please do not sign up before this vine is planted in it's own topic.
Enjoy, long live the vineyard.
Peace
Rick
_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
Grateful Dead
1-2-70
Fillmore East,
New York, NY
Disc 1 (63:08)
Early Show:
1. Zarathustra introduction--> (1:09)
2. Mason's Children (6:12)
3. Casey Jones (4:27)
4. Black Peter (12:48)
5. Mama Tried--> (2:39)
6. Hard To Handle (4:58)
7. Cumberland Blues (5:49)
8. Cryptical Envelopment--> (2:01)
9. Drums--> (3:56)
10. The Other One%--> (10:14)
11. Cryptical Envelopment--> (1:59)
12. Cosmic Charlie// (6:49)
Disc 2 (46:14)
Late Show:
1. Uncle John's Band--> (7:19)
2. High Time (7:24)
3. Dire Wolf (4:19)
4. //Easy Wind (7:20)
5. China Cat Sunflower//(-->) (3:36)
6. //I Know You Rider (2:02)
7. Good Lovin' (7:30)
8. Me & My Uncle (3:05)
9. stage banter (1:37)
10. Monkey & The Engineer (1:57)
Disc 3 (72:15)
Late Show continued:
1. stage banter/tuning (1:34)
2. Dark Star//(-->) (29:59)
3. //St. Stephen--> (5:13)
4. The Eleven--> (12:20)
5. Lovelight% (23:07)
_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
Grateful Dead - January 10, 1970
Golden Hall - San Diego, CA
San Diego Community Concourse
Setlist:
d1t01 - Stage Banter/Tuning
d1t02 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t03 - I Know You Rider
d1t04 - Me And My Uncle
d1t05 - Dire Wolf
d1t06 - Hard To Handle
d1t07 - Casey Jones
d1t08 - Mason's Children ->
d1t09 - Black Peter (Missing but can be found on Disc 7 The Golden Road (1965 - 1973))
d1t10 - Good Lovin'
d1t11 - Cold Rain And Snow
d2t01 - Turn On Your Lovelight
d2t02 - Announcements
_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
Grateful Dead
7-14-70
Euphoria Ballroom,
Disc 1 (51:49)
acoustic set:
1. Don't Ease Me In (3:10)
2. //Friend Of The Devil (3:28)
3. stage banter (1:59)
4. Dire Wolf (3:54)
5. stage banter (3:35)
6. Dark Hollow (3:07)
7. //Candyman (4:45)
8. //Black Peter (6:46)
9. //How Long Blues (3:23)
10. Deep Elem Blues% (3:22)
11. Cumberland Blues* (5:13)
12. //New Speedway Boogie* (9:01)
Disc 2 (75:07)
electric set:
1. Casey Jones (5:05)
2. El Paso (6:05)
3. China Cat Sunflower--> (5:24)
4. I Know You Rider (5:09)
5. //Easy Wind (2:52)
6. Me & My Uncle (3:31)
7. Cryptical Envelopment--> (2:07)
8. Drums--> (7:10)
9. The Other One--> (10:12)
10. Cryptical Envelopment--> (5:18)
11. Cosmic Charlie (8:23)
12. Good Lovin'% (6:18)
13. Uncle John's Band (7:26)
*with David Crosby on acoustic (Garcia is on electric)
_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+
Grateful Dead - July 16, 1970
Euphoria Ballroom - San Rafael, CA
Setlist:
d1t01 - //China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t02 - I Know You Rider ->
d1t03 - Candyman
d1t04 - Turn On Your Lovelight
hopefully a helpful tool
There was a note on the old "new vines" topic about labeling the packages - but I would rather have documentation about what vine it is & set lists etc.. on the INSIDE of the package - to help prevent theft (not an indictment of our US postal workers - but decorating the outside can lead to temptation). As for keeping track of the vines, I use an excel spreadsheet to track vines. Sample Vine Tracking Spredsheet In this sample, I have deleted everyone's name & address - which i collect through the vining process (for vining purposes only - so i don't have to constantly ask for addresses). It consists of 4 tabsTab 1 - expected vines (sort by expected date & update frequently)
Tab 2 - completed vines (copy from Tab1 to here as they get done - for historical purposes)
Tab 3 - names & addresses
Tab 4 - a copy of the vinedex (for local reference)
Tab 5 - vines I have started (again - for historical purposes)
with all the time we put into keeping the music flowing, it only makes sense to do it in an organized way & keep track of things. Note that Tabs 1 & 2 have url links back to this site, for easy status checking. It's really not much effort at all - as you're sitting there burning the discs, you just update the spreadsheet.
in response to badger's quite appropriate comment
I've done a brief edit on the matter of the Vinedex, which represents truly heroic effort on badger's part.
thanks, re the new vines
and I'll work on getting them posted by the end of the day.
gonna be hard on a vine slut like me...
...waiting for the new topics to show up ;^).
Good job for sure erickat. I appreciate having things clearly spelled out, esp. the items that can result in a viner getting skipped. "No response in 3 - 4 days" is helpful, and setting a deadline was something that had prevented me from getting started on anything like this (well, that and the fact that I'm still fairly new here and didn't want to be pushy). The item regarding checking in periodically is good, too - several of the currently missing vines are involved there, viners mailing out vines to others who are known to be missing, or being at the end and not checking back for new signups. I don't think these guidelines will have a negative effect on the playground here, although as one viner stated a couple of months ago:
"I've read some pretty restrictive rules on other sites & even though we have some hiccups here now & again, it's a much more free & open environment"
I think the environment here is safe ;^)
Cheers!
MarkintheDark
*********************************************
I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com
*********************************************
And I like that header helping
us all to remember what we forgot (or didn't know). Grate job you guys!
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
Yes Grate job indeed !!
very nice , this should eliminate some confusion for sure .. Grate job guy`s !!
appreciate
the small correction :-)
thanks erickat and Marye and everyone else too.
I am in Banda Aceh, the city destroyed by the tsunami in Dec 2004. Puts my little problems and complaints into perspective.
The Lapful Laughs Goodie Bag
Here are 2 more shows. I have checked the vindex plus the official releases and do not see these shows listed: 4/5/69 and 7/18/72.
Notes for both shows: SBD sources; seamless tracks; very good sound quality; audio wav format; a total of 6 CDRs
San Francisco, CA
Avalon Ballroom (4/5/69)
CD 1
Dupree’s diamond blues
Mountains of the moon
Dark Star >
St. Stephen
Lovelight
Hard to Handle (Set 2 Starts)
Cosmic Charlie
CD 2
China Cat Sunflower
Doing that rag
Cryptical envelopment >
The other one >
Cryptical envelopment >
The eleven jam
It’s a sin
Alligator >
Feedback
We bid you good night
Jersey City, NJ
Roosevelt Stadium (7/18/72)
CD 1
Bertha (some stitches at beginning during opening chords)
Me and My Uncle
Bird Song
Promised Land
Sugaree
Black Throated Wind
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Jack Straw
Loser
CD2
Beat it on Down the Line
Stella Blue
El Paso
Casey Jones
Playing in the Band
Brown Eyed Women
Tennessee Jed
CD3
Truckin'
Dark Star
Comes a Time (audience recording patch inserted at 3:32)
Sugar Magnolia
CD4
Ramble On Rose
Greatest Story Ever Told
Mississippi Half-Step
Sing Me Back Home
Not Fade Away
Goin' Down the Road Feeling Bad
Not Fade Away
E: One More Saturday Night (missing)
Hey cosmicbadger...
...if you happen by a temple please light some incense for me. I had nightmares about the tsunami, I can't imagine living through something like that
Cheers, and stay well,
MarkintheDark
*********************************************
I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com
*********************************************
Hampton Coliseum April, 1984
Grateful Dead - 4/13/84Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA
Set 1:
d1t01 - Keep Your Day Job ->
d1t02 - New Minglewood Blues
d1t03 - Dire Wolf
d1t04 - Beat It On Down The Line ->
d1t05 - West L.A. Fadeaway
d1t06 - It's All Over Now
d1t07 - Bird Song
d1t08 - Hell In A Bucket ->
d1t09 - Don't Ease Me In
Set 2:
d2t01 - Scarlet Begonias ->
d2t02 - Fire On The Mountain
d2t03 - Estimated Prophet ->
d2t04 - Drums ->
d3t01 - Space ->
d3t02 - The Wheel ->
d3t03 - Truckin' ->
d3t04 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
d3t05 - Around And Around ->
d3t06 - Good Lovin'
Encore:
d3t07 - U.S. Blues
Grateful Dead - April 14, 1984
Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA
Set 1:
d1t01 - Feel Like A Stranger
d1t02 - They Love Each Other
d1t03 - C.C. Rider
d1t04 - Brown Eyed Women
d1t05 - My Brother Esau
d1t06 - Tennessee Jed
d1t07 - Let It Grow
Set 2:
d1t08 - Touch Of Grey
d2t01 - Playin' In The Band ->
d2t02 - Terrapin Station ->
d2t03 - Playin' Jam ->
d2t04 - I Don't Need Love ->
d2t05 - Drums ->
d2t06 - Space ->
d2t07 - Morning Dew ->
d2t08 - One More Saturday Night Tease ->
d2t09 - Throwing Stones ->
d2t10 - One More Saturday Night
Encore:
d2t11 - It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Add City Island to the Hampton 84 vine, please
This will be a DVD vine - the two hampton shows, the city island show,
6/23/84 - Grateful Dead
City Island - Harrisburg, PA
Recording Info:
(FOB) Senn 441 -> PCM -> Dat
..
Set 1:
d1t01 - Alabama Getaway ->
d1t02 - Promised Land
d1t03 - Peggy-O
d1t04 - Little Red Rooster
d1t05 - Brown Eyed Women
d1t06 - My Brother Esau
d1t07 - Big Railroad Blues
d1t08 - The Music Never Stopped ->
d1t09 - Don't Ease Me In
Set 2:
d1t10 - Touch Of Grey
d2t01 - Estimated Prophet ->
d2t02 - Eyes Of The World ->
d2t03 - Drums ->
d2t04 - Space ->
d2t05 - Truckin' ->
d2t06 - Spoonful Jam ->
d2t07 - Black Peter ->
d2t08 - Around And Around ->
d2t09 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->
d2t10 - One More Saturday Night
d2t11 - (Encore) Day Job
so... to clarify ...
The "Hampton April 84" vine will be
Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA 04/13/84 & 04/14/84
City Island - Harrisburg, PA 6/23/84
On a DVD - Hampton in Flac, City Island in SHN
Thanks
You may want to come up with a more creative name
like Hampton & Harrisburg 84 or something
OK - add one more - this is final
Sorry - next time, I'll do the space calculation ahead of time.
I'm going to add 3/29/84 to this vine... so it's
Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA 04/13/84
Hampton Coliseum - Hampton, VA 04/14/84
City Island - Harrisburg, PA 06/23/84
San Rafael, CA 03/29/84
On a DVD +R
Grateful Dead - March 29, 1984
Marin Veterans Memorial Auditorium
San Rafael, CA
Recording Info:
SBD -> Cassette Master -> Cassette (Maxell XLIIS-90)
Transfer Info:
Cassette (Sony TC-WE475) -> Sony R500 (Pass Through) ->
SEK'D Prodif Plus -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)
Transferred and Edited By Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
February 22, 2006
Patch Info:
Tape flip in Eyes Of The World patched with
Sony ECM-939LT stereo mics(x2) > Cass Master > Sound Forge > CD
Notes:
-- Thanks to Paul Scotton and Joani Walker for the Cassettes.
-- Seamless transition between discs.
Set 1:
d1t01 - Walking The Dog
d1t02 - Bertha ->
d1t03 - The Promised Land
d1t04 - It Must Have Been The Roses
d1t05 - Little Red Rooster
d1t06 - Bird Song
d1t07 - My Brother Esau
d1t08 - Might As Well
Set 2:
d1t09 - Tuning
d1t10 - Shakedown Street
d2t01 - Tuning
d2t02 - Estimated Prophet ->
d2t03 - Eyes Of The World ->
d2t04 - Drums ->
d2t05 - Space ->
d2t06 - Spanish Jam ->
d2t07 - The Other One ->
d2t08 - Wharf Rat ->
d2t09 - Sugar Magnolia
Encore:
d2t10 - Keep Your Day Job
Request/Question
I have been dying to get 10/31/70 Stony Brook. I think there were two shows that date, but I NEED the one with the LAST Viola Lee Blues. Being the good soldier that I am, I looked in the Vindex and noticed that the Repatriation Vine had at least one of the shows in the vine. Two problems: One, I cant tell which of the two 10/31 shows was included. Two, the vine seems to have been taken out of circulation due to "overhandling." Can we re-vine it? How about a "Last Time Performed" Vine that includes this show and maybe two or three others where classic stuff was "retired.' Revivals by Phil, Ratdog, Other Ones, the Dead don't count as "unretiring." For example when was the last time they played The Eleven? Or was it revived? Obviously, there are a number of Pigpen songs that would fit the bill. What do you guys think?
Thanks for listening.
"Let there be songs to fill the air."
Not Retired - just waiting for someone to sign up
Here's the link to the repatriation vine.PM Estim8ed with your mailing address & sign up at the link below
http://www.dead.net/forum/repatriation-vine-1-13-1970?page=5
This vine has both the early & late shows for 10/31/70. Viola Lee is on the Early show.
You will need to be able to read DVD & convert from FLAC to WAV
Binghamton 5/2/70
Any one have this or able to vine this?? I am wanting to get a hold of this show.
Binghamton 5/2/70
Looks like Binghamton 5/2/70 is Dick's Picks volume 8sorry
the anticipation
with the new systme in order I find myself wanting to keep coming back to see if the new vine has a home yet .. can i sing up yet can i sing up yet .. Nope Marye has`nt got to it yet ..makes it more interesting and diferent for sure .. the anticipation is killing me .. LOL ..
I`m patient and i do like the new systme ..
BInghamton 5/2/70
Thanks!!! I don't know how I missed that one. Heading to the online store right now.
PS3 VINE?
Hey wats up Erickat , Ok, so can you start a vine on ur PS3? Im on the PS3 now and I can post comments on forums and topics, but I can't get into the chat room. The chat room screen shows up, but where everybodys chatting is complely blank.Any answers to this maddnes? Anyone? This is probably a good question for Marye.
thanx,
Phatmoye
It doesn't matter how you get here...
PS3 - PC, Mac etc... nobody but the sysops can start a new thread - and there is no file sharing or downloading - the vines are just descriptions & sign-up lists - and have to be approved by the sysops (read Marye). The actual music is sent, physically, via snail mail on cd or dvd media. If you are signed in, you should be able to chat - it may be that you need particular software support for chatting - not sure what browser the PS3 uses.
Here's a note about the PS3
Here's a note about the PS3 and Internet access ...
"esssential PC software such a Java Updates, Adobe, or Flash Player cannot be downloaded by the individual, rather they must wait for a software update from Sony. This means of number of online video sites cannot be watched, leading to a frustrating search for ones that do (You Tube appears to be one that works consistently)."
Dead.net uses Gagalive chat - not sure if it's supported on the PS3
Source Of This Info
worry no more stuman
the Hampton/Harrisburg/San Rafael '84 vine now resides here.
Berkeley 4/22/86 Vine
Heres one to represent 86.
Grateful Dead - April 22, 1986
Community Theatre - Berkeley, CA
Recording Info:
Set 1: SBD -> PCM -> Dat -> Sonic Solutions -> CD -> EAC -> FLAC
Set 2: SBD -> PCM -> Dat -> Samplitude Professional v8.01 -> FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)
All Transfers and Mastering By David Gans and Charlie Miller
charliemiller87@earthlink.net
May 18, 2006
Notes:
-- Disc change is seamless
-- Thanks to David Gans for the Set 1 disc and Set 2 Dat
-- Truckin' tease before and after Spoonful
Set 1:
d1t01 - Box Of Rain ->
d1t02 - Visions Of Johanna
d1t03 - Mama Tried ->
d1t04 - Big River
d1t05 - Bird Song
d1t06 - Little Red Rooster
d1t07 - Deal
set 2:
d1t08 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t09 - I Know You Rider ->
d1t10 - Looks Like Rain
d2t01 - Terrapin Station ->
d2t02 - Drums ->
d2t03 - Space ->
d2t04 - Spoonful ->
d2t05 - Throwing Stones ->
d2t06 - Black Peter ->
d2t07 - Turn On Your Lovelight
Encore:
d2t08 - Brokedown Palace
"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
Family Reunion Shows
Ok so pkpotter recently sent me copy's of both nights of the Alpine Valley Family Reunion 8-3-02 and 8-4-02. We both agree that they are important shows but they are both very rough recordings and all of the disc's have one track that plays all the way through. I was thinking about starting a vine for them but I have a couple of questions.
Does anyone out there have better recordings of these shows? and if not would anyone be interested in signing up for a vine for these even with the shows as rough as they are now?
"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
hey Trevor
before I launch this BCT vine, would it make sense to confer amongst ourselves and see if we can put together the rest of the run? Which, as I recall, was pretty good?
Trevor and Marye
I have sent in a request to the seeders and I will begin leaching 4/18,19 & 21 as soon as the request is filled. More to come when I am finished.Peace
Rick
Yeah sure
I usually just vine single shows that I get that havent been vined yet. If anyone ever has anything that they would like to add to one of my vines its always cool.
Thanks everyone,
Trevor
"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
cool either way of course!
I was just having flashbacks to those shows. Handing out flyers to total strangers about this computer network thing...
Great marye!
Im sure that we will be able to put this vine together.
oh and Im about recieve 15 or so early 1969 shows so keep an eye out everyone.
Peace,
Trevor
"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
More Old'n'Dead! Wahooo!
Yep, should be outa blank CDs any time now.
And marye's having flashbacks. Cool! You'll have to name the vine after her ;^D
*********************************************
I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com
*********************************************
not more rules - but common sense & precautions
I know we spoke of this before - and I'm not intending to be negative or cast aspersions on anyone - but we do continue to have the issue of missing vines - and a pattern I've seen develop is that someone joins Dead.net and having only been a member for a day or two, signs up for every vine available - then dissapears. (or becomes overwhelmed & doesn't track what they signed up for). We saw this with FadDad82, Billy S, and a couple of others that I can't recall at the moment. We may not be able to prevent that - but we can keep an eye out for similar patterns. Anyway - the point i want to make here is that while this is a free & beautiful thing we have going on, it's up to us to be vigilant - so go ahead and make that decision to skip people who are known to have dissapeared with other vines, or who aren't responding. PK - don't appologise - it definitely is up to you (and all of us) to decide to skip them when it makes sense - I really appreciate the way that MarkInTheDark and others have stepped up lately - This thing is what we make it - and while I continue to preach no hard feelings, I can't help but say - "Don't send that vine to someone who already has disapeared with 5 others". - it's just common sense. Thanks
Vines
Im always up for re-seeding vines that I have and have since gone missing (audio disc's only, becuase of my lack of a dvd burner). I will usually need awhile to do it though. So let me know if I can help with any of them.
Peace,
Trevor
"You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."
transient viners
hmm I see the problem. Maybe we should encourage all new people to introduce themselves on the Meet the Viners forum. Folks who take the trouble to do that and say a little about themselves are maybe more community minded and less likely to kidnap vines.
I still notice confusion
with some of the new viners not sure how to sign up , maybe the vining instructions should be moved to the header of the vineyard itself instead of under new vines 09 ,. just a thought . good night folks ..
There's one new guy that sure knows how to sign up!
He's signed on to *all* the vines tonight. Hell, when I started I only signed up on five or six a night before I felt like a pig and quit (actually, my fingers got tired).
That's OK, seems like a decent 'head upgrading his tape stash, and if he messes up we can just hunt him down and throw him in the wood chipper like we did the last guy ;^)
MarkinthewaywayDark
PS As long as we're all here, can I (or somebody) go ahead and delete Billy S from any vines his name is still on? I've been moving him to the end of lists as he comes up, but with all the new folks showing up since the ticket-sale-population-boom maybe it would be better if BS just disappeared. There's a couple of other "known to be no longer vining" names that could also be edited out, I think. Perhaps we can compare notes and vote or something.
*********************************************
I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com
*********************************************
all the vines at once?
I think that is too much to keep up with unless he doesn't work. That is putting a lot of seeders and reseeders and viners work on one person to carry through with and keep up with in a short time frame. Would someone be willing to write him a pm and ask if he knows what he is getting into? Maybe he does and that is cool but then again that is a lot to take on if he is new to vining. .He could be getting like 20 vines or so a week at some point. We have a large backlog.
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake
sure take his name off
5 vines gone and no contact.go for it MarkintheDark
If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.
William Blake