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    This page has been really great for communicating with Egyptians on the streets directly. Not to mention 860,000 more peace-loving citizens of the world: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/event.php?eid=126197157451259 ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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    Mubarak leaves cairo with family
    8;05am, EST -- Unofficial Report Mubarak and family did the slinky and left Cairo in the early hours of the morning. Good Riddance Hosni. Now, the Palestinians and Israelis. Jordanians and Yememnese. Let us hope the Yememnese go secular and knock the New Mexican off his perch El-Awalocki. This is unconformed and unofficial.
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    Grant ptoposals
    There is currently no money out there for grants to save the tiger from poachers who sell to the illicit "medicine" to the Chinese and other markets. The fear of tigers in Nepal is a long-standing tradition. There is even an old board game where you move tigers and goats around. The last animal left wins. So villagers protecting their goats will always kill the tigers. "Baghchall" is the name of the game. Even with the money, as you know, it would be long, uphill fight to dsop the profit motive and primal fear of the tiger. Big cats do abound in the Himalaya though.. Snow leopards and such are plentiful in Bhutan and along the mountain barrier between the Himalayan countries. One understands the primal fear of the villagers as opposed to the profit motive of poaching for pseudo medicinal parts. I will concede that even with grant money it would be a long, long uphill battle to stop the deliberate hunting of tigers. Scientists and NGO are not well respected in Nepal. They tend to take the majprity of the grant money and run around the the Kathmandu Valley in SUVs,
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    Progress report please Mr.Lamagonzo?
    On October 1st, 2010 lamagonzo said: re: Tigers in the Himalaya "What I meant was I need to talk to some experts, academic and otherwise, for a couple of months and write a coupe of grant proposals that have a 75% or better shot of working before I can even BEGIN the project." How did that go, did your idea ever come to fruition? Were you able to stop the illicit trade of endangered tiger species yet? How far have you gotten in "choking off the trade in illicit tiger parts"? Inquiring minds want to know! TIA
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    Mubarak defiantly stays
    Here comes the blood-bath. The mood in the Square has turned ugly. The escalation into violence by the army is unquestionable. He could have done the noble thing and took a flight into exile but at 82 years old, with billions of dollars of US aid in foreign bank accounts, he chose to debase himself. The rest of the foreign nations of the Middle East in turmoil want time to turn this thing around and may have emboldened Mubarak. That is almost certainly the case. The US trained the middle and upper echelons of the Egyptian army and now we are standing with egg on out face. Freedom and liberty? Think again Obama! The angry mob is ready to riot and it doesn't matter where the money came from or who trained the army/ ~ You can't depend on your family You can't depend on your friends You can't depend on a beginning You can't depend on an end You can't depend on intelligence You can't depend on a god You can only depend on one thing You need a Busload of Faith to get by You can depend on the worst always happening You can depend on a murderer's drive ~
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    Egyptian Army to rule behind VP Sulman
    The Army is pushing in on Tahrir Square and has just made it known that they will be in control behind the VP Sulman. If the Square doesn't clear after Mubarak's speech stepping down, expected within the hour, the army may use force to clear the square. Could be a blood=bath as the protesters don't trust Sulman. How will 200,000 ordinary Egyptians speak with one voice? May peace prevail in the coming hours in Egypt.!
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    Mubarak to make announcement
    Tairare Square has been cordoned off with tanks and razor wire with about 200,000 people locked in with no escape. Mubarak may allow the military to take over and let it crack down in the name of "violating the military curfew". The hand of the Saudi and Israel is in this now. As Egypt goes, so goes the Middle East.. El Baradai, former Nobel Peace Prize winner in 2005 should take over and appoint a cabinet with the military firmly under his hand. ~ The shit has his the fan ~
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    The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
    As was said on the news tonight from the square (Tairare?) in Egypt, "The Revolution Is Now". It is do or die for those souls as they know the secret police routinely tortures people, so routinely that the US set up a rendition operation there. The US & Obama are pushing from one side for Mubarak to get the fuck of Dodge while the House of Saud and Bebe are "Whoa, Slow the fuck down here!" Meanwhile the Somali's pirated another tanker. Anarchy is such a merry adventure! (When it doesn't effect you, that is) Is Superman around? Can we ring-up the bat cave on the cell?
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    Unfolding situation in the Middle East
    With popular demonstrations and announcements from Egypt continuing (the newest news being the VP may be the ruler of an interim cabinet) the fuse has been lit as Badger outlined more eloquently than I. The King of Jordan had dissolved his parliament. The president of Yemen has decided not to "run" again. Lebanon is a mess having more to do with other things but still in turmoil. Demonstrations have been planned in Syria where an entire city had been leveled some 20-odd years ago. Sudan and Algeria are showing signs of unrest. Iran is seething and looking for a way to vent it's frustration at the Mullahs. As Lilly pointed out, this will not end in all extremist Islamic governments. Rather, a vacuum is about to filled by people other than those whom have helped to power. This is a seriously scary situation. Just speculation of oil not going through the Suez canal has raised prices 5-10 cents per gallon (more profit for the oil companies.) What of Saudi Arabia and Israel in this mess? Both huge power brokers. And the US continues to mass resources, more private mercenaries than trained coalition armies in the region, to deal with matters other than this. This will be a process unfolding over a long period of time with flare-ups sure to happen. More than ever talks between a coalition and the Iranian government on the peaceful use of nukes are important and must move forward. I suppose WE don't need to worry, living as we are thousands of miles away, but again, as Badger said, it was the Western nations (and the Kingdom of Saud) who put this god-awful mess together from 1947-1980. We bear responsibility for this and if some madman from Lebanon lobs a nuke bought in Minsk at Tel Aviv we better pray it doesn't start a conflagration we can't contain. This is more dangerous than people realize. The Bible Prophecy freaks must be going ape-shit right now. Wish I could just turn off the news but I feel like a deer unable to turn away from the headlights.
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that vision of 1984. The govt has it's hooks in the auto industry, financial systems, and soon our health care.....of course, this is just my opinion, but I'm more than a little worried......they don't need to know what I buy, nor how much, nor what I do with my money. The mandated digital TV is part of it. I looked at the back of a portable I bought recently and it had stamped on the info/serial number plate "must accept interfering signals". Traffic cameras, red light cameras...... Our complacency and trust in the administration is gonna be our downfall.... Go ahead, tell me I'm just paranoid.
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It is coming true and there is nothing we can do about it!!!!!! you can run but you cant hide from it.
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but to give up because chevron got a court order, suppose its easy to be critical sitting here in my warm and humble abode just expected more.I have been a member of greenpesce for years and will always support them.
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I did my civic service yesterday. At about 3:15 pm yesterday, having not yet been called into a courtroom, I was thinking that either the day was gonna time out before I got hauled into a trial (1 day service complete, so my obligation would be fulfilled), or they'd pull us in late and who knows how many days that might turn into? One more, minimum. At 4:15 I was Juror #1 for about 20 minutes in an assault trial. After his questions to us, the prosecutor cut loose Jurors #1 and #9. My guess is that it was because we were the only two to recount negative experiences with police officers, which presumably might color our opinion of the police testimony in the trial (my negative experience consisted of listening to a cop lying on the witness stand, so not a bad call by the DA). The judge, in asking if there was anyone who could not serve the following day, was kind enough to point out that anyone that he might excuse would be rescheduled for jury duty for the week of Oct 25, when a capital murder case was on the docket (2-week trial...). There were no takers...
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are you implying that a police person would lie in a court of law.....
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lol
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To a question posed by an officer of the court. I did point out that the affair took place 25 yrs ago, but apparently the prosecuter didn't want to take that chance that I'd still be bitter about the actions of that cop a quarter century later.
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I am trying to understand this article, as finance is definately out of my field of expertise-but what I can comprehend is that if true, this is very very bad! http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100007777/s… ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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"The dangers of tipping into a debt compound trap – as described by Irving Fisher in Debt-Deflation Theory of Great Depresssions in 1933 – outweigh the risk of an expanded money stock catching fire and setting off an inflation surge later. Debt deflation is a toxic process that can and does destroy societies as well as economies. You do not trifle with it. But deliberately creating inflation “consistent” with the Fed’s mandate – implicitly to erode debt – is another matter. Nor can this be justified at this particular juncture. M3 has been leveling out. M2 has begun to rise briskly. The velocity of money has picked up. The M1 monetary mulitplier has jumped. We have a very odd world. The IMF has doubled its global growth forecast to 4.5pc this year, and authorities everywhere have ruled out a serious risk of a double dip recession. Yet at the same time the Bank of Japan has embarked on unsterilised currency intervention, which amounts to stimulus, and both the Fed and the Bank of England are signalling fresh QE. You can’t have it both ways. If the US is not in deep trouble, the Fed should not be thinking of extra QE. It should step back and let the economy heal itself, if necessary enduring several years of poor growth to purge excess leverage. Yes, U6 unemployment is 16.7pc. But as dissenters at the Minneapolis Fed remind us, you cannot solve a structural unemployment crisis with loose money. Fed is trying to conjure away the hangover from the last binge (which Greenspan/Bernanke caused, let us not forget), as if to vindicate its prior claim that you can always clean up painlessly after asset bubbles. Are the Chinese right? Are the Americans and the British now so decadent that they will refuse to take their punishment, opting to default on their debts by stealth?" Article by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard alluded to by Lilly. Now my take: I am no an economist but my simplistic view is that you can't erode debt with deflation with the possibility of setting off a prairie fire of inflation. Our medicine is a couple of decades of unemployment hovering around 20% to preserve this generation's greed grab -- till the next generation devises their wealth grab from the producers (poor workers). Anybody care to meet me for a beer at The Haymarket in Chicago next Saturday Night?
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...the Dead as Master marketers because they let their fans trade tapes free. What a crock! I would submit you have TO LIKE the band in the first place. The truth is: 1) The Dead never had a #1 hit 2) LSD 3) Magic Mushrooms As usual with everything else with the Grateful Dead, it became successful through ass-backwards anarchy. What a shuck to make money!! (The book, that is)
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to create new safety division in wake of spill this will improve risk management and safety said a bp spokesperson. A bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
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you are kiddin me is this an actual article and if so can you send the link gonz pleeeeze.I beleive they made big money after touch of grey/built to last but im sure none of it was planned.Markerteers lol they built this big bestie wall of sound thing and then realized it was too big to transport and cost to much. marketeers my arse.
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Goes nowhere....?
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site currently not being served by convio.......??
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All gone
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... from the USA nationally syndicated program "All Things Considered" which has a segment in the morning called "Morning Marketplace Report" which has no URL (I think) because as it is overwhelmingly listener funded, you have to be a member to receive the morning pod cast once trhe segment has gone live from 6:50am to 7:00am Mon-Fri.. I could be wrong about that, but in any case this is real and I don't have a way to access it. Sorry, it is worth a listen just for the sophmorpic masters thesis quality of it (the commentators kind of alluded to the whole thing being quite inane).
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this is actually a pretty common subject; it all started with a Forbes article when Jer was still alive, I think, and I'm personally acquainted with at least one prominent biz school professor who's talked and written about this a lot. The recognition that allowing tape trading was excellent marketing is hardly controversial in my book. Marketing, properly done, is just good matchmaking.
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This is about the conservation act of 2010 and in particular about tigers who are in danger of becoming extinct,partly due to habitat destruction but mainly due to certain eastern countries using there body parts mainly for medicinal purposes.We should all support this cause.
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for summarizing my link for me. And yes we should all support this cause. As I wish to support my kid turning into an animal activist in front of my eyes-I LOVE it!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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...(Tape trading as marketing ploy), I would assert that you have to have a motivation to begin with -- which I feel safe to say in this case, especially the Dead, never did, They were always known as never having had it together commercially in any way, forget about scheming to trade tapes to hype the band. Witness the Grateful Dead Movie, losses from which kept them almost constantly on the road for 18 months (lucky us, poor them). Beyond that, it was the true Grateful dead Music Lovers then, and especially today, who were/are the continuation of the tapers/viners. Then there were those who were mutant-hybrid combination's, like myself, that threw psychedelics and radical politics into the mix (and whatever else was in the kitchen sink). ~ Long live the Grateful Dead! ~
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look at the multigenerational culture they've built up, fueled in large part by those tapes. Or FLACs, as the case may be. Look at the people who show up to see sixtysomethings play. Marketing is about something a bit more complex than the benjamins. It's about creating win-win situations when it works right. Even when benjamins are involved.
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I'm willing to concede you may have a point! ~ Long stop the Grateful Dead! ~
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i beleive jerry said we can have the music after they played it this is how the tapers section was born and even written into there warner bros? contract.It was a free thing like the free shops/clinics etc set up by the diggers an act of kindness not marketing.
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i am passionate about this cause tigers are beautiful and complex animals,recently there was a documentry shown about tigers in the himalayas,thease guys were trying to film them but only found one,they have moved further up the mountains and are in danger of disapearing completely oh dear im getting angry again arrrrrrggggghhhhh.
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are beautiful and complex, and must survive in their natural habitat. My kid is about ready to fly off to the Himalayas and stalk poachers, but we have settled on the compromise of donating half of her allowance to wildlife fund to protect them.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Most of the world's surviving tigers are high in the Himalaya, like around 15 thousand feet, a place where human beings are relatively rare. They have complex systems of trails and one male tiger may roam more than 500 miles in establishing an area where a mate may be found (sounds like some deadheads I know from West Texas). Most of those high Himalayan Tigers are found in the last Buddhist Kingdom left in the world, Bhutan, where the animals are protected by royal decree. Trade in exotic animals like tiger parts is extremely lucrative and hard to stop at poor crossroads like the Kathamandu Valley. I just had a great idea for choking off the trade in illicit tiger parts. More on that later, but, thanks Lilly. You may have given me an idea for my life's work for the next ten years or so... I hope it is very effective.
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well can't wait to know what your idea is, and be sure you have at least two strong supporters!!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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I'm not one to throw fairy dust. I'd be be sure to have at least 2 NGOs to monetarily and administratively oversee me. No flights of fancy. Just enough of an idea (at least) to chuck money at and have more than a reasonable chance of success with something to build upon. Sorry to be so cryptic but give it a month or two to gel and the you'll see why. In the meantime, if you have any ideas about snuffing out Tiger penis envy among the less educated oriental cultures, I'm all ears! ~ Just a saint of circumstance, Just a tiger in a trance ~
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Do you really think you can change an ancient cultural tradition at the snap of your fingers? I agree it's not good that they take the endangered species, but sadly, there will always be a demand. I remember when Condaliza Rice stated the she was going to the Middle East and she would get it all straightened out in a matter of weeks. This feud has been going on for THOUSANDS of years, it's not going to be solved quickly or easily, and neither is the black market trading animal parts. More arrogance, anyone?
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Attempting to make a difference is not arrogant, but putting down someone for trying certainly is. I'm gonna paraphrase here....all that it takes for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.
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Think you need to read just a teenzie bit closer before you flame my idea I haven't even yet espoused. Though perhaps I was unclear in the phrasing. What I meant was I need to talk to some experts, academic and otherwise, for a couple of months and write a coupe of grant proposals that have a 75% or better shot of working before I can even BEGIN the project. If you're writing under a pseudonym, ratsnkats, care to let us in on who you are??
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Gonzo is anything but arrogant!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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As always Rene...luv ya...and I would think it's obvious that what brother Gonz is proposin' is a work in progress, not set in stone, though I do concede that ratsnkats has a right to his opinion, miscued as it may be (be it noted that that is only MY opinion, of course).
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as Gonzo said, what is wrong is having a negative opinion before even knowing what Gonzo's contemplating! That is NOT OK!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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wagwagwagwagwagwagwagwagwag...
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I could write a lot about tigers since I have been involved on and off in tiger conservation for 15 years. 12 years ago at the Year of the Tiger conference in Dallas we were shocked that there were just 7000 left in the wild. Now the latest Year of the Tiger conference announced there are a maximum of 3500..so half have gone in a decade. The unrelenting demand for tiger products from China is undeniable and will lead to their extinction in the wild in the next 30-50 years. I despair at the selfish publicity of the ‘discovery ‘of those tigers in Bhutan. 10 years ago we made similar discoveries in SW Cambodia…tiger signs were common and sightings quite regular. Within 2 years the middle men and traders moved in and the slaughter began. Now there may be just 10 left there. All the publicity about Bhutan will kick off the same process…I wish they had just kept quiet. If you have a new idea Gonzo I am really glad because folks are running out of ideas. The best tiger conservation going on now is in Sumatra where teams of brave guards patrol tiger habitat 24/7 and finally the government has started prosecuting not just the poor people who do the poaching, but also the middle men and big shots who drive the trade. Now even the World Bank has got on the Tiger Conservation Trail, trying to mobilise governments and business to get involved...take a look at their new site http://www.globaltigerinitiative.org/ it has a lot of facts and figures. All good stuff, but the best hope at the moment is committed protection in the places where tigers hang on.
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There should be a way to fund the "brave guards who patrol" directly. I bet if there was a bit of a salary involved, more local people might be inspired to patrol and help protect tigers. Or we set up a camp locally with a bunch of volunteers to do it. I guess this is risky and dangerous-but I would do it! And my kid :)********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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I am thinking of finding a couple of NGOs like from the Japanese (strangely enough they might want to throw some cash in the way of their whale fiascoes) and from the Australians and perhaps the Dutch or Germans or Swedes or Norwegians -- maybe the old-line US environmental's too. Even a budget of ten milion dollars could put a sizable force on the ground in Bhutan, Nepal, Sikkhim and Darjeeling, plus a few surrounding areas. The problem is corruption. If this had huge fanfare to start with & government support in total it would only take about a year for the poachers to get back to work, their very grisly work -- which, I might add, is NOT nonviolent. Not least of all from the tiger's side, though they (the tigers) seem to have more justification than anybody else. Even if funding could be kept constant, the voracious Chinese demand for "medical" parts, with very little scientific evidence on the "medical", would be almost impossible to abate without starting some wildly untrue rumor like "all Asian tigers have aids." You start to see the problems involved here and despair is a byproduct. Imagination may be the key. Bright thinkers with keen incite - C'mon, know you're out there. Just another tiger in a trance looking for a St. of Circumstance
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Saving tigers is truly a worthwhile cause. And in the meantime-the notorious kung-fu kicker DeJong (outrageous kick at Spain's Alonso) has been dropped from the Dutch national team for at least 2 games, for breaking a player from Newcastle's leg. The 2nd player's leg that this brute DeJong has broken. He made me ruin a perfectly good flyswatter, and kudos to the Dutch national team coach for making this decision. ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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The work of the tiger protection teams in Central Suamtra has actually led to an increase in tiger numbers there. They do amazing work. You can find out more and how you can help at http://www.fauna-flora.org/2010_tiger.php WIldlife Alliance is working on direct proteciton of tigers and other wildlife in Cambodia. http://www.wildlifealliance.org/forest-protection/ Wildaid do great work on trying to stop the wildlife trade in Asia http://www.wildaid.org/index.asp?CID=1
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previously i am passionate about this cause and GONZ i will support and help with anything you have in mind keep me updated.
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desperatly to ignore your post ratsnkatz......
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Convoys of Americsan fuel trucks are being struck regularly at a Paki-Afghan border point while several groups of terrorists are are stalking the streets of Europe with automatic weapons and grenades, waiting for the opportunity to create a Mumbai style incident (started, incidentally, by a renegade CIA officer in Mumbai). I would say it safe to say that things are moderately to very moderately out-of-control - by anybody's estimate. I think it's time to say that there is nothing to be done here except, in coalition with US allies, use WMD to show we ain't fucking around anymore. Which is, of course, an unacceptable option for sane people.