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    When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.

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  • marye
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    well said badger
    this self-determination thing, it's not just for us...
  • TigerLilly
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    how bout the students who voluntarily stood in front of the National History museum, to protect it from looters. Act of peaceful civil courage, if you ask me.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
  • TigerLilly
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    You said it better! Excellent point puroshaggy. ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
  • cosmicbadger
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    what price liberty?
    In the 1960s the US and its allies supported nasty strong man leaders all across SE Asia and S America to protect their access to primary resources and to prevent the spread of communism. Millions suffered from the resulting abuses…people enslaved to protect the interests of Western democracies. In the last 20 years the policy has been the same for the Arab states. Sell us oil, leave Israel alone and we will pay you and you can do what you like to your own people. The uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt appear to be borne out of frustration with oppression and are definitely not Islamic revolutions. Of course the extreme Islamists will try to take advantage, but in both those countries by far the majority of ordinary people are not extremists. They are just like folks everywhere else. The most effective way to open the doors to radical Islam is to send in our boys to teach them democracy at gunpoint. Let these people determine their own futures even if you don’t like what they choose. Is that not the liberty that is so dear to Americans and the West, or is that liberty only issued in a limited edition?
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    The most amazing thing about what is going on in Egypt- especially in light of the US's recent spat of "second amendment remedies" and gun violence (Tuscon, Detroit, college campuses across the country)- is the remarkable absence of guns and weapons on the streets. Yes, there is looting and people are having to defend their property with weapons- but the protestors, on the streets, are NOT waving guns or firing shots in the air. Violence and destruction are occurring, but considering the widespread protesting, AND considering the fact that the US media loves to hype up all violence to the point of distortion, I think that what we are seeing in Egypt is pretty remarkable.Compare this with Glenn Beck's rhetoric and Palin's crosshairs and the gun hysteria we have here. When (not IF) the day comes when people get fed up and take the streets here in the US, I doubt we are going to witness widespread protests as peaceful as Egypt's.
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    Maybe s Lilly
    But this is a as historical as bringing the Berlin Walla tumbling Down, so far. tt is the pent up frustration of a diverse crowd and you have to wonder why Iraq, Iran & Afghanistan didn't go this way. And Billary issuing orders to other people's armies to stand down in the face of popular protest. Now what exactly is the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter?? Oh, a freedom fighter uses a kindler, gentler shrapnel bomb -- Yeah, that must be it!
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    What's radically Islam bout this guy?? http://www.hindustantimes.com/ElBaradei-Egypt-s-emerging-patriot/Articl… ********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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    Gonzo-Egypt won't necessarily become more radically Islamic-85% of the population are against having a fundamentalist govt. BUT I guess it depends on what happens internally, and how much the West meddles, etc.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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    Another take on Arab unrest
    Only Islamic countries that are friedly with the West are being brought dowh --Tunsia, Eqyi[y, Algeria, Jordan, Bahrain and others. A more unified radical Islam is is constituting itself.
  • zepthompson
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    check out this video
    my son-in-law is the store owner that is interviewed... http://www.azcentral.com/video/?bctid=756871629001
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