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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • UncleJon
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    Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .
  • Hal R
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    you can have WAV discs with itunes
    Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree
  • fluffhead042
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    i agree....
    for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • stuman
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    I hav`nt noticed difference
    in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..
  • fluffhead042
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    I recommend...
    switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    I tried TLH
    It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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I will add the Warlocks shows from Oct. 8-9 '89. Plus.... I have most of 81 if you all need help with whatever it is you are thinking about! Raymond 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89
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You guys all rock! Such a kind place here =) I PMed Dan asking what shows he was really craving and he said he that any shows would be appreciated and he was totally overwhelmed by everyone's kindness. But he did mention RFK 6/9 and 6/10 1973 so I'll add those. =) 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This site is fubar. I think I tried 30 times to log-in, and about as many times to get to the forum. Sumpin' [sic] is going on. Is there anybody out there?
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There's like 5 million people trying to access the site so they can **gasp** get a hold of a **gasp** free download of a song. And then of course they can turn around and bitch about it all. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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There are 464 profiles/users at deadnet at this very moment. Holy crap. The average (mean) way back a few weeks ago was like 10 to 20. I checked a few profiles, and all the one's I checked had been activated exactly 1 week ago +/- a few hours or a day. What in the world? Are they all here for the freebies? I have had more trouble accessing pages and logging in today. Is it a bandwith issue? We here at the super secret vineyard need to prepare for a population boom once folks start figuring out what we are up to. This could be mass chaos...;-) Look what happend to Dodge City in the late 1800s and urban sprawl today. :-)
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I'm gonna do a 2-part JGB 76 vine (with the help of the first few people to sign up, for WAV), but I will wait until December, both because I am working a lot over the next couple weeks and because I'm certain Marye is very busy with the contest. Hold on for a little longer and it will be here. I don't think it is a great year, and there are some duds (early in the year the music is played TOOOO SLOWWWW), but there are plenty of VERY GOOD shows. The ones I will vine are worth getting excited about.
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I couldn't log on for days. The facebook free download schtick has inundated the site. Not surprisingly, the powers that be were woefully unprepared. I am sending Dan the two 1976 shows from the Beacon. New list: 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I am sending out shows from '69, '70, '73, '77, and '78. (Sent today.) New list: 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 Dan's list, what a wonderful idea, ADA! Hope these shows help to brighten your days, Dan. I feel better already. ;o} We wouldn't know the light without the dark. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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An Oroboros sighting!
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New list:3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 7-6-84 7-7-84 8-16-87 10/08/89 10/09/89 7-6 & 7-7 1984 and a 8-16-87.....way to go all!!!
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I have a mandolin (Yank Rachell model Harmony) with a backstage pass that reads StaffDawg eat Dawg 5-5-94 The Warfield. Jerry and David played there that night. Any of you there that night? Any Photos? This instrument has been an ongoing mystery to me since I purchased it 12 years ago. The great mando mystery. Any ideas would be helpfull. Thanx
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I'd suggest posting this in the In Search of Info topic. The Vineyard is certainly a hotbed of knowledge, but this may be a bit afield from vining.
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Why does a SHN/FLAC source sometimes have an xxxxx ending (such as 81.01.01.sbd.miller.xxxxx)? Is xxxxx used when a number has not yet assigned? Did the person I received this show from download it as soon as it became available (or someone he got it from did)? Is the sbd.miller.xxxxx the EXACT same as the subsequent sbd.miller.11111? I tend to think that a number has not yet been assigned but the seeder wanted to get the source out there so they uploaded it without a number, and there are no changes in the xxxxx version and the subsequent numbered version. Thanks!
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You are absolutely correct about the pending shn id #.... Raymond
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Hey viners! One band I am very lacking in is the Who. Are there any shows circulating out there? I'd trade with ya if you have some!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Dan Lampinski recorded the Who in 75. I have the show and both it and the sound quality are excellent. I think though that the show was still on my hard drive, and not yet burned onto DVD, when my last computer died. I'll check though.
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I have 12/14/75. Looking for more? Alice Cooper would be pretty cool indeed! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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some Alice Cooper, not much but am willing to start or contribute to a vine. The shows are in wav though. I have a May '78 show and an August '08 show if anyone is interested.
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Longrifle was asking me about re-seeding Phil's Free Sounboards Vines. I checked and all 3 parts were last seen with Ursa about 7 months ago. The issue with re-seeding these is that in total there are 12 DVD's with well over 40GB of music. That's kind of a tall order for a re-seed. Could anyone help me and better yet has anyone heard from Ursa? "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I used to live in Chicago and have a soft place for the windy city. More than that, this is the reason that I hang out with youse guys - to help a fellow soul in need of some music. I will send along the following: 4/17/72 11/17/73 11/20/73 9/16/78 10/30/83 and I thought it would be nice to throw in a Jerry show too JGB 8-29-87 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 4/17/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 11/17/73 11/20/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 9/16/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/30/83 7-6-84 7-7-84 8-16-87 10/08/89 10/09/89 JGB 8-29-87 7-6 & 7-7 1984 and a 8-16-87.....way to go all!!! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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JackStraw, I'm a Who fan and have worked for a few years now to try and find the best Who shows and would be willing to vine the Who if there is enough interest. Pete Townshend's talent often goes under appreciated I think. And who (!) can't help but love the manic drumming style of Keith? Even my 12 year old daughter loves Keith! Entwhistle too was a standout on bass - take a close listen sometime. And, Daltrey's vocals are classic - Talkin' bout my g-g-g-generation...! The other day I was watching clips of Monterey Pop and the Isle of Wight - the Who really were at the top of their game. "Who"se interested? Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I would sign up for a Who vine.
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Absolutely!!! Thanks a lot for the consideration unclejon!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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would dig a Who vine! If it were anything like your Zep vine, it would be awesome! Live at Leeds, the Woodstock and Monterey tunes and the disc that accompanies Who's Next are all that I know (I haven't heard the Isle of Wight). Bring it UJ! " Where does the time go? "
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Folsom Field 1989? Ahhh what a night!! Seriously though I'd be a happy camper with a Who vine! We wont get fooled again!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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to JackStrawfromColorado for his winning guees in yesterdays 30 days of Dead
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I'm working on the Who vine - I hope to have it together by this weekend. I love putting a vine like this together because I get to go back and relisten to some of my favorite music. I hope y'all like it when ya' get it! IHowever, I'm experiencing a slight delay due to the need to take the kids to a premier of Harry Potter tomorrow in San Francisco. JackStraw nice job on Folsom Field 1989... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Me friend thought it would be funny to dose me at the cincy show. Luckily My schedule was open. I later found out that it was some album cover or something. I'm sorry people but this stuff was weak compared to what we were used to in 1990. I was wondering if anyone knows about this weak stuff? Maybe i ruined myself. Maybe it wasnt LSD?Just wondering what they gave me. Most importantly the show was excellent!!
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Maybe you are in the wrong forum..... ;-)
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UncleJon, how were the Deathly Hallows?
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My 12 year old gave it a 8/10. It seemed a bit slow in parts as they were careful to follow the book. There was an embellishment or they could've done without. Overall, very enjoyable and they've set up the finale for next July quite nicely. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Went to see Furthur Sat night at Madison Square Garden. Only 31 years after seeing the boys there for the first time. It's certainly not the same, but I had a really terrific night. Stood near Bill Walton, great energy from the crowd, killer setlist, tight playing, Phil dropping bombs all night.... Funny story: Two girls were sitting next to me. They were young enough to my daughter. They were bitchin about the music all night. Suddenly the band plays the opening chords to Dark Star and i say "Well, you cant still be disappointed, they are going into Dark Star." They say Dark Star sucks and LEAVE!!! What a waste of 19th row tickets on two idiots! Of course, after Dark Star they missed St. Stephen, TOO. The 11, Death Don't have no Mercy, Franklin's!!!!!! What a set. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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It feels like the newbies go to be cool with no clue about anything else that goes on. Unfortunately, as you state, they are the ones who snatch up all the good tickets. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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more dancing room for you!
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More room for me and Bill Walton to dance! "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I'm sure all of us who got cranky about the 1987 newbies are cracking up at the familiar tale. And yet I suspect a bunch of those folks who were completely clueless until the band played Touch of Grey are still with us! And the ones that aren't, too bad for them! From what I hear from those who were around in the earlier days, this is somewhat ongoing. I'm sure I made the more knowledgeable groan from time to time. It'll be interesting to see which of these first-timers stick around, and why. But yeah, this is especially aggravating when people who really do love the band have been shut out!
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...all the years combine... Many people have seen this list developing in these pages over the past month and I thought that I'd take a minute to let everyone know that I'm Dan and that this list was developed out of my request on another forum here for some shows, since the circumstances of my life forced me to lose the recordings that I had and currently prevent me from acquiring any new ones via computer.I'll spare you the details, though I'm not ashamed of them(I'd relate them to anyone interested via PM), it's just not the point of this post. The point here is to publicly acknowledge and thank the kind spirit and generosity of the members here who heard my call and answered it, without condition or reservation of any kind. That's the spirit of the continuing thread of those who really hear the music, the "unbroken chain", as it were. The addresses on the packages that have arrived continue to reflect that indeed "we are everywhere". As I continue to receive shows from people,the importance of the intention of the people sending the music is as important as the music itself. So, at this time of thanksgiving, I give thanks for being part of the dead community for the last 38 years and thanks especially for all the members who have taken so much time to reach out to me in the last month or so. All your efforts have truly touched my heart. Thanks, Dan
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I hope we have been able to "ease the pain." Its good to know that Deadheads are still amongst the coolest people in the world. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I just sent mine out today, but it's good to know a brother has been helped. Really warms the heart this time of the year. Kudos to all, and to all enjoy the friends and family this time of the year. Happy Thanksgiving my brothers and sisters.........
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Is there anyone here still signing up for vines that only does WAV and does not do SHN/FLAC? It seems to me that most of the WAVers have either dropped out of the Vineyard or converted. I don't want to bother wasting time burning WAV discs if they aren't needed. If WAVers are still here and signing up for vines, please post and I will be more than happy to continue including WAV cd's with most of my vines.
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what happened to Birdsong1969NJ? I know he has been vining for awhile and i noticed that there are some newer vines that got sent to him and have been immobile since. I don't think he would have killed any considering he was active couple months back after not being around for couple months cause i sent him a vine.
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once you go "flac," you never go back. I copy the flac dvds for archive storage and then burn CDRs off and on as time permits. I have not heard from birdsongNJ.
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Signing up for many vines at once. First of all welcome to the vineyard! Second, from experience, it is really easy to get overwhelmed when 2-3 vines a day start hitting your mail box. Just a very friendly heads up! We have gone to great lengths to re-seed all the vines that have been lost in the recent months and it would be extremely sad to lose all these again. Also please remember that communication is our best tool here!! If issues arise just post so that we know the vines are still alive and where they are. Thanks and enjoy all the music!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Welcome to the Vineyard, a truly wonderful place. I echo JSFC's sentiments, but would add that it might be wise to send a pm before forwarding a vine. This helps to ensure that the next person is still active and checking his/her messages. Unfortunately, some people come to the site, sign up for a number of vines, and then disappear from the site with a load of vines never to be heard from again. Peace, "That path is for, your steps alone."
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1 of the new guys here - actually first logged on to this site a couple years ago - just for the info at first. Been getting the dead.net emails for quite some time - but had to register to download the November goodies (thought I had already registered in the past). Well aware of the work that so many have put in and very appreciative! Thanks for the welcome. Wanted to pace myself - but the first few I signed up for seemed to be a month or more away - plus its kinda like the kid in the candy store, right. rest assured that I will be one of the responsible parties - and will post updates as has been asked of me. Thanks to all -zep. (just an online nickname based on my email addy)