Grateful Dead

"The west is the BEST..."

Just stating the facts, peeps. IMO, parochialism is not applicable to music. Music does not know, nor does it define any geographical boundaries. To do so, you show your naivety like that jackass writer did.

http://www.setlists.net/ Heres the numbers breakdown. I love being able to get this information it's just like a baseball team! 965 shows on the West Coast (AK,OR,WA,CA, although if you wanna take contiguous states then that number drops to 962 shows on the West Coast, 884 were in CA) 705 shows on the east coast (not including PA, if you consider PA a "coastal state" then that number goes up to 806 shows on the East Coast) I wouldn't say they were "primarily a West Coast band" more like primarily an American band, poor choice of words for sure as they are almost split evenly between the two coasts. If you divide the country by runoff from the Rocky Mountains or the Front Range and define that as West Coast - East Coast those numbers would change drastically and may fall to them being an Eastern half of the country band. But, if home is where the heart is, that's San Francisco. I know I left my heart there. I did find it interesting the GD never played Delaware according to The Setlist Program. Is that accurate, they played every state on the East Coast but Delaware?!

Delaware, literally, is a Philly "suburb" so that makes sense. Great send, direwulf. And cheers to your home state !!

there is never a wrong forum for extending prayers and good vibes to those we really could use them.thank you for doing so for the devastated families and other loved ones of the crash victims.

Anyone have a clue how the seat numbers are arranged in a section? i.e. are seats 1 and 2 on the left or right side of the section facing the field?

Hey prop, nothing like a shakedown grilled cheese, but don't knock the free range turkey on a spelt, rosemary focaccia smothered in organic cranberries and roasted gouda, that actually sounds really good.

It was SUPPOSED to just be some light humor... ..guess I failed on that one.

Not knocking it, sounds awesome, however, not REALLY what we used to live on...just worried shakedown will be a series of high priced SUVs backed up in a row with the tailgate down and...well yuppy, not hippy... :/ As for the west coast / east coast thing, may ruffle some feathers here, but being Canadian, I feel it needs to be said, as long as you two can play in the same sandbox and not pull any guns (I have a feeling there will be some responsible gun owners here...) :D and to quote John Favreau from Swingers, "didn't you see boyz in the hood? Now one of us is going to get shot!" (kidding guys, just playing around...) Dire Wolf, any stats on Canadian shows?...(hint - next to none)

this website has details of seat locations http://www.tickpick.com/soldier-field-seating-chart/ It says Seat number 1 is closest to the adjacent section with a higher section number.

Listening to some stuff from '70 when the guys were touring with the Allmans, anyone notice how Jerry started to play like Doo-wayne? Really picked up a lot of his nuances on that tour...a lot of great cross pollination then...ah to be alive and on the bus back then

Not related in any way...was at Watkins Glen, have the recording, remember nothing of it ....hell I was 14 for Chrissakes but.... Derek and the dominos Layla and other assorted love songs is my favorite recorded audio recording of all time,followed by Abbey Road side 2 then DSOTM then all the Dead...just wonder who else thinks Eric and Duane were the cats ass???? Stops me in my tracks....

Now see here is a dilemma, I agree with the "Clapton is God" statement when listening to Cream or Blind Faith - he needed Ginger in my mind to keep him in the groove; that is strictly my opinion since I never really liked his stuff after BF - got too 'deep' I think. Now, Duane was amazing, one of the most forgotten bestest gui-tarests to ever live. Love hearing the jams that the guys did on their tours. As Scully used to say, they worked well together, each band had two drummers and they had the same "mentality" as the Dead (read - LOVED drugs). That and they could jam for hours with the best of them (and did). Just amazed at how Jer outright lifted rifs from Duane in some of his jams...seems so un-Jerry, again, imo

Hey Layla and other assorted love songs was about Eric having his heart ripped out by his unrequited love Patti Boyd Harrison, aka Mrs George..... Having been there done that....I love/live that album....... Duane brought Eric out of his heroin haze to have enough clarity to record this masterpiece.....until he lapsed into alcoholism... As I see it in this instance Duane is God!!!!! Long live Duane Allman!!!!!

left to right. If on the left side facing the stage, low numbers are closer to the stage in each section. I imagine the opposite is true on the right side facing the stage.

By no means am I a SBD whore on LMA (I hate acronyms but here we are...) I gotta say the two shows at the Fillmore East 02-14-1970 with the Allmans were ones to be at...Sorry Klang, most of their best shows were in the East. They just seemed on fire when they were in NY...even Phil said so. Granted the run right before that at the Fillmore West was also phenomenal...too bad there is almost no tape of the couple Feb shows, now the shows in June '69 were also amazing at the Fillmore West - you know the ones where Janis comes out and sings Lovelight with pigpen one night..really though, I gotta say the runs in the east were somehow, just amazing...

Quality and quantity East > West coast....

One of the best live musical marriages in epic concert history. Nuff said. Shit, there wasn't even a "jam band" category then - it was MUSIC.

Duane would be one of my top 5 guitarists. Clapton had his moments, but just cracks the top 20. The true hero of 'Layla' is Tom Dowd, who tracked & mixed the whole album. There are bits & pieces of the work floating around in unfinished and rough mixes... (The Smithsonian Folkways online collection is a good place to start). He had some great performances to start with, but the final result is much greater than the sum of the parts. I was at Watkins Glenn as a young pup too. Small planet... ;) Think I'm gonna subject the club to some 'Elizabeth Reed' as a sound check this eve.

Agree 100% the production of the finished product....far outshines the multitude of jams that led up to this album....it may not be the bees knees but imo it is clearly the cats ass!,,, That's enough for me....

Now I am not one comment on what should or should not be used as a soundcheck, but I would LOVE to hear the DS from this show (Fillmore East 02-14-1970) coming into a venue and waiting for the show to start - to quote a wannbe valley gurl I know 'it would be UH-MAZE-ING!' (wow I need to shower now)https://archive.org/details/gd1970-02-14.sbd.miller.97644.flac16

Lovin' the ABB kudos tonight... Echo....there is no parochialism to music. ps - shout out for the Feats too!!

Dixie Chicken... Feats don't fail me now!

So, I've never been, but...I'll be your Tennessee lamb!!

Was hoping to get a comment from Big Bill (Grateful Red) when he next drives his cycle past my home. As was the case with many other deadheads, I was shut out of mail order and ticket master tix for the Chicago shows. Perhaps this was fate working its magic and allowing me to save my scratch for the upcoming West Coast shows. After all, what reunion would be legitimate if it didn't somehow wind its way through the Bay Area? It has been very hard resisting paying ridiculous scalper prices for the Chicago tickets. And just as difficult waiting and waiting for the Levi Stadium announcement. As a member of the community, I thought I would pass this tidbit along that I just heard today. I'm told that the official announcement for the Santa Clara shows will not take place until the tickets for Phish at Shoreline go on sale. Ticketmaster shows Phish tickets for the Shoreline Phish show to go on sale Friday April 3rd. Good luck to all Left Coast deadheads. See you in the Bay Area!

A favorite bit of local lore -- when Little Feat visited Chicago in the 70's, Lowell George dropped in at (the once legendary) studios of WXRT on Belmont Avenue. One of the interns took him out, and got a great shot him leaning on the street-sign at the corner of Lowell & George. Ah, another musical soul leaving us way too soon. WXRT isn't dead yet, but it seems a zombie of its former self -- animate, but lifeless just the same.

http://www.dharmarose.com/deadbase/dbsearch.html DeadBase Online Search for "Canada" pulls up 30 shows. Not sure if there might be others with Canada abbreviated. Praying for Santa Clara to come true!

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Never forget your 1st. Even if my brain was to foggy to remember much of anything from that night. https://archive.org/details/gd88-03-27.sbd.jerugim.406.shnf

And the anniversary of Jerrys final Casey Jones....3/27/93..... I loved the 93 encore choices... breaking rocks in the hot sun..... Captain Trips doing his best Bobby Fuller Four imitation... Man when he was on he was so animated.... I miss Jerry....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161651880901?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPag… Only $10,000 from a 0 feedback seller! It went for $4200 plus fees online.

$10k starting bid, buy it now $15k. And yes, no feedbacks and just joined ebay, lol. I don't trust that one at all.

CID=Can't Include Dummies ....just sayin....don't be a dummy.

At least you still have ebay buyer protection. If it gets me a reasonably priced ticket I will buy from a 0 feedback. But I am still just a poor ticketless schmuck who's avatar won't change and so far, not my luck either. But happy Friday everyone! Hope your day goes well...

just saw an article, USA today I think, stub hub reports: original price $95.00-$195.00, average resale $899.00 1 day$1650.00 3 day, high $15,000 for 2 3 day pits.......

Having been a Clapton fanatic, in addition to my Dead fanaticism, from the mid-80s to mid-90s (he lost me in 1998 with his stinker album Pilgrim), I can say that Layla is one of my top five favorite studio albums. To me, that album is perfection and Dowd did indeed do amazing work. I believe the first three tracks from I Looked Away through Keep on Growing were recorded before Duane arrived-- love those tracks. But once Duane shows up, let it rip! D&D was a fantastic band-- Bobby Whitlock, Carl Radle and Jimmy Gordon are underrated. The first Layla box set that came out in the early 90s has a really fine mix and a cd titled Jams-- five 10-20 minute jams playing on different themes. Beautiful stuff, including a couple with Gregg Allman and some others of the ABB. The D&D Live at the Fillmore two-disc set is also one of my favorite sets of music. Just a correction to EC's timeline rgr... it was during the Layla sessions that heroin was really introduced to Clapton's scene. D&D fell apart after the tour and attempt at album #2, that is when EC went into his heroin cave for a couple years.

That listing was removed by Ebay!!! Not ended or sold, but removed. This listing (161651880901) has been removed, or this item is not available. Please check that you've entered the correct item number Listings that have ended 90 or more days ago will not be available for viewing.

I think that this question I posted to that seller had some effect. The listing seems "removed" not "sold" Fore everyone CID has to approve these transfers, they are not necessarily going to approve them. CID may respond if we pressure them. Also EBAY does not allow reselling of hotel rooms. I try to take action on a few of these each day.. Here is what I told micu_mioyej >snip< micus_mioyej, I have contacted CID and asked them to block this transfer. Hopefully they will go further and cancel your package. The VIP presale was not meant for scalpers. Also, selling hotels is a violation of Ebay rules. I will report that to them once I am done with this post. >snip<

I like your plan, but if one does come up for a decent price from a known seller some of us may want a crack at it.

With all the after-parties, pre-parties, and well, parties going in Chicago, why not just get that travel set up and have fun even if you don't get a ticket? What the f*ck is wrong with you? Good god, the space ship is coming in for a landing and you're just standing there! Ready the tin foil hat man and go!

I have been wondering something. I hear everyone here say that we shouldn’t pay the scalper prices as it only adds to the problem, and this is where I am a little confused. I was lucky enough to get my Miracle through Ticketmaster but my friend was not. He looked at several ticket options and ended up buying a three day ticket through E-bay for right around $1,000.My question is, has he just added to the problem or was he just a fan who saved up to see his favorite band and was happy to get the ticket? I keep equating this to the stock market. If I make a good purchase on a stock and it goes up in value, would I sell it for what it is worth, or what I paid for it? I agree that the people asking $4,000 and $5,000 for tickets should be drawn and quartered, but if you have someone that is willing and able to pay $1,000 for a ticket is he in the wrong? I have to be completely honest, outside of a few really good friends, I’m not sure I would be able to sell my tickets for face value.

stocks are investor products, one purchases them in hopes of making a good investment and a profit. Grateful Dead tickets, on the other hand, are intended for music loving folks to go for an evening of entertainment, not to be used by scalpers to profit by blocking folks from the ability to purchase tickets, then jacking up prices and hold us hostage for their enrichment, see the difference? and unfortunately, it does add to the problem when we cave and pay extorted prices.

I think the issue is a fair price for it. I don't think anyone would question a ticket price for $1000 for a 3 day pass with a view of anything but the stage curtain. They got lucky, we didn't que sera, I think the major issue is people who are charging 10 to 100 x the ticket price so they can pay for their trip. That is greedy. I am all for people making some profit, but lets be reasonable here. $500 for a ticket behind the stage that cost $70 with fees? $1000 for a floor ticket that cost $105 with fees? That is highway robbery. If they have a 3 day pass with a view at $1000, that equates to a markup of around 3x which, sure is fair. I mean the tix were around $100 through GDTS x3 so...but $1,200 to $1500 for no view? Gimme a break

This guy claims he already received his tickets in the mail. I'm not sure how that could be. Been emailing him. Check it out. https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tix/4950948164.html

Well, Totem, I have explained my rationale numerous times on this forum, why I personally have not finalized my travel plans due to the ticket drought. So I don't see any point in rehashing that point. (see the miles of posts prior) I still plan to get a gig ticket and THEN get a plane ticket to go with it. I am keeping an eye on the pricing and availability of the particular flight that I want to take. And several times I came close to booking it but chickened out. I still see myself going to this thing, so don't count me out yet... P.S. I am still open for suggestions on how to find a reasonably priced ticket. I don't want a no view ticket for scalped price, or a viewable ticket for an outrageous price. Holding out for something that fits the Bill, so to speak.

HERE! HERE! HARUMPH! HARUMPH! (pounding a desk to draw attention - I love politicians here)

especially that mayor, in Toronto.......

Kudos for those explanations! Hit it right on the "head". I don't want to pay for a scalper ticket, but these are trying times and I may end up doing just that. But spending a ton of money on a concert ticket has its limits. Seat location plays a big part of it. I am hoping I can weasel my way in without breaking my bank account and I have a certain amount of pride and integrity (which the resellers don't have). It is just a business to them. It is a way of life for us. I am not rich by any means, but I do OK. I am not free-spirited with my money (aka tightwad). For me I can't justify the amount of money spent to go on this trip without KNOWING I will get in to at least one of the shows. So my dilemma is how much am I willing to spend for the peace of mind of being sure to get in? We all have to decide that for ourselves and everyone's cutoff amount is going to be different. So my advice (which is VERY subjective) is to set a price point for these tickets and find a way to make it happen within that boundary. But what do I know? I'm striking out at every turn...

He was awesome wasn't he? He came into office right after I left Toronto...reminds me of Marion Berry (smoking crack AT his desk in DC), just way more Curley-like (3 stooges Curley) Ford was/is.

Without a warning you broke my heart, takin' it baby, tore it apartAnd you left me standin' in the dark, said your love for me was dyin'. Come on baby, baby please come on baby, cause I'm on my knees. (I know I got my pinky a month ago - but it still is sad!) :)