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    I enjoyed reading your heartfelt comments. I tend to agree with you in most aspects except BK's unfortunate comment and JK's playing. In the first three shows in Oakland JK did some jamming that blew my mind. Then it was like a few gigs and a lot of rehearsal to put a collar on him. In other words, Phil & Bob want the spotlight and they're not giving much to JK as much as a lot of us would love it. Respect for Jerry? Nahh, that would not be the way Jerry would want to be honored. Chimeti, Russo & Lane are a bit more than adequate and the back-up singers add a spritz but nobody ever said this was the Grateful Dead. The Dead 09 had the Rhythm Devils and a stellar lead guitar and they sucked big time while we paid double. Maybe the drummers are just tired of playing Dead music. Lastly, if you never had the chance to see a Grateful Dead show, here you can have a taste of what it used to be like. Maybe that hit wouldn't be big enough for you. Certainly not for me. But as I get older and I can see the music and whats left of the original characters slowly fade away -- sort of like NFA to end a show then the band and the crowd letting that fade bleed out, I appreciate something more about the evolution of musicians and how times have changed. Take what is for what it is and go with it or don't go. ~Believe it if you need it or leave it if you dare ~
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    Shoreline shows were great
    But the Mnt View cops have destroyed the once fabled and hallowed Shoreline parking lot. Their presence was obnoxious - driving around, walking around, under cover, circling the perimerters with binoculars, completely shutting down vending, sniffing cups for alcohol - SHEESH!! I have never seen anything like it ANYWHERE. What a shame. What the hell happened?? Thank god for an upcoming Red Rocks run where we won't get hassled by the man. Rant over. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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    For me, stuck as i am in London as present, though soon Yokohama bound (nope, they probably won't play there either), it's only footage of Furthur online that allows me to witness their music in a live context. Some good ones too; see here - http://www.vimeo.com/user4180524Difficult to really gauge music when not feeling the air being pushed; that beautiful loop of participatory energy between audience and artist; that tactile quality of sound as it travels in waves through the ether. Completely different medium to the computer screen, high-end speakers or not. But until my wife and i's visit to that mad Head in Oakland, it will have to suffice. The result? Jury's out...... Some moments do shine brightly, no doubt; the sheer enjoyment of their faces can carry you through; some exquisite jams certainly and it's still early days (hopefully). Their commitment to improvisation unquestionable. And yet, so far, that feeling of slight indifference; an unconnectedness that draws me (kicking and screaming) out of the "zone", seems to permeate every experience thus far. And i wonder, just why is that? What breaks the spell at that moment when you are about to enter deep space? What slowly envelopes the Soul, like an encroaching blanket of feather-like fog? What is that voice that gently breaks you out of a cushion of bliss, to bring you back to the material world with a lingering feeling of disappointment and mild disillusionment? I read a review this morning on Jambase of Furthur's June 3rd show at Shoreline; there was a quote of Phil, upon acknowledgment of the audience, saying "without whom, the music couldn't get this weird". True, i wasn't at the show; i haven't seen any video, or heard any audio. But i wonder just how "weird" was it? So far, none of the music or footage i've experienced has paid a visit to those shores. Some inspired moments certainly, but really? Weird? Reading the February/March 2006 issue of Relix, Bob Weir, annoyed at the reception a "jazz diversion" in a Ratdog show was received by the audience, the "Deadheads who went limp", said "I hate those guys, they only like it when it's an old Dead song". Now truly stretching out into a more experimental, more "out" territory may well not be Furthur's basic modus operandi. Fair enough, absolutely. Personally, i only want the musicians, ANY artist to fulfill THEIR creative urges, EVERY SINGLE TIME. I don't want to be pandered too; I want them to take THEIR music in any direction that their muse requires, no, DEMANDS. As long as it's from the heart, then complete respect is deserved every time. And i give it to them always. But, for me? I'm left a little wanting. This could well change in the future, of course. I've always found different locations, different hours of the day or night, different settings and different emotional states can produce vastly different results. And trust me, i'm in it for the long haul, i assure you. Now this next bit might be more appropriate in a different post; kinda new here (not to the Dead or this site), but recently felt the urge to dip one's toe in this black muddy river. Could my nagging emotional response to Furthur be down to the drums and guitar? Honestly? I think it is. From the bottom of my heart; not an ounce, a drip, a molecule, an amoeba (nothing against amoebas), a speck or a fleck of disrespect against Joe Russo or John Kadlecik, but this is where the contribution to "beigeness" lies. I just don't get an emotional payoff with these two. Could happen of course, as i said, but so far? Sad to say, no. And i don't even know why this is so. But once that suspicion creeps in, maybe analysis is pointless and a fool's errand. It presented itself and i have to acknowledge it. Drums: In other contexts, Joe has impressed. But i just don't know. Something is missing. It's all there and yet it isn't; the limbs moving but the journey tethered to the point of departure. My own wish to see.... Glenn Kotche? (Tony Williams? bless his SOUL). Hamid Drake? Chris Corsano? Jean-Paul Gaster? (in that pocket but jam to spare....) Claude Coleman Jr.? Tatsuya Yoshida? Gerry Hemmingway? Guillermo E. Brown? prime time Jack DeJohnette? Junzo Tateiwa? Steve Gorman? Gerald Cleaver? Guitar?....whoa......... I have to say i'm with Bill Kreutzmann on this regarding Furthur's approach and veiled reference to John. Although, his comments, that still show up in a google search of Jambands as headers, was wildly and shamefully taken out of context/exaggerated; he has said on many an occasion the respect he has for Furthur. I have read it. Lets hope others take the time to do the same. True, true, he might grow (and i truly hope so) into demonstrating a more personal form of expression, taking greater artistic control (and license) with the Dead material. Who knows what's in store? But can years and years of recreating Jerry's playing really be broken? Can his own inner voice really shine through? Does he have one? Will it be allowed to flower even if he does? What is the greater need for the Furthur followers (and the members themselves)? More of the same with occasional tangents, or real musical liberation within the framework of the Dead's gorgeous material? I know that he must feel an amazing amount of weight on his shoulders; i did think twice before contributing to any additional burden but it's only an opinion. Keep doing what you do John, whatever the outcome (let your life proceed by it's own design). As for an alternative? Well damn, i'll admit that i'm at a loss, still. The balance of down-home grit; earthy resonance and deep emotion to the very core, balanced with abstraction, dark space to the very edge of all that we hold secure; the frightening realm that berates as it inspires; that shatters all our notions of comfort, yet propels us into beauty and blissful uncertainty, strangely ripe with reassurance. The home at the edge of the world; the sunset after the end of the world. A six string equivalent of late period Coltrane. Full of soul, inquisitiveness, spirit and warmth. Brown earth and space dust on the tongue; a honey throat coat in a shimmering void. Maple and Ash. No negativity intended; no mean-spiritedness drifting from my heart. Just a gentle outpouring. Something for my fellow travelers to contemplate, i hope. What say you? A pleasure to swim in this beautiful sea we call DEAD. Responses and private messages/contact welcome. Everyone welcome. All the time. Keep safe everybody.
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    Let me know when they come to Kansas
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    west U.S. tour announced
    Furthur will be doing a tour of the west starting with 3 nights in Eugene, OR. Sept. 23,24,&25, and ending at the Monterrey Co. Fairgrounds Oct. 7 & 8. Hmm...
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    simply put
    One of the best shows I have ever seen! what rain? the band was smoking all night long
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    Great setlist last night! Who was there? Some of us east coasters are eager to live vicariously through your experiences!We're looking forward to Mansfield in July, and a Bob Weir solo show in Portland ME in August. Oh, and I'm going to my first Phish show on 6/7 - should be fun :)
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    the weather is weird. We have had a good downpour yesterday and today, although neither one lasted long. This is not normal for this time of year at all.
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    looks like rain....
    in mountain view this weekend
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    everybody ready for the next installment?
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I don't know about that. It would be like calling a certain british band The Rolling Stones if either Mick Jagger or Keith Richards were to leave it. When Jerry Garcia left, the Grateful Dead was over. What the remaining members of that band do in the future can't be called that and this is largely why they have not toured under that name since 1995. "When it comes to humility, I'm the greatest!" - Bullwinkle Moose
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... has been retired to honor Jerry Garcia and the entity that toured for 30 years with 5 core members. Stardom and fame were brought to those who took up the burden of the dead beings still wandering in the bardo (the space between death and rebirth). Those beings still have power to influence from that state. When Phil opened up the dictionary on that fateful day in 1965 and opened up to that entry and put his finger on "Grateful Dead" he sealed the deal. Whether the name is used exactly as it is or not, there will always be musicians who are more or less doing wandering expired beings a favor and having that favor returned more than 100 fold. No wonder the GD did so well on the days of Halloween and celestial events such as solstice. Whether or not any of the above is true, it is usual and customary to retire the name of any long-running entity when it ceases to exist in a fundamental way from what it was. It's a sign of respect. Carrying the burden of the dead, allowing them to experience vicarious thrills through the still living is a wonderful and awesome burden. The Grateful Dead pulled it off with style.
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Understood...Furthur it is...
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for what its worth, which may not be much, but here it is. I feel that the name Grateful Dead should be retired. Jerry Garcia is a musician of the importance of Mozart, Bach or Coltrane. This music would not exist without him. The Grateful Dead does not exist without him. However, the music he was such an integral part of is too important to be relegated to the past. It needs to continue. Like all great art it has too much to say to let it die. My 2 favorite names of the post Garcia era have been The Other Ones and Furthur (these were coincidentally my favorite post Jerry incarnations of the music). The Other Ones denoted that the remaining band members were still here and the music was still vital. Furthur denotes that the music is being carried on into the future. These names, both of which have historical significance to the scene, indicate that Jerry is no longer physically with us but his genius lives on. Long live Jerry and long live the music!
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As hard as it was Zepplin did the right thing when John Bohnam left us, they disbanded Zep. John Bohnam was the engine for that band with his hard bluesy drumming which could not be duplicated. Unlike The Who who have been on 2 or 3 farwell tours, it kinda leaves a bad taste in your mouth when they call it quits then show up next year. I fell blessed with the shows that I saw with Jerry and I think Billy, Mickey, Phil and Bobby have done the right thing with The Other Ones, Furthur and Billy and Mickeys drum projects. We can all be thankful they all just did'nt Fade Away.......
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If any of you going to Angels Camp & camping, there's RV hookups @ the Sonora County fairgrounds. It's a nice place & not too far from Angels Camp. Looks like from Furthur's website, you'd need a car to bring into Mt.Aire. If anyone knows how to post this on philzone, please do so.....have fun
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Weeeeeeeeee, now it's Furthur for sure. Gathering of the Vibes Headliner ~ Furthur Furthur Site Pretty much the whole family is gonna be there! Rythym Devils, Donna Jean, NRPS, David Gans, Steve Kimock, and many more! The aforementioned Primus as well. _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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you might find some discussion in the Favorite Summer Festival topic. I've gotta say, that's a pretty great lineup!
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For some reason forgot about that thread._____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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Hey Mary, Can we have an all inclusive Furthur~Festivals Topic in that forum? I looked and found a few things on gathering but not much. Since they are playing a bunch of them, how about a topic that is all inclusive with Furthur Fest, All Good, Gathering of the Vibes, Nateva, and what ever other fests they happen to hop on this summer. I've always liked festivals because of the diversity factor, many good bands I love, and the family fun camping time. _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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lemme see what I can figure out.
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But it would be nice to not have to make a 3000 mile road trip and have to take a week or 2 off work to go. The music "festivals" here are lame to say the least and never include camping. "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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That's it!!! I need to become a music promoter!!! "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"
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Then we can take the whole family along for all the festivals...Good plan. The only other idea I had was to win the lottery and I promised everyone here that if I did, I would buy a Leer Jet and Tour Bus strictly for the Dead.net family. Then we could pick everyone up across the country/world, and tour. hahaha~I let you know how that works out when I'm 90. _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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Why not call them the Grateful Dead ??? My opinion is if you would do that....there's always the possibility of Too Many People showing up for the shows again... We do not need the Gatecrashers around again!! i think they are doing the right thing by staying under the radar of national attention!
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I am curious to know if the girls are still gonna be singing with Furthur this summer???? I thought they added so much to the music, the harmonies were right on. Sometimes, the band had a JGB element to it, when they would bust out an After Midnight or Dear Prudence, w/ John and the girls singing behind him.. Gonna be sad if they wont be tagging along for this one.. Its almost like the Grateful Dead when Mickey Hart left the band, they were a much more basic unit, at least until Keith arrived. But, i have no doubts that the band can pull its own.. They are so awesome on so many levels.... They really need to release a Double Live CD w/ the Gratest Moments of the Winter Tour. So much good stuff to choose from....
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I really enjoy the girlz Sunshine and Zoe....I think they add just enough to cover up the semi fainted voices we have from just the boyz just getting older. And they compliment the youngster quite nicely as well. I'm pretty darn sure they are helping with the summer tour, I do know I haven't heard differently. Anyone else heard anything? I mean besides a baby or a family disaster, I think they are gonna be there. _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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FURTHUR "Live Rehearsal Sessions"Monday May 24th and Tuesday May 25th at the The Palm Ballroom, 100 Yacht Club Drive, San Rafael, CA Doors: 6:30 PM / Showtime: 8:00 PM. All ages permitted for this show. Furthur~Go to Furthurmore Friday _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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should be great!
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The setlist was sweet and it answered some questions. Compliments of the Philzone and the poster was first posted by Canyon (not me) and the setlist is compliments of Rob Scalcione (Rscalcione) both cool zoners. Rehearsal Poster Furthur Rehearsal Sessions The Palm Ballroom San Rafael, CA Mon. May 24, 2010 8:30pm - 10:50pm Happy Birthday JC Juanis Shakedown Street > Good Lovin' Mississippi Half Step > Brown Eyed Women Cumberland Blues Althea Looks Like Rain The Wheel > Reuben & Cerise > Uncle John's Band Scarlet Begonias > Fire On The Mountain Back up singers: Sunshine Garcia Becker & also Jeff Pehrson who is from the duo Box Set. So to answer someones question from before....so far it looks like Jeff Pehrson is gonna replace Zoe Ellis for now (don't know for sure but I think she's having a baby). John K. sung a ton of the songs too, and from what I hear Joe Russo played really, really well solo! _____________________________________________ Will you come with me? Once in awhile you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!
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going 2nite so I will post this evenings set list when I get back!
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Correction: Furthur Rehearsal Sessions The Palm Ballroom San Rafael, CA Tues. May 25, 2010 8:30pm - 10:50pm After Midnight Bertha Speedway Playin Eyes Stephen Eleven Unbroken Chain Fantasy Truckin Smokestack Lightning Truckin E:Ripple
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Looking forward to the boys playin' in my home town and I hope they record their own show for downloads cause the official word from the organizers of the fest say that NO audio taping is allowed.............sorry y'all
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I wouldn't think that the organizers of a ferstival would have any say on taping. Plus why would they care? To allow taping or not should be up to the band. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case ... You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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They're tight-assed in the capital... wanna keep a leash on everything. Even things they have no say about...
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you say it K!
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Since it has 5 stages outside and 1 inside they are probably worried that other bands will be taped. Welcome to the goverment town...........also kown as suckin' central.............
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I've never had much love for that bureaucratic town, too conservative for my tastes. They don't understand what it means to give it away... gotta account for it in the budget! No, seriously, I've played a few good shows there and the cultural community is pretty alive in Ottawa, but the vibe of the town has always creeped me out. They get all that extra funding for being the capital and all...
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Runs/controls/manages music festivals? That is creepy! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case ... You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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The goverment or "The Man" as we say does not run, manage or control this festival. It is run by a seperate private group that started the festival in 1994. Altough this festival gets funding from the goverment cause it is a huge tourisim draw and some acts cost a lot of money to play. Dylan played a couple of years ago and I heard that his cost was $500,000. The last couple of years they have also put on free shows in our downtown market with some big names, one good free show this year will be Taj Mahal.
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to go a little Furthur,than I've gone. See ya'll real soon! --------------------(---@ Peace, SherBear
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I'm taking the family (my wife and I, and 2 boys: 9 and 12) to the Lowell, MA show later this month and am wondering what to expect in the parking lot. I went to 70 or 80 shows between '79 and the passing of Jerry, and to me the parking lot was always almost as enjoyable as the concert. But I've since been on "hiatus", and I don't know what the current scene is like. I remember that, as it got into the 90's, things were degenerating, with lots of yahoos and nitrous and whatnot. The plan is to show up 2 or 3 hours early,do some tailgating, and enjoy the people. This is an early, 6 o'clock show, outdoors, general admission at a minor league ball park and I'm guessing that it will be relatively family friendly, but am looking for comments and reassurance. Also. my 12 year old would like to set up a little table and try to hawk some really cool wallets that he has been making out of duct tape. Will he be hassled by the powers that be? What do you all think?
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Check out the new tour!!!! on the furthur site. Jackstrawfromcolorado can you say Red Rocks 2 nights??? Love it man!!! This band is on fire. There's a dragon loose on the town Takes a whole pail of water just to cool him down Fire! Fire on the mountain!!
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And yes I can say .... 2 nights on the rocks!!!!!!!!!! Maybe now I can stop kicking myself for missing mnt aire!! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case ... You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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jackstraw and deadturtle - they heard you! They're coming to your beautiful backyard. Wish I could join!
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You should get your passport ready, take care of what you need to take care of, and make some travel plans to Colorado! :-) "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case ... You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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Finally, only 20 days left till summer tour kickoff right here in our beautiful little Highland Bowl! Welcome Deadheads from near and far to Rochester! 26 years on the bus and still enjoyin' the ride!!
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Ok, I am going to try and avoid the superlatives, of which there are so many that I have trouble coming up with enough good things to say. Without a doubt, the band is just getting more and more in "the groove". Three days of insanely great music - if you haven't heard about that late night set after the so-called day one "sound check" (more like sound wreck my head, build it back, and then topple it again just for the fun of it) then allow me to elaborate. Start with Viola Lee, then segue into a couple of tunes, then back to Viola, but wait... switch out the bass and lead guitars for a different duo to come back into Viola, going from Phil and Jackie Green to Jackie taking up the bass with Bobby playing guitar, then back to Viola after a couple more songs until Jorma and Jack come out to play with Bob and close it after a few more great Hot Tuna standards with the final Viola verse. Just insane. If anyone knows where I can find the tape of that set then please hit me up... timlake at homegrownvideo dot com. Looks like just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back IN!!! Summer tour, here I come. Just counting my blessings that I am fortunate enough to be able to take my laptop out and keep my day job... Farrell Timlake president, Homegrown Video timlake@homegrownvideo.com
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I've been perusing the archives for some time now and listening to Bojangles this past winter blew me away. Phil is singing his heart out here folks. The Box of Rain almost gave me a nervous breakdown about my recently passed away mother. Phil you warlock! It's not nice or fair to unleash the power of this song on unsuspecting people! Even people who suspect! But thank you for the current ride. Nuthin' left to do but :), :0, :)
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Hoping to join you in Rochester. Coming from Toronto by boat - perfect way to escape the G20! I'll have to see about Red Rocks, Jack. Never been and always wanted to go. Set aside most of my vacation $ already into 2012... but I'll see what I can do to take care of it =)
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I have an extra ticket for the 6/26 show at MPU Park looking to trade for either show at Nokia Theatre in July. It is a field GA.
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Far L...couldn't agree more about the All Star Jam...fucking blew my mind (and my ear drums). If you find a recording of that or Sunday night's albums please post. I got arrested entering the the venue with my stash around 6pm Sunday night. Shit was well hidden but the lame ass security searched me like I was Bin Laden. Fucking diks then called over the sheriff to really fuck me. Got out at like 1am so I totally missed the show! Oh and to make it even worse it was my birthday!
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Damn man I hate hearing stories like that, they make me cringe. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case ... You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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me too. So sorry to hear this.
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searched ya @ the gate? geez-what's this world coming to??? sorry to hear about your troubles