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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    First of all, what a great thing this vine is!!!!!!!! Everyone should take a step back, now take another step back the people up front are getting squashed. Any lossless vine should be from an original source (ie. original sbd tape or aud recording.) The original recording is a WAV file that is converted to a lossless compression format for the sole purpose of reducing storage space. A lossless compression format (ie flac/shn) reduces the size of a file by approximately 40 to 50 percent without losing any of the original file's information, that is why the format is called lossless. where as a lossy compression format (ie .mp3,.aac,.wma) reduces the file size by approximatley 60 to 90 percent (depending on the bit rate of the compressed file) but the information removed from the original file is lost forever that is why these formats are refered to as lossy. Lossy formats were created for the puropse of being able to have more music in a smaller package. That is why you can get a cd player for your home or car that will play .mp3's .wma's and the like. That is why you can fit several shows on one cd in .mp3 format. Also these lossy formats are the reason I have 32 days of Good Ol Grateful Dead on my Ipod. Apple uses their own lossy compression for the ipod and to be quite honest they sound great. I commute along way , and in my car is where most of my music listening happens. I have a very high end sound system in my car and my Ipod plugs directly into my head unit so I don't have to fumble with thousands of cd's. IMHO you would be hard pressed to sit in my car and hear a phil bomb at 120db and be able to tell if it was a compressed format or not. Lossless compression was developed by audiophiles and was intended to be used for reducing the storage space necessary for storing digital music on a computer while maintaining the integrity of the original file. If you will notice, there are no players aside from a plugin or two for a computer audio player that will play shn or flac files. This is because the formats were developed for archival purposes. I myself copy the flac or shn files to my external hard drive where they stay forever, decompress the files to WAV without deleting the flac or shn, I then import the WAV files into Itunes and compress them into aac file and put them on my Ipod. I then delete the WAV files because they are the largest files which take up the most space and everything is great in my world. I have the music on my Ipod to take with me everywhere I go and I have the lossless file archived on my hard drive. Some people decompress the lossless files and burn the resulting WAV files to cd's or convert them to mp3's to make mp3 cd's or put on a portable mp3 player, it is your choice how you consume the product once you recieve it. Whatever tickles your spot. If you really want to get down to the nitty gritty of the sound quality issue, we should come up with a way to vine on vinyl because the original analog recording on good vinyl with the right record player would put this digital stuff to shame, but it would be impossible to vine this way. I think we should all need to educate ourselves so that we can take advantae of the technology we have (alot of which is free I might add) right at our fingertips for it is this technology that makes this vine possible. I mean really ,all of us remember trading tapes right?? Try to find the ying for your yang!! This beats tape trading hands down and here we have people almost getting hostile over some technology misunderstandings. As for the copy of a copy of a copy of a cd we are dealing with digital format, and I can rip (copy) the WAV files off of a cd and then burn them to a cd again and agian and again with the same results. There are differences in computer software and hardware as well as differences in storage media (cd's dvd's) If you usae a program called Exact Audio Copy (EAC) which is free on the internet and a good burning software like Nero, and you have a good name brand burning drive with quality blank cd's, cd's can be copied with no loss of qualtiy. You are taking an exact copy of the digital information on the cd, and writing the exact same digital information to a new cd. As for the volume differences, most burning software has volume adjustment settings or something called normalize volume for all tracks or something of that nature that if you don't understand how to use this feature or don't know it's being used can have adverse affects on the sound quality of your copies. Again I'm not trying to be condescending in any manner, just informative, but a thorough understanding of the technology and all of the aspects surrounding it will solve the discussions I'm seing on this thread. It's all about education, which is free on the internat reguarding all of the programs (software) formats (flac,shn,.mp3 etc..) and computer hardware. I'm just an old hippy who misses the Grateful Dead and has been taking advantage of this technology for the better part of ten years now!! When I found out I could download high quality recordings of my favorite music, I couldn't learn fast enough!!!! I by no means know it all, but I do have quite a bit of experience with all of these formats and technology. I hope this is helpful in the grand scheme of life, because I know how it is to be jonesing for Jerry licks and god forbid they be sub par sound quality when you get them!!! If I can be of any help to anyone I'm more than willing to help! All that being said, I will say again that no vine listed as losless should be sourced from a lossy file, period! Don't sweat the small stuff, and by the way It's ALL small stuff!!!
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    Its not that big a deal you guys
    Small vines, large vines, wav, flac I like them all and they all have advantages and disadvantages. I'm trying to obtain as many shows as possible and with how long it takes to get vines I think it is nice to get one large one rather than waiting for 2 or 3 smaller ones - you can knock out the entire year of 1977 in what 4 vines?? That's awesome! In addition, along those same lines I prefer flac its just faster and easier all around (especially for large vines, they have to be in flac to even be manageable, plus it is cheaper, I can go on and on). But hey it is also cool opening up a vine with one special show in wav format. I like all the vines and vine formats, keep them coming! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    sure would like to hear MITD say something! :( I hope he is well... "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    big vines v small vines
    If anyone knows how time-consuming and overwelming big vines could be, I do. If I had to do it all over again, maybe I would break them down even further or space them further out. Hindsight. The positives of big vines are less cost (4 DVDs at a time v 4 shipments of 1 DVD each), especially for our European-based brethren, and speedier acquisition of a whole hunk of music. But the sheer enormity can be overwelming and take away the gleeful feeling we should get upon receiving a vine. While big vines are more efficient, perhaps they are like Wal Mart, giving us what we want but leaving us with an empty feeling. As for the whole source controversy, I think we all agree that the seeder should provide all the information he or she has (WAV, Lossless) and avoid MP3. Just like with the official releases and life in general, variety is a good thing. We can pick and choose what we want. Just because I generally eschew officially released compilations (I prepurchased the new Pure Jerry though) and am now firmly planted on the lossless side here, doesn't mean that Rhino or my fellow viners should solely cater to my taste. This is the best community on the net as far as I am concerned and I am proud to be a part of it. In the end, the love we make...
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    I dont have a Mac, but
    There are some resources available: http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html I have a lot of trouble with my wifes Ipod. I have my home stereo conected to my computer ; )
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    What would MITD say????? Let's just be. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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    another topic, sort of . . .
    are there any other viners here who use a mac? if so, what program(s) have you found to convert .shn or .flac into burnable .wav files for importing into itunes?
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    i was wrong to cast aspersions - and be negative - it's all a positive thing here, no matter how big or small or what format - i honestly don't know what got into me - sorry.
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    I certainly missed Erickat. Maybe I am old-fashioned, but I convert whatever music I get in the vineyard to Wav for cds for my car, and I also convert it for use on my ipod. I do back up everything that comes to me in flac form on my external hard drive, but I almost never listen through my computer. So I guess I appreciate both formats. What I do not appreciate is people telling other people what or how they should vine. If someone prefers wav cds, cool for them. They do not need to be told to enter this century. If I want to convert a flac vine to wav bc I was asked to do so by people, that is my perogative. If that makes me old-fashioned, so be it. I think we all know that a very wise man said once a note leaves his guitar it is no longer his and people are free to do whatever they like with the music. The same should be true with vines. Once it is out there it is not really proprietary to the viner, it belongs to the vineyard. As to the mega-vines, I believe Dstache's efforts were heroic and I was happy to contribute to the 77 vine. However, my personal preference is for smaller, theme-based vines that surprise me with their creativity and the occassional show that I have been pining for. On the other hand, there are others who prefer to get it all at once. Indeed, a wise lady has said that there is room in the vineyard for all types of vines. So, in conclusion Erickat, you are greatly appreciated. Derek, you are greatly appreciated. In fact, everybody that contributes to and participates in the Vineyard is greatly appreciated. Lets not lose sight of how amazing it is that we can hear our favorite music long after it was created. Peace to everybody! "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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    The 68 lossless vine has been posted, as has the final part of the 1973 lossless vine (which I forgot about in my last post). That leaves only the remainder of the 1977 lossless vine outstanding from me. I will probably wait a week or two before working on this as I need a little break and have some other commitments. Oh Yeah and/or other MAC users, get back to me about changing my burning speed or whatever the problem is and I will change it before burning the final parts to the 1977 vine.
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The Who Springfield, MA 12-14-1975 master audience recording taped by Dan Lampinski. I would love a copy if it's out there.
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Guys, my computer crashed the other day and I am writing this from a friend's computer (mine is in the shop, supposedly can be repaired, circuit problem). I had that JT show on my list of shows to get, and I think there is another JT show he recorded, either from 75 or 77. Re: the Who, I would check that website we have discussed Lopezz; I bet it is there. And yeah, a second Lampinsky vine will be needed. JT, Supertramp, the Who, and there are a few other good ones I am sure.
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That Who show is on the web site. (http://qualitybootz.blogspot.com/) I can't get it right now, I'm having computer problems too. I was hoping Someone out there in Dead.net land may have it. UncleJon maybe?
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Working on the d/l now. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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The Who show is an really nice recording. Pulling down the Lampinski Moody Blues 11-23-78 now... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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This Who show is awesome! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Does anybody have 9-23-76 Duke University? One of only seventeen times (according to Deadbase) the Boys played Morning Dew and Wharf Rat. Nice overall set list with a lot of B for A. I have no idea as to the quality of the playing, but I love 76. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I have sbd.backus.14687, but am hesitant to trade or vine it as I grade the sound quality as only B+. I suggest going to archive and seeing if a better version circulates.
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"That path is for, your steps alone."
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sbd.backus but I'll keep my eyes out for some other sources... "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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I'm gonna comment here because I don't want to piss off BJ or dissuade any non-viners from purchasing it. I am not excited about this release. Just as I have not been excited about most of the releases in the last couple of years. I think the early show is good (3-3.5 out of 5 stars) and the late show very good (4 to 4.5 out of 5). But both already circulate as A SBDs. Can someone who signed up for my 70 vine back me up there on the sound quality, if not the performance quality as well? I WANT to give the Dead some money. I feel that I owe them. But I don't want them to act like I owe them. And that's how many of the recent releases make me feel. This isn't a bad release. And if the show didn't circulate it may even be a good release. But because it already circulates as an A SBD, what's the point? I know, I'm jaded, and the more shows you get, the more jaded you get. BTW, I purchased 30 of the 36 DP's, both Winterland box sets, the 69 Fillmore box, plus many other official releases. I give the Dead money. But now, it has to be for something I really want. A show that doesn't circulate, or a very good or great show that circulates only in subpar sound quality.
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I'm sorry you feel jaded, dude. Your reasoning is sound, but... just think of those '77's that came out ... they were all A boards, too, but after the powers that be had their way with them they became absolute pearls!!! I'm really excited about the three disc format - I know that what is available for the 5/15/70 is eight discs (w/ NRPS), but maybe this will be a harbinger for shows that are three discs. We are, but a few, missing the absolute aural richness of these remasters because the HDCD format requires equipment we don't have. I'd like to hear a handful of the early Dick's Picks remastered with todays technology - especially 5/02/70!!! BTW, I can't wait to sample your next Pink Floyd vine - it looks killer. " Where does the time go? "
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I'm sorry you feel jaded, dude. Your reasoning is sound, but... just think of those '77's that came out ... they were all A boards, too, but after the powers that be had their way with them they became absolute pearls!!! I'm really excited about the three disc format - I know that what is available for the 5/15/70 is eight discs (w/ NRPS), but maybe this will be a harbinger for shows that are three discs. We are, but a few, missing the absolute aural richness of these remasters because the HDCD format requires equipment we don't have. I'd like to hear a handful of the early Dick's Picks remastered with todays technology - especially 5/02/70!!! BTW, I can't wait to sample your next Pink Floyd vine - it looks killer. " Where does the time go? "
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I'm sorry you feel jaded, dude. Your reasoning is sound, but... just think of those '77's that came out ... they were all A boards, too, but after the powers that be had their way with them they became absolute pearls!!! I'm really excited about the three disc format - I know that what is available for the 5/15/70 is eight discs (w/ NRPS), but maybe this will be a harbinger for shows that are three discs. We are, but a few, missing the absolute aural richness of these remasters because the HDCD format requires equipment we don't have. I'd like to hear a handful of the early Dick's Picks remastered with todays technology - especially 5/02/70!!! BTW, I can't wait to sample your next Pink Floyd vine - it looks killer. " Where does the time go? "
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I don't get overly excited about these releases. At least not yet! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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I just d/l'd, extracted, and converted to WAV the Who show. Then I logged in here and see that unclejon already snagged it. Unclejon, if you want to take the lead on a Lampinski AUD part 2 vine, with the 76 Jethro Tull show and the Who show, plus some others, feel free. There is a 75 Lou Reed show that I have been unable to download, and 76 Skynyrd, 74 Marshall Tucker, 76 Boston (whcih would be really cool but the band had sound problems and I don't know how it affected the recording), a 75 Jethro Tull, and a 76 and 77 Supertramp that I haven't tried to download yet. Those are the ones that I think look interesting, but there are others you may find so, and who knows if any others will be unleashed (a 79 Supertramp, Breakfast tour, would be awesome). Let me know if you need any help. Oh, and I got my computer back and it seems to be fine. There was a problem with the circuit board.
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I am out of town until next week and didn't want to coop the Lampinski movement from you. It'd take me another week or so to d/l anymore of the shows as I will be slammed at work when I return. I'd be happy to work on it with you though. If you have any of the other shows you mentioned let me know and we can put it together. I'll PM you and we can coordinate? "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I don’t know how they choose what to release, but 5-15-70 seems a fair choice to me. I am not sure we can expect them to second-guess what everyone already owns or analyse what is out there. What is often frustrating is not knowing exactly what is and is not in the Vault and so not knowing what they could have released (9/23/76 apparently is not in the vault unfortunately). Many of us have been howling for full shows and we have 3 or 4 discs with almost two full shows (albeit chopped up and mixed up). What tempts me every time a new RT comes out is the sound quality. I ended up buying an HDCD compatible player last year thanks to EBay. Maybe the Dead have shares in Microsoft (who own the HDCD patent). There is also some special feeling about having the CD set on the shelf, even thought I don’t care much for the RT packaging. Maybe instead of getting stressed about the official releases that duplicate circulating shows we should instead be grateful that there is often a free alternative for those short of $$. Plus you get an extra Deep Elem Blues that is not on any of the circulating recordings or on any of the published setlists that I have seen. How can you resist THAT? ;-)
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I am willing to put out some of my hard-earned bucks for a quality upgrade with stuff I already have. Also, looking at the comments, it appears that this release has been well-accepted by the community. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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RT vol2 #4 and I don't understand why they chop it all up and jumble the song order - like parts of May 26th spliced in with parts of May 27th. That doesn't make sense to me but whatever. I do like the last couple releases- 11-15-71 and 12-28-79 that were complete shows with the songs in the correct order. I personally would rather compromise a bit of sound qaulity in order to get the show unaltered. That's just me though... Like I have said before, I support the band by seeing them live and I do that a lot!! :-) "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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The Philly 1989 release too! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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I am posting here because I know someone who reads these threads can probably help out. I recently received a vine and cannot locate it in the Forum to figure out who to mail it to next. (just a thought, if we write the vine on the outside of the envelope it might avoid these types of scenarios). anyway, the vine I currently have contains the following shows: 4-23-84 6-26-84 6-30-84 each show is two CD-Rs of FLAC files. it was mailed to me from a fellow viner in Alaska. if anyone knows which vine this let me know, I will look it up and get it mailed out ASAP! thanks
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A vine from that nice hippy guy. I think he had a 1984 sbd vine or something like that going. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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Thanks to Jackstraw and 1958 this vine has been identified as '84 SDB Part 1 vine. I have posted in the forum and bumped it up. Dave
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There are a lot of stalled vines. It's been about 4 weeks since I have received a vine. I am still due to get about 15 of 'em but I doubt any of them will show up. Part 4 '77 was one I was looking forward to.
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I agree EDAD. Some have recently been re-vived but we have a long way to go. What I have noticed is that no one comes around the vineyard much anymore. That doesn't help. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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just don`t post much anymore. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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"Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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On some message boards, the "last log-in" date is shown beside the poster screen name. If we could see when some of these folks last logged in, that would help in figuring out if someone is reliable or not. I've got some '95 soundboards that I may plan to vine in the next month. I am a little hesitant because they are not in flac format. They guy who sent them to me left 1 second gaps between tracks.
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Hey gang, About 20 years ago Garcia / Costello did a few shows together in Mill Valley Ca. There are some boots out there and just curious if this has ever been vined or if someone is interested in starting a vine. From what I understand there is some great quaity material out there. Let me know and thanks . EJJD
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I just got a new cell phone , does anyone know of any cool apps ? Is there a Foobar app for smart phones ? Thanks . And yes a Garcia / Costello vine sounds good . Garcia and Hagar would be nice too . " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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includes friends such as; Nick Lowe, Jerry Scheff, Austin DelLeone, James Burton, Scott Mathews, then later add in Charles Brown, Kim Wilson, Steve Straus, and later add Jerry Garcia & Pete Sears and then later Commander Cody, Sammy Hagar, Annie Simpson, Mitch Woods jump in and then Bob Weir decides to jump in. And it turns into a big jam session. This has 27 songs on 2 CDs. From Elvis playing solo (in first four songs) to adding the wide variety of friends that showed up to play with him. Is this what you all are looking for? The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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Wow I just looked at the video , pretty cool !! Hey can anyone get ahold of that video ? It would be nice to see it all without the buffering . " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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Can a request be made of Lemieux or some other to index exactly what is in the vault? Since, apparently, so much of it is missing it shouldn't be that hard to do and it would seem to help everybody out a lot in figuring out what to request/buy.
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Yes Oroboros that is it. Is it out there on a vine or can it be vined? EJJD " the wheel is turning round and round"
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it's in the queue. Soon come.
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Has anybody heard from Trevor? "That path is for, your steps alone."
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He was taking some time off, last time I talked to him a couple of months ago.
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I was a little concerned. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I'll post a 4 show "best of" within the next week. I still have to listen to 2 more (4/15 and 16). I don't have the last show (4/17) of the tour or the late April and May California shows, but the latter aren't really part of the tour anyways. So far, I think 3/31, 4/5 and 4/6 are the best. I'm looking forward to listening to the final 2. 4/15 has a great set list (2 of Brent's best, Blow Away and I Will Take You Home, as well as Franklin's Tower, China/Rider, Playing, Terrapin and if that is not enough Dew). This will be like most of my other "best of" vines, meaning there will be 1 FLAC DVD, I will convert and burn to CD 1 show, and the first 3 people will each need to convert and burn 1 show.
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Hard to believe it has been 15 years. RIP JERRY, and thanks for all the joy and goodwill you spread during your time on Earth. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I've got a vine for him, but I have seen no activity from him in quite a while, and have not gotten a PM back. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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He posted somewhere (can't remember exactly where) just the other day. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"
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I will pop this vine out to him then. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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I have been a poor vine'r for some months. I made it all right today and got all vines sent to me burned and out. Please forgive in my length especially with the 11 from 85' and 8 from Zeppelin. These vines are ALIVE AND WELL and in the hands of the US Post. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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Good to see you back! "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"