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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • noonie
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    my thoughts......
    the whole shn /flac /mps things it just a matter of personal taste...some people care some don't..personally i am in to shn/flac just saves of space, time copying, and it sounds better but that is my opion....we are are all here as a community to share the music of the grateful dead......the one thing i think all of us needs to remember is, its not our music we did not createt it we do not own it as a personal possesion, but we do looooove it and cherish it . The grateful dead where nice enough to allowing tapeing and tradeing. Lets just all sit back and enjoy this precious gift we have been given....i remember listening to tapes all warped left in the sun, some one spilling bong water on them, and just dancing my ass off and just digin every fuck up sound coming from my speakers. so i remember we had this one tape that cut out right in the middle of drums blank for about 1 1/2 so we decide that was when the audiance was suppose to play and we would drum on anything around us...fun times .anywhooo...thats my opion let you life proceed by its own design fare the well now
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    mp3 format converted to flac?
    WHOA HOLD UP... this is a big no no...mp3 could be traded or vined...but that needs to be listed as such...not only did the Grateful Dead standardize the quality of many things in popular music...so did the taping community...frankly, mp3 is what it is...a super compressed digital format...I mean really digital is bad enough for frequency range, so for somebody to actually seed something that was MP3 and encode it to flac...that's really , really lame...and if done on purpose is tantamountly lame... This really should not happen whatsoever, I did see a "best of summer" DVD as a add on from a vine as MP3 , and that was OK, but I passed...as I don't really need to listen to that format and if I do : I will convert whatever music as I see fit... It really comes down to quality...I KNOW MP3 is convienent but as a standard of quality it really pales in comparison to .wav files or lossless files converted to .wav aka "standard red book CD format quality" - now some 24 bit at 96 kHz stuff might be interesting to seed later....but this would be played through a DVD player to handle such encodement... MP3 SEEDS AS FLAC IS WAY WAY LAME - KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN SEEDING - PLEASE FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE.... Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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    i don't understand a word of the computerspeak goin' on here, but i wanna say thanx to all who have sent my son and i shows on cd. i have hours of audio on video tape cuz it was a convenient way to record stuff off the radio, either fm broadcasts, or gd hour marathons. someday when my brain is not so mushy (ha!, like that's ever gonna happen!) i can solicit help in transferring the info to a more modern listening format but it's like trying to learn a new language with a knot yanked in yer tongue!
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    Thanks for the info CB! Man that would be perfect! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    1. flac files can of course easily be converted to WAV and burnt to CDs. That is what I do for the car stereo and for favourite shows 2. The Cowon iaudio series of portable players can play FLACs (and WAVs but not SHNs) directly. www dot cowonglobal dot com If you are buying a new player it may be worth considering. Greg MacFarlane has one. 3. It is now possible to convert many MP3 players to play FLACs and SHNs (as well as MP3s) by installing a cool and free programme called Rockbox. www dot rockbox dot org I converted my ipod to Rockbox just by following the instructions and can now load and play flacs and shns directly for mobile lossless listening pleasure without having to convert to MP3. Of course they take up a lot more disc space hth CB
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    I agree with Cosmic, any shows that are sourced from Lossless Legs are not MP3's converted back to a lossless format. The folks there would never permit this to happen - the hard core traders run a spectrum analysis on the music and if it were Lossy data they would yank that torrent right down. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I echo the sentiment of cosmic badger and offer thanks to all who share this wonderful music so well in this forum (and thanks to marye for her kind assistance). That said, I also state that I am not big into the flac offerings. My computer is not hooked up to my stereo in any fashion and when I want to listen, I pop one the grate shows I got from the vineyard into my stereo and crank it. I am not a big 'headphones' kind of guy (unless it is late night listening, out of consideration for my wife.) I do see the value of the flac and even loading the shows into the computers 'hard drive' for storage. Forgive me, like some of my other cohorts (dwindling numbers as we speak), I appreciate and will continue to sign up for the CDs, as they are most conveient for my uses (in my recent trip to Minn we listened to the vineyards aural treasures for 10 hours). Maybe in the future I will take up some of the offers to send 'hard drives' to have years of GD or JGB 'loaded' onto them. Where I sit right now is being thankful to all who share, grateful that I was able to share, and just got to smile, smile, smile, when I think of what trading and sharing consisted of in the old daze. We got it good people. Let's maintain the positive vibe and continue to spead the joy. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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    1. IMHO everyone who takes the trouble to assemble some shows and share them on the vines is a superstar (whatever the content, quantity or name of the vines). Establishing hierarchies, competing and bitching are unnecessary and undermine the integrity of this place. Why do it? 2. It all boils down to this. Trade losslessly and do not insert MP3 generations. WAV, FLAC and SHN are lossless formats. FLAC is the most convenient and the most popular because the data files are smaller and easy to copy and convert to anything else. It takes 30 minutes to learn how to deal with FLACs 3. The shows traded losslessly on LL were not downloaded from Archive as MP3s. If there was an MP3 generation in those files it would be shown in the provenance of the show. Before the clamp down on Grateful Dead SBDs all those shows were uploaded (and downloadable) as FLAC or SHN files by a wonderful community of people wishing to share and archive everything in perpetual lossless format. In fact the auds on archive still are downloadable in Lossless formats but only on a file by file basis; just scroll down the page and you will see that you have a choice of formats. It was once like this for the SBDs too. If you want the FLACs you can save yourself a lot of time and trouble by using the ‘Down’ em all’ plug in for Firefox, which will grab all the files for you in one go. Have a nice weekend CB
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    Hell yea I`m stoked for that too !! and a 68 vine , oh yea that too I can`t wait for !! Back to mp3/shn/flac for a momemt , all I know is that shn/flac does in fact sound better to me as of my recent discovery of Foobar 2000 . But I guise it also depends on the systme you are using to play said music . I don`t know too much about WAV formats . But I do know that there are people seeding shn/flac on shn/flac.net that have been dowed from arcives.org , wich we know that is all mp3 format .. to my ears shn/flac does sound better to me then mp3 and with the correct equipment it can be played on my car radio . And I`m quite sure that some vines that where seeded here have been in mp3 format at one time or another . now that I think of it I`m sure I seeded shn/flac vies that where mp3 at one time and not even realize it at the time , but i do keep a better eye out for the mp3 to shn/flac when i down anything from shn/flac.net or any other site . Man this can all get way to confusing for me so I think I`ll exit this conversation . Way too many different formats !! I agree with Unclejon lets just enjoy the music as it is ( was ) intended to be .. Hope you all have a Grate weekend !! Peace .. Stu ..
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    for JGB '74...and can't wait for ALL of 1979 (all good things in all good time). "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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The Who Springfield, MA 12-14-1975 master audience recording taped by Dan Lampinski. I would love a copy if it's out there.
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Guys, my computer crashed the other day and I am writing this from a friend's computer (mine is in the shop, supposedly can be repaired, circuit problem). I had that JT show on my list of shows to get, and I think there is another JT show he recorded, either from 75 or 77. Re: the Who, I would check that website we have discussed Lopezz; I bet it is there. And yeah, a second Lampinsky vine will be needed. JT, Supertramp, the Who, and there are a few other good ones I am sure.
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That Who show is on the web site. (http://qualitybootz.blogspot.com/) I can't get it right now, I'm having computer problems too. I was hoping Someone out there in Dead.net land may have it. UncleJon maybe?
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Working on the d/l now. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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The Who show is an really nice recording. Pulling down the Lampinski Moody Blues 11-23-78 now... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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This Who show is awesome! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Does anybody have 9-23-76 Duke University? One of only seventeen times (according to Deadbase) the Boys played Morning Dew and Wharf Rat. Nice overall set list with a lot of B for A. I have no idea as to the quality of the playing, but I love 76. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I have sbd.backus.14687, but am hesitant to trade or vine it as I grade the sound quality as only B+. I suggest going to archive and seeing if a better version circulates.
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"That path is for, your steps alone."
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sbd.backus but I'll keep my eyes out for some other sources... "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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I'm gonna comment here because I don't want to piss off BJ or dissuade any non-viners from purchasing it. I am not excited about this release. Just as I have not been excited about most of the releases in the last couple of years. I think the early show is good (3-3.5 out of 5 stars) and the late show very good (4 to 4.5 out of 5). But both already circulate as A SBDs. Can someone who signed up for my 70 vine back me up there on the sound quality, if not the performance quality as well? I WANT to give the Dead some money. I feel that I owe them. But I don't want them to act like I owe them. And that's how many of the recent releases make me feel. This isn't a bad release. And if the show didn't circulate it may even be a good release. But because it already circulates as an A SBD, what's the point? I know, I'm jaded, and the more shows you get, the more jaded you get. BTW, I purchased 30 of the 36 DP's, both Winterland box sets, the 69 Fillmore box, plus many other official releases. I give the Dead money. But now, it has to be for something I really want. A show that doesn't circulate, or a very good or great show that circulates only in subpar sound quality.
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I'm sorry you feel jaded, dude. Your reasoning is sound, but... just think of those '77's that came out ... they were all A boards, too, but after the powers that be had their way with them they became absolute pearls!!! I'm really excited about the three disc format - I know that what is available for the 5/15/70 is eight discs (w/ NRPS), but maybe this will be a harbinger for shows that are three discs. We are, but a few, missing the absolute aural richness of these remasters because the HDCD format requires equipment we don't have. I'd like to hear a handful of the early Dick's Picks remastered with todays technology - especially 5/02/70!!! BTW, I can't wait to sample your next Pink Floyd vine - it looks killer. " Where does the time go? "
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I'm sorry you feel jaded, dude. Your reasoning is sound, but... just think of those '77's that came out ... they were all A boards, too, but after the powers that be had their way with them they became absolute pearls!!! I'm really excited about the three disc format - I know that what is available for the 5/15/70 is eight discs (w/ NRPS), but maybe this will be a harbinger for shows that are three discs. We are, but a few, missing the absolute aural richness of these remasters because the HDCD format requires equipment we don't have. I'd like to hear a handful of the early Dick's Picks remastered with todays technology - especially 5/02/70!!! BTW, I can't wait to sample your next Pink Floyd vine - it looks killer. " Where does the time go? "
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I'm sorry you feel jaded, dude. Your reasoning is sound, but... just think of those '77's that came out ... they were all A boards, too, but after the powers that be had their way with them they became absolute pearls!!! I'm really excited about the three disc format - I know that what is available for the 5/15/70 is eight discs (w/ NRPS), but maybe this will be a harbinger for shows that are three discs. We are, but a few, missing the absolute aural richness of these remasters because the HDCD format requires equipment we don't have. I'd like to hear a handful of the early Dick's Picks remastered with todays technology - especially 5/02/70!!! BTW, I can't wait to sample your next Pink Floyd vine - it looks killer. " Where does the time go? "
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I don't get overly excited about these releases. At least not yet! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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I just d/l'd, extracted, and converted to WAV the Who show. Then I logged in here and see that unclejon already snagged it. Unclejon, if you want to take the lead on a Lampinski AUD part 2 vine, with the 76 Jethro Tull show and the Who show, plus some others, feel free. There is a 75 Lou Reed show that I have been unable to download, and 76 Skynyrd, 74 Marshall Tucker, 76 Boston (whcih would be really cool but the band had sound problems and I don't know how it affected the recording), a 75 Jethro Tull, and a 76 and 77 Supertramp that I haven't tried to download yet. Those are the ones that I think look interesting, but there are others you may find so, and who knows if any others will be unleashed (a 79 Supertramp, Breakfast tour, would be awesome). Let me know if you need any help. Oh, and I got my computer back and it seems to be fine. There was a problem with the circuit board.
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I am out of town until next week and didn't want to coop the Lampinski movement from you. It'd take me another week or so to d/l anymore of the shows as I will be slammed at work when I return. I'd be happy to work on it with you though. If you have any of the other shows you mentioned let me know and we can put it together. I'll PM you and we can coordinate? "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I don’t know how they choose what to release, but 5-15-70 seems a fair choice to me. I am not sure we can expect them to second-guess what everyone already owns or analyse what is out there. What is often frustrating is not knowing exactly what is and is not in the Vault and so not knowing what they could have released (9/23/76 apparently is not in the vault unfortunately). Many of us have been howling for full shows and we have 3 or 4 discs with almost two full shows (albeit chopped up and mixed up). What tempts me every time a new RT comes out is the sound quality. I ended up buying an HDCD compatible player last year thanks to EBay. Maybe the Dead have shares in Microsoft (who own the HDCD patent). There is also some special feeling about having the CD set on the shelf, even thought I don’t care much for the RT packaging. Maybe instead of getting stressed about the official releases that duplicate circulating shows we should instead be grateful that there is often a free alternative for those short of $$. Plus you get an extra Deep Elem Blues that is not on any of the circulating recordings or on any of the published setlists that I have seen. How can you resist THAT? ;-)
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I am willing to put out some of my hard-earned bucks for a quality upgrade with stuff I already have. Also, looking at the comments, it appears that this release has been well-accepted by the community. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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RT vol2 #4 and I don't understand why they chop it all up and jumble the song order - like parts of May 26th spliced in with parts of May 27th. That doesn't make sense to me but whatever. I do like the last couple releases- 11-15-71 and 12-28-79 that were complete shows with the songs in the correct order. I personally would rather compromise a bit of sound qaulity in order to get the show unaltered. That's just me though... Like I have said before, I support the band by seeing them live and I do that a lot!! :-) "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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The Philly 1989 release too! "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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I am posting here because I know someone who reads these threads can probably help out. I recently received a vine and cannot locate it in the Forum to figure out who to mail it to next. (just a thought, if we write the vine on the outside of the envelope it might avoid these types of scenarios). anyway, the vine I currently have contains the following shows: 4-23-84 6-26-84 6-30-84 each show is two CD-Rs of FLAC files. it was mailed to me from a fellow viner in Alaska. if anyone knows which vine this let me know, I will look it up and get it mailed out ASAP! thanks
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A vine from that nice hippy guy. I think he had a 1984 sbd vine or something like that going. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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Thanks to Jackstraw and 1958 this vine has been identified as '84 SDB Part 1 vine. I have posted in the forum and bumped it up. Dave
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There are a lot of stalled vines. It's been about 4 weeks since I have received a vine. I am still due to get about 15 of 'em but I doubt any of them will show up. Part 4 '77 was one I was looking forward to.
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I agree EDAD. Some have recently been re-vived but we have a long way to go. What I have noticed is that no one comes around the vineyard much anymore. That doesn't help. "Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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just don`t post much anymore. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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"Lazy lightning you say you never strike the same place. I want a double dose in any case" ... "You got to hear my supplication. Got to hear me now. A little bolt of inspiration"
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On some message boards, the "last log-in" date is shown beside the poster screen name. If we could see when some of these folks last logged in, that would help in figuring out if someone is reliable or not. I've got some '95 soundboards that I may plan to vine in the next month. I am a little hesitant because they are not in flac format. They guy who sent them to me left 1 second gaps between tracks.
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Hey gang, About 20 years ago Garcia / Costello did a few shows together in Mill Valley Ca. There are some boots out there and just curious if this has ever been vined or if someone is interested in starting a vine. From what I understand there is some great quaity material out there. Let me know and thanks . EJJD
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I just got a new cell phone , does anyone know of any cool apps ? Is there a Foobar app for smart phones ? Thanks . And yes a Garcia / Costello vine sounds good . Garcia and Hagar would be nice too . " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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includes friends such as; Nick Lowe, Jerry Scheff, Austin DelLeone, James Burton, Scott Mathews, then later add in Charles Brown, Kim Wilson, Steve Straus, and later add Jerry Garcia & Pete Sears and then later Commander Cody, Sammy Hagar, Annie Simpson, Mitch Woods jump in and then Bob Weir decides to jump in. And it turns into a big jam session. This has 27 songs on 2 CDs. From Elvis playing solo (in first four songs) to adding the wide variety of friends that showed up to play with him. Is this what you all are looking for? The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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Wow I just looked at the video , pretty cool !! Hey can anyone get ahold of that video ? It would be nice to see it all without the buffering . " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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Can a request be made of Lemieux or some other to index exactly what is in the vault? Since, apparently, so much of it is missing it shouldn't be that hard to do and it would seem to help everybody out a lot in figuring out what to request/buy.
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Yes Oroboros that is it. Is it out there on a vine or can it be vined? EJJD " the wheel is turning round and round"
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it's in the queue. Soon come.
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Has anybody heard from Trevor? "That path is for, your steps alone."
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He was taking some time off, last time I talked to him a couple of months ago.
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I was a little concerned. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I'll post a 4 show "best of" within the next week. I still have to listen to 2 more (4/15 and 16). I don't have the last show (4/17) of the tour or the late April and May California shows, but the latter aren't really part of the tour anyways. So far, I think 3/31, 4/5 and 4/6 are the best. I'm looking forward to listening to the final 2. 4/15 has a great set list (2 of Brent's best, Blow Away and I Will Take You Home, as well as Franklin's Tower, China/Rider, Playing, Terrapin and if that is not enough Dew). This will be like most of my other "best of" vines, meaning there will be 1 FLAC DVD, I will convert and burn to CD 1 show, and the first 3 people will each need to convert and burn 1 show.
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Hard to believe it has been 15 years. RIP JERRY, and thanks for all the joy and goodwill you spread during your time on Earth. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I've got a vine for him, but I have seen no activity from him in quite a while, and have not gotten a PM back. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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He posted somewhere (can't remember exactly where) just the other day. "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"
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I will pop this vine out to him then. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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I have been a poor vine'r for some months. I made it all right today and got all vines sent to me burned and out. Please forgive in my length especially with the 11 from 85' and 8 from Zeppelin. These vines are ALIVE AND WELL and in the hands of the US Post. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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Good to see you back! "The dire wolf collects his due while the boys sing round the fire"