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    The Grateful Dead battled the elements in July 1989, enduring drenching rains and stifling humidity during back-to-back shows at Robert F. Kennedy Stadium in the nation’s capital. In spite of the bleak weather, the band thrilled the massive crowds both nights with triumphant performances that rank among the very best of a busy year that included 74 shows and the release of the group’s final studio album, BUILT TO LAST.

    ROBERT F. KENNEDY STADIUM, WASHINGTON, D.C., JULY 12 & 13, 1989 includes two previously unreleased concerts taken from the band’s master 24-track analog recordings, which have been mixed by Jeffrey Norman at TRI Studios and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser. The collection’s colorful slip case features original artwork by Justin Helton and a perfect-bound book with in-depth liner notes written by Dean Budnick, editor-in-chief of Relix magazine. The set will also be available as a digital download in Apple Lossless and FLAC 192/24.

    When Jerry Garcia, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Brent Mydland, and Bob Weir rolled into D.C. in July 1989 for the Dead’s two-night stand at RFK, the band hit the stage running with a stellar rendition of “Touch Of Grey,” the group’s biggest hit from its only Top 10 album In The Dark, which was released in 1987. The following night, the band returned to its double-platinum commercial breakthrough when it opened the show with a fiery version of “Hell In A Bucket.”

    “RFK Stadium '89 fell right in the middle of one of the best tours of the last 15 years of Grateful Dead performances, with these shows being the sixth and seventh of an 11-show tour. This tour is widely considered the start of a nine month period of sustained excellence, which ran from Summer '89 through Spring '90. The RFK shows are as good as any of the more famous shows from this period, including July 4 in Buffalo, July 7 in Philadelphia, and the Alpine run,” says David Lemieux, Grateful Dead archivist and the set’s producer. “When Bob Weir has asked me to provide copies of Grateful Dead songs to give to his bandmates to learn and rehearse, he almost always requests Summer '89, and I've often drawn upon the RFK shows for this purpose. It's really that good!”

    Both shows feature standout moments, but the July 12 show is notable for a few reasons. Perhaps the biggest is that the first set featured at least one song sung by each of the band’s four lead singers – Garcia, Weir, Lesh and Mydland – something that rarely happened. Another surprise came when the band opened the second set with “Sugaree,” a song that almost always appeared during the first set.

    Pianist Bruce Hornsby — who briefly joined the band between 1990 and 1992 — is featured on both shows. He played accordion during “Sugaree” and “Man Smart (Woman Smarter),” with a touch of keyboard-tinkling, on July 12, and then played more accordion the following night for “Tennessee Jed” and “Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again.”

    For fans of Mydland’s tenure with the Dead – which began in 1979 and ended in 1990 with the keyboardist’s tragic death – these stellar shows capture that incarnation in peak form. Among the long list of highlights are performances of live staples such as “Eyes Of The World,” “Wharf Rat” and “I Need A Miracle,” along with rarities like “To Lay Me Down,” which was played only a few times in 1989. The July 13 show also features the band road-testing “I Will Take You Home,” a track Mydland wrote with Dead lyricist John Perry Barlow that would appear later that fall on Built To Last.

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  • #1221
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    My first GD exposure was 8 track. Ha.. that's one medium I wont miss. I guess I had a bad machine, it kept eating all my tapes. It was really a bad technology... Cassettes were much more reliable.. and contrary to popular belief, I do not see them making a robust comeback. My prized Nak died about ten years back.. the belts had all dry rotted and it started to play reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyyy sssslllllloooooowwwwwww. There is no advantage to cassettes over CD's as far as I can tell, and a lot of drawbacks. I do see the Vinyl appeal, but 8 tracks and cassettes, I just don't see this becoming a wave.
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    The limited announcement yesterday did what it was meant to do in piquing my interest, but I'm still on the fence. These could probably be broken down to 4-5 discs, and there probably won't be any filler, and once again I'll be miffed at short discs, though this time for 65 bucks for 2 shows. I think I'd find 5/8-9/77 as a 2 show box for 65 bucks to be pricey, so it has nothing to do with Brent or '80s hate. I actually like Summer '89-Summer '90 a lot, they were playing at the peak of that incarnation, as evidenced by how much of it's been released. (But feel free to throw this post back at me if they offer a 2 show box of RFK '73 for the same price and I buy it the minute it's announced, because that would likely be my reaction to that RFK box.) The book is probably nice, and I love the books in the boxes. The books are what I really miss about Spring '90 and Europe '72 (though I really love the idea of the steamer trunk). If it's around next year and I got the extra cash, I'll get it. If I miss out, I'll survive, and enjoy the subscription for Dave's 2018 and next year's big box.
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    Since 15K is the number
    5K will be added to the available quantity at some point. It's gone down exactly as I posted it would, although I'm surprised they're going with 15K. They still started with 10K and are now down to 3800 - 3900. Sales, Space Brother are at 6200 roughly, which leaves about 8800 left (5K which muse still be added). I'm not sure what numbers are "more or less brisk", but these are the facts. Brisk is relative I guess. Bottom line is that a good seller is great for us all.
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    I hear eight-track is on the rebound. Might want to fish around the yard sales for one of those Panasonic boom boxes with 8-track, AM/FM and a cool shoulder strap for rocking the 'hood. At least they still make D-cells. Glad to see the RFK '89 box going limited. Why not? I like physical product. Blu-ray's, cd's, more than just download. That being said I fleshed out my missing Dick's Picks off iTunes for a fraction of the cost of what the cd's have gone up to now. There's something reassuring about the certainty of a tangible, physical product on my shelf, should (God forbid) my laptop get stolen/destroyed, hard drive crash, etc. I have so much music from so many sources - friends who have kindly loaned things, items from the public library, iTunes and other downloadable sources, etc. It would be impossible to remember it all, were it to be lost or corrupted, however I know those cd's sitting on the shelves aren't going anywhere and as much of a pain in the ass it is to burn them all in, it's a 100% backup. I have Carbonite cloud backup as well as a portable hard drive but I don't trust it. That pole freak on Veneta is the ultimate acid casualty. Most people made it through but some of them just fried. If that dude is still breathing, he's drooling right now.
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    I have two Blue Ray and a DVD in the living room.. I found myself nodding to what the Ice Cream Kid had to say.. mhammond too. Thin is clearly correct in what he wrote.. but I have one subtle comment to add. I got into a back and forth email chain with Lemieux a few years ago about DVD's, etc. I think it was when the other Alpine show came out, and I missed it due to work.. so there was a little bite in my initial outreach. He did reply.. at length. Keeping in mind.. he was hired as the video archivist as Dick was still alive and well back then. His comment was layered, he was clearly keeping certain things close to his chest, but it was revealing nonetheless. I think the issue with video in general is the market is more segmented and aggregate demand has not justified all the costs involved getting this to market (my words, not his..). The 16,500 number (soon to be higher) is a magic number for vault releases in 2017. Keep in mind Terrapin Limited is still for sale, I'm quite sure it is limited and it has been for sale since 1997. There are tons of deadheads but not everyone has to have the 150 or shows that have already been officially released (what is that number again?). At this point, it is a numbers game for them and contrary to popular believe, once everyone (including the band) gets their cut I doubt if there are mountains of money left over. So back to the video topic.. Dave is all in with video releases. The hesitancy is not on his part. Rhino sells CD's and records.. DVD and Blue Ray is more like an after dinner mint for them.. if they sell and they make a ton of money on them, they'd do more. Reading between the lines from the correspondence all those years ago, there simply is not a terrific demand for GD DVD's. I can't get enough myself, but I say the same thing about the official CD releases too. Another factor is very few were recorded on film, most (the 89 and go forward material) was recorded on the crappy 4" tape common at the time. Find your favorite 1989 sitcom, go to YouTube and watch it.. it's grainy and has the same limitations as the stuff directed (recorded) by Len Dell'Amico during the late 80's. The video will not get better regardless of the medium as the source tapes are subpar. The sound, on the other hand, can benefit from the better mediums... depending on a few things... But look at this another way.. they do have a good bit of video recorded, some of it is pretty damned good. Most of it does have those distracting special affects baked right in. It will get released one day, perhaps they are just keeping their powder dry for when demand picks up a bit. If there are still some SSDD left and I bet they have a ton of the Fare Thee Well left (back to the numbers thing...) my guess is they are just biding their time and will begin releasing them when demand exceeds their magic number. I do prefer Blue Ray, it could be a dying medium, probably because it costs more and people are streaming a lot these days. Us hard-core, especially the audiophiles, will want DVD or probably Blue Ray. I really don't see that changing, streaming is not going to take precedent over the physical product for the person that just shelled out $12,000 for their new surround sound system. ..but who knows for sure what the future will bring except that quack Ray Kurzweil (yes.. I said that). If you made it through this post.. congrats and accept my apologies.. dry stuff.. but we like the GOGD and there's nothing boring about being there, front row center in the comforts of your own living room.
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    I was about to guess it's a hipster thing, but apparently Justin Bieber had something to do with it.Which doesn't make sense either way...
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    Spacebro - You are correct, sir. I forgot there was a DVD/Blu-ray segmentation in the Veneta release. How many Blu-rays did they produce? I don't recall how fast the DVD's sold out. I guess I passed on that because I didn't have Blu-ray AND I'm not enthralled with DVD vid quality, which is like a 720 vs 1080 pixel format (if someones previous post was accurate). I didn't really want to see Polesitter dude in 1080 OR 720 pixels - LOL. As I said earlier, I hope for both our sakes that they continue with the '89 releases. There's a ton of great stuff from that era sitting in the vault. Once the video format gets sorted out, I think we'll see a LOT of '89-'90's releases. re: Cassettes - I've heard they ARE making a comeback. Martin Sexton was on "Above the Basement" recently (highly recommended Boston-area music podcast) and he mentioned that he recently issued his recent release "Mixtape from the Road" on cassette as a novelty item and said they sold out of 1,000 of these in just a week or two, to his amazement. I blame the "Guardians of the Galaxy" movie series for romanticizing the format. https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/above-the-basement-boston-music-and-co…
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    Dead.net, please put the packaging dimensions in the description. I'd like to buy this but I need to know if it will fit on a CD shelf. I've been burned too many times on oversized packaging to blind buy a Grateful Dead box set ever again without knowing he packaging dimensions first. Thanks!
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    Numbered or Limited sets don't sound any different to me. Fact is that has nothing to do with my motivation on buying GD stuff. Actually I think I might offer a swap of my GSTL Limited box to someone who really must have it in exchange for a music only set.For the amount of bother to try and turn one of these things for the little profit, just wouldn't be worth my time. Yes I know some sets bring big pricing. Theres the moral thing as has been discussed too. All n All Im after the music. Weekend is HERE!!! 24th Anniversary is the biggie in my trailer park. Taking the wife out for Bar-B-Que and a night at the Shooting Range! Woo-Hoo!!! 9/3/93
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    Spacebro re: 8/27/72 - makes my Blu-ray point
    Spacebro - Thanks for helping make my Blu-ray point. 8/27/72 is indeed still available after 4 years sitting on the shelf despite only producing 12,500 copies, but I find your conclusion that this means 80's is more popular than '72 laughable (respectfully) - it is rather a reflection on Blu-ray, per my previous post. 8/27/72 was a single show plus Blu-ray for $55. That is the only release I have never purchased because I don't have Blu-ray and I didn't want to blow $55 + shipping for 3 CD's I already have (from my DAT days) in pretty darn good quality. (And Mr. Polesitter guy in hi-def NOT a draw) I also doubt they have sold as much of this '89 box as you think - when they plugged the initial number into "inventory" they hadn't yet decided the final production #. Probably input a nice round 10k, not the current 15k you are using in your math. But I could be wrong. We'll find out the next time they update the site. But going numbered/limited edition should boost sales of this box. So ALL the other releases/boxes have sold out or are close to it - most at 15k units or more - while the relatively low 12,500-unit EPIC Veneta show released 4 YEARS AGO on Blu-ray still sits on the shelf... this is why they aren't releasing more Blu-ray.... edit: icecrmkid I just saw your post. I'm not saying Blu-ray is going away forever (though Betamax, Laserdisc, Selectavision, and DIVX did), but the dream of Blu-ray becoming the universal video standard, like CD is for audio, is dead. Again, I think they are waiting for a ubiquitous video format relevant to ALL before releasing more video. Veneta teaches us that Blu-ray is not the answer.
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RFK Stadium 1989 Box

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The Grateful Dead battled the elements in July 1989, enduring drenching rains and stifling humidity during back-to-back shows at Robert F. Kennedy Stadium in the nation’s capital. In spite of the bleak weather, the band thrilled the massive crowds both nights with triumphant performances that rank among the very best of a busy year that included 74 shows and the release of the group’s final studio album, BUILT TO LAST.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY STADIUM, WASHINGTON, D.C., JULY 12 & 13, 1989 includes two previously unreleased concerts taken from the band’s master 24-track analog recordings, which have been mixed by Jeffrey Norman at TRI Studios and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser. The collection’s colorful slip case features original artwork by Justin Helton and a perfect-bound book with in-depth liner notes written by Dean Budnick, editor-in-chief of Relix magazine. The set will also be available as a digital download in Apple Lossless and FLAC 192/24.

When Jerry Garcia, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Brent Mydland, and Bob Weir rolled into D.C. in July 1989 for the Dead’s two-night stand at RFK, the band hit the stage running with a stellar rendition of “Touch Of Grey,” the group’s biggest hit from its only Top 10 album In The Dark, which was released in 1987. The following night, the band returned to its double-platinum commercial breakthrough when it opened the show with a fiery version of “Hell In A Bucket.”

“RFK Stadium '89 fell right in the middle of one of the best tours of the last 15 years of Grateful Dead performances, with these shows being the sixth and seventh of an 11-show tour. This tour is widely considered the start of a nine month period of sustained excellence, which ran from Summer '89 through Spring '90. The RFK shows are as good as any of the more famous shows from this period, including July 4 in Buffalo, July 7 in Philadelphia, and the Alpine run,” says David Lemieux, Grateful Dead archivist and the set’s producer. “When Bob Weir has asked me to provide copies of Grateful Dead songs to give to his bandmates to learn and rehearse, he almost always requests Summer '89, and I've often drawn upon the RFK shows for this purpose. It's really that good!”

Both shows feature standout moments, but the July 12 show is notable for a few reasons. Perhaps the biggest is that the first set featured at least one song sung by each of the band’s four lead singers – Garcia, Weir, Lesh and Mydland – something that rarely happened. Another surprise came when the band opened the second set with “Sugaree,” a song that almost always appeared during the first set.

Pianist Bruce Hornsby — who briefly joined the band between 1990 and 1992 — is featured on both shows. He played accordion during “Sugaree” and “Man Smart (Woman Smarter),” with a touch of keyboard-tinkling, on July 12, and then played more accordion the following night for “Tennessee Jed” and “Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again.”

For fans of Mydland’s tenure with the Dead – which began in 1979 and ended in 1990 with the keyboardist’s tragic death – these stellar shows capture that incarnation in peak form. Among the long list of highlights are performances of live staples such as “Eyes Of The World,” “Wharf Rat” and “I Need A Miracle,” along with rarities like “To Lay Me Down,” which was played only a few times in 1989. The July 13 show also features the band road-testing “I Will Take You Home,” a track Mydland wrote with Dead lyricist John Perry Barlow that would appear later that fall on Built To Last.

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Submitted by marye on Tue, 08/22/2017 - 11:59

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please send me a PM with the details and I'll pursue this. Thanks and sorry!
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Submitted by johnny361 on Tue, 08/22/2017 - 13:48

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Nice to see some love for this one. The first set is decent, but the second set could be best of the year! Also check out 6/28/92 for another gem from summer 92
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 08/22/2017 - 18:49

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....better slap some Dead stickers on it before you get your plates Flabobaloo. That's a priority....
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Tue, 08/22/2017 - 21:40

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i had set two of 10/9/89 on cassette for years now I have the Warlocks box. 10/8/89 set one is excellent. I am up to Big River. they sound very ON.
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Submitted by FloridaBobalooToo on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 04:07

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Hahahha. yeah that would be the proper break-in right? Kinda sad to go back to an import, but if the quality can't be found in US made, well I tried!!!!Starting the day off with Tusk from the Mac this AM. I always liked it better than Rumours. Fact is Tusk is kinda like the White Album what with following Rumours which was their Pepper if you will. From there after the morning 4 mile walk ( yep still at it gang, 223ibs and holding ) Im sure to break out some Dicks or GSTL box. Damn sure over summer weather now! So hot and humid everyday. Im waiting for a cooler morning that will signal Summers demise. Until then, its Dead by the pool I guess. Happy Mid-Week ya'll..................
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Submitted by Lost in San Antonio on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 05:01

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Not only is the lack of cds in cars annoying but the number of discs that they hold as well. I have a 2011 toyota tacoma and it can hold 6 cds which is nice when listening to shows. I bought a second vehicle (2017 mazda miata rf) and it has just a one disc cd player, so annoying
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 05:41

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Been sneakin around Shakedown Street. Just got in from driving around. My first time driving since Christmas Eve. Got up early and snuck out onto the streets before the Rush started. Man was that fun. Next step grocery store. I can stop eating the same thing every day for almost 8 months. Ohhh restaurant! G
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 06:54

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...small world man. Just missed paths crossing on a random island in the middle of the Atlantic. Hope you enjoyed your brief visit to BDA! We had a blast. Sixtus
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 07:52

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In your absence.. we got on a heady 1976 tangent. Sorry you missed it.
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 09:06

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ahhhhh...i may have caught the very start of that...I had offered up my fav 6/11/76 one of these here boards....looking back I do see the subsequent banter and it makes me happy for the '76 love. it was a wonderful time of transitioning, ooozy goodness, and that '76 tone. I always hold true this final thought on the year: From every magnificent plateau, there is almost always a nearly identically magnificent climb to reach it That's my take on '76. - '76'tus
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Submitted by boblopes on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 09:32

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Love Bermuda - we had our honeymoon there, hoping to get back next summer. GaryF glad to hear you're on the mend and you got great advice from the collective. Bummed I missed the eclipse in the center of Totality. Wanted to go, but realized the traffic post eclipse would be a nightmare turning a 20 hour drive into a much longer return trip with a four year old asking every five minutes - "Are we there yet?". Got to watch from my backyard Wearing my "Space Your Face" T-shirt. Got some great shots with my camera with a solar filter.
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Submitted by Gary Farseer on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 11:55

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Thanks for the support. The universal cosmic mind is a sight to behold.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 15:53

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Razel Frazen Smrzen Spammers. Hey Wadeocu.. what happened when you clicked on the link? A simple phishing scam or something more nefarious? For what its worth.. if someone has been a user for like 7 years.. they are probably legit. If they have been a user for like 7 minutes and they are already posting links.. Don't click it unless your PC is wearing a glove and you have some hard-drive penicillin handy.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 16:29

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Has been a member for a whole 5 minutes.Wonder what their price is for a sheet?
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 16:32

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Has been a member for about 8 minutes. His interests are ice hockey and origami.Didn't seem to mention an interest in GD.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 08/23/2017 - 17:15

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Too funny.. It half temps me to click the link and find out. :D There's a rabid battle cry for our first 1968 Dave's Picks on the other thread. Might as well echo that here.
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Submitted by Mikkelsen1977 on Thu, 08/24/2017 - 05:43

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Does anyone know if the RFK box will be an exclusive item from here? I work a record shop in Denmark and don't see this listed at Rhino's/Warners.
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Submitted by allman on Thu, 08/24/2017 - 08:02

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2-15-1973 - Dane County Coliseum, need I say more(Dark Star).
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Submitted by daveswayne on Thu, 08/24/2017 - 11:28

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Which is really weird as it's already advertised here by our friends at Spin in UK. maybe they are just going to buy up half the stock from Dead.net & re-sell ;)
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Submitted by boblopes on Fri, 08/25/2017 - 16:08

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I just picked up Crimson, White and Indigo. Looking forward to checking it out this weekend. BTW, Real Gone is releasing Road Trips 4.4 1982 Philly Spectrum show. I have that pre-ordered from Amazon for a couple bucks more than Real Gone website, but free shipping...
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Submitted by MinasMorgul on Fri, 08/25/2017 - 19:08

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This release is limited, it's just a question of what the final number produced is going to be, 10K or less (a few weeks ago, Thin posted an accurate description of the sales model that's in play here). At this point, they've clearly ballparked it at 10K with the door open for more or less, depending on the results of the pre-sale. We know they ballparked it to 10K because of the number that were initially made available. The only way they would have considered producing more than 10K, is if it had exceeded 10K in sales the first couple of weeks, which it obviously did not. This is how we ended up with the Cornell numbered set, and the Cornell all music edition. Initial demand of the Cornell box set far exceeded the number produced, obviously because it sold out so quickly and everyone was pissed they missed out on it. If they had sold 10K in the first week on this RFK mini-box, they would have added more available in the system. They have not added more available at any point, so you can be sure, the pre-sale numbers are fewer than 5K at this point, as wadeocu provided a number remaining of roughly 5200. The reason it's not being marketed as a numbered / limited release is because they did not have a clear idea of the demand, and you have to commit to a number when you market something as a limited / numbered release. Why? Well, if they said it was limited to 15K, they would have to have produced 15K, and then been stuck with the remainder if it didn't come close. But if they announced it as a limited / numbered set of 15K, and then they got the huge turnout they did for Cornell, there's no way to drop back and produce more without pissing people off and losing the power of the "limited edition" sales technique that they rely on very heavily for Dave's Picks and other major box sets. They got away with producing more than the limited 15K for the Cornell box set, because they had the wiggle room to produce an "inferior" set that had no "extras" to differentiate it from the numbered / limited edition. I say "got away with", but I doubt they did. I guarantee the eBay flippers were pissed off at what happened with Cornell, and will be extremely reserved in their future purchases. Because eBay flippers are such a huge percentage of the market, I say Rhino may not have, in the long run, gotten away with it. But this is a tangent, let's talk about why it wasn't a numbered / limited release. By not numbering it and not calling it limited release, they can just sit back and gather pre-sale data to determine how many to order (this is what Thin was saying in his brilliant post a few weeks ago). So that's the real story here - they didn't know the demand for a couple of '89 shows, so they dipped their toes in the water with a 3 month pre-sale to help them figure out if they're going 10K or more (or less - read on). It's feasible that the final number may be fewer than 10K, but now you're talking about contractual commitments with manufacturers, and that sort of thing. For example, does their contract with their manufacturers who actually produce the CDs and cases and booklets require them to order x amount? If not, and if the pre-sale goes horribly bad, they may only decide to have their manufacturers produce 7 or 8K. I think the pre-sale has provided them with sufficient data to guarantee there will not be any more than 10K produced. What this release is not going to be, is a Crimson White and Indigo that is mass marketed and available for 10 years plus. We know this because it's only available on dead.net, and has no widespread distribution plan, like the Long Strange Trip CD, which can be purchased in stores. The only question at this point, is how long it will take them to sell 10K units, or possibly less. That's exactly how limited this release is. Once the initial batch is sold and gone, that's all she wrote. This is guaranteed limited release, just not numbered. I did my part, I bought one for myself and one for my uncle.
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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Fri, 08/25/2017 - 18:48

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On the other hand, the "July 1978" box was advertised as "limited" and is still available to buy close to a year-and-a-half later.
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Submitted by MinasMorgul on Fri, 08/25/2017 - 18:53

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No, it's not on the other hand, it's exactly the point - July '78 was overproduced and they're stuck with overstock. They should have employed the RFK model. But I appreciate the support nonetheless. I'm just clarifying it's not a converse relationship, it's a parallel one.
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To keep it simple, I plan to stay subscribed and just buy one of everything for my personal consumption. I can't imagine these people putting out a pant load, ever, so even if not my fave year/lineup etc. there's always a nugget or two in there. I don't care how many they sell, if it's in FLAC/KNAC/DUCK, lossless, just plain lost, or numbered. All I care about is listening to the tunes. God bless everyone.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 08/25/2017 - 23:01

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I don't think July 78 was over produced.. keep in mind Music Today went bankrupt right while the drum beat of sales was kicking in.. and it was listed as 'unavailable' for months thereafter. I am sure July 78 will sell out at some point.. Spring 90 too took forever to sell out.. and the warehousing/distribution network was intact the whole time. Spring 90 was also killer, I am glad they did not artificially restrict supply on either... there are enough of us and it is that good. It doesn't look like they are going to limit the # of this release.. but they will surely decide the quantity to print in advance, which determines their unit price per CD. Whether they decide to print more at a later date remains to be seen but doing so will cost them. My guess is once it's gone, it's gone whether it's a limited release or not. I ordered mine, so it matters not to me. Oh.. and I'm sure the #s left in inventory mean nothing at this point.. they haven't even finished re-mastering and mixing yet. Or perhaps I'm full of shit.. but that's my best guess.
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Submitted by Drifter's Escape on Fri, 08/25/2017 - 21:35

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I ordered my one copy. I'm not seeing this release as an investment opportunity. Yes, $80 (+tax +shipping) for two shows is a bit steep. But 5 years from now I won't care.These two shows definitely wouldn't make my 'Top 100 list' of back-to-back's needing release. But I think they'll be good quality recordings. And I'll play a good quality recording of an average show as often as I'll play an average recording of a good show. Although I'll respect a different opinion there.
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Submitted by Kayak Guy on Sat, 08/26/2017 - 05:59

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I respectfully disagree that any release with a digital download option is limited. In Dave's seaside chat he never mentions limited availability or a need to rush to grab a copy to make sure you don't miss out like he usually does for the limited releases. Dave's our buddy why wouldn't he tell us if he thought we might miss out by waiting? This box seems like the same sort of roll out as the Formerly the Warlocks box, which only recently sold out at the same price point with lots of schwag in a real wood box. This set being taken from the mutitracks requires a lot more copies to make the efforts worthwhile compared to a 2 track release, like July 78. Only the packaging and schwag of the CD and/or Vinyl copies are limited or exclusive in a mutliformat release. The details of the packaging is conspicuously missing in the description of what comes in this box, so there's still hope for the exclusive bonus DVD from the meet up at the movie ;) Once WB/Rhino solve the digital store issue they are having, more people will take the download option and not have to worry about bad disks, poor packaging, where to put it or having it stolen in the mail. To make that choice easier in the future, the CDs are using the same 16/44 mix as the ALAC download version with the "premium" HiDef mix only available as a download in FLAC. I'm not a download fan and want the CDs, but more people out there just want the digital versions all the time, and the digital downloads will never sell out as long as WB has a server online to sell them. The real problem is that server has been unavailable since shortly after Musictoday disappeared last fall, so the digital option is a non option.
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Submitted by MinasMorgul on Sat, 08/26/2017 - 09:14

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Lots of informed opinions, always a good discussion. Who would have thought we all would have studied the Internet CD Sales market. That's what happens when there's not a release a month. We shall see, of course. If they don't sell more than the 5200 left, however, I'm expecting at least a "well thought out essay on Rhino Sales Model Minas, you were right" ;-) Kayak Guy - I'm speaking of physical product only. That is what I am postulating is limited. Jim - your comment confused me, when you said "My guess is once it's gone, it's gone whether it's a limited release or not." Edit: I felt like I wasn't splaining myself good. If it ever gows to "gone" status, and is not made available again at any point after that, then it was a limited release. In other words, if it's gone, then it was indeed a limited release. To elaborate - Clearly it's not numbered and it's not being advertised as "only x number of copies available". What I am saying is that this release will not have multiple pressings, and is not going to be produced in mass quantity. The final number will be determined by pre-sale projections, which at this point in time looks low enough to not warrant any more produced than the 10K presently available in the system. As I said, and you're on the same page with, they most likely have not been manufactured yet, because they're still monitoring the presale. There will come a day during the presale that they have to decide on a number. That number will either be 10K, in which case the number available in the system remains what it is and has been, or they will bump it up or down by a small percentage, depending on the number sold during the presale. Once THAT number is decided on, be it 8K or 15K, that will be all they ever produce of it, and when it's gone it's gone, making it a limited release. Operational definition of "limited release": a set number of copies will be produced and will be decided on by release date (8K, 10K, 12K, 15K, etc, it's irrelevant), and no more copies will be produced once that number is sold. I think we're all getting a little tripped up on the symantics. Agree, this is not labeled "Limited Release". Disagree, it won't be available for an unlimited time. They will produce a number that is fewer than 15K for sure, and as Jim said, once it's gone it's gone. So get em while they're hot folks! I also have mine (2). The real take away here is that if I am correct, then they've "fixed" the issue in which some people do not get an opportunity to obtain a copy at retail price, and that's a positive for all of us! Everyone have an awesome weekend.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 08/26/2017 - 10:10

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.....until Real Gone Music does another production run..... Something becomes 'limited' once it becomes 'out of print'. Agree that it costs money to store unsold product, so getting an idea of demand before setting production numbers is a good business decision. Probably hard to make a guess on numbers when you don't know how many people are part of the anti-Brent mafia..... But, I would dare speculate that GD product takes up less than 1% of space in the Warner/Rhino warehouse. But still, space is money.
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Submitted by diw on Sun, 08/27/2017 - 12:01

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Is it in fact verified that there were 10000 available when the presale started? If so, it's pretty impressive that 4800 have already been sold.
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Submitted by American Reality on Sat, 08/26/2017 - 17:51

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Not sure why someone from Dead.net or Dave himself doesn't come on here and clear this up for everyone who is interested. Maybe he does mention it in the chat after it gets cut short? And in my opinion a 6 cd set without a DVD is steep. $49.95 sounds better and would have sold me.
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Submitted by darkstartheoth… on Sun, 08/27/2017 - 01:06

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Someone on here did post that they heard David say on the GD Channel that David did say that these are limited and that the cd sets will sell out. Just my thinking on this release: The "Formerly The Warlocks" set went for about the same price with the same amount of discs and that wasn't listed as a limited edition but it's gone as are the Winterland boxes. When you consider what each Dave's Picks costs when it goes up for sale, this really isn't any more. This is mixed in a high end studio which runs up the cost quite a lot. I'm sure that they've spent more in studio costs on this release than they have on a lot of the Dave's Picks releases. I miss the days when everything wasn't limited edition stuff. I've been fortunate so far and I have pretty much everything but I'm always a bit worried that something will drop at the worst possible time.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 08/27/2017 - 10:32

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....top notch horror director. Guess I need to watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight. Not that I really want to, but because I feel I have to. That movie requires some pre-viewing deep breath exercises. So perfect in a twisted way....
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Submitted by MiracleMan1982 on Sun, 08/27/2017 - 12:45

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Not sure if it was Vguy or Jim who mentioned Innerspace being on Netflix, but wow I forgot how funny that movie is. Martin Short is just on throughout the whole thing lol. Thanks for the heads up. Also, is there anything better than a 1973 Playing in the Band jam? They really put those jams into fifth gear IMO. I'm a huge PITB fan from any year, but lately the 73-74 jams have had me popping in shows from those years a lot. Anyone need a sealed DaP 19? Bought an extra and it's collecting dust. Open to trade or free to a cool person :)
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sun, 08/27/2017 - 13:15

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....someone needs to Normanize these Ed Grimley videos. https://youtu.be/A-4b8AjPl1I. His story is really interesting. His wife passed at an early age. He hung up his acting to raise his kids full time. Cheers to you Mr. Short....
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Submitted by FloridaBobalooToo on Tue, 08/29/2017 - 03:55

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Submitted by brianhahne on Mon, 08/28/2017 - 06:11

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Dave did not say it was limited or will sell out, in the seaside chat.I heard him say it on the XM broadcast... I think it may have been habit, but he did say it.
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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Mon, 08/28/2017 - 11:02

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A nice version of this show just hit the archive, with the full Charlie treatment. I've been listening to the 1st set at work to day and wow, this show absolutely smokes. I've been listening to a lot of 77-78 lately, for obvious reasons, and this one sounds like it could have slotted in with the July 78 box. Tons of energy and really heavy rock n roll. I dont remember listening to this show before. Does anyone know if this has been released as part of Road Trips or Dick's Picks? If not, this would make a great Dave's at some point. Especially notable is the Mexacali -> MAMU transition, and the opening Mississippi just smokes. https://archive.org/details/gd1977-11-06.139055.SBD.Miller.Noel.t-flac1… Lastly, I hope everyone in and around Houston has safely evacuated and is in higher ground. Its going to be a long couple of months, and even years til folks can get back to normal there.
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Submitted by itsburnsy on Mon, 08/28/2017 - 12:01

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These are good shows, but probably not for everyone. 7.12 was my first show, so I am excited for this release, and it has never circulated as a SBD, I've had a HORRIBLE AUD copy for years. I had graduated high-school about 3 weeks earlier, and knew very little about the band. In fact, I only recognized two songs the entire show, the Touch operner and the Black Muddy River encore. I actually thought Women was a hallucination after the show! Regardless, I was hooked, and it was on to Spring of '90 and about 50 more shows until June of '95. Thanks Dave for mixing it up a bit, looking forward to this one...
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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 08/30/2017 - 07:36

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So I am listening to 5/21/74 HEC Edmundson Pavilion and just got to Playing in the Band which clocks in at 46 minutes, and I remember tape trading days not being able to fit it on one side until the 100 minute cassette was launched. Anything else longer? I know the Dark Star from 12/6/73 clocks in close... Just curious
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Submitted by wadeocu on Wed, 08/30/2017 - 08:29

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6-6-69 lovelight clocks in at about the same 46-47 minutes. Depending on how you count the drum solo break 5-11-72 dark star is about a minute longer. Interesting ABB parallel (in my mind): Ive been on a mtn jam binge and previously thought the 45 minute version on ludlow garage was among the longest but word on the hittin the note forum is that a 54 minute version has come into circulation. Ive not heard it yet. I think that likely includes a drums segment too as that is really a part of mtn jam.
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