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    The Grateful Dead battled the elements in July 1989, enduring drenching rains and stifling humidity during back-to-back shows at Robert F. Kennedy Stadium in the nation’s capital. In spite of the bleak weather, the band thrilled the massive crowds both nights with triumphant performances that rank among the very best of a busy year that included 74 shows and the release of the group’s final studio album, BUILT TO LAST.

    ROBERT F. KENNEDY STADIUM, WASHINGTON, D.C., JULY 12 & 13, 1989 includes two previously unreleased concerts taken from the band’s master 24-track analog recordings, which have been mixed by Jeffrey Norman at TRI Studios and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser. The collection’s colorful slip case features original artwork by Justin Helton and a perfect-bound book with in-depth liner notes written by Dean Budnick, editor-in-chief of Relix magazine. The set will also be available as a digital download in Apple Lossless and FLAC 192/24.

    When Jerry Garcia, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Brent Mydland, and Bob Weir rolled into D.C. in July 1989 for the Dead’s two-night stand at RFK, the band hit the stage running with a stellar rendition of “Touch Of Grey,” the group’s biggest hit from its only Top 10 album In The Dark, which was released in 1987. The following night, the band returned to its double-platinum commercial breakthrough when it opened the show with a fiery version of “Hell In A Bucket.”

    “RFK Stadium '89 fell right in the middle of one of the best tours of the last 15 years of Grateful Dead performances, with these shows being the sixth and seventh of an 11-show tour. This tour is widely considered the start of a nine month period of sustained excellence, which ran from Summer '89 through Spring '90. The RFK shows are as good as any of the more famous shows from this period, including July 4 in Buffalo, July 7 in Philadelphia, and the Alpine run,” says David Lemieux, Grateful Dead archivist and the set’s producer. “When Bob Weir has asked me to provide copies of Grateful Dead songs to give to his bandmates to learn and rehearse, he almost always requests Summer '89, and I've often drawn upon the RFK shows for this purpose. It's really that good!”

    Both shows feature standout moments, but the July 12 show is notable for a few reasons. Perhaps the biggest is that the first set featured at least one song sung by each of the band’s four lead singers – Garcia, Weir, Lesh and Mydland – something that rarely happened. Another surprise came when the band opened the second set with “Sugaree,” a song that almost always appeared during the first set.

    Pianist Bruce Hornsby — who briefly joined the band between 1990 and 1992 — is featured on both shows. He played accordion during “Sugaree” and “Man Smart (Woman Smarter),” with a touch of keyboard-tinkling, on July 12, and then played more accordion the following night for “Tennessee Jed” and “Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again.”

    For fans of Mydland’s tenure with the Dead – which began in 1979 and ended in 1990 with the keyboardist’s tragic death – these stellar shows capture that incarnation in peak form. Among the long list of highlights are performances of live staples such as “Eyes Of The World,” “Wharf Rat” and “I Need A Miracle,” along with rarities like “To Lay Me Down,” which was played only a few times in 1989. The July 13 show also features the band road-testing “I Will Take You Home,” a track Mydland wrote with Dead lyricist John Perry Barlow that would appear later that fall on Built To Last.

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    or should I say "CBS records you suck" rant... Love Al's Tour De Force live album, but you can hear the album fade as the band continues to rip. The shows this live album should be released with the full norman treatment with the entire show.
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    Maybe I'm off on this Dennis, but I read into that exchange between LedDead and Dark Star as tongue in cheek snark, aimed at making us laugh. LedDead seemed to be exaggerating for comic effect the people here (most of us lol?) who return items that are not in 100% new condition (he said 900% or something crazy like that, and went on to say the book was going to be damaged no matter what, so why waste the time returning it when he could be reading it. And Dark Star exaggerated this slovenly character reminiscent of Bluto or Peter Griffin, who has experienced a lifetime of accidentally breaking things and either tip-toeing away or having Corporate A pay the price tag on. Only one real way to know!
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    Let's not start the year off this way (sorry already did). Please don't take this personal, but Dark-Star, there was NO REASON to post such comments. They added nothing to the forum. Led Ded made some comments you didn't like, ok, but there was no need to respond in that way. Mom always said, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all". Let us all try not to reply in this manner. (But just for argument sake, there is no such thing as an irreplaceable knick-knack, just one that needs dusting :-) ) What I really need to know is where is my digital download of the last 45??? Happy New Years everyone, I was glad to see I have all the aforementioned "bonus" disc,,,,smile, smile, smile.
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    All I really got out of your post is that you're a slob who doesn't take care of his stuff, and that you contribute to inflated consumer costs by returning merchandise you've broken. You're without a doubt the guy who damaged the irreplaceable knick-knack at the party without telling the host, as well as the kid who broke his friends' toys without owning up to it. And I'm sure if the cost of the Jimmy Page book exceeded x number of dollars, you would have sent it back for one without a dent (assuming of course, the dent resulted from something you did).
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    This weekend has been my third listening to this box. I gotta say, I'm glad it was released and look forward to other 24 track recordings. This box sounds great. Very up on-it performances. If these were the weak shows, I can't wait to hear the better ones on this tour get the full Norman. Thanks to all who make this discussion always so interesting and informative. I wish everyone a fine, fine new year with many new GD releases. Scott
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    I've owned many thousands of compact discs since they came out in the 1980s. Still buy them and they are the primary medium for music. I like a little artwork, but can't have 10,000 record albums in my home though it would be cool. They sound fine to my ears. After I burn them into iTunes they go into the vault and stay clean. If any is needed for the car, burn a copy. And, a natural backup in case all the electronic shit crashes. Computers, I can't count on 'em. A computer can't bet on sports and won't touch a drink, and you can't trust a man who refuses to do either. In all this time, maybe twice - and maybe, exactly only once, I can't clearly remember - has a factory-made disc not played, had a skip or electronic noise on it or whatever. I have ham-handedly cracked a couple trying to get them out of their holders, but this is remedied by returning to seller and falsely claiming it arrived like that. It almost seems like the Rhino Dead releases are plagued, judging by the number of issues evermore posted around here. But of course these people, you, Dead freaks, obsess over every aspect of this band so nearly all incidences are reported, about 900% higher than the general population. I understand music not playing, but to think cracked case or torn sleeve or something is like a life-impacting issue seems ridiculous. I leave my guitars out and sometimes kids put greasy hands on them or one falls off couch. The cars are a few years old, and I wash and interior clean them intermittently, but clearly they show signs of wear. Bought that $100 Jimmy Page coffee table book a couple years ago. It arrived damaged from UPS or whatever, in that the box was gnashed and front cover has a pronounced 1" divot in it. So what? I kept it. Why produce the waste of sending back to get a perfect one, only to freak out then when someone smears page or drink spills on it. Favourite shoes are 20, 25 year-old pair Doc Marten boots. Don't care no one wears them anymore, they show the character a human face does, decades of experiences written across them. Though scuffed, they display gravitas that can only be earned. When I see store-bought "distressed" jeans and such, I recoil in horror. Like with a person, one can spot a "fake" pair of jeans or baseball cap a mile away. I know people who own guitars that will hardly let you lay eyes or breathe on them and gasp when they're handled. It reminds me of folks who used to (do they still?) put clear plastic slipcovers on their sofa cushions! This kind of struggle to maintain a level of perfect newness with material items has to be a clear tell of insanity and impending dementia. Been listening to a lot of great Al Di Meola guitar today, on shuffle. From acoustic gypsy music to jazz-fusion wailing, an amazingly coherent tasteful body of work. Check out Al, your local public library should have a few cd's you can rent for free.
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    I have had a few issues with music showing up late in the past. Once I was contacted by Mac, however, the issues were resolved. The regular customer service people who answer the phone don't always have up-to-date info or can't help much with some issues but Mac is a stand up guy and has always came through for me. Thanks again Mac for all your help, it is much appreciated.
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    The hired foreign CS phone bank for mundane issues never does a good job fixing actual problems, as they are essentially bound to a script. The dear readers here know how, and should, immediately escalate any problems to Mary and/or Dr. Rhino. They know how to get sh*t done!
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    Actually quite the opposite is most likely the case. The worst release recently was GSTL and that was a couple of dozen issues. Which translates into less than 1%. Compare that to software with constant bugs, cars that need recalls numbering in the hundreds of thousands etc.etc. and Rhino does a damn good job. I can't speak to their customer service since in all my purchases which is everything I've never had a problem which again anecdotally goes to the quality of the product. If their customer service is as bad as the few who have had problems then they need to fix it. In this area there may be some validity to the complaints if you look at the problems they have with their website when there's a new release. Then there's the complaints about not getting a show on the release date. It's the release date not the date you get it in your hands. Bottom line and this has been said numerous times they do a very good job with their picks and the quality of the release but possibly could step it up a bit when there is a problem. And the consumers could exercise a little patience as to when it gets to them. Thur instead of Tuesday come on if that's the worst life dishes out to you you're doing great
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RFK Stadium 1989 Box

LESS THAN 5000 LEFT

The Grateful Dead battled the elements in July 1989, enduring drenching rains and stifling humidity during back-to-back shows at Robert F. Kennedy Stadium in the nation’s capital. In spite of the bleak weather, the band thrilled the massive crowds both nights with triumphant performances that rank among the very best of a busy year that included 74 shows and the release of the group’s final studio album, BUILT TO LAST.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY STADIUM, WASHINGTON, D.C., JULY 12 & 13, 1989 includes two previously unreleased concerts taken from the band’s master 24-track analog recordings, which have been mixed by Jeffrey Norman at TRI Studios and mastered in HDCD by David Glasser. The collection’s colorful slip case features original artwork by Justin Helton and a perfect-bound book with in-depth liner notes written by Dean Budnick, editor-in-chief of Relix magazine. The set will also be available as a digital download in Apple Lossless and FLAC 192/24.

When Jerry Garcia, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Phil Lesh, Brent Mydland, and Bob Weir rolled into D.C. in July 1989 for the Dead’s two-night stand at RFK, the band hit the stage running with a stellar rendition of “Touch Of Grey,” the group’s biggest hit from its only Top 10 album In The Dark, which was released in 1987. The following night, the band returned to its double-platinum commercial breakthrough when it opened the show with a fiery version of “Hell In A Bucket.”

“RFK Stadium '89 fell right in the middle of one of the best tours of the last 15 years of Grateful Dead performances, with these shows being the sixth and seventh of an 11-show tour. This tour is widely considered the start of a nine month period of sustained excellence, which ran from Summer '89 through Spring '90. The RFK shows are as good as any of the more famous shows from this period, including July 4 in Buffalo, July 7 in Philadelphia, and the Alpine run,” says David Lemieux, Grateful Dead archivist and the set’s producer. “When Bob Weir has asked me to provide copies of Grateful Dead songs to give to his bandmates to learn and rehearse, he almost always requests Summer '89, and I've often drawn upon the RFK shows for this purpose. It's really that good!”

Both shows feature standout moments, but the July 12 show is notable for a few reasons. Perhaps the biggest is that the first set featured at least one song sung by each of the band’s four lead singers – Garcia, Weir, Lesh and Mydland – something that rarely happened. Another surprise came when the band opened the second set with “Sugaree,” a song that almost always appeared during the first set.

Pianist Bruce Hornsby — who briefly joined the band between 1990 and 1992 — is featured on both shows. He played accordion during “Sugaree” and “Man Smart (Woman Smarter),” with a touch of keyboard-tinkling, on July 12, and then played more accordion the following night for “Tennessee Jed” and “Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again.”

For fans of Mydland’s tenure with the Dead – which began in 1979 and ended in 1990 with the keyboardist’s tragic death – these stellar shows capture that incarnation in peak form. Among the long list of highlights are performances of live staples such as “Eyes Of The World,” “Wharf Rat” and “I Need A Miracle,” along with rarities like “To Lay Me Down,” which was played only a few times in 1989. The July 13 show also features the band road-testing “I Will Take You Home,” a track Mydland wrote with Dead lyricist John Perry Barlow that would appear later that fall on Built To Last.

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i finally checked out the listening party sampler, actually i have been somewhat familiar with the 7/13/89 show for a while having attended it, and i do have a downloaded copy, but with all the hoopla about brent's vox i had a listen this past weekend (for the first time since this release was announced), sometimes i'm in the mood for brent's vox and sometimes i'm not but i have always considered him a strong vocalist with probably better pitch than bob or even jerry, i thought most of the "but i'll get back on my feet" bridge section harmonies were about as strong as bob/jerry/brent get (which is pretty dern good), however during the i'll get up and fly away section it sounded a little funny, sounded to me like brent may have chose an unusual harmony note rather than he was missing the note he was going for i remember having a great time in the pouring rain at the show and i would love to own this release but its priced a wee bit too high for my comfort level, i passed on the warlocks set for the same reason although i attended the dark star nite of that little run also
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I'm wondering when and if there will be some sort of video reveal/unveiling? The packaging has been visually impressive as of late. I would expect this one to look pretty cool as well, but hopefully jewel cases instead of those slip sleeves (GSTL, May '77, July '78) where discs can come loose in transit, or those abrasive cardboard slipcases that scratch up discs.
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I’m also wondering about the packaging. I’m hoping that sizewise, it’s similar to the Warlocks release. Also wondering about shipping. Will they use UPS like they did with GSTL or regular USPS? The release date of 11/10 is a USPS holiday but not a UPS holiday.
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On the subject of Texas music, I was happily surprised to see a photo of the great Roky Erikson on here a few weeks ago. The 13th Floor Elevators are one of the all time greats when it comes to psychedelic rock music. Going off the few live recordings I have heard from 1966, they were the best live band in the world playing this type of music at that time. Sadly their time was not long, but those first two albums "Psychedelic Sounds Of.." and "Easter Everywhere" are amazing listens-even today. I actually saw the man himself live about 10 years ago when he came to London for a one off gig. Everyone wondered what sort of condition he would be in...but he seemed fine. He still had the most blood curdling scream I have ever heard. For the most part he steered clear of Elevators music, concentrating on his subsequent horror rock songs, like "I Walked With A Zombie" and "Night Of The Vampire". He encored with "You're Gonna Miss Me". A truly memorable night.
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Hey folks! I live. This box... I'm on the fence. Worth it?
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Where you in jail? ;)
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To each their own. I'll preface my comments by saying I'm a huge fan of the Brent era, and particularly the time frame of Summer 1989 through Spring 1990. That said, I believe the RFK shows were the worst two shows of the 1989 Summer tour. I still would have been in (even at an increased cost) had they included video. Sadly that is missing, so I see this boxed set as a lost opportunity. Is it worth it ? To me, no. But I can't speak for others.
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Including the video would have been ideal. Perhaps.... 1. the videos will still be released as part of a larger '89 box. 2. maybe they're planning some kind of paid streaming service like for Dead & Co. 3. holding off to see how well the audio release sells before committing to a video release (Dave mentioned video sales overall weren't particularly lucrative) 4. ? I haven't really listened to these two shows a lot. Not often enough to rate them as compared to others from this particular tour. From what I saw at this years "Meet Up at the Movies" and the sample provided, I'll probably get a lot of mileage out of this one. The Alpine '89 run on the other hand is the big one. Still bugs me that they cannibalized the first sets from the first and third nights for the DVD.
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Just heard the new, second SiriusXM special by David today regarding this release. I am even more excited than before! Even though the listening was in the car, over SiriusXM (not exactly audiophile quality) the mix and the mastering is stunning! If you are a fan of the 89'-90' era..this one is a monster. The Other One into Warf Rat is just bone rattling. Phil was not taking prisoners. This specimen of Jerry's tone is the answer to why we all put him up so high on that great player pedestal...just listen to the last 2 min of Warf Rat if you need an example. This will go down as a great release. In years to come, it will fetch the kind of silly money that the Road Trips series now gets (if you have a question of its value). I can not wait for the 89' Cal Expo box...sign me up! (hint for David!)
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Those words will make Spacebro drool.Looking forward to receiving my copy.
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I caught the show this morning. You're right on the money Frankie Lee, They nailed the mix.
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We went to these shows . When I heard the interplay of Bruce and Jerry at meet up at the movies A flashback of Jerry smiling ear to ear , the whole band dropping it into Overdrive I can't wait to hear the second night through my home stereo at the highest volume allowable . I guess the only way to understand how lucky we are to get Killer board mixes of shows. Brake out a third generation audience TAPE ,from 1989 , Then you will gladly pay to own the superb clarity of the perfect assembly of the band . We are so spoiled , We are so lucky Its all about your perspective ,how much you appreciate the music that is unavailable . THIS IS WHAT I KNOW I WILL HERE ,, AND I CANT WAIT ! Though , I can't wait to find out what's in Daves bag of tricks for # 24. Chris K

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Hoping this surprises me. I was only at first day, and it was fun and there were moments, but wasn't one of "those" shows, didn't stick to my ribs. But then the Terrapin Limited show, for me, was the weak night of that Landover '90 run, and that release not only sounded great sonically but revealed more was going on musically than I'd been able to receive from our less than optimum seats that night. (Cool view of Brent, though.) Well, and, famously, the off show Jerry pushed Phil over turned out to be an Anthem-worthy tape.... I'm not sayin' RFK '89 is going to be Valentine's Day '68 ~ and I still prefer those other two nights of Landover '90 ~ but it's a classic GD dynamic that some tapes shine when liberated from their subjective immediate circumstances....
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Isn't it time to start debating Dave's Latest? Last one for 2017.
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I wonder if this will be similar to the "Formerly The Warlocks" and Spring '90 boxes, including ticket stubs, backstage passes and the tour info handbill for this venue stop? Those were nice additions to include with the CDs. The mail order tickets had the Eye of Rah for one show and a rose for the other.
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Why must everyone always try and guess and debate what the next Dave's Picks or box set is gonna be? Who cares? We'll all know when it's actually announced. Am I an asshole for asking this? YES, but I'm an asshole that likes surprises and thinks that speculating is a waste of time.
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I'm gonna guess it's a show that they played between the years 1965 and 1995 and hasn't been released yet to the public. Wow, that was less fun than I thought it would be.
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It’s like trying to guess the lottery numbers, but doesn't cost $1, or $2 if you prefer powerball.
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Well, i don't see any harm in having fun wondering what the next treat to come our way is. Coming from a different angle here...i really hope it's NOT one of the Berkeley shows from October/November '84 as I'd love the whole run to be released as a box set sometime. I've been on a 1980/81 kick recently and have been pretty impressed with what I've heard...05/09/81 up next. Let's hear the announcement Dave !.
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They're both well known shows that most serious Dead fans have, but I'd LOVE to have a remastered/restored version of 7/18/1972 at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City, NJ or 9/28/1972 from the Stanley Theatre in Jersey City, NJ. Then again 8/24/1972 from Berkeley Community Theatre, 10/25/1973 at Dane County Coliseum in Madison, WI, 6/23/1974-Jai Alai Fonton in Miami or the complete 9/11/1974 Alexandra Palace gig (of which a small portion is featured on Dick's Picks 7) would all be supreme as well. Hell, I'll be happy with whatever shows up at my door in November or in 2018.
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Yes, that 07/18/72 New Jersey show is a killer...i have a superb soundboard recording of that one and would love for it to be released...i may be wrong but it may be outside the realm of a DP selection as i recall it running to 4 discs...here's hoping though !.
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Has anyone else seen this RSD balck friday list? Its showing a 5xLP Dead release called "Grateful Dead Records Collection" by Rhino... Just wondering if this is another studio collection release... I also saw a Jerry Garcia x Howard Wales "Side Trips, Volume One" 2LP release on the list. https://s3.amazonaws.com/recordstoreday/2017/2017_BLACK_FRIDAY_PUBLIC.p…
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"5LP Box Set containing: Wake Of The Flood, From The Mars Hotel, Blues For Allah, Steal Your Face (2 LPs). Each album will be faithfully replicated, housed in a rigid slipcase, with a book containing liner notes and iconic photos of the band. Limited Edition of 5,000." http://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/9844 Very nice!
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I too have been on a 80/81 kick lately. I love the Stella Blue release from my hometown 7/5/81 Zoo Amphitheater show that was on the Amazon exclusive version of the LST soundtrack. Would love to see that show released in full.
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More Bruce...there's got to be another good one
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That show is really special for me. Any word on price for vinyl box set ? I heard about that one a few days ago. I'm on the fence for that because I already have all three albums. The two studio I have are both the Mobile Fidelity pressings along with first pressings. Not sure it would be an upgrade over the MoFi copies I own ? Also Rhino !!! What's up with the Merch for RFK Summer 1989 box set ? How about a cool patch or pin or something , please no print \ poster
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Haven’t seen any info on price for LPs. Certainly is tempting though.
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I must be missing how and where to order this. Will this only be available in local record stores?
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i think its limited to 5,000 at first on Black Friday and then they may have an edition that is not limited. but the LE will most likely be long gone by then. I am guessing it will be about $100 -120 in stores Heck $65-75 would be about the right price in my opinion Box Set of the Futuro haha Fox 1972 !!! Universal Amp 1973 !!! Philly Spectrum 1989 !!!
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Very Nice indeed! save me one if you're down at GuestRoom please!
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Very Nice indeed! save me one if you're down at GuestRoom please!
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Love how that "Sugaree" just pops out of the speakers, and that's just on my laptop. This "Let It Grow" is truly epic. Worth getting this box just for that. Jerry and Brent are just ripping it up. The mix is phenomenal. Can't wait to hear it properly.
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Having listened to 9th October 1989 and 16th October 1989, I am having second thoughts about buying this. Those two shows are truly epic...although I wasn't so keen on 8th October, with its godawful version of Eyes. I wonder how this new release compares to the shows in October?
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10/8 and 10/9 were truly epic. As was 10/16. They are in a league by themselves. The playing in RFK Summer 1989 is very solid and well done. But the (entire) rest of the 1989 Summer Tour was better--before AND after. If this is a strict comparison of the Hampton shows + Weir's birthday 10/16/89 vs. RFK, the October shows win in a landslide vs. RFK.
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Thanks for the feedback. I think I'll leave this release after all. I do like the October shows mentioned-and October 26th from 30 Trips-but overall, 1989 isn't a favourite year of mine. If these shows aren't even the highlight of the tour they were played on, maybe I'll leave them for someone else to get. Especially since I've been lucky enough to have bagged a subscription for Daves Picks this year. No doubt that this 1972 show is worth having!
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I have mine ordered and looking forward to some more '89. plenty of people were clamoring for dave's 24 to be something from 89. but dave said in a video if a dave's picks and box set come out the same month both releases won't be from the same year. thanks for posting up some taper's sections photo. the Hampton Box set is great and has great sound. but I will say it seems to me Brents keys are on the low side during the Foolish Heart Opener. if you can get your hands on the Formerly Warlocks Box id recommend it. this box set is worth it to me cuz I love '89. I agree with bob weir I think its a peak year too. and also serves as a precursor to what Spring '90 could be. also Hampton is a great place for Phish and the Dead. I really like what two dead shows I have and every phish Hampton show. yeah if you're not a fan of 89 its probly not worth it to you. and yeah it might be pricey for two shows. I mean phish puts out a two show box set for under 40 bucks. but they also are pretty skimpy on packaging they don't do a booklet w/ essays. just a simple sleeve box set that holds individual cd paper sleevers but not like that rough ass cardboard for Road Trips.
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Special show for me. had the chance to sit on the board second night. steady diet of espresso that night. Healy gave me the headphones and he had to pry them off me mid second set. Jer and Bruce and brent had unique bond, you could feel it whenever he played with them. great release and amazing mix.
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I cancelled my order on this after the 2nd listening party sample. As a newcomer to the Dead scene, I've purchased over 20 shows from all eras, and while there are some bright spots on the late 80s music, the early 80s features much better performances with much better vocals from Brent Midland. His voice isn't all raspy and strained on my older 80s shows, such as Grateful Dead Go To Nassau, Dead Set, and 30 Trips Around The Sun from Cape Cod 1979 (I forget the date). It's a shame, because there is some great playing in there (Jerry and Brent in Wharf Rat from 6:00-8:00 are jamming nice!). I guess Brent's voice just degraded over time, which is only natural. It happens to the best of singers as their careers went on (Brian Johnson, Roger Daltrey, Steven Tyler, Mick Jagger, etc). But it's almost impossible to enjoy something like Cassidy from this listening party, with that raspy voice that is comparatively monotone to Donna's in the late '70s on Cassidy, which is a very beautiful duet, and what I would consider one of her strongest songs.

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I hear you about the change in Brent's voice. I think of it as "gritty" rather than "raspy." And funny, I actually don't think he sounds like Brent until then!, his '79-'80 harmonies sound more generic to me. Like he's learned the parts put isn't infusing his own soul into them yet. He was surely capable of an off night, but to my ears the "grit" version doesn't correspond to a decline in singing ability, a la the veterans you listed. (You could add Bowie & Elton John, who fled to a lower octave relatively early in their careers ~ though their voices remained distinctive.) I truly hear it as more soulful, and him bringing his own personality to the party. Obviously I'm biased, having fallen in love with the Dead at just that moment, including the element of Brent's voice. To me, his harmony on "Know You Rider" and "Uncle John's" will always be classic.... I agree that "Cassidy" is one of Donna's lovelier harmony vehicles. "Looks Like Rain," too.
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I guess I just don't dig his gritty blues voice and prefer a little more harmony in the backups over dual-leads. By that I mean what I've noticed with Brent is that he doesn't really harmonize (sing the line melodically different than the lead vocalist to achieve a different net effect). For example, someone recommended Ladies and Gentlemen this morning on the other thread, so I put it on since I happen to have that one. During Uncle John's Band, there's a lyric that goes "like the morning sun you come and like the wind you go". There are three people singing the line. Jerry is the lead, and then I guess Bob Weir sings the line with pretty much the same intonation, but the 3rd person (Phil Lesh? Pigpen?) sings the same line with a different melodic intonation. The net result is a breathtaking moment where two different, slightly different vocal melodies come together to make harmony. That doesn't happen that I've heard with Brent's backups. With the Brentster, it's typically him singing the same line with the same melodic intonation as the lead vocalist, which doesn't yield the harmonic effect. So that's what I mean when I say he doesn't really provide harmony vocals so much as dual lead. But that's cool, everyone likes their own toppings on their Sunday, you know?

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Indeed they do. My old band was recording our album years ago and the engineer kept wanting to mix both the lead & harmony vocals in the middle, to create a single effect of the intertwined voices. We kept saying, no, pan them! "But then you'll get a dual lead vocal like Lennon and McCartney!" he complained. "Exactly!! That's what we want!" Drive My Car, You Know My Name.... You tipped me to crank "Go To Nassau" in my car this afternoon. Love that release, especially disc one, great performances and sweet sound. The hottest Lazy Lightning/Supplication? Some candidates: Go to Nassau (5/15/80), expanded Dead Set (10/13/80), Dick's 25 (5/11/78), 12/30/81 LOVE Jerry's half-rhythm/half-lead comping on Supplication...one of my favorite Dead jams.
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You got to record an album?? That's awesome bro, I wish I'd done things differently and become a recording engineer. What kind of music? I have Nassau and Dead Set, and probably listem to them most after Sunshine Daydream. The Jack Straw into Franklin's Tower is stunning. I noticed in the 70's versions of Tower, Jerry passes the rhythm off to Keith and Bob, and then he solos for a good portion. But on Nassau, Jerry holds down the rhythm for a much longer period, and it sounds awesome!!! And it's up-tempo through the whole song, and then he tears through a solo, picking the main riff on one string, wow! Rocking version. The Playing is really hot too. Mr. Brent's Hammond sounds perfect. Personally, I think think this is his best sound, but it's largely absent from the later 80's shows. I love this band!
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I got into the Dead in the early 90s so I missed most of the great stuff. When I first heard Brent, I was like "who is this Michael McDonald knock off?" I didn't warm up to him for a long time, but the more I listened, the more he grew on me. There was a sweetness to his soul that came through his voice, and he did wonderful things on the keys. The way he and Jerry played off each other, and the obvious joy that Jerry showed when playing off of Brent, endeared me to Brent. If you can get your hands on a copy of Without a Net, I highly recommend it. If you only have one album from that era, that should be the one. Brent's vocals are spot on. Worth getting for its fantastic versions of Althea, Cassidy, Walking Blues, Help on the Way, and Eyes of the World (with Branford!). If you're going to critique the Dead for their vocals, there's certainly no dearth of material to choose from - in any era. Like everything else, when the vocals were on, they were great, but when they weren't, they were cringeworthy. Some of the live stuff I've heard from American Beauty (Attics of My Life, Brokedown Palace) is absolutely atrocious: pitch wavering all over the place trying to find the notes. Also keep in mind that they overdubbed their vocals on some of their live releases (I think Europe '72 and Without A Net), so what you might hear might be a lot better than what happened at the time. I don't have a choir background, but I do have musical experience, and what I've found is that generally Brent's vocals are solid. I feel like he was often the rock that kept the other vocal parts in line. What really impresses me is how he hits those high notes without going into falsetto. When I listen to the Dead, I don't listen to it for the vocals. I listen to it for how they listened to and played around each other. AND PHIL'S BASS. That's what got me on the bus. While the Dead might sometimes meander into a Pit of Despair, Phil's bass always brought everything back together. And man, his bass on Sugaree here is sweet! Anyway if you're still here, thanks for taking the time to read this long-winded rave. I'm excited about this release because these mixes from the 24 track masters make me feel like I'm right there at the show and at just the right location to hear everything the way it's supposed to be.
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You should have kept your subscription and sold it later if you didn’t like it. Eventually, Brent might actually grow on you.
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Give Brokedown Palace and Attics of My Life from any 89/90 shows a chance (highly recommend versions from the warlocks shows, 10/16/89, 3/19/90). Brent's great!
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