Grateful Dead

Or too soon? A much more fun topic for discussion than PTSD GoGD FOMO.

The title is meant as a joke. In all the posts on FW '69 and the secondary market 1 point hasn't really been discussed. Many people including many on this site are collectors of something be it stamps coins baseball cards etc. The fact that they want ltd. eds. to stay ltd for retaining value doesn't make them evil. In addition to it being a moral deficiency for a company to go back on its word and make more it's a contractual violation. As a stamp collector I pay huge premiums for stamps on ebay or a stamp collectin store and have no problem with that. Getting to the specifics of '69 for those who claim it's about access to the music getting a digital copy is hardly an issue and will sound the same. But I can't help but believe with those loudly complaining it may be the music but equally important is wanting what I bought with a specific promise 13 years ago. Ask a friend to make you a copy, buy it on ebay-the greatest thing for collectors ever- or deal with it. Your trashing of people who are collectors and expecting people who do a great job providing us a great product to go back on their word is getting old.

I suppose I'm grateful to be able to afford all the GD releases with all the millions Rhino and George Soros give me to post on this site and join protests all across the country.

And i raise with Mt. Hood Magic. It is one helluva good tyme to be a picky Audiophile Dead Head and alive.

I live in the middle of nowhere.. so travelling to a record store takes all day and $50 bucks round trip in gas. I get all mine either from a particular RS owner whom I have a relationship with or via the secondary market. It's funny, I think Dennis wrote about this earlier in the day, I have a turntable but moved into a smaller house six years ago.. so I have not set it up yet. One day I will though... and I try to keep up on them as best I can. One other comment, as a reply or in support of snafu's Rhino comment. I hear a lot of people putting Rhino (and dead.net) in the category of cashing in on the almighty dollar. Sort of a sell-out of sorts. Add up the expected gross revenue in a year (which is easy to do) and create some realistic estimates for royalties (yes, the artists should get a reasonable cut), then add in estimates for production costs (knowing this is outsourced), Norman's cut, Plangent Processing costs for the year, Dave's cut, Dave's healthcare and short term disability for injuries sustained filming his seaside chats, Rhino's cut, estimates for warehousing and distribution, the cost of outfitting MaryE with a new bicycle four times a year for delivery, add in healthcare and tax.. oh, and set aside say 10% for profit and overhead which is a low estimate. If you took the time to add reasonable estimates for each bucket, there is no pot of gold here at all.. just an idea that allows for a small few to pay their bills and perhaps put their kids through college. Just my opinion.. but this is less a money grab and more a mom and pop operation that might just have a heart and soul. Again, my opinion, I could be wrong.

Off that "Complete Live Rarities Collection." Nothing will ever be complete with this band... no offense to the completist. Thing was worth the money, though I probably had most of it. I don't know. Just like I signed up like a sucker for that oncoming, "Best Repackage You Can Pay For Again" coming out soon. I said yes to that request thing y'all (seriously?) got behind because 1973 or whatever was a good year just like most of the rest. And I'll play along. As a registered D______, I signed some hippie's petition on a clipboard for some feelgood politician in front of the public library - today. Just trying to help his day along, like offering the fiver to the homeless person. I try to be nice. It's complicated. Complicated like how Verizon had millennials outside this rad pizza joint I frequent where I can order online and blast in and emerge, unscathed, and enjoy my pie. They wanted to sell me their goddamn (insert here, blah blah blah) fucking phone plan today at lunch. Anyone else hate running the gauntlet of just wanting to enter a business, give money and leave without having to deal with parasites outside the entrance? Don't tell me about pitying those who worked the shit jobs. I've had a plum one now for 20 years, running things - but I earned it; I've been a janitor, phone annoyer, newspaper boy and fire damage mitigator. I've walked that shit mile in those shoes. Pretty funny, the energy some focus onto these boards, like, as if, in the next master planning session at Rhino HQ, some bigwig is gonna go, "well, I have it on good authority that some of the prominent posters on Dead.net would really like a reissue of the 1969 box. That's good for over one hundred units sold right there!" Something horrible came on, and I changed it to, "A Horse With No Name." later

Jim yeah I imagine that boxset was the cause of many heated arguments at home lol. and I also imagine it probly was the cause for bad or ruined credit. I just cant imagine everyone being able to just plunk down 800 dollars I think plenty of people went and bought it on a credit card knowing full well they couldn't afford it. people buy cars they can't afford why not a box set? so I'm begging them to please, pleeaaaase for the love of god just do a mini box this year.

Is April 21. They are starting to announce stuff now. Zep is releasing a 7" with 2 unreleased songs. There's sure to be more to come soon. Without trying to start something rsd is where the 2nd market comes in handy for me. I work Saturdays so I have to ebay the stuff I really want. I don't really resent it but I think it would turn the heat down a bit if they limited sales to rsd and ltd eds. to say 5. A few are ok This year I bought 2 Dave's extra one for my next gen deadhd nephew who is a Deadco fan but really wasn't into the GD until the sub and is hearing the range minus of course the 80's. Speaking of 80's for me some of the best shows I saw in that decade and with a double caveat emptor would make a great box set was the fall northeast tour of 83. They did release 1 as a dick's and 1 in 30 trips but there are another dozen plus that are superb.Hendrix freak I feel your pain back in the 90's I bought 65 shows bootleg. I do think that one of the reasons they and other boots have crashed in value is the quality was often crap and collectors are becoming more discerning now. Soltzus here's a place I think we can agree on judging from your posts. I'm a Zappa Freak and have been for 50+ years. I have everything he has ever released. The one problem with FZ releases is unlike the Dead his shows were very visual and you loose something just listening. Final housekeeping point. A lot of people here refer to Rhino as a business that makes decisions based solely on the dollar. While obviously they are a business which means the bottom line there's more to them than that. Even though they have become part of the Warners conglomerate they still retain something of their original mission. They were/are music lovers and while they naturally want dinero there's the love of music and pride in giving people something special. I know I'm glad they've put out all those collections from the Reprise Fugs to The Rascals Box the special Butterfield live double and the great Doors shows. Rhino Handmade was something special

I would like to say that I do not buy these releases strictly for the music. The truth of the matter is I always buy several copies and make coasters and bong bases out of the extras. I assure you there's nothing more pleasurable then setting down a Redbreast on Dave's Picks Vol. 1 Disc 1. To see those spacey light saber skeletons and the Star Wars artwork as I pick up my glass for a sip of premium Whiskey, is topped only by the slow gurgling of a hit off a homemade bong topped with Blue Dream, as I look down at the cool teal disc from 2/28 that says Fillmore West. Life is good. Had I realized their worth, I would have made a lot more.

that's one expensive ass coaster as Dave's 1 is always up for a thousand dollars. but vguy in here I believe actually got 1-4 at a flea market for exceptional price. so theres always flea markets and possibly used stores probly cuz someone chucked out someone's belongings or someone couldn't make the storage bill or got evicted from an apartment and just didn't know what they had of worth.