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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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  • LoveJerry
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    You wrote "if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for." with all due respect,Your "argument" makes no sense and has no relevance to the discussion here. By your definition of "perceived value", nothing is worth anything (or everything is worth anything you want it to be). The discussion point here, is that the CD sets here are more valuable if they are no longer available at retail prices. $800 for Fillmore West or whatever the going price is, is not a perceived value it's the actual value. It's no different than the rookie Hank Aaron baseball card. It used to be worth the nickel you paid for the pack of cards, now it's worth much more because it's an old out-of-print collector's item. I think you were waxing Gestalt. Are we really here or do we just think we're here.....snafu's summary of stamp collecting is a good analogy too.
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    Gold has no value?
    Gold is one of the most important natural resources in the Earth. If you don't believe me look of the uses for gold in the sciences, engineering and computer science. Without gold the modern world and its technologies could not and would not exist. At this point in human history gold is invaluable and a limited resource so it will continue to increase in price. Thats why tech companies are looking into gold reclaiming methods from obsolete device. Recycling precious, conductive and non-reactive metals is an up and coming billionaire dollar business in developing nations right now. Unfortunately the poorest of the poor often do the labor and are exposed to toxins,carcinogens, and unsafe working conditions to bring us our electronic toys. Many Americans and "first-world" citizens still ignorantly benefit off the backs of the less fortunate. Its not just our clothes, running shoes, and soccer balls anymore.
  • kyleharmon
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    perceived value: a customer's
    perceived value: a customer's opinion of a product's value to him or her. It may have little or nothing to do with the product's market price, and depends on the product's ability to satisfy his or her needs or requirements.
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    value
    Reading through all these posts makes me glad I invested all my money in tulips. Their value will never go down.
  • snafu
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    Collectors value
    To those who in response to my post on collectors say they never think of the value to other collectors or the market I understand but that just means your not a collector in the way I and most collectors define it. Not good not bad just irrelevant to the post. And to be honest "collectors" can be a little of both. My stamp collecting is 2 things to me. The value is definitely important but since I look at stamps as little works of art especially the older issues they have an aescetic value. As for GD releases it's much the same 1st comes the music but most definitely when I buy it as a ltd ed the collector in me thinks of the value appreciation. Too the younger members here how would you feel if some Michael Jordan special collectors sneaker was suddenly reissued dropping the value of your in the box etc etc sneaker by 75%
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    Economic illiteracy
    It never fails to amaze me the economic illiteracy that's out there and I'm not just talking about posts here. The price something sells for is its value at that moment not perceived. It could change in a day but at the moment of sale it mpst assuredly is worth that. The basis involves many things. The classic where I live is the price of housing. Houses on the peninsula in the Bay Area are starting at 700,000 minimum. I hear usually frpm non homeowners or people from elsewhere they're not wprth that much. Of course that's absurd since if I price something that the market will bare it won't sell, pretty simple. And addressing the perceived perspective they not only continue to rise but even during the worst of the real estate crash they selling prices took a momentary small dip then flattened out and within a year started rising. At each point along the way the price a house sold for eas its real value. Now as I said there are many thing that impact real npt perceived value. You live in an area where the industrial base collapses -detroit- the real value decreases because demand for housing drops because people are leaving. Another cause of real value change are land use laws. In the Bay Area ther are huge areas of the Peninsula where home building is severely restricted raising the value of what's left.If they suddenly passed a law opening that land to full use the real value of ecosting would obviously crash. The pint os real reasons for real value.
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    S'all about the music, y'all!
    I'm one of those old fuddie-duddie Gen X'ers who bought LPs when i was a kid and still enjoys having the "Real McCoy" item. And best retail CD sound quality, of course. If you are happy with lossy streams/mp3's and earbuds then: Good on you. Just so happens CDs sound the best. That's just the way it is. I have plenty of storage space so it's a WIN/WIN. If i was ever financially forced to sell, i'd be chuffed to just break even money wise. In fact i just bought DiP 6 (dunno why i slept on it for so long) which only leaves 27 missing from my Dick's Picks retail collection. And for the poster with all the Hendrix bootlegs: I'm sure you'd do just fine on ebay or discogs if you wanted to resell. (Might have to work fast due to the unlicensed music though.) As long as i keep my good job and good health, i will continue to buy retail CDs. Killer music and vintage audio gear is my life's one true passion. No kids. No wife anymore. No flash car payments. No regrets.
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    Perceived value
    Agreed. It's in the eye of the beholder. I paid $362 shipped to my door for the MAY 1977 2013 Box Set a month or two ago. Pens out to $26 per disc. The package and booklet are GSTL Ltd. Ed. level too. The shows all have that lovely, aquatic/lyseric jazzy cool Betty Board reverb that just does it for me and my Genalex Gold Lion KT88 output tubes. Def my fave era of the band. It's like they were listening to alot of Steely Dan and/or chasing the Dragon in the tour bus between that run of shows. (That's a good thing imho, Lols.)
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    In case you were wondering....
    ....I didn't sell a puck. "A" puck sold for that.
  • kyleharmon
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    well liberty caps they really
    well liberty caps they really aren't worth 60 bucks a disc. or any other limited product sold on ebay for that matter. they are sold at "perceived value" which is different from the actual value of a product. gold is worthless it serves no purpose. but because people want it cuz other people want it, It has "perceived value" and its expensive. so I mean if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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The fun begin. I ordered one without a problem. HAPPY TUESDAY!!!!!!!! PLAY DEAD DEADLAND
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How long will this stay up? I bet less than 30min. Thanks Dave!
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...set list? C'mon Toronto philler!!!
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Still digging the color palate used for the cover art. Also like the detail of how in step each of the dancers are, they don't seem to be twirlers, I picture more of a style like the cowboy character in the GD Movie getting down in the cowboy boots. And they somehow managed to work the scheduled system maintenance around this release time. Bring it on.. (wouldn't hold my breath for filler material, but fingers crossed).
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did they play Binghamton, anyone know? I have a R-to-R of a Binghamton concert, don't know if it's this one or not. Also, yes, a set list would be nice.
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Cool colors, cool background. The pathways in the background, and the fish skeletons, and the rooster forming out of the flowers make me think Roger Dean (and who doesn't love a good old fashioned Yes album cover). Glad people are purchasing without issue. I wonder if it will take longer to sell out at 2 per order (or is it 2 per customer?) I have this vision of eBay people logging in repeatedly to order two at a time until they have 20. But I guess the shipping cost would not make it worth their while at that point. Well in any case I have my trusty subscription.
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They played four shows there over the years:05/02/70- Harpur College - Binghamton, NY (amen,.. Dicks Picks 8) 11/06/77- Broome County Arena - Binghamton, NY 05/09/79- Broome County Arena - Binghamton, NY 04/12/83- Broome County Arena - Binghamton, NY
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Can we move on from 1977 now? The band toured for 30 years and there are many great years and great shows. Anybody check out Gainesville 1980? Saratoga '83? Landover '88? Dave, let's hit some Brent shows for a change. Thanks for listening.
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So psyched to a have a subscription for the first time this year. This first one is an epic one too. I've been checking out dead.net every day to see if it was out yet. I got the email that it would be released today & I couldn't wait to hear Dave talk about it. Love the artwork too. I am one happy Deadhead!!
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Have the subscription but decided to buy a copy for a friend (he's notoriously late on these sort of things) and ordered with zero issue. Glad to see the site is running like some smooth butter! Artwork is cool IMO, love the colors and the imagery. Currently listening to the 'listening party' for the first time, sound is awesome!
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so instead i'll share my list: "top 50 original grateful dead songs". 01. Terrapin Station 02. Ship Of Fools 03. Loser 04. The Other One 05. Brown Eyed Women 06. Bertha 07. Jack Straw 08. Wharf Rat 09. Weather Report Suite 10. Playing In The Band 11. Mountains Of The Moon 12. Althea 13. Black Throated Wind 14. Estimated Prophet 15. To Lay Me Down 16. Fire On The Mountain 17. Franklin's Tower 18. Deal 19. Sugar Magnolia 20. Dark Star 21. China Cat Sunflower 22. Blow Away 23. Candyman 24. Friend Of The Devil 25. Black Peter 26. Feel Like A Stranger 27. Shakedown Street 28. Stagger Lee 29. Doin' That Rag 30. Brokedown Palace 31. St. Stephen 32. Sugaree 33. High Time 34. Touch Of Grey 35. New Speedway Boogie 36. Box Of Rain 37. Cassidy 38. Eyes Of The World 39. Truckin' 40. Built To Last 41. Mr. Charlie 42. He's Gone 43. Here Comes Sunshine 44. Standing On The Moon 45. Throwing Stones 46. Crazy Fingers 47. Row Jimmy 48. Bird Song 49. Scarlet Begonias 50. The Music Never Stopped -----
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https://archive.org/details/gd1977-11-06.mtx.seamons.92273.sbeok.flac16 They played Binghampton in 1970, 1977, 1979 and 1983 (though there have always been rumors of other shows in the late 60/early 70s that have evaded confirmation). Set List*: 1)Mississippi Half Step, Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, Mexicali Blues-> Me & My Uncle, Friend Of The Devil, Minglewood Blues, Dupree's Diamond Blues, Passenger, Dire Wolf, The Music Never Stopped; 2)Samson & Delilah, Sunrise, Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain-> Good Lovin'-> Saint Stephen-> Drums-> Not Fade Away-> Wharf Rat-> Saint Stephen-> Truckin', E: Johnny B. Goode * Possibly other tunes on the Official Release.
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Dave drops this so casually... did we already know about it?? I’m a subscriber, but I must have missed that announcement — the good news just keeps coming around!
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Took about 40 minutes by my count..
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Having attended Toronto and Binghamton (I could not make it to Colgate :(and owning R to Rs of both shows until recent downsizing, I always LOVED the Toronto show (small venue, great list and great "little versions" of BIG tunes) and felt (at the time) that the band was a little tired in Binghamton (Slow tempos if I recall) And I believe that this was the show where Billy needed "a light" as well as nice (one off?) of Mexicali > Me and My Uncle Having recently been a little "scalped " on being a late purchaser of the Eugene show,I am opting in....looking forward to "attending" this show again
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In 48 minutes.
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The email arrived 10:12 but I was working in the kitchen. Got here 5 minutes ago and they're sold out. Sure glad I subscribed. First year I've done it.
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Let the complaining begin
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What the price on eBay will be.
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Setlist SHARE SETLIST Set I Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo Jack Straw Tennessee Jed Mexicali Blues Me and My Uncle Friend of the Devil Minglewood Blues Dupree's Diamond Blues Passenger Play Video Dire Wolf Play Video The Music Never Stopped Set II Samson and Delilah Sunrise Scarlet Begonias Fire on the Mountain Good Lovin' St. Stephen Drums Not Fade Away Wharf Rat St. Stephen Truckin' Encore: Johnny B. Goode
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....based on Dave's seaside chat it seems it will be a good year to follow - including what should be a cool & exciting box set of some kind... Not at all surprised this sold out so quickly - people were warned! Hopefully the copies made it into actual Heads' Hands as opposed to Bot Hands... Sixtus
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....clearly your education is not complete. Your list is missing The Eleven and Turn On Your Love Light, Ripple and others. Yes, I know you said "original" and Love Light was not written by the Dead, but they took it to places it to places in '69 and '70 that none did before or since. Epic. Sadly they stopped playing The Eleven in 1970. Now get on with your studies!
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Just got the e-mail today and it's sold out??
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i've never been a big fan of "ripple". IMO it's a lot like bob dylan's "blowin' in the wind". great poem, lackluster song. i've considered creating another list of the best GD covers. if i added covers to this list "morning dew" would be #1, knocking "terrapin station" down a spot. ----
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Awww maaaan....
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I find it next to impossible to believe they processed that many orders since 10:00am...What the f&ck?! Oh well I have a sbd copy of this show anyways
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Oh no!!! It’s sold out already! :(
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I know...me too! Just got the email and gone. :(
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With the amount of Subscriptions sold, there was probably >600 copies out of the original 18k available for a la cart orders
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I willlllll subscribe please subscribe in December (or November) subscribe A LA CARTE IS DEAD (pun intended and not intended.)
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Maybe it is because they warned us 4 days ago with the email that for the first time told us exactly what day and time this went on sale. Has Dave already hinted at which Albuquerque show is next, '71 or '77?
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I'd suggest the decision must encompass the recent pattern: The next box either represents newly returned tapes, and clearly that means lots of '77 and '78 reels in hand from the couple ID'd as the ABCD Corp in liner notes. But recall as well that Dave is holding the Mtn Grrrl returned tapes, a transaction now a couple years old, which I believe I recall had a previously unknown '70 or '71 concert in its entirety. Or, the next box covers a so-far under-represented era for box treatment or even gaps in DaPs. He has spoken of the wealth of material for fall '72 and that such a box is due at some point. We know there's a bias for a) good tapes and b) what sells, while retaining enough of each year to power DaPs for another decade or more. With a '77 DaP for #25 and a '71 for #26 already announced, and believing that 1969 and 1970 inventory is limited (thus only single-show or, perhaps, double-show releases likely), I'd have to place my bet on Summer '73 or Summer '74. With WoS vocals issues, I'm going with a Summer '73 box. (4) shows, (12) discs. That'd fix a hole in the release continuum and take a break from the most-recently-returned-tapes approach. There you have it. Unassailable logic. I mean, I've never been wrong before...
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I think you're right, the logic is unassailable. It will be 72 73 or 74 for this year's box set, if we're lucky. But I wouldn't complain about a rabbit out of the Hat with 1970, the fall is under-represented, because of the whole Bear jail situation, but you just never know what this return of goods May bear. Incredible that they sold 18000 so quickly. I think the dead and Company touring has really helped Dave's Picks sales. And if you still didn't get a copy, it may be time to put your bong down in tune in to the message boards a little more often.
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davidadavis This was also the last of my '77 shows. I saw 7. All have been released so far except for Springfield 4/23/77. That's another great, unique one that needs to get out there.
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Harper College, that was it! Great show!
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I couldn't disagree more with Dave's comments about '77-'78 Dead. He says they were really taking chances in '78, moreso than in '77. No way. '78 was the beginning of the era predictably formatted shows. This is the beginning of the end of the era where the Dead would routinely take chances. Summer of '76 through Spring of '77 was the peak in terms of unpredictability. During that time, songs moved around, jams moved around, and the format was flexible. There were still lots of long jams. That all started going away in Spring of '78.
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Please no more '72 for awhile. There's been far more '72 than any other year, and the Fall sounds mostly like the Spring except for the absence of Pigpen and the addition of a small number of songs.
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Please no more '72 for awhile. There's been far more '72 than any other year, and the Fall sounds mostly like the Spring except for the absence of Pigpen and the addition of a small number of songs.
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Latter half 72 sounds much different than spring. It is probably the one calender year from the 1970s whose set list has changed so much, it's like a different year just about. And the jams evolved enormously in Dark Star, Playing in the Band, China Cat, and The Other One. New songs like Bird Song, Stella, Mississippi Half Step, and so on. Need way more. We've had 2 in like 15 years, maybe more.
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a sweaty sea of Heads! Would be great to add filler from the 5/9/79 (particularly if a SB is in the vault), especially the Truckin' from this show as a comparison. The '79 Broome Truckin' is, I think, one of the most intense of this period, with a cadenza that goes on for ever!
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‘The Last Ones’Winterland October 1974 is screaming to be released. Audio and video.
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Enough 72 already, all shows sound the same. And please no more 77 either, and forget about '71, too many of these released recently. No 80's and 90's, bad sounding tapes and declining Jerry, respectively. 66 & 67 are rough, so none of these two. 68 and 69 have been well covered and set lists are boring. 76 is too slow, 78 is too sloppy, 79 is too inconsistent, 70 has incomplete shows, 75 is non existent, , 74 has bad vocals mix, 73 is too close to 72, which we have too many of anyway.
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Icecreamconekid, I would enjoy that box very much. If I had to choose between that and 1971 Port Chester oh boy. The battle of the multi-tracks. I would definitely like to see a remastering of the winterland stuff. There's something a little bit off about that one with the drums. I think a few people have mentioned that before, no offense to mr. Norman I love man, just would be cool for something more refined. Then I can't decide which one I'd rather have more. I guess since half of the winterland Run came out on the movie soundtrack, I would have to go with Port Chester. Haha cousins, you have me there for a sentence or two! Let's just do it with message boards and that will solve the whole issue
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