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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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  • Mr. Jack Straw
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    Space, let's drop it
    I think the JBP passing puts it in perspective. No one really cares about the endless Era Debate anyway.
  • SkullTrip
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    In Defense of Defensiveness...
    "Defensiveness often reveals an area of our lives where we're in denial." - Kyle Idleman "Defensiveness is usually someone silently screaming that they need you to value and respect them." - Sharon Alder "My defensiveness in life really helps me as a driver." - Larry David
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    Hallucinations: Last Wed. I got up early to see what all the fuss was with the super/full/blood/eclipsed moon or whatever it was. I was out on my front porch drinking some strong coffee in the dark. As I looked West, I found the sinking full moon. Over the next 15 minutes or so, the eclipse hit just right. As I looked through a couple of oak trees, the moon appeared as a SYF. It was actually a pretty nice hallucination as the crickety thin branches formed crows feet lines around the eyes and a mouth. Some times, it does pay to actually wake up. This is all a dream we dreamed...row row row your boat! G
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    Retelling the story again of the miracled S'90 box
    I usually end up telling this almost annually if not more often, because of the smear campaign from the "clique"....just for some context. Lengthy post ahead... Prior to the announcement of the second Spring '90 box, I had been actively advocating for Dave to fulfil the promise of era diversity of picks in the Dave's Picks series, as per originally advertised with the flashing dates from their entire career. After the first several picks came out, and every one of them from the same general time frame in the 70's with one lone exception from the 60's, my advocacy became more of a tone of disappointment. Around this time I became hit with financial difficulties (medical related actually, plus loss of job at same time). I even hit a point where I became homeless for a couple of months (I haven't told that part of the story here, so this is the first time mentioning my personal affairs here). I knew there was no way I would going to be able to afford any luxuries for a while, but did have the subscription. This is when the S'90 (TOO) box announcement dropped. My frustration and disappointment at the lack of variety in the Dave's Picks series was compounded by the fact that they were finally releasing something I was truly interested in, but it wasn't inexpensive, so was priced out of it. With the track record of previous limited edition box sets like FW '69, the two Winterland boxes, E'72, the 1st S'90 box, most of which I missed out on at the time, knew it would sell out before I could afford one. I expressed frustration and disappointment that fans of later era's had to shell out larger sums of money than a subscription or ala carte. This is when jrf68 totally dstepped-up and surprised me by offering to help me get a S'90 (TOO). I was hesitant to accept, as I've never had a complete stranger offer me something, I thought would be too good to be true, so initially leaned towards declining the offer. I also wasn't very keen about giving personal information to a random person online I've never met. After a couple of days of sitting on that, I had recieved a bunch of personal messages urging me to take him up on his offer. Jrf68, being the true gentleman and brother he is, in a true selfless act of generosity, facilitated some kind of crowdfunding effort to get me a box. I had no idea to what extant he did this, or even who all donated. I wasn't "in the know" of how he was going about this and with whom. All I know is several people stepped up, and I continue to thank them and express my gratitude for his and their generosity, as I have on many of these threads for the last 5 years. Jrf68 offered with no strings attached or expectations to have to repay him, though I've offered on to purchase releases for him as compensation, yet he so far has declined to accept (or already had them on order). A true act of class from one of the coolest people I've never even had the pleasure to meet in person. He truly personifies the spirit of what being a Deadhead is supposed to be. Kind and generous, even to complete strangers. The unfortunate thing is, jrf68 was attacked by the "clique" for helping me out. While they have since held resentment towards me for expressing my opinions, personal tastes and criticisms of the pick choices, as well as being miracled a S'90 box with no strings attached, their treatment of him is inexcuseable. This probably won't be the last time I have to explain myself and this story, unfortunately. Some people, who more often than not get what they selfishly desire, harbour resentment towards those they disagree with for catching a break, like being miracled a box set (one that I neither solicited to get, or asked for....it was offered freely....and I hesitantly accepted at the urging of others). It's always been clear to me that some who harbor resentment towards me for expressing my desire to see more 80's releases in the Dave's Picks series, have used the miracle box was part of an agenda to shut me down. My final point of this post is directed at AJS.... You've been an asshole to me for years. You say you put in $20 towards the box jrf68, yet turned around and attacked him for helping me out and attacked me for recieving it. After treating me like shit, you turn around and attack me for not handing you money for crowdfunding for other people (did those people even ever get their boxes you crowdfunded for? I haven't seen any mention of them recieving them anywhere since). Why would I hand over a single dime to somebody I've never met, who for years has been spiteful, rude and mean to me? There's a reason I blocked you from sending me pm's. I even felt the need to bring your last pm to me to the attention of MaryE. You definitely don't want me to publicly share that message that I blocked you over. My suggestion is...get over it....move on. If my expressing the advocacy of more 80's releases, expressing opinions of 80's shows and criticisms of not following through on advertised promises of variety in the Dave's Picks series bothers you so much, that's your problem. I've even reached out on multiple occasions to find a way to put our differences aside, yet you refuse. Oh well.... Ostracizing is as against the spirit of the Grateful dead as it gets.
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    I think you are confusing him with Bob Bralove.... "I just read that John has died. 70 years old. This is a hard pill to swallow and it will take me weeks to process this. Condolences to all who knew him and worked with him, to his family and to Bobby, I just don't have the words, like he did, to explain this feeling. One of the great Dead lyricist and no one will ever replace him. His work on Infrared Roses (one of the best "space exploration" dead lp's out there) was nothing short of genius. Second Sight was a great band and one I wish I had seen before they disappeared like the wind. 70 years old. Think about it, we all know our time is short on this blue ball, so make every moment count, you never know when the reaper will come for you. Thank you John, say hello to Bear and Jerry in that tye dyed part of heaven that I hope I get to visit. Vaya con dios my friend."
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    Well said, Unkle Sam. I am also sorry if I have made people angry in the past by going on about what I like and what I don't like. We all have more in common that we have differences. Its a shame we can't always seem to debate things without resorting to personal attacks. Liking the Dead, maybe especially in England, is quite a specialist interest, so we may not have the opportunity to discuss things concerning the band anywhere else but on here. A couple of weeks ago, I was listening to shows from March and April 1972 . Then I switched track, and started listening to shows from 1982. A fascinating study in contrasts-but not one I can discuss with the next door neighbour. Or on here it seems-it has become such a loaded topic. Maybe even saying this is provocative-but I hope not-its meant well.
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    A lot of people are "signing up" for the "digital petition" to get 6/10/73 released (along with 6/9). I think even cooler than having the music released, would be if we truly all bonded together to get our voices heard and our online family recognized. I think it would be awesome if, along with this release, Dave mentioned us in the Seaside Chat and maybe even the liner notes. Nothing is impossible, and I have had email responses from DL himself in the past. 1973 is in Dave's "wheelhouse" and 6/10 is a very high demand show, from a period during the year where we haven't had a release - so I really believe, if ever there is a chance that the online community's vote could sway the tides, this is it. Why not, right? http://www.dead.net/show/june-10-1973 Just put RELEASE as the subject and I'LL BUY IT in the comment section. Jack Baller voted as I'm writing this - that's 40! "I'll ride the wave where it takes me...."
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    Thanks, man. That made my morning, and will definitely keep me chuckling throughout the day.
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    .... on the same thought vein, I had a customer in one night and asked if he'd like a "FREE" lighter. His reply, "what type?" I looked at him for a moment and said "a fuckin' free one!"
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    Pretty impressive to look at. This is just what he did with the Dead: Mexicali Blues Cassidy Looks Like Rain Walk in the Sunshine Black-Throated Wind Let It Grow (Weather Report II) Finance Blues The Music Never Stopped Lazy Lightnin' Estimated Prophet Heaven Help the Fool I Need a Miracle Easy to Love You Saint of Circumstance Lost Sailor Feel Like A Stranger My Brother Essau Throwing Stones Hell in a Bucket Gentlemen, Start Your Engines I Will Take You Home Picasso Moon We Can Run But We Can't HIde Blow Away A Little Light
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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Lotta' neg vibes in the comments today - geesh!
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Enough with 1977! Good era, but if there's only 4 releases a year, how about spreading it out some. And Dave's a good guy, but every one of these seaside chats is "blah blah blah, this is a really great show, so order it now".
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Sounds like it's nap-time here in Deadland. So many cranky campers...
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I would, of course, favor a spring '71 box due to the GREASE factor. But we'll have to settle for Summer '73, just to throw off JimInMD. The first such box -- there will be two, eventually -- will be the Watkins Glen soundcheck and show (5) discs, and 7-31-73 and 8-1-73, (3) discs each. After all, this summer is the 45th anniversary... and I have freakin' endless stories about those shows. Or, at least, the beginning of that infinite week-long series of shows.
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By my calculations, yes there has been a lot of 77 lately, but only because it happened to be the year that they chose for the box set last year. You take that away and you just have a couple Dave's Picks, each from a different leg of 1977. What year would you replace it with and not be able to say the same thing? And of course it couldn't be a year like 82 where there are no good tapes according to the people who maintain the tapes but only because it happens to be the year that they chose for the box that last year you take that away and you just have a couple days pics eat from a different leg of 1977 what year would you replace it with a not be able to say the same thing (and of course it couldn't be a year like 82 where there ate no good tapes according to the people who maintain the tapes). I think when one considers the Dave's Picks series, one can only really consider what's in the Dave's Picks series not what came out as a box set, what came out in a different series. Generally speaking if you count up all of the releases from all of the years it's pretty equal, for the years where there are a lot of good available tapes. Just my observation.
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Rumor is they had planned a '68 box, but no one who attended the shows could actually remember them in order to write the booklet.
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interesting, too, that most '68 shows will fit on a single disc. ForensicDoc and I agreed/postulated that that was due to many GD shows in '68 occurring on a bill with other bands, hence a shorter set. But what sets! We'll get a disc-full '68-er with Anthem reissue. Otherwise, I'm hard pressed to forecast how other '68 shows will reach us. Perhaps two long ones in a single, 3-disc DaP? I can underscore your point with the fact that '73 certainly took its toll; cannot imagine '68. Probably better I wasn't 'there,' or I wouldn't be 'here.'
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Well, there are some mighty good versions of this show in the archives, with lots of reviews on one show and a great Tennessee Jed, The attendees said the band was high as ever, well it is 72, Cosmic Charlie will have the Normanized version up on youtube pretty quick, nice artwork. Who recorded this show, is it a BettyBoard? A lot of attendees said that the first set was a lot better than the second set. You know what, I'll listen to 70's Dead before anything put out today anyday, I listened to the 78 show put out last year, man that is really good, and the bonus disc that came with RT #2, wow, great stuff. What song on 24 has the killer bass effect the most? Norman usually nails stuff, he likes mastering the Dead. OHHH, alright, gotta say something about the guitar mag effects pedal special of the year, I used to love pedals when I played guitar , I was lookin at all those pedals and the guys that were using them , Gilmore used 3 compressor pedals, I loved compressor pedals, Gilmore had a dynacomp, boss and one other one to drive all his delay and reverb pedals. I still have one pedal,its'a mxr custom comp,sounds sweet. I had a Keeley and a Wampler compressor before, but these basically use the Ross circuit. What is cool and different is a good orange squeezer, like Knopler on Sultans of Swing. Not one word about Jerry, He had a booster built into his guitar. Jerry made the envelope filter sing,loved that Mutron 3, less than 100 bucks back when it first came out. Not one mention of Jerry or Bobby in that whole mag, downright depressing.
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Not surprised this sold out. Even without the subscription's near sellout, this was bound to draw a lot of interest. Heavily traded show from a popular year, and has circulated in high quality for many years. An upgrade certainly gets my attention. I love 11/6/77 as much as the next person, but 5/23/82 Greek is elevated to such a higher level of energy and power, that you just have to hear it for yourself. No collection should be without this in it. https://archive.org/details/gd82-05-23.sbd.gorinsky.5058.sbeok.shnf
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To early to muse about Volume 27? I'm leaning toward 12-1-79.
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i'm just like when do I get it? also 2/20/91 is way better than the previous nite. also no word on if there is filler. I get it though why bother paying someone to add a setlist for a show that is going to sell out in minutes and probly get shipped out tomorrow. also there's more '74 than '77 in Dave's Picks. '74 actually dominates the releases
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o4 22 79 brents first show for 27
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I'd like to see the rest of the Veneta week - 8/20-24/72. Go to Deadlists and check the sets - they sure look good to me! Like the '78 box, I love the idea of having the entire week. BTW, has the '78 box sold out? lol
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Would be great if they had a multi track of it. As it is though, not close to Betty Board quality, and a hard listen for me.
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Fuckin' lame -- yet another 70's show. Almost as lame as the prices for Dead & Co. This Dave guy has no care for anything but the 70's Dead which is "a fuckin' shame".
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....good job on changing those last couple of words. Because that was crazy to think, let alone type.
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Just now giving a side by side comparison between 5/23/82 and the "Listening Party" above. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Greek recording. This Healy recording actually sounds brighter, punchier and fuller than Betty's 11/6/77 tapes. I think both shows and recordings sound great. Apples and oranges to me. You can't really judge every tape recorded in '82 based entirely on the 7/31/82 Manor Downs recording as included in 30 TATS or the Alpine Valley Dicks Picks (both of which I like a lot), even as raw as they are. By the time the sound is dialed in a minute or two into the '82 Greek Shakedown, it's like candy for the ears. If it's not your cup of tea, cool. If you want to hear Jerry perform an inspired "They Love Each Other", drop what your doing and check out the link I posted above. It's a good one. The Let It Grow later in the set will leave jaws dropping to the ground, for those not familiar. edit - I have to add that The Other One from 5/23/82 is a monster. Jerry played it like it was '72 all over again. This song was often comparatively (to the pre-hiatus versions) truncated, especially in the 80's, but not this version. They explore it pretty fully during it's 12 minute duration. The Stella Blue that follows speaks for itself. There are some '89 late Spring and Summer versions of The Other One, such as 5/7/89 that get so far out there, that it's a shame that it hasn't already been released. If the Dead were consciously writing setlists to be thematic on occasion, this is a really dark show, almost frieghtening, yet amazing at the same time.
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so much kvetching, people. predictable as rain in Seattle. I would love love love 66, 67, 68 stuff. I really don't think we're going to get much 80s. except I have advocated for a Greek box. except for one date in 68, all Greeks were in the 80s. my old joke: what does a dosed frog say? "Greeeeeeek....Greeeeeek....Greeeeeeeeeeeeek"
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8/1/73 would be awesome. It's one of my all-time favorite Dead shows. Great Dark Star, great Eyes, great Morning Dew - and then they just keep going!
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8/1/73 would be awesome. It's one of my all-time favorite Dead shows. Great Dark Star, great Eyes, great Morning Dew - and then they just keep going!
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If there is anyone out there that is bummed out that there is another releasefrom the 70's, and wants to sell their copy of Dave's Picks to me, I will gladly buy it from you. I missed the subscription for the first time since this series' inception, and was bummed! Was even more bummed out when I saw that vol.25 is sold out all ready. PM me if you don't need another '77 show and want to sell your copy. Thanks! Chris
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first of all, I am sorry. second: the bulk of what you want to hear is in the listening party, anyway. I mean, I like this show and all, but until now, it has left me feeling, "whatever." Especially the Scarlet...rather tepid. with a full Norman, I should get full GD wood with this show. no complaints from me at all. More GD!!! :)))
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Can never get enough 70's, wishing for a 74 BOX set
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I like that. I'm going to keep advocating for a Greek release until either... a) they release at least one (besides the 68 show) or b) I'm dead ...which doesn't mean I'm going to stop advocating for another Red Rocks release, or a Cal expo release, or something from the Frost, or even something from the Blossum Music Theater....
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The Greek 88 copies I had on tape all those years ago sounded pretty good. I have to admit.. I have not really focused on the ones from the Archive that much, but all things considered I think the tape sources from that run sound pretty good to me.
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I have a spare GSTL Box if anyone needs one. It has been opened and all CD’s have been listened to and confirmed to be defect free (5-5-77 CD2 is a replacement because the first one was defective).I’ll sell it for what it cost me plus half of the cost to ship it to you (UPS, U.S. only; if international you pay the shipping and any customs duties). $156 (what is cost me after tax and shipping) $9 (UPS shipping with insurance; U.S. addresses) = $165 PM me if interested.
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i cycle shows on and off my phone (depending on storage) but currently both 5/23/82 and 6/15/85 both happen to be among the rotation. Two great Greek shows, two great sounding boards. As always I'm happy to share if anyone is interested....
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This is a rough two weeks. I wonder if the Truckin' he's raving about is better than the one from a couple nights before (ended up on DP 34). That one caught me by surprise over the summer. Grooving to some Go To Nassau from October '80. I don't know. I like it better than Dead Set. Maybe because it was one of the first Dead CDs I ever heard. Dead Set has a cooler album cover. The Franklin's Tower on Nassau is so damn good. Jerry just wails throughout the solo. The Jack Straw cooks too. Playing in the Band has just the right amount of Hammond. Great mixing. Uh oh, they're home.
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I can ''Burn'' This CD for you when it arrives....Just let me know.No Charge...Just Pay to Ship to you. Thomas.
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How about a 1970 show and include the New Riders set with it? That would be something different and special. May 1970, preferably.
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How about a 1970 show and include the New Riders set with it? That would be something different and special. May 1970, preferably.
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hey now- anyone have the thirty trips box set for sale? if so please dm me. very interested for my own collection or just burn shows-not for resale- i have # 72 box set- was AWAY and missed this box-noticed one of my favorite shows 9/28/75 thanks- definition of integrity-keeping ones word even if circumstances change-thanks
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1982 is my favorite year, Stolzfus. Release after release from Dave, I think a 1982 show will be released that I can buy. I have tapes of those Greek shows that listened to more than any other shows back in the 90's. Bliss for me. But have not listened to those tapes in many years. Its ridiculous that after 25 years of Dick Picks and Dave Picks they have not released a 82 show!! C'mon already, Dave!
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1982 is my favorite year, Stolzfus. Release after release from Dave, I think a 1982 show will be released that I can buy. I have tapes of those Greek shows that listened to more than any other shows back in the 90's. Bliss for me. But have not listened to those tapes in many years. Its ridiculous that after 25 years of Dick Picks and Dave Picks they have not released a 82 show!! C'mon already, Dave!
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1982 is my favorite year, Stolzfus. Release after release from Dave, I think a 1982 show will be released that I can buy. I have tapes of those Greek shows that listened to more than any other shows back in the 90's. Bliss for me. But have not listened to those tapes in many years. Its ridiculous that after 25 years of Dick Picks and Dave Picks they have not released a 82 show!! C'mon already, Dave!
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Five-to-ten, probably, for anyone but Garcia. Another couple magnificent photos posted from that person who seemingly has access to scores of rare brilliant images I always enjoy and have never seen. Listening to a lot of Gregg Allman today. Awesome. Totally stoked about this 1977 show, love me some Seventies Dead. Just grateful that this series is so popular and will likely continue forever. Or at least as long as I'm interested. Cheers all! \m/
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Saw the reference to listening to Greg Allman today - funny, I was listening to the Allman Brothers Fillmore '71 complete recordings that I just recently picked up. Good stuff. I hadn't even realized that it was available until recently.
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Released in 1981 before CD's as a double album on vinyl. Two discs, two sides each @ ~18 to 20 minutes per side. The original format was ill-suited for what they were trying to do. Additionally it was heavily edited, vocals touched up and the like. Admittingly, I loved it.. still do I guess, especially the Fire/Drums/Space/Franklins, but it always felt like they forced it to me. It's incredible that Go To Nassau is the only other release they have so far been able to conjure from the multi-tracks from that tour. Lets hope they are saving something for the 50th anniversary of 1980 (their 15th anniversary as a band) and we finally get another multi-track release from this run. It's hard for me to compare the two, some of the material on Dead Set was hand picked for the album, choice material from the tour. Yet, I find myself agreeing that a single hot show from the same tour recorded to the same standards has a better feel 38 years later...
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I would have bet large sums of money that the remainder of 11/2/77 would have been on here. There's plenty of room, especially at the end of disc two, so perhaps the tracks from 11/2 are on here, but just not listed? Here's hoping . . .
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For those who are lamenting the fact that we're getting another '77 release, check out the rankings for 11/6/77 on headyversion.com. Both Truckin' and Music Never Stopped are "top 5" versions, according to users. That's all the justification you need. In some ways, I think it's hard to find release-worthy FULL shows, but when it's got 2 songs considered "top 5" versions by many, that's pretty good. Even ol' Dave said he'd put this show in his personal top 40. Also, Nov. 6th is my birthday and I went to grad school in Binghamton, so that gives this a certain "it" factor for me. Heh. I actually saw one concert in the Broome County Arena while I was there: Frank Zappa, 3/17/88. That was a great show, too!
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Just where did Hunter come up with the name Jack Straw? Perhaps he had parts of it in his head when he lived in the UK circa 1970?? (think I'm right about that). Ten years ago, if you googled Jack Straw you got John Whitaker "Jack" Straw, who was serving in Parliament from 1979 to 2015, specifically as Home Secretary from 1997 to 2001 and Foreign Secretary from 2001 to 2006 under Tony Blair. You got pages and pages of replies for this guy before you came to the legendary song from Hunter and Weir. Now, I am glad to report.. you get pages and pages of GD related pages related to the song that will surely outlive that talking head. But where did the name come from? David Dodd's Annotated GD research mentions the name Pick Up Sticks was called Jack Straw, it also mentions the name Jack Straw being attributed to people (in England) going back to the 1300's. I would like to think there might be a connection between the British politician who was active as a labor union leader about the time Hunter was living in the UK and the story he and Bobby decided to put to music in the summer of 1971?? (first performed on 10/19/71- Northrop Auditorium, U. Of Minn. - Minneapolis, MN) Sorry for the rant, Jack Strawberry's post and creative username got me thinking of all the Jack Straws in the world. I guess Jack Straw intrigues me still.
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Binghamton is a classic show.. Call it sacrilege, but 77 does not always make my blood boil like say 1974, 1972 or 1968.. but it's a very good year and 11/6 is a great show. I don't plan to go nuts when it arrives, I have listened to this show plenty, I will rip it to file, put in on the shelf in my office next to the last Dave's Picks and eventually listen to it when I am in the mood and properly mood enhanced. But it is a great show, a giant.. and I am very glad to see it get sunlight and proper restoration and remastering. It is more than worthy. The 71 bonanza that's coming our way next.. is a twofer I am not quite so familiar with, so I might have to get electrically mood enhances for the first listen to that one. I am actually more psyched about it. Well, Binghamton too.. go bold or don't go at all, which is exactly what Dave seems to being these days.
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