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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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    I stumbled on this recent Clapton interview where he talks about Mayer cutting three tracks with him for a JJ Cale tribute album - don't think I've shared it yet. The tremendous respect that Clapton has for Mayer as a guitarist is clearly visible: "I don't think he even knows how good he is..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzfrXiD1_Rg
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    47 years ago today. Give it a listen. March 14, 1971 http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/03-14-1971 Camp Randall Field House Madison, Wisconsin
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    extra sensory perceptionplayen in tha band if tha bobby dont brent ya then jerry phil
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    On a day-to-day basis, I think the Dead used to decide ahead of time what not to play more than what to play. For example most of May 77, you rarely if at all so Scarlet fire played two nights in a row. Obviously not an accident. They seem to rotate big jams like that, including estimated prophet / eyes of the world and to some extent help slip Franklin. Same thing with the set openers. On Europe 72 they pretty much alternated Darkstar and the other one , with a couple of minor exceptions . And I think other than that it was pretty wide open. You can hear them talking about what to play next a lot of times, like Dick's Picks 29 and Dave's Picks 12. I don't know how much improvising in the setlist they did by 1995. I imagine with the issues Jerry had that knowing what songs were going to be played ahead of time would have helped his ability to stay as much in the game as possible. Nowadays I don't know, with the stage lighting and that sort of thing if there's a need to know what's coming next for the lighting people. Also I wonder about the general synergy of this new band. I happen to think that making it up as they went along was a huge synergistic Talent of the Grateful Dead's, that's got to be difficult to reproduce. I think of the Dead in their heyday as one unit that was able to do very special things musically, particularly in the way of improvisation on stage.. dead and Company is essentially a cover band. Wait that didn't sound right. What I'm trying to say is they did not forum out of 5 musicians who integrated improvisation into there development as musicians and as a group. I don't think Jerry would care, maybe they just can't remember anymore and need to write it down. I can't remember Jack schitt anymore myself. I apologize about all of the grammar mistakes in here, I am driving and using the voice translator to type this. I guess my last thought on possibilities Ama is that dead and Company know that their fan base comes out to see multiple shows, and they want to make sure they are mixing it up every night.
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    ...headed back to the Europe ’72 tour – not a bad place to be – for the show at Newcastle City Hall. The Dead are absolutely on throughout the night – minus a false start in Beat It on Down the Line – and put together a monstrous 18-song first set. There is so much good stuff in that long first half. Take the Big Boss Man, which, on this night, is phenomenal and a microcosm of what was going on with the band the whole evening. Pig delivers some deeply felt vocals, Jerry tears it up through a few jams, Keith is like a god on keys, Billy is dishing out some serious beats, and Phil drops some absolute bombs. Other first set highlights include the incredible China> Rider and a stout Big Railroad Blues. But the Looks Like Rain might take the cake in the first half with Jerry on pedal steel and just a sick performance by everyone. If the first 18 songs did not impress, do not worry; the second half is even more mind-blowing. A fat and funky Good Lovin’ opens things with both Pig’s relentless vocals and the rest of the band’s groovy, loaded jams. But just wait for that 20-minute Truckin’, which devolves (evolves?) into some epic psychedelic insanity before segueing into Drums. Out of Drums they come out with an even more monumental effort on a 26-minute Other One with an out of sight, Lewis and Clark type exploratory jam that plays around with the Feeling Groovy jam for a few minutes in the middle. The Brokedown closer is just about the best way to send off such an intrepid, colossal show. Fare you well indeed.Newcastle City Hall is a formidable place to play, but also an incredibly famous one. It was a major stop on European tours, and everyone who was anyone had played there at one point or another. The building was opened in 1927 and was in a rather poor state when the Dead came there in 1972. But the real problem with the venue is that it is, as Rosie McGee describes in the liner notes for the official release, "a dour concrete building in the midst of a grim industrial town," with "the warmth of a witch's teat.” Or, as Rock Scully noted in Living With the Dead, the Newcastle City Hall was “an all-around shit gig. A municipal concrete dump, with a balcony all the way round and big, fucking, concrete pillars that interfere with the sight lines.” But the Dead quickly electrified the venue and transformed the place. Again in the words of Rosie McGee, “the concrete walls somehow turned into green pastures.” ... imho- Primo! If you haven’t experienced this show audio wise , I would recommend it to anyone, both new & old fans of the Grateful Dead!..... ;)
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    Irony alert - I guess not everyone has taken their self-awareness pill today.... Spacebro, I had totally forgotten about the Sting/Dead '93 shows - I went to Giants and Jerry came out for Walking on the Moon - not a musical highlight, but fun. An odd pairing indeed. I went though a Sting-solo-career phase - "Ten Summoner's Tales" was one of those CD's I put on when I wanted to hear something a little more "uptown", like Steely Dan. Saw Sting on a late-night talk show recently and he could not have acted any more haughty or pretentious - such a turn-off when you realize some of your musical heroes are.... how to say nicely? ... is "douchebags" too harsh? I met Leslie West of Mountain at a NYC club once - I've almost never met more of an abrasive personality. Chuck Berry, Don Henley and so many others have similar reputations. (How'd I suddenly get so negative? Maybe I need to take my self-awareness pill too.) And I had also almost forgotten about 10/31/91 - one of the Italian bootlegs I reluctantly bought in like '93? - had to have it - haven't listened to that in at least a decade. A pretty good show with the emotional Billy Graham tribute during space: "How do you like your blue-eyed boy now, Mr Death?!!" I have to dust that one off.....
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    I always heard that the Grateful Dead only planned the first one or two songs of each set and the rest were improvised. So I was at the Dead and Co. concert here in Orlando and was texting with an old friend back home playing a "guess the second set opener" to which I said China Cat. My friend replied that I was right because he had seen the setlist online somewhere (before the concert was played). An entirely planned setlist seems a little like "cheating" to me. What are your thoughts? Would Jerry roll over in his grave over a pre-planned setlist?
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    I was thinking the same thing.. no good comes from gazing at shadows in the rear view mirror. Been a bit busy and am enjoying switching up Portchester 71 and FW69.. Explored a nice diversion by Gaelic Park 71 tossed in for good measure. Looking at the calendar today, 3/14 marks the beginning of perhaps the last great tour, Spring 1990. 3/14/90 has become one of my favorite shows of the tour.. not sure why, but the first listen when I got Spring 1990 TOO was late at night, working, listening to headphones. Needless to say I did not get much work done after I started spinning that one.. a great show. We keep getting hit with good, fresh powder by the day here in the mountains East, and having a bit of a drop off in my schedule.. I am taking a half day, gearing up a device and getting ready to do some listening and skiing today.. with a bit of 3/2/69 left that will drift right into the bonus disc material it should be a grand day.. 4/8 is right around the corner too, which marks another epic anniversary. So much music, so little time.. good problems to have.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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Submitted by mustin321 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:42

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I can't wait to hear Dave's Picks 25...when is this gonna go on sale?
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Submitted by SkullTrip on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:42

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Damn! That is a hard stop. I rarely listen past '78 myself, except for the occasional '89 or '90 show (Sorry, gang -- Brent still hurts my ears even after all these years). But drawing the line at the end of the E72 tour? 'Tis a bit flummoxing.
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Submitted by mustin321 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:51

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I'm not an Irish bug...
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Submitted by evilyn2003@hot… on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:58

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First off, I could not agree with KeithFan2112 any more: The Waterbury, CT 9/24/72 gig from the 30 Trips Boxset is an absolute gem and Garcia throws down some of the most explosive leads of his career! I believe that show is SO unbelievably mind blowing that I seriously consider the price of the WHOLE boxset worth it just for that show (of course thankfully it's filled with many other killer shows as well, especially the always classic Cape Cod gig from 10/27/79). The "Dark Star" from 9/24/72 is simply astounding and the show as a whole rivals ANY previously released show from the amazing month of September '72 (in my humble opinion). It is a show I did NOT have prior to 30 Trips and I am still in awe that a show of that level had previously existed in relative obscurity. However, the main thing I wanted to bring up is how fortunate the accidents of history can some times be. This pertains to the fact that until recently the soon to arrive Dave's Picks 25, the absolute monster rock-a-thon that is Binghamton, NY 11/6/77, was NOT in the vault. I am a rabid fan of 11/6/77 and I remember when Dick's Picks Vol. 34 was released (featuring the gig from the night before in Rochester, NY 11/5/77) I was truly kind of pissed off! It was like what the fuck? Why was this Rochester show chosen over Binghamton? Being much younger I was unaware that the masters for the 11/6 Binghamton show I'd loved so much (via my CDRs) was NOT in the Vault. In the end however, this was a HUGE stroke of luck for me, as HAD 11/6 been available and released as Dick's Vol. 34, I may have (though I doubt it, but one never knows for sure) somehow overlooked 11/5/77 in Rochester, a gig which over the years I've grown to greatly cherish (to basically an equal extent as 11/6 in Binghamton). Both shows are simply phenomenal! Like Dave brought up in his video intro for Dave's Vol. 25, had 11/6 been in the Vault years ago, there would have been all the makings for quite a ferocious boxset! Personally I'd start it with 11/1 at Cobo Hall in Detroit (just a fantastic gig and start to Nov. '77), then include the 11/2 Seneca College gig in Toronto (which is nearly complete if you own Dick's 34 and Dave's 12), and the already released 11/4 Colgate University-Hamilton, NY (Dave's 12), 11/5 Rochester, NY (Dicks Vol. 34), and the soon to be released Dave's Picks 25 featuring the blisteringly beautiful performance in Binghamton, NY from 11/6/77. Wow, what a boxset those 5 shows would've made!!!! I look forward to this November and listening to each show on the appropriate date! But again I go back to the bizarre vagaries of history. The quite well-known 11/6 Binghamton tapes weren't in the Vault, so the folks in charge wisely chose the slightly lesser known gig from the night before in Rochester (and tossed in a nice chunk of the 11/2 show from Toronto). Dick's Picks 34 is probably second ONLY to Dick's Picks Vol. 10 (one of my Top 10 favorite shows of all-time: the lysergic, powder-power that is "The Nine", 12/29/77 at Winterland) as my favorite Dick's Pick from 1977 (which is saying a lot when one considers the majesty present on Dick's Picks 29 particularly, but also found on Dick's Volumes 3 and 15). So the lack of tapes for 11/6 allowed me to be introduced to 11/5 in Rochester, a different (but in many great ways VERY similar) show which I at the time did not have a copy of. A show which I absolutely adore and listen to EVERY 11/5, just as I do with 11/6 in Binghamton. It's great that the imaginary boxset discussed above will now (with the exception of 11/1/77 in Detroit, a show which is certainly available with a bit of exploration or through the kind favor of a friend) be virtually complete (with the upcoming release of Dave's Picks Vol. 25, of course). It was well worth the wait and I'm glad that Binghamton's unavailability at the time may have played a role in introducing me (and likely many others) to another show that exhibits its own similar brand of magic sparks: 11/5 in Rochester (aka Dick's Picks 34)! Keep up the GREAT work Mr. Lemieux and Co., I'm super excited to retire my 11/6 Binghamton CDRs in favor of what I'm sure will be (as always) a major league upgrade! Thanks for bringing these amazing recordings back to life and to all who have a hand in making them available! Also for presenting them in the respectful manner they deserve... I am an obsessive heavy metal and hardcore punk (of the 70's-80's), as well as prog/post-psych/Krautrock/acid jazz (of the late-60's & 70's) collector who just happens to believe the Grateful Dead were the single greatest vessels of rock 'n' roll expression the human species has yet produced. I am not deifying them as individuals but rather crediting them for their efforts in their particular corner of time and space. They are the one rock 'n' roll group whom I feel transcend all genres, as their "genre" is the sound of their (and our) existence in all its emotive range. From a historical perspective they entered their time and fulfilled a tremendous task simply by a constant yearning for experience, a sufficient degree of musical skill and just enough ambition to steadily improve and grow, and a intense desire to be themselves and have fun while avoiding (to the extent reasonably possible) the pitfalls of ego caused by success. For me, and many others, they shall forever remain the most fascinating musical (or if you wish to be broad: artistic) phenomena of 20th Century American culture. P.S.: IF you're ever running short on ideas for DP releases (haha), it'd be amazing to have 7/18/72 restored, the intensity of 8/12/72 from Sacramento, 10/25/73 in Madison, WI, 6/23/74-Miami, 7/25/74-Chicago (a endlessly fascinating gig which has flown far too long beneath the average fan's radar), and the epic 9/11/74 final London Alexandra Palace gig in its entirety. A collection dealing strictly with Ned Lagin and "Seastones" would also be rad! Just a few suggestions, lord knows you don't get enough already I'm sure! Best of luck and best wishes...
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Submitted by evilyn2003@hot… on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 11:06

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I have two balls and since I'm left handed I guess I'm a bit more partial to my left nut...Makes sense doesn't it?
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 11:53

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One should hang lower than the other.A psychologist I know claims that the side that hangs lower indicates that the opposite sided brain lobe is the dominant lobe. Quackery? Sounds like it to me. But what do I know, I rub ice cream on my forehead. On the other hand (nut), you’d be amazed at the clairvoyance one can obtain by rubbing ice cream on one’s head.
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Submitted by dissident1980 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:00

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It went on sale ... and it sold out.
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Submitted by simonrob on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:02

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My asian friend Wun Hung Loh thinks someone is taking the piss here.
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Submitted by mustin321 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:11

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Does anyone know where to find a time machine? ...McFly?
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:21

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Talk with JimInMD...his wayback machine is currently set to 2/14/68 I believe, but it can go anywhen. If that is in use, try the flying mower with magical time travelling cartridges. Pick me up on the way please. Sixtus
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Submitted by SkullTrip on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:52

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You may not be, but (ironically) I am.
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Submitted by DinaMoe on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 13:17

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I can still remember my first listen of this show. Jerry Moore audience. Mind-blowing performance aside, I remember not getting over how hopped-up the audience was for this entire show. And we all know how much an act like The GD fed off of a crowd like this one! Bobby even throws out a "you're a good audience" just before the encore. I don't recall another show where that was acknowledged. How about the roar of the crowd at "vitamin C 'n cocaine" and Garcia responding with a wicked lick? Fuckin' Binghamton. :-)
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Submitted by 80sfan on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 13:48

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Back home after traveling to a funeral for a family friend (looks like I missed a lot of good chat)! Hope everyone out there is doing something right this minute that makes them happy. Life is too short for anything else. My plans tonight are to drink red wine, hang out with my family...and of course honor the dead by playing dead. have a great weekend everyone -
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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 15:36

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80sfan.. I'll be right there, what exit should I take?
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 16:11

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I work as a teacher in special education. Some surly kids, even in elementary school. NO. NO. NO. Well, I don't wanna work. hmph. must...complete...week...
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 16:23

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I love this attitude from evilynn2003 (and I quote) "I believe that show is SO unbelievably mind blowing that I seriously consider the price of the WHOLE boxset worth it just for that show" Exactly how I felt about the Lindley Meadows 1975 show when I bought the box (although I have to admit, I was pretty stoked for '68 / '69 at the Greek and Dream Bowl). But yeah, I really do love that 1975 performance. Something weird was going on with their sound (I heard they had someone else's amps / rig due to their shit blowing up); but it sounded tremendous. The tone of it all sounds more like 1971 than 11 months post Wall Of Sound. Jerry's guitar is so distorted and fuzzy and loud - truly a one of a kind show recording. My only regret is that Franklin's Tower was separated from Help / Slipknot! but that's what home PC computer editing software is for. On my digital copy, the three are nicely married. I guess I'm also a little sad they didn't play longer, and maybe throw in an Eyes of the World, but we're fine, everything's fine here.. now...how are you? Sixtus, yeah lol, that's exactly how it looks. Then if you're not lucky enough to catch it and you get a roller, that 2 or 3 seconds when you don't know if it will land playing-surface up or down feels like an eternity. We've all done it right?
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Submitted by David Duryea on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 16:28

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"Hope everyone out there is doing something right this minute that makes them happy. " In AG Jeff Sessions' view I'm doing something wrong this minute and it makes me very happy.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 17:14

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There is a uniqueness that comes with the songs not being together. Please don’t tell me you rearranged 10-9-76 too. As for CD-R backups, the first time I listened to Road Trips 74 Wall of Sound I dropped one of the CDs taking it out of the player and scratched it. I then made the decision to make CD-R copies of all the releases and store the originals.
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 18:03

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so good. I remember hearing it the way home from 7/19/87. it glowed. ;)
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Submitted by David Duryea on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 18:48

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http://www.dead.net/features/jam-week/january-19-january-25-2018?intcmp… Fillmore Auditorium 11/7/69 Dark Star -> Uncle John’s Band Jam -> Dark Star -> That’s It For The Other One -> Turn On Your Lovelight The whole show is available at the midnight cafe. https://themidnightcafe.org/2016/02/11/lossless-bootleg-bonanza-gratefu… Grateful Dead November 7, 1969 Fillmore Auditorium San Francisco, CA Download: FLAC/MP3 Recording Info: SBD -> Master Reel -> Dat This is a tagged version of shnid: 119628 Transfer Info: Dat -> Samplitude Professional v11.2 -> FLAC (2 Discs Audio / 1 DVD FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net March 27, 2012 Notes: — Disc change is seamless — There are reel flips in High Time and UJB Jam — There are no pauses, cuts or edits between songs — iZotope Ozone was used to de-click the Master Reels –Setlist– 101-d1t01 – Morning Dew 102-d1t02 – Hard To Handle 103-d1t03 – Casey Jones 104-d1t04 – Mama Tried 105-d1t05 – Me & My Uncle 106-d1t06 – Tuning Ditties 107-d1t07 – Cold Rain & Snow 108-d1t08 – Next Time You See Me 109-d1t09 – High Time 110-d1t10 – Good Lovin’ 111-d1t11 – China Cat Sunflower -> 112-d1t12 – I Know You Rider 113-d2t01 – Dark Star -> 114-d2t02 – Uncle John’s Band Jam -> 115-d2t03 – Dark Star -> 116-d2t04 – That’s It For The Other One -> 117-d2t05 – Turn On Your Lovelight Two hour and 25 minute show. Definitely deserving of a Full Norman!
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Submitted by Birchwood on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 20:30

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Thanks very much for posting this cool show, in such great quality. Enjoying it immediately! Immensely! Really good. Thanks to Misters Dureya and Miller. Good on ya!
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 20:51

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Thanks icecrmcnkd. Unforutanately, I think DP 32 is the poorest quality recording I have heard in the Dick's Picks series. So poor foe me that I decided not to buy a copy of it. It would be a treat to hear a high quality dynamic recording of one good 1982 show from Dave's Picks. Dave has much better technology to transfer and clean up these recordings than Dick had available to him.
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:15

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In my reply to someone else, I provided the same feeling as you regarding the Alpine 1982 Dicks Picks. I agree that all years have good shows. I own shows from many different years and really love them. To me the performances in many of the 1982 shows are tremendous and many of my favorites. I'm curious how many deadheads have heard the 1982 shows because there have been almost no high-quality releases from that year?
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:15

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In my reply to someone else, I provided the same feeling as you regarding the Alpine 1982 Dicks Picks. I agree that all years have good shows. I own shows from many different years and really love them. To me the performances in many of the 1982 shows are tremendous and many of my favorites. I'm curious how many deadheads have heard the 1982 shows because there have been almost no high-quality releases from that year?
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:35

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Thanks for the reply claney. I played the shit out of my April 6 1982 Philly show back in the 1980s and 1990s. I know I have mulitple tape copies of that show so that I had a back=up in case the tape broke. Years ago, the Road Trips 4.4 CD sold out before I bought a copy. Currently, the digital download is not available. Garcia later
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:39

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....sounds pretty good to me. In fact, a lot of my tapes still sound good (except when it's in Dolby. Not a fan). I guess not being so picky is an advantage at times. Just Play Dead....
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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:04

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What a scam.. I think Dolby even flucks up the remastering process. But what do I know.. except that dolby mucked up lots of what would have been great audience tapes (and perhaps a few soundboards). I bet it works just fine if all the equipment used through every step of the process is perfectly encoded using the exact same version of Dolby.. but so many years later, what are the chances that something is poorly labeled and some machine uses the wrong Dolby version (or none at all when it should have been used). Keep it simple.. right? The tapes I had that were recorded using dolby usually did not sound great by the time they got to me. On the bright side, bad dolby usage gave us the chipmunks. I am a fan of the good shows from 82. I think its an under-rated year and the inconsistency of the recording quality decades later is a big part of the perception mismatch. It was perhaps the last year Jerry's voice, on a good night, sounded 'fresh' or young. Frost, Alpine, so many others.. in total.. it was a mighty fine year.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:33

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Many new Miller/Clugston/Gans/Eaton’s uploaded to entree in the last 3 days.My dedicated torrent computer will be working hard while I sleep.
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Submitted by libertycaps97211 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:38

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Yeah, it's sourced from cassette, but i think DiP 24 is worse. Prolly the only one in the series that i think should not have been retail released. The performance is sub-par too, imho. Not every swing can be a home run...or a base hit in some cases. I can envision a day when some DiPs get re-released with the Full Norman treatment and/or properly bias & speed corrected. But not a high priority. Def a back burner until all the amazing returned Bettys get out, of course!
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:44

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Thanks for the reply claney. I played the shit out of my April 6 1982 Philly show back in the 1980s and 1990s. I know I have mulitple tape copies of that show so that I had a back=up in case the tape broke. Years ago, the Road Trips 4.4 CD sold out before I bought a copy. Currently, the digital download is not available. Garcia later
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:44

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....you can do better than that. How about, "not every release can be a hat trick." More our style, right? Go Golden Knights....
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:50

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Thanks for the info Liberty. I lost the comment I was going to post and inadvertently reposted a previous comment. Sorry, I could not find 10-10-82 on archive.org. So I am playing 10-9-82 Frost show. I had this tape somewhere... I love Throwing Stones. Really enjoying it. Not sure I have heard this on any Dave's releases? Have not heard it in very long time...
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:51

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Thanks for the info Liberty. I lost the comment I was going to post and inadvertently reposted a previous comment. Sorry, I could not find 10-10-82 on archive.org. So I am playing 10-9-82 Frost show. I had this tape somewhere... I love Throwing Stones. Really enjoying it. Not sure I have heard this on any Dave's releases? Have not heard it in very long time...
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:07

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....no complaints here. Solid. They ended the first set with China->Rider quite a bit that year. I'm a fan of that. Caddyshack is almost the perfect movie. I don't know where that came from.
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:14

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Wow! They released someting that sounds worse than DP 32?!LOL. Seems Dick had good memories of that show and was maybe more concerned about perfomance regardless of the recording quality. There are probably 2000+ recordings to pick from. Because the selection is overwhelming, I assume he was just anxious to release the best tape out of a few of tapes he pulled from the vault each time, but I ti=hink he was still searching for particular shows that he had fond memories of. Who was the recording engineer in 1982? Dan Healy?
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:26

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Where did you stream 10-10-82 frost from? I could not find it. I recommend listening to 10-9-82 Frost. Listening to it now. really enjoying "Throwing Stones" and "Space"!!
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:35

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Caddyshack is my of my favorite movies? I'll take some of those naked-lady tees...
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 00:09

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Thanks for info mbarilla. Check out the Greek Theatre 5-22-82. Phenomonal song selection, guitar playing and sound by Jerry on this recording. Very upbeat tempo. One of my fav tapes ever!!. Wish this was Dave pick 26!!
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Submitted by snafu on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 00:20

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You are right. The only way dolby worked right was for the same machine to be used in recording and playback. Early on I went to an independent dbx nr machine found it worked a lot better
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Submitted by snafu on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 00:30

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I have mentioned this before but while it may well be sentiment creeping in I saw every bay area show from late 70's 'til the end and there was something special about the greek shows and the tapes I have seem to bare this out. The 84 ones if memories are correct (It's been a while the downside of so many releases haha) were especially fine
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Submitted by SpanishJam on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 04:08

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Thanks for the good discussion on the returned tapes. Got me thinking about DaP16 and DaP21. Didn't Dave say they considered releasing 4/2/73 earlier but for one reason or another it didn't happen? I seem to recall that it was considered for release instead of 3/28/73 (maybe even earlier)? I went back to the seaside chat for DaP21 and it wasn't mentioned there. Maybe I caught it on Sirius around release date? I thought the tipping point for 3/28 over 4/2 was the Dark Star. I guess I'm brining this up to get a feel for when the tapes (at least some of them) started rolling back. DaP16 was released on Nov 1, 2015. So if that tape wasn't in the Vault then it would have been returned closer to summer 2015 (or earlier). I'm having a hard time putting my finger on some of these details (haven't gone back to the liner notes yet), but if memory serves 4/2 was also highly regarded by Dick and he mentioned several of the tunes (particularly in the first set) were definitive versions for the year/era. Dick certainly could have been listening to non-Vault soundboards, but are we sure that 4/2/73 hasn't been in the Vault for a while? To my ears the sound quality of DaP21 is better (slightly) than DaP16. Regardless, it's pretty awesome that we have such high quality shows available with great sound quality. Dave and Co are doing a great job; thank you! And would love to see 8/7/1972 and 8/12/1972 released. Edit: I meant 7/18/1972 not 8/7/1972. Oops. Roosevelt Rules!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 07:07

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"they considered releasing 4/2/73 earlier but for one reason or another it didn't happen.." Couldn't one of the reasons be that the masters were not in the vault (but the performance was certainly release worthy)? Also, I seem to recall some of these getting released perhaps before they had the masters in the vault. Maybe I am wrong.. For instance, what about Dave's Picks 14? But there is an older one where conversations evolved about the origin of the source file used for release. Again, perhaps I have this wrong.. but this topic has come up. Perhaps someone out there has a better memory than I.
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Submitted by alvarhanso on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 07:06

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Dave's 21 was definitely part of the returned tapes, Dave's 16 was not, one big distinction between them is that Kidd Candelario recorded 3/28, and Rex Jackson recorded 4/2 (on 10" reels, this being the firsttime I recall seeing a mention of a show recorded on 10" instead of 7" reels). Kidd may have been recording 4/2 as well, and Betty and/or Rex may have been recording as well. From what Dave has said on Kidd's role in recording, I believe most of his tapes were in the Vault as he was recording the shows for the band, where the Jacksons may have recorded some for the band, some for themselves. We know Betty did her own recordings, but that she also worked for the band on recordings, so some of her tapes aren't the reference tapes the band would have used. But this brings me to the most fascinating part of the whole ABCD/returned "Bettys" discussion: Dave's 24 was recorded by Bear, not Betty or Rex, yet was also part of the ABCD collection, and already we have nearly 3 Rex recordings as part of that collection Dave's 21, 22 and bonus, and 2 more are likely to be Rex recordings in Dave's 26 and bonus. Why Rex tapes are in the collection makes perfect sense as he was married to Betty. But why did she have a Bear tape? And did she have more of his tapes in her collection that was returned with the ABCD deal? They were astonished to get over 100 shows returned, the list of Bettys that circulated in the "What Happened to the Bettys" article wasn't nearly that many shows, so clearly they got shows they didn't expect because there are times she was known to have recorded and times she was known not to have recorded, but if you add in Rex tapes when she wasn't on tour, you get Fall 1971, Spring 1973 tapes popping up. Now add in the wildcard of what kind of Bear tapes did she have?! The guys clamoring for more 80s and 90s will be pissed at the possible treasures that will necessitate pushing 80s and 90s Picks down the road to put out legendary shows or under the radar gems that never attained a reputation due to lack of circulation. I think the compromise will be a small 80s box each year while these Bettys, Rexes, and Bears are used for Picks. I think that's a great compromise, because then the 80s and 90s choices can be multitrack and more listenable than a PA mix.
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