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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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    Dead of the Day: February 4, 1969The Music Box Omaha, Nebraska Over the years, February 4th has seen some wicked Dead shows, but the 1969 concert at the Music Box in Omaha, Nebraska is our Dead of the Day. There really are no highlights to the show because the entire show is off the hook. While the boys had not yet hit the apogee of their psychedelic sound – that would come later in 1969 – they still wail on this show. The Caution has to be one of the best ever with the vocal and instrumental vamping resonating the sound of a funky, hallucinogenic train rolling by on the tracks. Further, the Dark Star> Stephen> Eleven is on par with just about any other example of that classic trifecta. http://gratefuldeadoftheday.com/02-04-1969
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    That 4/25 Capitol Theatre show really is a sweet little gem. Tickles my ear-sockets every time.
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    Shirdeep.. that first pic of Garcia has got to be from the 84 Augusta show.. either that or Quasimodo somehow got a hold of Tiger and played us a tune. I find myself liking many songs throughout the years, I appreciate many of the changes in playing and orchestration and I miss some aspects that were dropped or were lost due to age and the ravages of time. Take Jack Straw.. there was an innocence and purity to the 72 versions - the song stood on it's own that year and was perhaps the strongest story-telling year for the song, but I feel parts were not fully developed.. 73/74 gave it a whimsical expressive quality, especially in Jerry's leads. The late 70's saw it take on some edge.. "we used to play for acid, now we play for Clive" and the instrumental pieces were amped up a good bit. Some of the 80's versions were explosive and feature some of Jerry's more energetic leads and in the 90's we get Bruce's influence, etc. It's like asking a parent which kid they like most and they honestly answer they love all their children the same.. There are good and bad aspects throughout.. I am more captivated and happy when I consider the finer points.. We could write a book on the changes of tunes like Dark Star and Eyes of the World.. There might be definitive versions of any song, but ignoring or dissing other versions is not what it's all about. Did someone mention 6/30/85?
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    I introduced the word troll to this discussion. Lambasting people for not buying an 80s release , or for offering critical music analysis about any Era IS trolling. This is exactly what happened here not too long ago, which is the event I was referring to. Just because somebody offers legitimate enthusiasm for the 80s does not mean they're not also a troll when they cross the line.
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    Era debate or era wars it's always the same like Groundhog Day. But if someone is interested in my opinion, I like all eras. Until 77, maybe it was their classic era and the playing was better. Later tbey were increasing the repertoire. In fact, I think that the Shakedowns and others sounded better on the eighties than on the seventies. So, basically I agree with Daverock that most of the seventies songs sounded better on the seventies, but on the eighties we have a few new songs that I really like. I think this year Punxsutawney Phil has predicted 6 more weeks of winter. Good photo AJS.
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    06 15 93 freedom hall Feels Like a Stranger Althea Wang Dang Doodle Friend of the Devil Desolation Row Don't Ease Me In Victim or the Crime -> Crazy Fingers -> Estimated Prophet -> Spoonful -> He's Gone -> Drums -> Space -> The Last Time -> Morning Dew Gloria https://archive.org/details/gd93-06-15.brennecke-young.georges.18984.sb…
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    That's a pretty good assessment of the situation, as I understand it. I can't think of any versions of classic Dead songs, from the 1968-1978 period, that sounded better when played from 1980 onwards. It was interesting how the band responded to the changing times, though. Shows with guests, particularly Branford Marsalis, always seem worth hearing in the later period. It might be presumptious to say so, but I would guess that everyone who loves the 1980s and 1990s Dead also loves the 1968-1978 versions of the band. But the reverse is less likely to be true. I wouldn't think as many people who love the earlier periods also love the later ones. If this is true, and it might not be, then maybe it would be best if the Daves Picks series continued to focus on 68-78, and that 1980 onwards releases were put out separately, so those who didn't want them didn't have to get them. I can remember feeling a bit cheated when it was announced that a 1981 show was going to be the next Daves Picks-but as I had (and have) paid for a subscription, I was stuck with having purchased something I didn't particularly want. Actually, I am not that crazy about another 1977 show being released, either. To me the classic period was late 1967-1974, although there are some great shows between 1976 and 1978. Maybe I will change my mind when I get to hear the new release.
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    Pushing for 80s releases on this site isn't trolling. This isn't The 70-s Only Dead Page, this is The 65-95 Dead page. Pushing for the release of Dead shows here ain't "trolling", it's devotion. The "Era Debate" has gotten hateful in the past (If Brent was alive, he would kill himself after reading some comment threads). This morning I thought "I hope Thin's posts haven't gotten Space triggered. Thin's factually correct and his statements are rationally reasoned, but he is kinda harping on the trope overmuch." Sure enough, the build-up to hostilities is underway... It has been a nice while since our last Era Wars outbreak and there are new voices here. For those seeing this for the first time: The Era Wars are essentially about the desire by a sizeable portion of our community to see most or all GDM releases be from their Dead sweetspot, generally 68-78. The "war" is fraught with tension as the are real stakes: the potential impact of statements on the content of future releases. The overly committed voices on each side are concerned about getting what they want from GDM. Both sides have insatiable appetites and GDM has a limited number of release slots to fill each year. This situation can create some very heated hyperbole and vitriol. This place is much more pleasant between wars. My personal opinions are that 80s Dead IS weaker than 70s Dead but that a regular rotation of all time periods in the release schedules would better represent the band and serve all corners of the fanbase. (just got 30T84 and 30T85. [The Dave L. essays within make Space look like an 80's-hater. And the essays are pretty much "pure hooey".] Compare 84's UJB/Playing/Dew to a 73/74 equivilant or 85's That's It For The Other One sandwich to any 68-71 TIFTO1 and it is clear that the Pre-80s Dead was much more EVERYTHING than the post-80 band... On the other hand, I really like how in the 80s Bobby and Mickey developed to cover the shrinkage of Jerry and Phil's territories in the sonic tapestry. Sorry to those who truly are hearing it differently, but that is how I hear it. I also don't enjoy post-86 Dylan, post-88 Springsteen, or post-82 Stones...)
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    Laughed so hard after I read that I think I cracked a rib. Brilliant.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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Submitted by mustin321 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:42

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I can't wait to hear Dave's Picks 25...when is this gonna go on sale?
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Submitted by SkullTrip on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:42

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Damn! That is a hard stop. I rarely listen past '78 myself, except for the occasional '89 or '90 show (Sorry, gang -- Brent still hurts my ears even after all these years). But drawing the line at the end of the E72 tour? 'Tis a bit flummoxing.
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Submitted by mustin321 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:51

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I'm not an Irish bug...
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Submitted by evilyn2003@hot… on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 10:58

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First off, I could not agree with KeithFan2112 any more: The Waterbury, CT 9/24/72 gig from the 30 Trips Boxset is an absolute gem and Garcia throws down some of the most explosive leads of his career! I believe that show is SO unbelievably mind blowing that I seriously consider the price of the WHOLE boxset worth it just for that show (of course thankfully it's filled with many other killer shows as well, especially the always classic Cape Cod gig from 10/27/79). The "Dark Star" from 9/24/72 is simply astounding and the show as a whole rivals ANY previously released show from the amazing month of September '72 (in my humble opinion). It is a show I did NOT have prior to 30 Trips and I am still in awe that a show of that level had previously existed in relative obscurity. However, the main thing I wanted to bring up is how fortunate the accidents of history can some times be. This pertains to the fact that until recently the soon to arrive Dave's Picks 25, the absolute monster rock-a-thon that is Binghamton, NY 11/6/77, was NOT in the vault. I am a rabid fan of 11/6/77 and I remember when Dick's Picks Vol. 34 was released (featuring the gig from the night before in Rochester, NY 11/5/77) I was truly kind of pissed off! It was like what the fuck? Why was this Rochester show chosen over Binghamton? Being much younger I was unaware that the masters for the 11/6 Binghamton show I'd loved so much (via my CDRs) was NOT in the Vault. In the end however, this was a HUGE stroke of luck for me, as HAD 11/6 been available and released as Dick's Vol. 34, I may have (though I doubt it, but one never knows for sure) somehow overlooked 11/5/77 in Rochester, a gig which over the years I've grown to greatly cherish (to basically an equal extent as 11/6 in Binghamton). Both shows are simply phenomenal! Like Dave brought up in his video intro for Dave's Vol. 25, had 11/6 been in the Vault years ago, there would have been all the makings for quite a ferocious boxset! Personally I'd start it with 11/1 at Cobo Hall in Detroit (just a fantastic gig and start to Nov. '77), then include the 11/2 Seneca College gig in Toronto (which is nearly complete if you own Dick's 34 and Dave's 12), and the already released 11/4 Colgate University-Hamilton, NY (Dave's 12), 11/5 Rochester, NY (Dicks Vol. 34), and the soon to be released Dave's Picks 25 featuring the blisteringly beautiful performance in Binghamton, NY from 11/6/77. Wow, what a boxset those 5 shows would've made!!!! I look forward to this November and listening to each show on the appropriate date! But again I go back to the bizarre vagaries of history. The quite well-known 11/6 Binghamton tapes weren't in the Vault, so the folks in charge wisely chose the slightly lesser known gig from the night before in Rochester (and tossed in a nice chunk of the 11/2 show from Toronto). Dick's Picks 34 is probably second ONLY to Dick's Picks Vol. 10 (one of my Top 10 favorite shows of all-time: the lysergic, powder-power that is "The Nine", 12/29/77 at Winterland) as my favorite Dick's Pick from 1977 (which is saying a lot when one considers the majesty present on Dick's Picks 29 particularly, but also found on Dick's Volumes 3 and 15). So the lack of tapes for 11/6 allowed me to be introduced to 11/5 in Rochester, a different (but in many great ways VERY similar) show which I at the time did not have a copy of. A show which I absolutely adore and listen to EVERY 11/5, just as I do with 11/6 in Binghamton. It's great that the imaginary boxset discussed above will now (with the exception of 11/1/77 in Detroit, a show which is certainly available with a bit of exploration or through the kind favor of a friend) be virtually complete (with the upcoming release of Dave's Picks Vol. 25, of course). It was well worth the wait and I'm glad that Binghamton's unavailability at the time may have played a role in introducing me (and likely many others) to another show that exhibits its own similar brand of magic sparks: 11/5 in Rochester (aka Dick's Picks 34)! Keep up the GREAT work Mr. Lemieux and Co., I'm super excited to retire my 11/6 Binghamton CDRs in favor of what I'm sure will be (as always) a major league upgrade! Thanks for bringing these amazing recordings back to life and to all who have a hand in making them available! Also for presenting them in the respectful manner they deserve... I am an obsessive heavy metal and hardcore punk (of the 70's-80's), as well as prog/post-psych/Krautrock/acid jazz (of the late-60's & 70's) collector who just happens to believe the Grateful Dead were the single greatest vessels of rock 'n' roll expression the human species has yet produced. I am not deifying them as individuals but rather crediting them for their efforts in their particular corner of time and space. They are the one rock 'n' roll group whom I feel transcend all genres, as their "genre" is the sound of their (and our) existence in all its emotive range. From a historical perspective they entered their time and fulfilled a tremendous task simply by a constant yearning for experience, a sufficient degree of musical skill and just enough ambition to steadily improve and grow, and a intense desire to be themselves and have fun while avoiding (to the extent reasonably possible) the pitfalls of ego caused by success. For me, and many others, they shall forever remain the most fascinating musical (or if you wish to be broad: artistic) phenomena of 20th Century American culture. P.S.: IF you're ever running short on ideas for DP releases (haha), it'd be amazing to have 7/18/72 restored, the intensity of 8/12/72 from Sacramento, 10/25/73 in Madison, WI, 6/23/74-Miami, 7/25/74-Chicago (a endlessly fascinating gig which has flown far too long beneath the average fan's radar), and the epic 9/11/74 final London Alexandra Palace gig in its entirety. A collection dealing strictly with Ned Lagin and "Seastones" would also be rad! Just a few suggestions, lord knows you don't get enough already I'm sure! Best of luck and best wishes...
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Submitted by evilyn2003@hot… on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 11:06

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I have two balls and since I'm left handed I guess I'm a bit more partial to my left nut...Makes sense doesn't it?
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 11:53

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One should hang lower than the other.A psychologist I know claims that the side that hangs lower indicates that the opposite sided brain lobe is the dominant lobe. Quackery? Sounds like it to me. But what do I know, I rub ice cream on my forehead. On the other hand (nut), you’d be amazed at the clairvoyance one can obtain by rubbing ice cream on one’s head.
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Submitted by dissident1980 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:00

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It went on sale ... and it sold out.
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Submitted by simonrob on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:02

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My asian friend Wun Hung Loh thinks someone is taking the piss here.
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Submitted by mustin321 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:11

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Does anyone know where to find a time machine? ...McFly?
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:21

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Talk with JimInMD...his wayback machine is currently set to 2/14/68 I believe, but it can go anywhen. If that is in use, try the flying mower with magical time travelling cartridges. Pick me up on the way please. Sixtus
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Submitted by SkullTrip on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 12:52

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You may not be, but (ironically) I am.
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Submitted by DinaMoe on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 13:17

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I can still remember my first listen of this show. Jerry Moore audience. Mind-blowing performance aside, I remember not getting over how hopped-up the audience was for this entire show. And we all know how much an act like The GD fed off of a crowd like this one! Bobby even throws out a "you're a good audience" just before the encore. I don't recall another show where that was acknowledged. How about the roar of the crowd at "vitamin C 'n cocaine" and Garcia responding with a wicked lick? Fuckin' Binghamton. :-)
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Submitted by 80sfan on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 13:48

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Back home after traveling to a funeral for a family friend (looks like I missed a lot of good chat)! Hope everyone out there is doing something right this minute that makes them happy. Life is too short for anything else. My plans tonight are to drink red wine, hang out with my family...and of course honor the dead by playing dead. have a great weekend everyone -
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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 15:36

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80sfan.. I'll be right there, what exit should I take?
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 15:45

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Grateful Dead Highway
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 16:11

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I work as a teacher in special education. Some surly kids, even in elementary school. NO. NO. NO. Well, I don't wanna work. hmph. must...complete...week...
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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 16:23

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I love this attitude from evilynn2003 (and I quote) "I believe that show is SO unbelievably mind blowing that I seriously consider the price of the WHOLE boxset worth it just for that show" Exactly how I felt about the Lindley Meadows 1975 show when I bought the box (although I have to admit, I was pretty stoked for '68 / '69 at the Greek and Dream Bowl). But yeah, I really do love that 1975 performance. Something weird was going on with their sound (I heard they had someone else's amps / rig due to their shit blowing up); but it sounded tremendous. The tone of it all sounds more like 1971 than 11 months post Wall Of Sound. Jerry's guitar is so distorted and fuzzy and loud - truly a one of a kind show recording. My only regret is that Franklin's Tower was separated from Help / Slipknot! but that's what home PC computer editing software is for. On my digital copy, the three are nicely married. I guess I'm also a little sad they didn't play longer, and maybe throw in an Eyes of the World, but we're fine, everything's fine here.. now...how are you? Sixtus, yeah lol, that's exactly how it looks. Then if you're not lucky enough to catch it and you get a roller, that 2 or 3 seconds when you don't know if it will land playing-surface up or down feels like an eternity. We've all done it right?
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Submitted by David Duryea on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 16:28

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"Hope everyone out there is doing something right this minute that makes them happy. " In AG Jeff Sessions' view I'm doing something wrong this minute and it makes me very happy.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 17:14

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There is a uniqueness that comes with the songs not being together. Please don’t tell me you rearranged 10-9-76 too. As for CD-R backups, the first time I listened to Road Trips 74 Wall of Sound I dropped one of the CDs taking it out of the player and scratched it. I then made the decision to make CD-R copies of all the releases and store the originals.
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Submitted by stoltzfus on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 18:03

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so good. I remember hearing it the way home from 7/19/87. it glowed. ;)
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Submitted by David Duryea on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 18:48

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http://www.dead.net/features/jam-week/january-19-january-25-2018?intcmp… Fillmore Auditorium 11/7/69 Dark Star -> Uncle John’s Band Jam -> Dark Star -> That’s It For The Other One -> Turn On Your Lovelight The whole show is available at the midnight cafe. https://themidnightcafe.org/2016/02/11/lossless-bootleg-bonanza-gratefu… Grateful Dead November 7, 1969 Fillmore Auditorium San Francisco, CA Download: FLAC/MP3 Recording Info: SBD -> Master Reel -> Dat This is a tagged version of shnid: 119628 Transfer Info: Dat -> Samplitude Professional v11.2 -> FLAC (2 Discs Audio / 1 DVD FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller charliemiller87@earthlink.net March 27, 2012 Notes: — Disc change is seamless — There are reel flips in High Time and UJB Jam — There are no pauses, cuts or edits between songs — iZotope Ozone was used to de-click the Master Reels –Setlist– 101-d1t01 – Morning Dew 102-d1t02 – Hard To Handle 103-d1t03 – Casey Jones 104-d1t04 – Mama Tried 105-d1t05 – Me & My Uncle 106-d1t06 – Tuning Ditties 107-d1t07 – Cold Rain & Snow 108-d1t08 – Next Time You See Me 109-d1t09 – High Time 110-d1t10 – Good Lovin’ 111-d1t11 – China Cat Sunflower -> 112-d1t12 – I Know You Rider 113-d2t01 – Dark Star -> 114-d2t02 – Uncle John’s Band Jam -> 115-d2t03 – Dark Star -> 116-d2t04 – That’s It For The Other One -> 117-d2t05 – Turn On Your Lovelight Two hour and 25 minute show. Definitely deserving of a Full Norman!
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Submitted by Birchwood on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 20:30

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Thanks very much for posting this cool show, in such great quality. Enjoying it immediately! Immensely! Really good. Thanks to Misters Dureya and Miller. Good on ya!
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 20:51

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Thanks icecrmcnkd. Unforutanately, I think DP 32 is the poorest quality recording I have heard in the Dick's Picks series. So poor foe me that I decided not to buy a copy of it. It would be a treat to hear a high quality dynamic recording of one good 1982 show from Dave's Picks. Dave has much better technology to transfer and clean up these recordings than Dick had available to him.
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:15

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In my reply to someone else, I provided the same feeling as you regarding the Alpine 1982 Dicks Picks. I agree that all years have good shows. I own shows from many different years and really love them. To me the performances in many of the 1982 shows are tremendous and many of my favorites. I'm curious how many deadheads have heard the 1982 shows because there have been almost no high-quality releases from that year?
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:15

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In my reply to someone else, I provided the same feeling as you regarding the Alpine 1982 Dicks Picks. I agree that all years have good shows. I own shows from many different years and really love them. To me the performances in many of the 1982 shows are tremendous and many of my favorites. I'm curious how many deadheads have heard the 1982 shows because there have been almost no high-quality releases from that year?
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:35

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Thanks for the reply claney. I played the shit out of my April 6 1982 Philly show back in the 1980s and 1990s. I know I have mulitple tape copies of that show so that I had a back=up in case the tape broke. Years ago, the Road Trips 4.4 CD sold out before I bought a copy. Currently, the digital download is not available. Garcia later
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 21:39

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....sounds pretty good to me. In fact, a lot of my tapes still sound good (except when it's in Dolby. Not a fan). I guess not being so picky is an advantage at times. Just Play Dead....
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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:04

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What a scam.. I think Dolby even flucks up the remastering process. But what do I know.. except that dolby mucked up lots of what would have been great audience tapes (and perhaps a few soundboards). I bet it works just fine if all the equipment used through every step of the process is perfectly encoded using the exact same version of Dolby.. but so many years later, what are the chances that something is poorly labeled and some machine uses the wrong Dolby version (or none at all when it should have been used). Keep it simple.. right? The tapes I had that were recorded using dolby usually did not sound great by the time they got to me. On the bright side, bad dolby usage gave us the chipmunks. I am a fan of the good shows from 82. I think its an under-rated year and the inconsistency of the recording quality decades later is a big part of the perception mismatch. It was perhaps the last year Jerry's voice, on a good night, sounded 'fresh' or young. Frost, Alpine, so many others.. in total.. it was a mighty fine year.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:33

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Many new Miller/Clugston/Gans/Eaton’s uploaded to entree in the last 3 days.My dedicated torrent computer will be working hard while I sleep.
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Submitted by libertycaps97211 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:38

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Yeah, it's sourced from cassette, but i think DiP 24 is worse. Prolly the only one in the series that i think should not have been retail released. The performance is sub-par too, imho. Not every swing can be a home run...or a base hit in some cases. I can envision a day when some DiPs get re-released with the Full Norman treatment and/or properly bias & speed corrected. But not a high priority. Def a back burner until all the amazing returned Bettys get out, of course!
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:44

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Thanks for the reply claney. I played the shit out of my April 6 1982 Philly show back in the 1980s and 1990s. I know I have mulitple tape copies of that show so that I had a back=up in case the tape broke. Years ago, the Road Trips 4.4 CD sold out before I bought a copy. Currently, the digital download is not available. Garcia later
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:44

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....you can do better than that. How about, "not every release can be a hat trick." More our style, right? Go Golden Knights....
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:50

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Thanks for the info Liberty. I lost the comment I was going to post and inadvertently reposted a previous comment. Sorry, I could not find 10-10-82 on archive.org. So I am playing 10-9-82 Frost show. I had this tape somewhere... I love Throwing Stones. Really enjoying it. Not sure I have heard this on any Dave's releases? Have not heard it in very long time...
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 22:51

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Thanks for the info Liberty. I lost the comment I was going to post and inadvertently reposted a previous comment. Sorry, I could not find 10-10-82 on archive.org. So I am playing 10-9-82 Frost show. I had this tape somewhere... I love Throwing Stones. Really enjoying it. Not sure I have heard this on any Dave's releases? Have not heard it in very long time...
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:07

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....no complaints here. Solid. They ended the first set with China->Rider quite a bit that year. I'm a fan of that. Caddyshack is almost the perfect movie. I don't know where that came from.
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:14

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Wow! They released someting that sounds worse than DP 32?!LOL. Seems Dick had good memories of that show and was maybe more concerned about perfomance regardless of the recording quality. There are probably 2000+ recordings to pick from. Because the selection is overwhelming, I assume he was just anxious to release the best tape out of a few of tapes he pulled from the vault each time, but I ti=hink he was still searching for particular shows that he had fond memories of. Who was the recording engineer in 1982? Dan Healy?
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:26

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Where did you stream 10-10-82 frost from? I could not find it. I recommend listening to 10-9-82 Frost. Listening to it now. really enjoying "Throwing Stones" and "Space"!!
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Fri, 01/19/2018 - 23:35

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Caddyshack is my of my favorite movies? I'll take some of those naked-lady tees...
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 00:09

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Thanks for info mbarilla. Check out the Greek Theatre 5-22-82. Phenomonal song selection, guitar playing and sound by Jerry on this recording. Very upbeat tempo. One of my fav tapes ever!!. Wish this was Dave pick 26!!
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Submitted by snafu on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 00:20

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You are right. The only way dolby worked right was for the same machine to be used in recording and playback. Early on I went to an independent dbx nr machine found it worked a lot better
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Submitted by snafu on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 00:30

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I have mentioned this before but while it may well be sentiment creeping in I saw every bay area show from late 70's 'til the end and there was something special about the greek shows and the tapes I have seem to bare this out. The 84 ones if memories are correct (It's been a while the downside of so many releases haha) were especially fine
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Submitted by SpanishJam on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 04:08

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Thanks for the good discussion on the returned tapes. Got me thinking about DaP16 and DaP21. Didn't Dave say they considered releasing 4/2/73 earlier but for one reason or another it didn't happen? I seem to recall that it was considered for release instead of 3/28/73 (maybe even earlier)? I went back to the seaside chat for DaP21 and it wasn't mentioned there. Maybe I caught it on Sirius around release date? I thought the tipping point for 3/28 over 4/2 was the Dark Star. I guess I'm brining this up to get a feel for when the tapes (at least some of them) started rolling back. DaP16 was released on Nov 1, 2015. So if that tape wasn't in the Vault then it would have been returned closer to summer 2015 (or earlier). I'm having a hard time putting my finger on some of these details (haven't gone back to the liner notes yet), but if memory serves 4/2 was also highly regarded by Dick and he mentioned several of the tunes (particularly in the first set) were definitive versions for the year/era. Dick certainly could have been listening to non-Vault soundboards, but are we sure that 4/2/73 hasn't been in the Vault for a while? To my ears the sound quality of DaP21 is better (slightly) than DaP16. Regardless, it's pretty awesome that we have such high quality shows available with great sound quality. Dave and Co are doing a great job; thank you! And would love to see 8/7/1972 and 8/12/1972 released. Edit: I meant 7/18/1972 not 8/7/1972. Oops. Roosevelt Rules!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 07:07

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"they considered releasing 4/2/73 earlier but for one reason or another it didn't happen.." Couldn't one of the reasons be that the masters were not in the vault (but the performance was certainly release worthy)? Also, I seem to recall some of these getting released perhaps before they had the masters in the vault. Maybe I am wrong.. For instance, what about Dave's Picks 14? But there is an older one where conversations evolved about the origin of the source file used for release. Again, perhaps I have this wrong.. but this topic has come up. Perhaps someone out there has a better memory than I.
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Submitted by alvarhanso on Sat, 01/20/2018 - 07:06

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Dave's 21 was definitely part of the returned tapes, Dave's 16 was not, one big distinction between them is that Kidd Candelario recorded 3/28, and Rex Jackson recorded 4/2 (on 10" reels, this being the firsttime I recall seeing a mention of a show recorded on 10" instead of 7" reels). Kidd may have been recording 4/2 as well, and Betty and/or Rex may have been recording as well. From what Dave has said on Kidd's role in recording, I believe most of his tapes were in the Vault as he was recording the shows for the band, where the Jacksons may have recorded some for the band, some for themselves. We know Betty did her own recordings, but that she also worked for the band on recordings, so some of her tapes aren't the reference tapes the band would have used. But this brings me to the most fascinating part of the whole ABCD/returned "Bettys" discussion: Dave's 24 was recorded by Bear, not Betty or Rex, yet was also part of the ABCD collection, and already we have nearly 3 Rex recordings as part of that collection Dave's 21, 22 and bonus, and 2 more are likely to be Rex recordings in Dave's 26 and bonus. Why Rex tapes are in the collection makes perfect sense as he was married to Betty. But why did she have a Bear tape? And did she have more of his tapes in her collection that was returned with the ABCD deal? They were astonished to get over 100 shows returned, the list of Bettys that circulated in the "What Happened to the Bettys" article wasn't nearly that many shows, so clearly they got shows they didn't expect because there are times she was known to have recorded and times she was known not to have recorded, but if you add in Rex tapes when she wasn't on tour, you get Fall 1971, Spring 1973 tapes popping up. Now add in the wildcard of what kind of Bear tapes did she have?! The guys clamoring for more 80s and 90s will be pissed at the possible treasures that will necessitate pushing 80s and 90s Picks down the road to put out legendary shows or under the radar gems that never attained a reputation due to lack of circulation. I think the compromise will be a small 80s box each year while these Bettys, Rexes, and Bears are used for Picks. I think that's a great compromise, because then the 80s and 90s choices can be multitrack and more listenable than a PA mix.
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