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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."
We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...
DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.
*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.
Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.
Family Dog 3/1/70
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Grateful Dead
Family Dog at the Great Highway
San Francisco, CA
March 01, 1970
Download: FLAC/MP3
Recording Info:
SBD Master Reels -> Dat (Panasonic 3700) >
Transfer Info:
Delta DiO 2496 sound card > HD > CD-R >
Mastering Info:
HD > CD WAV > Cool Edit > Trader’s Little Helper 2.7 > xACT 2.35 FLAC 8
(2 Discs Audio / 1 Disc FLAC)
Mastering by Seth Kaplan (alligator69@optonline.net) March 25, 2015
Disc 1
1.Big Boy Pete * 4:14
2.Morning Dew 9:47
3.Hard to Handle 6:09
4.Me and My Uncle 3:30
5.Cryptical > 1:58
6.Drumz > 3:48
7.Other One > 10:15
8.Cryptical//reprise > ** 8:45
9.Black Peter 9:12
10.Beat It On Down the Line 3:30
11.Dire Wolf 4:26
Disc 2
1.Good Lovin’ > 1:46
2.Drumz > 3:28
3.Jam > 5:01
4.Good Lovin’ 2:04
5.Cumberland Blues 6:27
6.King//Bee *** 8:09
7.China Cat Sunflower > 4:57
8.I Know You Rider 4:58
9.Uncle John’s Band 7:27
Notes:
-This is as complete a SBD as is available on the master and eliminates the cassette generation present
in previously circulating versions of this show
-Missing from Disc 1: New Speedway Boogie Jam/soundcheck, Casey Jones (before Big Boy Pete)
-Missing from Disc 2: Dancin’ In The Streets, It’s All Over Now, Baby Blue (after Uncle John’s Band)
-These AUD only tracks are not included here but are available on shn ID # 4641 to supplement the SBD
Thanks to anonymous for the discs
* – First 0:06.122 of d1t01 Big Boy Pete spliced in from AUD patch via previously circulating SBD
source from Hanno Bunjes: 3rd gen cassette > CD > SoundForge
(5% speed correction/amplify) > CD as per shn ID # 4641 notes. (AUD patch volume adjusted -25%
in new source)
** – splice @ 04:56.54 of d1t08 Cryptical reprise
*** – splice @ 05:24.72 of d2t06 King Bee
All flaws noted above are present in the master and appear in the previously circulating SBD
shn ID # 4641
I'll take the bait
Angry Jack Straw - I'd also go with just the five. Which to choose though, that's tough. I like Ladies & Gentlemen a lot. I mean, that is some Midnight Hour. Sunshine Daydream for sure. Now it starts getting tricky. Have to economize though. Dick's Picks 14. Dick's Picks 18. The 3rd show from the Winterland 1973 box set 11/11/73...and one free soundboard for my troubles, 2/26/77!!
That was difficult. I could easily rotate a different 5 releases in there. DP 12, Rockin' The Rhein (with Bonus CD), One From The Vault, Winterland June 1977 3rd show 6/9/77, Closing of Winterland...one free soundboard RFK 6/10/73!!
It's All One Show
In the den I never listen to complete, sequential evenings of all the songs that were played together in a row. If I wasn't "at" that show when it happened, I sure as shit ain't now.
Having been to several Mardi Gras, in New Orleans, and also having suffered through weak Fat Tuesday celebrations elsewhere in the states, there is nothing like being there.
So listening to a past show sequenced in totality is the same as drinking in an Irish bar on Fat Tuesday in Cleveland, and finding the baby in the King Kake.
It's bullshit, compared to being there.
To each your own, however, at home we shuffle every song every date every year every lineup. It's all the same show, really, a massive God-breath that peaked, petered, and eventually blew out before relighting and burning into the mellow amber we have now. Dead and Company.
Still listen to complete shows on cd in the car, though. Have to forward whenever Supplication, Sunshine Daydream, Weather Report Suite or Cassidy comes on. I am unfond of those numbers. Let's add Looks Like Rain and Lazy Lightnin' to that shit list. And all of Brent's songs cut to album by this band at the end, at it's most dysfunctional and void of material.
Roguedeadguy
I am so, so very sorry, man.
I know what that is like, and it is one of the hardest things in this life to deal with.
When my first cat died many years ago, I woke up crying for three days straight, I mean right out of sleep, first thing after waking up, right into crying, it was fucking horrible. The pain was so intense.
Now my second cat is about fifteen, and is now showing signs of end of life.
People don't realize just how close/connected we are to our furry friends...for some of us they are like our children.
I pray that you and your wife find peace soon.
Peace, man.
One Show-LedDed
I thought you hit the nail on the head when you drew a distinction between seeing the band live and listening to a live recording. We, who collect live recordings, are not listening to live shows. We are listening to recordings of live shows-which is very different. It seems strange in a way how much emphasis is placed on the importance of including the whole show in releases. If what we want to listen to is the best music the band played, then we do not necessarily need to listen to every song played at every show. Especially, perhaps, when we have got so much music to listen to.
Two of the best releases in the Dead catalogue remain Anthem of the Sun and Live Dead. Both releases are enhanced by a cut and paste technique. Anthem is a work of art. Both releases seem to recognise that recorded music is different from live music. They present live music in an imaginative way that capitalises on the benefits of both mediums.
Having said that, I do like complete releases. But there is surely room for other approaches as well. I bought Long Strange Trip last year for the Dark Star, and I was surprised how much I enjoyed listening to both cds from beginning to end-even though I already had most of it. It just hung together really well. Someone mentioned that they would like to see a box set of Dark Stars last year somewhere-all unreleased, from one particular year. All sorts of things could be done-there is surely room for diversity.
Complete & the Live Show Experience
It's interesting.. both Anthem of the Sun and Live Dead were designed partly at least to have that whole show feel. More specifically to guide the listener through a full trip.. from coming on, to take-off, to interstellar exploration and peaking and ending by safely delivering you gently down and hopefully planting your feet firmly on the ground. I believe that was the goal anyway.. This is mentioned for Anthem at least in the excellent documentary Anthem to Beauty.
There are a lot of the compilations out there I really like.. DP2, DP18, even the oft aligned, choppy Wall of Sound Road Trips. ..but things have evolved and with many of the lower hanging fruit already picked and released.. and with what is not an unlimited supply of top shelf, releasable shows left, I think it's safe to say for the most part the whole show model is here to stay.
There is hope though.. there have to be many fragments left in the vault that need to be released where the whole show either does not exist in the vault or there are technical issues with part(s) of the show.
My guess is in the coming years you will see Dave and Rhino come to grips with how to get the excellent quality segments to market, somehow.. and I doubt of the Road Trip model will be the vehicle for that.
We all don't listen to an entire show every time we listen to the GD.. we often build our own playlists or hit the FF and RW button to get what we want with the time we have. But Dave's Picks will likely continue to release full shows if they exist.
80's Fans...
I wouldn't be too hopeful for any Dave's Picks from 80's any time soon...The 89 box hasn't even sold out yet and those shows are great.
‘78 Box hasn’t sold out yet either
Morel of the story?Morels taste like crap, so do magics, but magics are fun.
compilations....
Two very good years, '74 and '78, were also fraught with inconsistency onstage and in the recording process. Thus I think some great music, which for whatever reason doesn't fit the complete show release profile, has gone unreleased. To Dave and Rhino: Let it flow, I'll drink it any way you pour it.
Morels taste like crap?
sacrilege..
Would you like them Here or there?
Could you, would you, With a goat?
Would you could you on a boat?
gasp.. try dipping them in peanut butter then. Morels are one of my favorite foods and coincidentally one of my favorite mushrooms. I wish I was better at finding them.. but come this April I have some better ideas on where too look. They are here.
@ Thursday's Child, RE: DiP12
Agreed. Probably my all-time favorite release from the "vault-type" releases. I am happy with Dave's Picks, but I am still waiting for the release that even comes close to DiP12.
That China Cat... melting....
Peace
Void of material
Now that is funny. Sure to piss a few people off, but your entire premise is spot on.
The China from DaP12 is what I play when people ask why I like the band so much. If they can't figure it out in the first 30 seconds of that song, then nothing I can say or do will ever convince them otherwise. Plain and simple. Not worth any more of my time. Or theirs. Crazy good stuff.
Dave can spend all the time he needs searching the vault, but I have a hard time believing that anything left in there compares to DP12. DaP5 comes the closest and that was 5 years ago.
Still some good shows!
Dicks's Picks 12 is indeed some of the most creative and free GD music there is. But there are some unreleased shows that have some of that same magic. The first that come to mind are:10/18/72
6/22/73
5/19/74
I suspect these will all see the light of day at some point. Dave has mentioned a St Louis Fox '72 box set from time to time, with 10/17-19/72. It's a very fine run.
few things
Few things:
I don’t mind the compilations. Nice compliments to the rest of our collections. Dicks 7, 12, and 31 (all 1974) more than stand the test of time. I gotta think that there are early gems in the vault that feature chunks of shows that they can combine to get the good stuff out there…thinking 1967, 1968, 1970, etc. I’d be more than happy to get whatever is available rather than let them sit in the dark forever.
Finally…Go Eagles! I know there are a few fellow Philly fans on the board…this is our year!
another vote for compilations
Score me another vote for compilations.
Another downside of subscriptions -- Everything has to fit in the 3 discs 4 times a year formula. Which in turn kinda kills 80s shows, and maybe a lot of partial 60s shows in the vault.
As-is, I think there'll continue to be mostly 70s releases. they fit the formula best.
best of GD live
No Pigpen songs! Sacrilege.
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Disc: 1
1. St. Stephen (Live at The Fillmore West, San Francisco, CA 2/27/69) [Remastered]
2. Bertha (Live at The Fillmore East, New York, NY 4/27/71) [Remastered]
3. Wharf Rat (Live at The Fillmore East, New York, NY 4/26/71) [Remastered]
4. Sugar Magnolia (Live at The Olympia Theatre, Paris France 5/4/72) [Remastered]
5. Jack Straw (Live at The Olympia Theatre, Paris France 5/3/72) [Remastered]
6. Truckin' (Live at Lyceum Theatre, London, England 5/26/72) [Remastered]
7. Morning Dew (Live at Lyceum Theatre, London, England 5/26/72) [Remastered]
8. Brown-Eyed Women (Live at The Tivoli Concert Hall, Copenhagen, Denmark 4/14/72) [Remastered]
9. The Music Never Stopped (Live at The Great American Music Hall, San Francisco, CA 8/13/75) [Remaster
10. Estimated Prophet (Live at Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 5/8/77) [Remastered]
Disc: 2
1. Friend Of The Devil (Live at Radio City Music Hall, New York, NY 10/27/80) [Remastered]
2. Feel Like A Stranger (Live at the Warfield Theatre, San Francisco, CA 10/4/80) [Remastered]
3. Fire On The Mountain (Live at Radio City Music Hall, New York, NY 10/31/80) [Remastered]
4. Bird Song (Live 1980) [Remastered]
5. Ripple (Live at the Warfield Theatre, San Francisco, CA 10/4/80) [Remastered]
6. Eyes Of The World (Live at Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY 3/29/90) [Remastered]
7. Touch Of Grey (Live at Rich Stadium, Orchard Park, NY 7/4/89) [Remastered]
8. Blow Away (Live at John F. Kennedy Stadium, Philadelphia, PA 7/7/89) [Remastered]
9. So Many Roads (Live at Soldier Field, Chicago, IL 7/9/95) [Remastered]
Complete Shows vs. Compilations
Oh, look! We've found something else to debate that ultimately boils down to personal preference.
Where's Peachy when you need him?
On One Thing, Many Can Agree
That DiP 12 is one of the greatest offerings of GD that has been...offered. Despite it's chopped nature, it is a doozy. That Opening Chinacat jammy happiness into I Know You Rider sets the mighty tone and it never lets up.
I Love All GD, partial, whole, bits, pieces, even just the opening note to Viola Lee....BRING IT ALL PLEASE.
Sixtus
Complete Shows
When I first got into the Dead, I didn't mind if shows were incomplete. In those days I would FFWD=> through cowboy songs and ballads anyway. What I began to realize, however, is that there was a method to the Dead's set lists, that created and ebb and flow to the music. The first method was to alternate singers: Jerry, Bobby, Pigpen; and then within that alternating pattern, they frequently set one song up for another (like a ballad would act as a coda after a rocker; or within a jam like Dark Star, the tension that was brought on by five minutes of atonal cacophony would be relieved by the melodic Mind Left Body, Tighten Up, or Feeling Groovy jams).
I also prefer complete shows, because any song can have one of those hot moments that immortalize a song version...take Me and My Uncle from DaP 11 - Jerry's solo jumps right out of the speaker cabinet at you.
Complete Shows
How do we get our hands on a complete show if the music never stopped?
Complete Shows vs. Compilations
I mentioned this before but I would like to see them start up the Road Trips series again in addition to Dave's Picks.
Dave can continue to cull shows from the 70's with his picks and the Road Trips series can be used for shows that are incomplete for whatever reason, taping quality, destroyed/damaged tapes, missing tapes/sets, etc.
Hell the Road Trips series could even be used to release complete shows from the 80's and 90's that might not have the best recording quality.
Set it up as a subscription, start it at 10,000 units or whatever they think demand would be and start releasing parts of shows or shows.
The Dave's Picks series would be reserved for the cream of the crop full shows and the Road Trips series could provide a degree of flexibility.
Everyone wins! Fans of all eras get some shows or parts of shows and The Dead and Rhino get our money.
Complete versus partial
I say just release everything, regardless of completeness, audio quality and era.
Post-GD bliss
If this doesn't move you to tears, or at least cause a lump in your throat, go immediately to the nearest ER, as you may have expired and just don't know it yet.
That week
Wonderful! Such a great song. That night at Shoreline was a great show, and the following weekend's 3 nights of Phil & Friends at the Warfield made for one of the best weeks of post-GD music in the Bay.
It's not this version, but one from Red Rocks I think, where Joan says she realized how sad a song Days Between is during the performance and started tearing up while she was singing it!
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@its_just_me
When there is a lot of leftover space, they do filler or two shows (DaP 3, DaP 6, DaP 11, DaP 12, DaP 18, DaP 19, DaP 22), so they're not really pigeon holed into a format.
My order is also on the way.
Should arrive in about two weeks, 10 days if I'm lucky and the wind is blowing in the right direction. I expect to have read many reviews on here before I get to hear it for myself. C'est la vie.
Complete or incomplete, that is the question
DiP 12 is an outlier for me as it tries to replicate a full show from a combination of 2 shows, and it's a personal favorite. DiP 14 is a good one, too, but I almost always would prefer the full show, even if there are songs I would skip on relistens. Even though I loathe and detest it, I listen to Little Red Rooster the first time through on a release, just to see if there's anything worth listening to in future. Looks Like Rain is borderline, up through '77 or so I usually don't skip, but after that, the theatrics of Bobby's performance tend to grate on me and my poor ears. But like keithfan mentioned, where I used to be a second set only listener, when I got into full shows, I started to really appreciate the Dead a LOT more.
The Road Trips are not my thing, for the most part, but I get the idea. I end up making 1 or 2 disc highlight compilations anyway, but you never know when a first set song is going to be a definitive version for you, and if it's cut from the release, you may never know, unless you go to the Archive to check out the rest of the show. If it's a short show, I want as much filler as possible. DaP 11 is still in my top 3 Picks and is a short show with almost a whole disc of filler including a 30 min PitB. I wish they had a rule of no 40 min discs. But I hope Dave's Picks stays full shows, and if they want another way to put out compilations or things like that, I'd probably buy a lot of that as well.
Last 5:
Dave's 19 1/23-24/70
Dave's 17 7/19/74
Dave's 21 4/2/73
Dave's 23 1/22/78 40 years ago today
5/9/77
Other stuff has been mixed in, but those are the last shows I picked for a full listen.
Complete Shows My Preference
For all of the reasons mentioned. I see no downside, other than (and I wish I could remember who said this a few months ago), it will take longer to hear all of the second set gems (and first) when you have complete shows. But I'm young, I can wait. This is why we probably won't see something as totally awesome sauce as DP 12 again. They would need to release something like DaP 16 and DaP 21 as a single set to get all of the long instrumental passages on one CD set.
I can't wait to hear Binghampton. I've been warming up with Seneca (DaP 12 leftovers + DP 34 leftovers), and it's gotten me warm alright.
etc...
Rogue Guy - sorry to hear about your furry friend, had a scare two weeks ago - my boy dog killed a raccoon and turned out to be rabid. He's always been current on rabies vaccines, but scary thought - only way to detect rabies is thru brain dissection. He's in-home quarantine for 45 days. Funny thing is that where he grabbed raccoon was right near where my mom-in-law parks and she had picked up my 5yr old from school right before that. So conceptually the dog was protecting her.
Nice link Bolo, very moving performance.
My preference is whole shows and favorite era is the one drummer lineup (Bill the Drummer), but listen to all. Still missing DaP1, couple of latter DiPs and a bunch of RT's but working on that...
Last Five listens:
73-12-19 DiP1
72-09-24 30TATS
68-10-20 30TATS
89-07-13 RFK Box
78-01-22 DaP23
Looking forward to next couple of weeks with seeing my team back to the SB and some upcoming releases DaP25, JGB GL v10, RT 4.2, FZ box.
Dead and Company coming to Europe?
Strong rumours of a Europe visit late summer/autumn 2018, from John Mayer no less
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TIGDH
jrf68 and boblopes are on the right track.
It was 40 years ago today, the Grateful Dead decided to play.
They have never gone out of style, and they're guaranteed to raise a smile...
Particularly if you decide to listen to DaP 23 today.
We're so quick to rush off to the next one with our pontifications and speculations, but don't forget that 1.22.78 is one ripping show with which we have been so recently blessed.
Cracking open a Crank Yanker IPA (yeah, that's a thing) and enjoying this one tonight.
(Best Suzy Kolber voice): "Thanks Dave!"
$0.02...
Favorite official release? Yeah, put me down for DiP 12. It epitomizes my favorite Grateful Dead sound. Jerry's tone on that one just puts me into my happiest place, no matter what else is going on. LedDed, I am right there with you in terms of your "Fast Forward" list, with one massive exception. I am going Freedom Rock and turning it up to 11 when the Sunshine Daydream from DiP 12 comes on. Neighbors get pissed and people start freaking out at stoplights when that's on the tray.
Compilations or full shows? I'm voting compilations all day if that's what gets an official Fillmore East 9.20.70 out here.
DiP 12 redux
That Eyes. Lord, that may be my favorite version just because Jerry has two hot solos and Phil comes in for the kill on his solo and just tears it up, then non-chalantly goes, "Thanks a lot folks, see ya on Friday." The one from Selland 7/19/74 is probably better overall, some other ones, too, but being an encore this one has remained my favorite. Had to put it on again just for the Phil solo.
For you guys and gals lucky enough to see the band in '73-74 the heaviest of the "jazzy Dead", did it seem like they were edging into fusion territory, or was it just normal that the Dead would get weird? Just a random musing after hearing a bass solo Stanley Clarke, Alphonso Johnson, and Jaco Pastorius would tip their hats toward.
Lastly, the Jerry Moore AUD makes the Wall of Sound's clarity abundantly clear, the voices sound much better here than on the SBDs due to those mics. I tell ya though, the constant torrent of "Sit down" and "Sit down, f*ckers" is maddening, and put a point in favor of the listening to a nice SBD argument vs dealing with some of the stupidity of the live experience. Even in Providence 1974, asshats abounded. In the comfort of my own home, however, Dick's 12th is a masterpiece on the top of the uppermost shop of Vguy's theoretical shelving unit.
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chiming in
I wanted to chime in on the complete show talk--Several have made good arguments about the existential question of listening to a LIVE show that might not live. You're not experiencing it live,it's all echoes.
Despite agreeing with this, I'll tell you I almost exclusively listen to whole shows--even fill in Dick's Picks with audience tracks if need be.
The reason is simple--context. It all matters.
Skipping the rest of a primal show for Dark Star/Stephen is like skipping not only the foreplay, but the sex itself, for the orgasm.
Cheers to all and let the music keep coming. (Pun intended)
re: chiming in
Does it follow that skipping the rest of an early 1970 show for And We Bid You Goodnight is like skipping not only the foreplay, the sex itself, and the orgasm for the postcoital smoke?
Partial/Comp. shows Good.
Full shows Grate!! No wonder the Dave's Picks series is so successful.
Complete Shows vs Compilations (Some More)
Me? I only ever listen to complete shows. From start to finish. Every note, every drumbeat, every flubbed lyric, and every soaring solo.
Unless, of course, I'm in the mood for some killer second sets. Then I'll just hopscotch from set to set in whatever order my mood dictates.
Then again, I might start running a train of "Brown Eyed Women" through the decades from Newcastle '72 to Normal '78 (and possibly beyond!) just so I can experience its evolution in every subtle nuance.
Or, after a few hits of Purple Contemplation and a glass or two of Buffalo Trace, I might decide to play a game of jukebox and simply let my whole Dead archive (studio and live) play on random for a few hours of "Wonder What's Next" bliss.
But only from '68 through '78. Never anything past that. Okay, well -- except for some occasional '89 or '90. But that's my absolute hard stop. Not counting 10/19/94, which was my last ever Jerry show. GD at MSG, bitches!
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