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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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    So dreading denied 10 people a 30Trips Box so he could break them up to make a buck? That’s why there needs to be order limits. There is also someone selling 10 GSTL Boxes on Amazon for $300 each. ORDER LIMITS!!!!
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    You'll have a long wait. They're remastering the Pigpen and Janis 710 Ashbury sex tapes first.
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    Dave Reading here, nice to meet you all. Long time Dead fan, long time forum reader, first time poster, long time physical record store / CD store owner. I like all eras, but I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that the 80s and 90s are as popular as the 60s and 70s. If they were, the sales would reflect it, but they don't. The 80s and 90s kept up at first, but lost pace ever since the market became saturated, which was roughly half-way through the Dick's Picks series. Until then, releases were infrequent, and the Deadheads came out every time something new came out, regardless of era. But once the release rate really picked up steam and consistency, all sales decreased, but more so the 80s (there weren't ever really too many '90s shows). I attribute this to the rationing of funds by consumers for the cream of of the crop, and the availability of more 80s product for lower prices online (which is not an opinion, it is a fact based on objective research I did, with no other motive than to identify which releases were most likely to help pay the mortgage). The sales figures tell the story. Just one example is the 30 Trips Around The Sun box set. I broke up 10 sets and sold them. It took 2 months to sell 1967 - 1978 and two years to sell 1979 - 1989. I still have a lot of '90s left. The 1966 release was in a slight class of its own, taking six months to sellout. What skews the tables even further is that I barely marked up the 80s and 90s, so not only did they take an immensely longer time to sell, but this occurred at a significantly lower price. It's no surprise to me whatsoever that Rhino appears to be pushing the 60s and 70s releases, because they're running a business and these are the money makers. I am sharing this to hopefully shed some light on the situation, and possibly help alleviate some of the typewriter churn that this topic has ushered in on the forum. Have a nice day and enjoy Dave's Picks 25!
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    Anyone got a Justia account so you can log in and see who the owner is? https://trademarks.justia.com/860/76/betty-86076910.html BETTY BOARDS BETTY BOARDS Digital music downloadable from the Internet; Downloadable MP3 files, MP3 recordings, on-line discussion board posts, webcasts… Owned by: ABCD Enterprises, LLC Serial Number: 86076910 https://www.trademarkia.com/betty-boards-86076910.html
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    great pick
    I have to agree with you on this subject. The playing and sound is far superior to anything in the 80's and 90's.Like I said in an earlier post, 1974 is my favorite year and wish for a box set.
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    I dispute the posts stating flatly that the GD have "purchased" any tapes from anyone who ended up with the Betty Boards from her locker. I doubt anyone on this board has inside information on how that deal works. I don't believe the remaining band members have changed their stance: "we don't pay for tapes that [ultimately] belong to us." But the liner notes on shows released from returned tapes all say: "Tapes provided through the assistance of ABCD Enterprises, LLC." I believe, but cannot confirm, that that means the folks with the tapes provided them for the release and probably earn a modest percentage of the earnings off the release. As for "paying for tapes" and then "blah blah profit" off them; the first is BS, the second is how the freakin' release program works. No profit, no release. Further, I'd guess (only a guess) that there may have been some arrangement to get a fair number of returned tapes released relatively quickly, which has already happened with two boxes and multiple DaPs. That way, the folks holding the tapes received some recompense for their willingness to provide the tapes. With the recent frequency of those returned tapes from Betty's locker, I'd suggest that Lemieux has options this year. He has not released a bunch of tapes from the Mtn Grrrl stash, which was received years ago. So while Dave has moved swiftly on some returned tapes, he has clearly withheld others. Over and out.
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    Hey David
    Is that an untapped era or an untaped era? I know there are some tape fragments but man o man, what I would not give for what you have proposed...
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    I love that show too Jason (was there ever a better first Wharf Rat, sandwiched between Dark Star and Dark Star, part II, which was so exquisite as to garner its own title, Beautiful Jam?) In my humble opinion, I don't believe it would be a Dave's Picks, but I do believe it will be released eventually. The reason I don't think it would be a Dave's Picks release is that it is 1) a multi-track recording and 2) part of a 6 show run (Feb 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, & 24). Typically, Dave's Picks have been compiled from the two-track recordings in the vault. I would think that they would consider this Port Chester run to be one of the top-shelf commodities in the Vault and release it as part of a box set, or as a wider release, like the follow-up night that was released as Three From The Vault. I do think it will see the light of day (it almost "has to" given the sales momentum that most of the Vault releases have today). If you want to help expedite its release, write to your Congressman: Dave Lemeieux / vault@dead.net
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    I think you're slightly misquoting Dave's criteria for release, I believe he's said they look for great performance first, and then make sure the tape of that performance has great sound. They don't seek out a fantastic sounding tape that has a mediocre performance. Almost all of the Dave's Picks have met both criteria, I think a few have been mediocre releases. I also agree with icecrmcnkd that the recently returned stuff will come out first. They have paid whatever it cost them to get them back in the Vault, and they need to generate revenue to make up for that outlay as you said. But they also seem to be finding the very best of that return for releases. As soon as they got Cornell, Buffalo, and Boston, they put it out. The July '78 box, which is still onsale, was the trial balloon. Those are really good shows (most especially 7/1, which was a non-circulating tape), and DaP 21 4/2/73 is a great show with a masterful recording job by Rex Jackson, DaP 22 12/6-7/71, another great sounding Rex tape that may fit the category of mediocre performance (debatable as there's an advocate for this Pick a few posts below), DaP 23 1/22/78 has been sought after for years and was put out to everyone's delight, and then DaP 24 8/25/72 was a Bear tape somehow in the Betty collection. Dave's 25th and 26th are both returned tapes, and the 6th of Dave's choices was also a returned tape, two actually. I hope there's more in the Houseboat collection worth putting out, but with all the Bettys (including her husband Rex's tapes, and the random(?) Bear tapes she had) back in the Vault, I would think the propensity will be finding the best of those and putting those out first. I think performance is the first box that has to be checked off, otherwise 30 Trips would not have included 5/16/81 or 7/31/82, which sound dreadful to my ears, but are good shows, just tough to listen to.
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    Any chance of 2/18/71 for an upcoming Dave's Pick?This has always been one of my favorites.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 03:48

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I like your idea of having the two series running concurrently. Exactly as you describe really,-Daves Picks as is, with Road Trips being subscription only, featuring partial shows or less well recorded ones for those who want to hear them. Seems like an everyone wins situation to me, too.
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Submitted by Roguedeadguy on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 04:08

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So then, it follows logically that pulling up a 90s show and jumping straight to I Will Take You Home is like skipping the foreplay and the sex and jumping straight to the awkward "Yea . . . I'm not really looking for a relationship right now."
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Submitted by Roguedeadguy on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 04:21

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Nugs.net has just about every show Dead & Co have ever played available in MP3, lossless, or physical CD. I'm sure the Riviera Run will be available also. They might even have a pre-order deal going (but I haven't looked)
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Submitted by Thin on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 10:16

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DiP12 (June '74 with the amazing Chinacat pre-jam) is absolutely on my desert island 5, along with 2/27/69, 11/7/71, 5/10/72, 10/19/73, 10/9/76, 10/29/77, 11/29/80, 10/9/89, and 3/22/90. That's my 5 ;) I generally prefer complete shows, but partials make a TON of sense in many situations: - Some shows have a weak first set, but set 2 shines - rarely is an entire show "must-hear", especially in later years. - Some reels didn't fully survive - i.e.: Didn't one of the Utica NY March '73 shows have a 1st set that was too damaged to save, but both 2nd sets survived? - Many shows (see 1973) can handle a little fat-trimming, esp. first set. My fav partials combine 2 shows into one release, i.e.: Road Trips '88: disc 1 = first set highlights, discs 2 & 3 = second sets. I could see some show pairs getting similar treatment, maybe 9/7 & 9/8/73, 10/1 & 10/2/77, or 10/29 & 10/30/73.... But the "Fall '77 Road Trips" is so Frankenstein-fragmented that you lose the context, and it likely precludes those shows from full release. Note that they're not releasing unrelated filler anymore as they use bonus discs to complete full shows. The longer they focus on complete shows, the more partials they have with with no outlet.
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Submitted by evilyn2003@hot… on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 07:18

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So it was the 40th Anniversary of McArthur Court-University Of Oregon-Eugene, OR 1/22/78 last night. Close encounters...indeed. So I figured I'd do it up right and pop a blot about 8PM. I started the show (listening to the Dave's Picks 23 version of course) bout an hour later and what a blast!!! Man, from Cobo Hall on 11/1/77 all the way into May of '78 the Dead were in seriously ferocious rockin' territory....Garcia just shreds and the solo jam in "Jack Straw" got so freakin' muscular it's almost to the level of full-blown hard rock at times. The energy level of gigs like 11/5 and 6/77, 12/27 and 12/29 and 12/31/77, 1/11 and 1/12/78, 1/17/78, 1/22/78, 2/3/78, 2/5/78, 4/16/78, 4/22/78, 4/24/78, 5/7/78, 5/10 and 11/78, and of course the magic of July '78 (and the insanity of 12/30 and 12/31/78) is simply out of sight!!! I just love the go for broke, sometimes raucous to the point of over the top vibe of this period. So I was pretty spaced by half way through Set 1 of 1/22/78 last night and by the time I hit "Jack Straw" I was up and dancing around my apt. The way they all just shout "Jack Straw from Wichita cut his buddy down" after Jerry's raging strumming seriously brought tears of joy to my eyes. I'll admit I love everything about 1/22/78, have since the first time I heard it years ago. But being in that special state of mind can really turn things up to 11 (as the Spinal Tap boys would say). By Set 2 I was just enough in the void to really let the band take over and just lead the way. One of my favorite single sets of Dead music, as always I heard many new things (at least I think I did), and by the end of the show I mentally felt wiped out, in a good way. Not that beginning to come down introspective melancholy I and many others have so often experienced. After Disc 3 stopped I just sat and "recovered" in total silence for about 20 minutes. The sheer reverence and love I have for the Grateful Dead keeps my faith in humanity alive. They weren't afraid of the darkness and were always shooting for the light. 40 years later 1/22/78 has lost NONE of its power regardless of what state of mind you're in. But oh man, what a blast!!! Now it's gettin' on crash out time. Just hope I can be awake enough to listen to 1/23/70 (Dave's 19) later on tonight. It isn't going to involve the additional cosmic power boost of last night's trip, but then again one can't go exploring that way EVERY day... But I know personally I did justice and paid the proper homage to the 40th Anniversary of 1/22/78 last night and it was damn fine. Thanks for puttin' on one helluva show guys!!!!
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 08:25

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How about a big ass Box of partial shows? Jim, good luck this spring hunting for morels, hope you have a big harvest. Would hate to have to say that Row Jimmy in MD has no morels. :) Maybe you can get a dog to sniff them out. I say, my dog has no nose. No nose? How does he smell morels? Jealous of the fun Evilyn had last night......
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Submitted by JeffSmith on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 11:17

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Shipping notice just received. DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 (wrapped in a Rosy View of the Harvest Moon Rising over Binghamton as seen from inside a Cornucopia as Two Souls in Communion sashay over a Golden Road reflected off of the confluence of the of the Susquehanna and Chenango Rivers with a serenade of Leaping Smallmouth arching past plus the Washington Street Bridge, Roses and token Ears of Corn thrown in for good measure) IS ON THE WAY! (Nice job Tim!)
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Submitted by 80sfan on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 11:32

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No shipping notice here, but for some reason lately I've been getting the actual CD before getting the shipping note, so hoping that's the case here as well....
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Submitted by Lightfoot510 on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 11:52

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Without fail, itll show up at my doorstep before the shipping email haha
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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 12:21

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I'm personally counting on the alpacas and Sherpas to guide my DaP25 safely through the mountainous regions of Nepal prior to it landing via passenger pigeon on my doorstep, which will all occur approximately three days prior to the receipt of the 'Shipping Notice' email. Glad these are hitting the road to Heads. Sixtus
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Submitted by NCDead on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 12:45

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My question since i have yet to get the email either. Is, is it comming smartpost?
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Submitted by Mr.Dc on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 13:18

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I have yet to hear this one, looking forward to it. The liquid lightshow sun on the cover art looks great. As for complete shows vs Best of mixes, I prefer the complete shows and even would like for the tuning and pauses between tunes to be included. I would also add that the great best of releases would be even better IMO if they included what was cut. Last 5 1. The Electrifying Sounds Of The Paul Jeffrey Quintet 2. Wee Tam and The Big Huge - Incredible String Band 3. Tiny Tim Breaks the World Professional Non-Stop Singing Record 1988 4. Blue Incantation - Sanjay Mishra FT Jerry 5. Roky and the Aliens (1980)
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Submitted by ihor on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 13:28

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evilyn2003@hotm... said: "A collection dealing strictly with Ned Lagin and "Seastones" would also be rad!" if i recall correctly, the 1974 tour of 'ned and phil' sets comes out to something like 9 or 10 CDs? that would make for a nice box set. NedBase http://nedbase.blogspot.com/ has a listing of those shows. meanwhile, the new two CD 'seastones' album is coming out shortly. you can read more about it at ned lagin's site Spiritcats http://spiritcats.com/ and click through the MUSIC link. I-) ihor
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Submitted by JeffSmith on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 14:02

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. . . and I thought that's a full harvest moon in keeping with the autumn show date. Even convinced myself I saw shadings of lunar “seas” and craters. Nice “liquid lightshow sun" interpretation Mr.Dc. Oh well, nothing some of evilyn2003’s blotter couldn’t clear up nicely. Hope tonight’s encore of 1/23/70 hits the spot evilyn! . . . and hope Ned gets the new re-mixed, remastered 2-CD edition of Seastones released at some point, although I’ve been watching that “space” on spiritcats for a while and haven’t seen any updates for probably two years. There’s also mention of an even more ambitious set of Seastones CDs “ to be released later.” Twould be rad indeed! Maybe there's some behind the scenes collaboration going on with Ned and GD and Rhino or somebody. . .
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Submitted by smokeyjoe751 on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 17:21

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I haven't received an e-mail confirming shipping and sent an email to customer service and I've heard nothing. I have hope seeing the rest of the comments on here but I would really like to know. All I do know is that 3 people broke into my hotel room disguised as hotel employees. They proceeded to eat all my food, drink all my booze, and did all my drugs. If security does not get better I will have to seek higher accommodations. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you have to go to breakfast with a razor sharp hunting knife.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 17:37

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Jim and Bolo forced me to come with them.
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Submitted by Erikandjenn on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 18:36

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Delivery is the first Black Can't steam snow We were at this point; there should be angels dancing on a pin. Thank you for a real good time Grease is good for one's constitution Pocket pule hammers that 8 ball. These are the days between
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Submitted by Butch on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 19:07

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Just bought the 30 Trips Around the Sun Box Set. 30 shows. 80 CDs. 5 keyboard players. No Weather Report Suite.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 19:55

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They only played WRS for 14 months, from September 73 through October 74. Great sequence, it just wasn't played for the two shows they played during that period, SD 73 and Dijon 74. There's a couple Let It Grows in the box: Lakeland FL 1980 Riverbend 1985 Luck of the draw I guess.
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Submitted by jackstrawberry on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 20:24

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Thanks for the info Charlie3. That is awesome news. In addition to Philly 82 show, I am also eager to purchase that 5/15/70 show! That is a tremendous show that I need!
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Submitted by Charlie3 on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 20:31

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That is a killer show and one of my favorites from the 30 Trips box, just listened to it again recently. Good Darkstar, and I always like hearing Doin' That Rag. Since the 30 Trips box came out I have listened to the shows from '69, '70, '71, '72, '73, and '75 more frequently than anything else from the box. Today I revisited DaP 19, the last pick with a Darkstar, after noticing someone on here mention that the anniversary of the show was today. Hit the spot. Really looking forward to getting DaP 25 so I can give it a listen and check out the cover art up close.
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Submitted by Charlie3 on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 20:43

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jackstrawberry, yeah, I am glad to see the series reissued and am looking forward to picking up that 5/15/70 show. I also missed the release with the Denver '73 show, and will be picking that up in a couple of weeks when it comes out as you can never have too much '73 Dead. Come to think of it, you can never have to much Jerry from '73 either, particularly those Keystone recordings with Merl Saunders. smokeyjoe751 - dig the post.
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Submitted by libertycaps97211 on Tue, 01/23/2018 - 22:54

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Gimme the instrumental "Prelude" only ala the magnificent DaP 21 and/or "LiG>Drums>LiG" post-hiatus '76 era. Hold the "Suite" please. Lyrics always make me cringe.
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Submitted by dantian73 on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 00:06

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a new username just to respond to libertycaps97211. My friend, how can you say that about WRS? In many instances, the main "instrumental" part i.e. the "JAM!" part comes AFTER the prelude and LIG "suite" lyrics. Go right now and listen to my fav WRS, 12/18/73. Or if you prefer, listen to Road Trips 2.3, 6/18/74 (my second fav WRS). Take your pick, but there is soooo much more happening after the prelude, I fear you have been severely misinformed. No offense. Peace.
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Submitted by dantian73 on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 00:09

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I am going to listen to both myself, right now. So thank you for that ;)
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 04:46

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Welcome back from your coma.:)
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Submitted by danc on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 05:57

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nice post evilyn! A few months before it was announced, I listened to Eugene and I was FLOORED, again, by the Not Fade Away. It's loud and powerful, it's soft and nuanced, it's everything special about the band at that time. Amazing musical dialog, signature gigantic searching effort and creativity during an already blazing hot set. Woofers and tweeters and doubters take cover!
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Submitted by ryanpm1976 on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 06:47

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I have always received the release before getting the shipping email. I am sure this time will be no different.
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Submitted by deadegad on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 07:12

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Over the years I have noticed that here in New York City my shipping notice is usually received later than other U.S areas. Likewise, and naturally, I tended to receive my Dave's quite later too, but, it always arrives. So I am not worried. Of course our European friends have to be very, very patient and are usually "shaken down" for $ from their respective postal officials. The color scheme on this one is very, hmm, hypnotic, for me anyway.
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Submitted by mustin321 on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 09:04

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A lot of talk about Dick's Picks 12 so I decided to give it a listen...its been a few years. Definitely some great stuff on there but it barely feels like a Grateful Dead show. I didn't mind this being a compilation when I first bought it years ago, just like I didn't mind Europe 72 & Live/Dead being compilations, but I guess I've heard too many complete shows at this point and its just easier to tell the difference. I will say though, it seems, most compilations are set up to feel like one show but Dick's 12 is far from it. One Sugar Magnolia per release please. Edit/PS: I'm glad this was released and I will buy anything that is released (other than the best of's) ...just saying its a lot more fun to listen to a complete show, warts & all, and imagine I was there.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 09:11

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Ha.. that's funny. I have to think this issue is pretty much resolved. They will release complete shows to the extent they can. One day they will attend to some of the fragments that need to see daylight in some way that hopefully will be tasteful and make most people mostly happy.
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Submitted by Lightfoot510 on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 09:12

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Amazed to see a shipping email grace my inbox today. Doesnt look like itll be here by friday though, unless its some seriously fast shipping. Either way, grateful day (just like the last)
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Submitted by gdeadmh on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 09:21

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I have had my copy for days however haven’t opened it until the release so I don’t have to add all of the song titles. I concur with other of us in the community that it is time to move past 1977 release irrespective of the fact I was at all of the east coast 77 shows. They were great but variance from one show to the next was not huge (vis-a-vis 72 versus 77). I hope that Dave gets the message and finds some gems, like RFK 1973 with the Allmans, and give us some added variety.
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Submitted by deadegad on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 09:49

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Well, speak of the devil, just after my no-ship-email-post and along came my shipment email notice! Good news.
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Submitted by SkullTrip on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 13:47

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Speaking of the force of fast shipping -- my delivery date was just shifted from Saturday to tomorrow. Oh, Happy Hump Day! Nothing left to do now but smile, smile, smile...
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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 14:55

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Hey all, After they finally arrive, I will have 2 extra and unopened 25's to trade if anyone would be interested. I would prefer to trade for unopened copies of either 22 or 23, or any other previous volumes for that matter, other than 20 and 24. Please message me if you are interested. Thanks
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Submitted by deadtony on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 15:00

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Just wanted to share a sweet picture my daughter made for me!! If i knew how to post a picture on this!!! Please help!
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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 15:07

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If you can get it on the web somewhere.. you can post it. I don't know how you can post it from your PC.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 15:59

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DaP 25 left Tennessee at 7:25 AM on the 22nd. Just arrived in Fontana, CA at noon today, heading to Las Vegas. At this rate, Dave's is going to beat the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs....
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 01/24/2018 - 16:00

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I’ve tried many times to post a picture on this site and have never succeeded. Always tried while using an iPhone or iPad, so I assumed that it was only possible using a computer. Jim constantly succeeds at posting videos and shirdeep succeeds at posting pix. Don’t know why I consistently fail. What’s the secret Jim and shirdeep? Please do tell. Can’t believe that Casey Jones doesn’t want to trade for DaP20. That’s like the holy grail.
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