Dave's Picks Volume 25: Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, NY 11/6/77

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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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February 28, 2018 - 8:01pm

#1691

libertycaps97211

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Dave's 27 speculation?

Or too soon? A much more fun topic for discussion than PTSD GoGD FOMO.
February 28, 2018 - 7:57pm

#1692

snafu

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What again damn shut up lol

The title is meant as a joke. In all the posts on FW '69 and the secondary market 1 point hasn't really been discussed. Many people including many on this site are collectors of something be it stamps coins baseball cards etc. The fact that they want ltd. eds. to stay ltd for retaining value doesn't make them evil. In addition to it being a moral deficiency for a company to go back on its word and make more it's a contractual violation. As a stamp collector I pay huge premiums for stamps on ebay or a stamp collectin store and have no problem with that. Getting to the specifics of '69 for those who claim it's about access to the music getting a digital copy is hardly an issue and will sound the same. But I can't help but believe with those loudly complaining it may be the music but equally important is wanting what I bought with a specific promise 13 years ago. Ask a friend to make you a copy, buy it on ebay-the greatest thing for collectors ever- or deal with it. Your trashing of people who are collectors and expecting people who do a great job providing us a great product to go back on their word is getting old.
February 28, 2018 - 7:37pm

#1693

David Duryea

Joined:
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income

I suppose I'm grateful to be able to afford all the GD releases with all the millions Rhino and George Soros give me to post on this site and join protests all across the country.
February 28, 2018 - 7:36pm

#1694

libertycaps97211

Joined:
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Ante up with Blue Dream

And i raise with Mt. Hood Magic. It is one helluva good tyme to be a picky Audiophile Dead Head and alive.
February 28, 2018 - 7:35pm

#1695

JimInMD

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RDS and Secondary Market

I live in the middle of nowhere.. so travelling to a record store takes all day and $50 bucks round trip in gas. I get all mine either from a particular RS owner whom I have a relationship with or via the secondary market. It's funny, I think Dennis wrote about this earlier in the day, I have a turntable but moved into a smaller house six years ago.. so I have not set it up yet. One day I will though... and I try to keep up on them as best I can. One other comment, as a reply or in support of snafu's Rhino comment. I hear a lot of people putting Rhino (and dead.net) in the category of cashing in on the almighty dollar. Sort of a sell-out of sorts. Add up the expected gross revenue in a year (which is easy to do) and create some realistic estimates for royalties (yes, the artists should get a reasonable cut), then add in estimates for production costs (knowing this is outsourced), Norman's cut, Plangent Processing costs for the year, Dave's cut, Dave's healthcare and short term disability for injuries sustained filming his seaside chats, Rhino's cut, estimates for warehousing and distribution, the cost of outfitting MaryE with a new bicycle four times a year for delivery, add in healthcare and tax.. oh, and set aside say 10% for profit and overhead which is a low estimate. If you took the time to add reasonable estimates for each bucket, there is no pot of gold here at all.. just an idea that allows for a small few to pay their bills and perhaps put their kids through college. Just my opinion.. but this is less a money grab and more a mom and pop operation that might just have a heart and soul. Again, my opinion, I could be wrong.
February 28, 2018 - 7:27pm

#1696

LedDed

Joined:
February 16, 2017

Warfield 10/80 C.C. Rider

Off that "Complete Live Rarities Collection." Nothing will ever be complete with this band... no offense to the completist. Thing was worth the money, though I probably had most of it. I don't know. Just like I signed up like a sucker for that oncoming, "Best Repackage You Can Pay For Again" coming out soon. I said yes to that request thing y'all (seriously?) got behind because 1973 or whatever was a good year just like most of the rest. And I'll play along. As a registered D______, I signed some hippie's petition on a clipboard for some feelgood politician in front of the public library - today. Just trying to help his day along, like offering the fiver to the homeless person. I try to be nice. It's complicated. Complicated like how Verizon had millennials outside this rad pizza joint I frequent where I can order online and blast in and emerge, unscathed, and enjoy my pie. They wanted to sell me their goddamn (insert here, blah blah blah) fucking phone plan today at lunch. Anyone else hate running the gauntlet of just wanting to enter a business, give money and leave without having to deal with parasites outside the entrance? Don't tell me about pitying those who worked the shit jobs. I've had a plum one now for 20 years, running things - but I earned it; I've been a janitor, phone annoyer, newspaper boy and fire damage mitigator. I've walked that shit mile in those shoes. Pretty funny, the energy some focus onto these boards, like, as if, in the next master planning session at Rhino HQ, some bigwig is gonna go, "well, I have it on good authority that some of the prominent posters on Dead.net would really like a reissue of the 1969 box. That's good for over one hundred units sold right there!" Something horrible came on, and I changed it to, "A Horse With No Name." later
February 28, 2018 - 7:25pm

#1697

kyleharmon

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Jim yeah I imagine that

Jim yeah I imagine that boxset was the cause of many heated arguments at home lol. and I also imagine it probly was the cause for bad or ruined credit. I just cant imagine everyone being able to just plunk down 800 dollars I think plenty of people went and bought it on a credit card knowing full well they couldn't afford it. people buy cars they can't afford why not a box set? so I'm begging them to please, pleeaaaase for the love of god just do a mini box this year.
February 28, 2018 - 7:20pm

#1698

snafu

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RSD

Is April 21. They are starting to announce stuff now. Zep is releasing a 7" with 2 unreleased songs. There's sure to be more to come soon. Without trying to start something rsd is where the 2nd market comes in handy for me. I work Saturdays so I have to ebay the stuff I really want. I don't really resent it but I think it would turn the heat down a bit if they limited sales to rsd and ltd eds. to say 5. A few are ok This year I bought 2 Dave's extra one for my next gen deadhd nephew who is a Deadco fan but really wasn't into the GD until the sub and is hearing the range minus of course the 80's. Speaking of 80's for me some of the best shows I saw in that decade and with a double caveat emptor would make a great box set was the fall northeast tour of 83. They did release 1 as a dick's and 1 in 30 trips but there are another dozen plus that are superb.Hendrix freak I feel your pain back in the 90's I bought 65 shows bootleg. I do think that one of the reasons they and other boots have crashed in value is the quality was often crap and collectors are becoming more discerning now. Soltzus here's a place I think we can agree on judging from your posts. I'm a Zappa Freak and have been for 50+ years. I have everything he has ever released. The one problem with FZ releases is unlike the Dead his shows were very visual and you loose something just listening. Final housekeeping point. A lot of people here refer to Rhino as a business that makes decisions based solely on the dollar. While obviously they are a business which means the bottom line there's more to them than that. Even though they have become part of the Warners conglomerate they still retain something of their original mission. They were/are music lovers and while they naturally want dinero there's the love of music and pride in giving people something special. I know I'm glad they've put out all those collections from the Reprise Fugs to The Rascals Box the special Butterfield live double and the great Doors shows. Rhino Handmade was something special
February 28, 2018 - 7:19pm

#1699

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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I Buy

I would like to say that I do not buy these releases strictly for the music. The truth of the matter is I always buy several copies and make coasters and bong bases out of the extras. I assure you there's nothing more pleasurable then setting down a Redbreast on Dave's Picks Vol. 1 Disc 1. To see those spacey light saber skeletons and the Star Wars artwork as I pick up my glass for a sip of premium Whiskey, is topped only by the slow gurgling of a hit off a homemade bong topped with Blue Dream, as I look down at the cool teal disc from 2/28 that says Fillmore West. Life is good. Had I realized their worth, I would have made a lot more.
February 28, 2018 - 7:16pm

#1700

kyleharmon

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that's one expensive ass

that's one expensive ass coaster as Dave's 1 is always up for a thousand dollars. but vguy in here I believe actually got 1-4 at a flea market for exceptional price. so theres always flea markets and possibly used stores probly cuz someone chucked out someone's belongings or someone couldn't make the storage bill or got evicted from an apartment and just didn't know what they had of worth.

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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

So what’s the sound quality?

Over bassified or not?

burtonh

Your comment is right on, and I know others have said it. We are so so so so so fortunate to have all of these recordings. I can't believe this is the only band who did this, but so be it, I don't think too many other bands of the 70s switched it up as much, improvised as much, or had as many nuances as the Grateful Dead. So it's truly worth it for Deadheads. I can't imagine I would want to hear the Stones doing the same set list every night

#8484 & top 10

Dave’s 25 Arrived today in NY... Woo-Hoo Top 10, always tough to nail down Hard to Handle Eyes Shakedown Bertha Music Never Stopped Dark Star Caution Other One Sugar Mags Scarlet Keep on Keepin it on ;)

10 minutes in

Sound stunning - upgrade significant. High/low balance good. Cover art is in the top 4 of the DaP series. Not a skeleton art fan, but this is gorgeous. Is this the last show Jerry played the white Travis Bean?

Fave songs are the "fake Reggae" or Funky type ones

EyesEstimated Crazy Fingers Row Jimmy Shakedown M. Half Step T. Jed Help>Slip>Frank U.S. Blues Something about those slower tempos and the GoGD that really does it for me. Other Rock bands rarely to never even try to go there. Never as successfully as the GoGD. Billy is a in-the-pocket player.

#2001 arrived in WA state, Lists

Funny to see what people don't really enjoy as well haha, the ones that come to my mind are 'Never Trust a Woman', 'Man Smart Women Smarter', and Samson and Delilah. Those are pretty much the only songs I will skip. Though I have heard some nice reggae sounding jams arounf Man Smart Women Smarter, 3-16-90 is an example. DaP 25 arrived this evening here in Washington State, for anyone wondering if they've made it this far yet.

DaP 25 - first listen

As mentioned by others, superb sound quality. Just a real treat to have these shows sound this good. One thing I’ve not heard mentioned is the incredibly dynamic Wharf Rat from this show. This has always been one of my favorites songs but this one is truly unlike any I remember. A tad shaky going back into St. Stephen but this will remain one of my favorites.

My fave Grateful Dead list from last night?....

....sweep it under the rug. I left out so many songs. Now I feel guilty. No Jack Straw? C'mon Vguy. Get it together man.

Jerry Garcia guitar history

Just something to look at... http://dozin.com/jers/guitar/history.htm

Wilfredtjones

Cool post on Jerry’s guitars!

the shipping direction makes

the shipping direction makes no sense. I live in Indiana. it shipped out from Illinois, then to TN (which makes no sense cuz TN and IL don't connect at all so it went through KY as well) then back up to Ohio. it pretty much went through every fucking state around me. instead of going straight from Illinois to Indiana. the u.s. postal service fucks me every which way everytime and doesn't bother to kiss me first....GOD DAMMNIT I HATE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE!

#4404 in Mountain View

Alright i'm convincing myself this is the best Mississippi Uptown i've heard. Wow right out the gate. I went through the first CD, and then decided to bookend it, Mississippi Uptown followed by The Music Never Stopped. Indeed! Got that feeling that i've had at many shows, everything's gonna be alright. Pull all three CDs out, and check out the tree. Warren, there's fresh dry powder for you. Ski on and thank you for the skiing thrills. Slow Dog Noodle, I've skied the bumps like that, kinda happy lazy. Libertycaps, Nice to see your source...dynaco mk III's et al. i'm playin' through some '59 el34 Ampex monoblocs into some same-era Wharfedale SFB-3s. :-) Delivery was first quoted Wednesday next week, then Saturday but the USPS delivered it tonight! My mind was happy to drop work for this...peace to those waiting

Everything's gonna be alright....

....that is/was my safe word also when I get/got too high at shows. It works. Believe me. It works like the Dupree's from Binghamton. They tuned that song all tour and expelled its drippiness that evening in all it's glory. Wonderful! Donna's in tune. The world was alright that night.

Top 50

I guess I'll play along. Like a few others, I cheated a little by including well-known combos as one song: 1) Bird Song 2) Scarlet>Fire 3) Chinacat>Rider 4) Help>Slip>Franklins 5) Brokedown Palace 6) Estimated>Eyes 7) Here Comes Sunshine 8) Stella Blue 9) Loser 10) Jack Straw 11) Morning Dew 12) Wharf Rat 13) Brown Eyed Women 14) Bertha 15) Dark Star 16) Mountains of the Moon 17) Playing in the Band 18) Mississippi Half Step 19) Crazy Fingers 20) Truckin’ 21) The Other One 22) Terrapin 23) Easy Wind 24) Comes a Time 25) Sugaree 26) Black-Throated Wind 27) St. Stephen 28) New Speedway Boogie 29) Sugar Magnolia 30) West LA Fadeaway 31) Dire Wolf 32) U.S. Blues 33) Friend of the Devil 34) Touch of Grey 35) Ripple 36) Black Peter 37) Candyman 38) Throwin’ Stones 39) Shakedown St. 40) Cassidy 41) High Time 42) Alabama Getaway 43) Althea 44) Music Never Stopped 45) Big Railroad Blues 46) Mr. Charlie 47) Weather Report Suite 48) Two Souls in Communion 49) Lost Sailor>Saint of Circumstance 50) Dupree’s Diamond Blues

top two

"Sitting around a tank or two of nitrous oxide one day at Pacific Recording, they all donned earphones and inserted from the tank into their mouths. All sound was fed through multichannel delay, so what ever was said would come back many times." Barbed Wire Whipping Party https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvaUKdwobSg&ab_channel=thewheel73 Oh yeah Stay in the general area (area, area, area) Stay in the general area etc What's the name of his stuff? Meat, meat, gimme my meat Meat, meat, gimme my meat Meat, meat, gimme my meat etc Hello, talk Talk, talk, talk Stay in the general area The barbed wire whipping party in the razor blade forest ?Sweet five me? my fangs could unravel you , mister ?? Give me cold blood, barbed wire, naked on the table, laughing No ? is permitted There's more here than you could choke down in ten thousand years The other day I went to Mars and talked to God And he told me to tell you to hang tight and don't worry 'Cause the solution to everything is death What's Become Of The Baby Aoxomoxoa - Original Mix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6P7eev95es&ab_channel=kengorski Grateful Dead Live at the Electric Theater 4/26/69 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpzPxsPAL0U&ab_channel=Larryal-Shiva Robert Hunter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qew_8Lhg9E0&ab_channel=AlligatorWhine Phil Lesh And Friends 12/17/04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvPdI0USSPk&ab_channel=smolderingmilage Waves of violet go crashing and laughing Rainbow winged singing birds fly round the sun Sunbells rain down in a liquid profusion Mermaids on porpoises draw up the dawn What's become of the baby This cold December morning? Songbirds frozen in their flight drifting to the earth remnants of forgotten dreaming Calling... answer comes there none Go to sleep you child Dream of never ending always Panes of crystal Eyes sparkle like waterfalls lighting the polished ice caverns of Khan But where in the looking-glass fields of illusion wandered the child who was perfect as dawn? What's become of the Baby this cold December morning? Racing rhythms of the sun all the world revolves captured in the eye of Odin Allah Pray where are you now? All Mohammed's men blinded by the sparkling water Sheherazade gathering stories to tell from primal gold fantasy petals that fall But where is the child who played with the sun chimes and chased the cloud sheep to the regions of rhyme? Stranded cries the south wind Lost in the regions of lead Shackled by chains of illusion Delusions of living and dead

Binghamton has "that's IT!" moments galore....

....I bet they were really high. Pulling it all together while letting it all loose at the same time. Amazing. Sounds awesome too. Fuckin' Norman. Doing his Norman wizard magic. I tip my pipe....

Woo Hoo

It made the 3 hour drive from La Vergne in 4 hours 6 min, and is now at the local distribution facility. Just needs to make it to my local post office, onto the truck, into my mailbox, and into my hand before tomorrow night..... Calm down Kyle, your CD was never in IL, it was in TN and is now headed your way. The shipping label was generated in IL and electronically transferred to TN. Speaking of which, ABCD Enterprises is located in IL, and the shipping labels are generated in IL, coincidence......?

#7705 arrives

Good lord, that Mississippi Half Step! Back in the day I had ~600 tapes and '77 was very well represented. But looking over the tour dates now, I realize that I never had any of the shows from November. So this is my first time hearing this Binghamton gig. It's going on 11:00pm and Jack Straw is just underway. It's going to be a long and rip-roaring night! Peace, everybody...

Slow dog noodle

That’s about the only way I can do moguls these days.....my knees are getting old....Powder is so much easier. Ski on Warren.....

This show....

....is nothing like I expected, but everything I wanted it to be. Good night.

Passenger!!

Yow!! a cool slower Passenger!! Number 6444 has landed!! So cool on a Friday night after a big production day. I'm exhausted and just happy with this grate new music. So far just the first set. Maybe this has already been said, Kieth is really up in the mix, almost too much, but he is playing so good so creatively. I'm having a hard time hearing Bobby, maybe needs some EQ. I love all years/periods/keyboards and prefer complete shows although I'll still dig a cool compilation like with road trips. Hey all in deadland, enjoy!!

Day-um!

Really sweet show, great freakin’ sound.

Travis Bean

Jerry was back on Wolf not the Travis, it says in the liner notes. Thank god too, both are nice but that Wolf is something else! LOVE this show! Wharf rat.

Beth and Joe

This just came out yesterday, the whole album is stellar. In the vein of Imelda May and Etta James, but with more grease, and Joe Bonamassa's wicked guitar soloing on every song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHjD_M_0J70 \m/

Thanks Dave L... Mark...Jeffrey...Rhino

Just finished my first listen through... I was at Rochester and Binghamton (Syracuse University grad) and of course that weekend was and always will be my most memorable music event. These releases I say are produced and delivered to us with perfection intended from you guys.. I can't thank you folks enough, with much gratitude, Neil Glotzer, Visalia, California...

When In Rome . . .

"THE PINK FLOYD EXHIBITION: Their Mortal Remains" just re-opened in Rome: https://www.pinkfloydexhibition.com/ Thanks DavidD for the tasty history of What's Become of the Baby? from Aoxomoxoa to PLF. Still digesting the Barbed Wire Whipping Party hors d'oeuvre. Nice to see WBOTB? on a couple of favorites lists. Looks like my Dave's 25 will drop here in west Texas on Monday after pin-balling around the Mail Innovations maze for over a week.

Wolf on 11/6/77?

I don't have mine yet, but I am surpised at the post indicating the liner notes say Jerry played the Wolf at Binghamton. The DP 10 liner notes say he switched over for Tha Winterland show in late December.

return of Wolf

I cannot confirm the veracity of the info. here, but according to this page the return of Wolf was 9/28/77... http://www.dozin.com/jers/guitars/wolf/wolf.htm

DP 25 unopened 4 Sale

I will part with a copy of DP 25 shipped to you for 45 dollars. afperrone@liberty.edu

Just started listening....

Sounds great , great energy. It's so worth it to have these in the best quality possible. We are lucky in that respect, I appreciate the job Dave & Co. are doing! Thanks man!'77 was a great year! Was there a bad show that year? lol

Progress......

Mine departed Mail Innovations enroute to my local post office. I generally get my mail around 7 pm so hopefully it gets on the mail truck today.......Fingers crossed....

Vermont

I got a rock

top 10 w/ some singularly great versions

china>rider 9/2/80help>slip!>franklin's 10/11/77 terrapin 4/25/77 estimated>eyes 7/8/78 (w/ O1 after estimated) bertha 4/19/78 dark star '69 thru '74 playing in the band 1/15/78 uncle john's band 5/19/77 wharf rat 11/14/71 the other one 5/25/77 p.s. my DaP 25 is 'out for delivery' a day early, yay! -edit- there's no way Shakedown or Scarlet>Fire can't be on the top 10 for me, so I'll add those... shakedown 3/24/81 scarlet>fire 2/5/78

Mr. Postman

Wait a minuteMr. Postman (Please Mr. Postman look and see) Oh yeah (If there's a Dave's Pick in your bag for me) Please, please, Mr. Postman (Why's it takin' such a long time) Oh yeah (For me to hear that Band of mine) There must be some word today From Dead.Net so far away Please Mr. Postman look and see If there's a package of CD's for me I've been standin' here Waitin' Mr. Postman so patiently For just a card or just a letter Sayin' DaP25's been sent to me Mister Postman (Mister Postman look and see) Oh yeah (If there's a miracle in your bag for me) Please, please, Mr. Postman (Why's it takin' such a long time) Oh yeah So many days you passed me by See the tears standin' in my eyes You didn't stop to make me feel better By leavin' me a miracle or better Mister Postman (Mister Postman look and see) Oh yeah (If there's a letter in your bag for me) Please, please, Mr. Postman (Why's it takin' such a long time) Why don't you check it and see one more time for me???

"Ten years the waves roll the ships home from the sea"

12.27.80 a beautiful song "If I tell another what your own lips told to me, let me lay 'neath the roses, let my eyes no longer see"

Cover art

Stone-age version of Photoshop and a CD cover scan produced this: https://tinyurl.com/y8n64aco

Dave’s Picks 24 ?

My pc reads the disc’s as Dave’s picks 24 he, he, he I don’t care

9561

...In my hot little hands...that is all

Another high number, 9398

But, who cares? It's here!! :-)

129

Arrived in MT yesterday, just finishing up a first listen this afternoon. Sounds good, some cool slower tempo versions of a few songs with a nice jammy feel, great Scarlet-Fire with a great transition. The whole thing is really hitting the spot for me this afternoon.

Old school

https://i.imgur.com/mcPtYqp.jpg

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Daves picks new artist :)

....check out the new artist for 2018 Daves Picks :) https://www.mcdonaghillustration.com ...I love this lion ! https://static1.squarespace.com/static/595a34a4f5e2318b22723c77/595abcb…

15246

I got mine in Raleigh NC today. I have a question, as this is my first time doing the subscription. Is the bonus disk sent separately (today's delivery was only the 3 disk V25)? And is it one disc for the year, or one bonus for each of the four releases?Thanks

Re: Mr. Postman

iGrateful you definitely deserve a delivery after reworking those lyrics! Hope it reaches you soon.

"UUCowboy2014" , It'll be included with the next release

And with that extra disc, you get a another full show. 5 shows for the price of 4, pretty cool , I'll take it!

Bonus disc

The bonus disc is released with the second volume of the year. This year 11/17/71 is the Pick, with filler from 12/14/71, and the bonus disc completes 12/14. Unknown at this point which set is on which disc, but I'd predict the bonus disc is set 2. Though, if I bought a la carte, and missed out on the second set, I'd be bummed. But it always pays to subscribe!

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