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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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  • LoveJerry
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    You wrote "if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for." with all due respect,Your "argument" makes no sense and has no relevance to the discussion here. By your definition of "perceived value", nothing is worth anything (or everything is worth anything you want it to be). The discussion point here, is that the CD sets here are more valuable if they are no longer available at retail prices. $800 for Fillmore West or whatever the going price is, is not a perceived value it's the actual value. It's no different than the rookie Hank Aaron baseball card. It used to be worth the nickel you paid for the pack of cards, now it's worth much more because it's an old out-of-print collector's item. I think you were waxing Gestalt. Are we really here or do we just think we're here.....snafu's summary of stamp collecting is a good analogy too.
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    Gold has no value?
    Gold is one of the most important natural resources in the Earth. If you don't believe me look of the uses for gold in the sciences, engineering and computer science. Without gold the modern world and its technologies could not and would not exist. At this point in human history gold is invaluable and a limited resource so it will continue to increase in price. Thats why tech companies are looking into gold reclaiming methods from obsolete device. Recycling precious, conductive and non-reactive metals is an up and coming billionaire dollar business in developing nations right now. Unfortunately the poorest of the poor often do the labor and are exposed to toxins,carcinogens, and unsafe working conditions to bring us our electronic toys. Many Americans and "first-world" citizens still ignorantly benefit off the backs of the less fortunate. Its not just our clothes, running shoes, and soccer balls anymore.
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    perceived value: a customer's
    perceived value: a customer's opinion of a product's value to him or her. It may have little or nothing to do with the product's market price, and depends on the product's ability to satisfy his or her needs or requirements.
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    value
    Reading through all these posts makes me glad I invested all my money in tulips. Their value will never go down.
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    Collectors value
    To those who in response to my post on collectors say they never think of the value to other collectors or the market I understand but that just means your not a collector in the way I and most collectors define it. Not good not bad just irrelevant to the post. And to be honest "collectors" can be a little of both. My stamp collecting is 2 things to me. The value is definitely important but since I look at stamps as little works of art especially the older issues they have an aescetic value. As for GD releases it's much the same 1st comes the music but most definitely when I buy it as a ltd ed the collector in me thinks of the value appreciation. Too the younger members here how would you feel if some Michael Jordan special collectors sneaker was suddenly reissued dropping the value of your in the box etc etc sneaker by 75%
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    Economic illiteracy
    It never fails to amaze me the economic illiteracy that's out there and I'm not just talking about posts here. The price something sells for is its value at that moment not perceived. It could change in a day but at the moment of sale it mpst assuredly is worth that. The basis involves many things. The classic where I live is the price of housing. Houses on the peninsula in the Bay Area are starting at 700,000 minimum. I hear usually frpm non homeowners or people from elsewhere they're not wprth that much. Of course that's absurd since if I price something that the market will bare it won't sell, pretty simple. And addressing the perceived perspective they not only continue to rise but even during the worst of the real estate crash they selling prices took a momentary small dip then flattened out and within a year started rising. At each point along the way the price a house sold for eas its real value. Now as I said there are many thing that impact real npt perceived value. You live in an area where the industrial base collapses -detroit- the real value decreases because demand for housing drops because people are leaving. Another cause of real value change are land use laws. In the Bay Area ther are huge areas of the Peninsula where home building is severely restricted raising the value of what's left.If they suddenly passed a law opening that land to full use the real value of ecosting would obviously crash. The pint os real reasons for real value.
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    S'all about the music, y'all!
    I'm one of those old fuddie-duddie Gen X'ers who bought LPs when i was a kid and still enjoys having the "Real McCoy" item. And best retail CD sound quality, of course. If you are happy with lossy streams/mp3's and earbuds then: Good on you. Just so happens CDs sound the best. That's just the way it is. I have plenty of storage space so it's a WIN/WIN. If i was ever financially forced to sell, i'd be chuffed to just break even money wise. In fact i just bought DiP 6 (dunno why i slept on it for so long) which only leaves 27 missing from my Dick's Picks retail collection. And for the poster with all the Hendrix bootlegs: I'm sure you'd do just fine on ebay or discogs if you wanted to resell. (Might have to work fast due to the unlicensed music though.) As long as i keep my good job and good health, i will continue to buy retail CDs. Killer music and vintage audio gear is my life's one true passion. No kids. No wife anymore. No flash car payments. No regrets.
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    Perceived value
    Agreed. It's in the eye of the beholder. I paid $362 shipped to my door for the MAY 1977 2013 Box Set a month or two ago. Pens out to $26 per disc. The package and booklet are GSTL Ltd. Ed. level too. The shows all have that lovely, aquatic/lyseric jazzy cool Betty Board reverb that just does it for me and my Genalex Gold Lion KT88 output tubes. Def my fave era of the band. It's like they were listening to alot of Steely Dan and/or chasing the Dragon in the tour bus between that run of shows. (That's a good thing imho, Lols.)
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    In case you were wondering....
    ....I didn't sell a puck. "A" puck sold for that.
  • kyleharmon
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    well liberty caps they really
    well liberty caps they really aren't worth 60 bucks a disc. or any other limited product sold on ebay for that matter. they are sold at "perceived value" which is different from the actual value of a product. gold is worthless it serves no purpose. but because people want it cuz other people want it, It has "perceived value" and its expensive. so I mean if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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25 won't arrive in Santa Cruz until Monday night, so I'm keeping myself occupied with all the Dark Stars I have from 1968. Also reading Phil Proctor's autobiography, Where's My Fortune Cookie? Paperback – December 27, 2017. If you're a Firehead this is required reading. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/138970503X/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_… Ran across this streaming link - A Banjo Lesson With Jerry Garcia? Listen to This Tape from 1964 http://tomorrowsverse.com/story/a-banjo-lesson-with-jerry-garcia-listen…
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It is 1 bonus disk for the whole year. I believe it comes with DP26. Enjoy, I just got mine today, this show is a rager!
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You may need to get in touch with Dr. Rhino about getting a replacement disc.
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3400 has arrived in Philly. It's 12:53AM in Philly I'll spin this one, one day during the week. happy One More Saturday Night.
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....I sense it. Loping Dead. I like this show a lot. It grooves so elegantly. They are lit, gooey goodness. Billy needs a light Candace!!Definitely a different vibe than Hamilton. Amazeballs that a band can switch up the mood from show to show like they do. Dumbfounding at times.
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Glad you are all getting yours.This years sub has been a righteous pain from get go, paid by pay pal, but never received a confirmation that my sub was registered. Many, many interventions from Marye, Doc Rhino and Daniel, some contradictory correspondence,finally assurance that my sub was active, was even able to check order status once, but now my order status comes up blank and no confirmation mail of sending, so once again Marye is on the job pestering Doc Rhino, I fear that even if this works out finally, it will be the same story next time round, and the next time and the..... I really am fedup with the constant snafus, site crashes when trying to order, waiting for the Anthem and next box news, if ordering next time is also a problem then Im giving up. Off the bus after 51 years?
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did you hear that just now? That point in the instrumental jam where time stopped, and you witnessed Buddha (or whomever) conducting the flow of music in real time, and you tapping your feet in unison, completely in the moment, amazed at what you are hearing? How about the lyrics in that song which just took on a much deeper meaning for you, kind of an "ah hah!" moment," because of where you are and what you are going through in your life right now? That's the Grateful Dead, my friend ;) If you are here on this board (even just lurking), and know what I'm talking about, you are a member of the Brotherhood/Sisterhood. No further bona fides necessary... All are welcome...who have eyes to see, and ears to hear. Peace, all.
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The wife just got Sirius in her car as of yesterday, and she and I spent the whole day driving around this great state of ours visiting family, listening to Grateful Dead Radio, along with others stations. Anyways, I didn't catch the Jack Straw from last night's broadcast of 5/12/80, but I was thinking of that 2nd set He's Gone when I woke up this morning. That is a hell of a performance. Here's my Top 3, which are more or less set in stone... Truckin' Playin' He's Gone Nearly every other song is tied for 4th, depending on the situation/performance/day of the week. Peace
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Not sure why I torture myself by attempting to track these thing until they hit my mailbox, just not a very patient person these days I suppose. Looks like my copy was within 20 mins of my address in Philly as of yesterday and has now apparently been sent back out to 2 hours away in Jersey City. I would love it if shipping were UPS the whole way.
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Mine is sitting about 2 miles away at the post office.It being Sunday........ We’re gonna miracle you and make a special Sunday delivery.....
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Did you ever receive a confirmation email for your subscription?If so that’s your receipt/proof of purchase. Other people have previously complained about issues with using Pay Pal.
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Spot on-that's as good a description of getting turned on by The Dead that I have read. It can happen in the unlikeliest places, during the unlikeliest songs, too. But a few never seem to fail. As I am typing, I am listening to the jam between China Cat and I Know You Rider from Newcastle 11th April 1972. One of countless brilliant versions played between 1972-1974. These two songs and the interlocking jam encompass almost everything I love about the band. The whole of this first set in Newcastle is pretty good actually-Tennessee Jed a few songs ago, was superb. And this jam, towards the end of I know You Rider..amazing!
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I don't know why its so much harder ordering cds from this site than it is from any other. I cant seem to order anything from my laptop at home. If I want anything, I have to walk into town, and use one of the computers in the library. Which is alright, but I am sure I would order more if it wasn't so difficult. Impulse buys are not an option for me-which may be a good thing. I would probably have ordered the 1989 box set one of these evenings if I could have done so from the comfort of my own home.
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Wow I can’t believe how good this is. The sound is pristine, stellar. The playing is muscular, fierce and not sloppy in the least bit. It rocks hard yet they are able to effortlessly shift the dynamics down to lay it down easy when the tunes call for it. I love DP 34 and Dap12 but this seems a bit above those in overall consistency. Is it something about stepping it up a couple notches to end a particular run? I’m really not sure. They are just so damned dialed in. I did a double take when they went from Mexicali into Me and my Uncle as if someone just pushed a hyperspace button to transport them in a flash yet right on the beat. In November I had some really annoying ordering issues that I have never previously had. Was forced to use PayPal and it finally went through. Also read a bunch of postings groaning about another 77 release and I was almost convinced that perhaps Dave keeps going back to the well too often. But hearing is believing. So glad to have this.
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No,never received the confirmation mail;that was the issue which started this whole palava, Danial said multiple times he would send one, never arrived, though at one point he said that our correspondence constituted a confirmation, and that my order was processing, I got an order number which allowed me just once to check order status, but as I said it just shows up blank these last weeks.Dave Rock noted that he has problems placing orders via laptop, I only use a pad, maybe thats the issue here. But in Marye we trust! Thanks for your concern!
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I think it’s a browser/cookies issue most of the time. Not including times when the site is overwhelmed by everyone trying to order at the same time.I’ve experienced issues where I put something in the cart and go to checkout then it says that there is nothing in my cart. But, in the upper right corner the cart symbol shows a 1 in the cart and clicking on that then moves the process forward. I think that a lot of people have experienced that and got frustrated when it said there was nothing in their cart, without seeing the 1 in the small cart icon. So, always check the little cart icon. Also try other browsers, and allowing cookies. Hope that helps. Don’t have my DaP 25 yet but I know the show smokes because I had it on cassette years ago, then on CD-R. Looking forward to the Full Norman. For this rainy Sunday I’m doing some Pink Floyd from their Boxzilla: stereo remix of Pompeii, then remastered Obscurred By Clouds, now the ‘71 offering.
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If you got an order number I would have to say that you deserve the subscription.But if your PayPal never got charged then you might have an uphill battle.
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Oh yes the payment was taken immediately!
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You absolutely are owed a subscription. Hopefully it gets straightened out this round so you don’t have any more issues during the next 3 rounds. As for Daverock’s ordering problem, he lives in the UK so his internet traffic runs on the wrong side of the internet. The computer he uses at the library has one of those Elon Musk internet inverters which gets things running on the correct side. ;)
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Im in Sweden, we changed sides in 1967! a week after I first heard about the Grateful Dead in an english pop music paper in connection with a review of Monterey and the SF sound.Sweden therefore showing immense foresight and thus avoiding the wrong side of the net, long before the net was a twinkle in somebodys eye. Spooky.
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The primary issue when new releases go on sale is the sheer volume of traffic right away. Everyone knows the good stuff will sell out so they all try to get a buy on ASAP. I know I do. And their servers can't handle the traffic, this isn't amazon after all, just some crappy little server in a back room with some stoner monitoring it, munching chips and Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. When the 2018 Dave's sub went on sale, I spent the usual first couple hours getting kicked out, frozen, re-starting etc. until finally a purchase appeared to go through via PayPal. PayPal logged the purchase but I never got a damn thing from dead.net or Warner/Atlantic. In a panic, I purchased a second subscription a day or two later for insurance, this time using my debit card. This one hit right away (initial web traffic having fallen off), and I got the confirmation quickly after. I finally sent dead.net a note asking if I had one or two purchases, days later I got confirmations for both. I only need one not being a re-seller, so they kindly canceled one and let the other stand. I was still kind of holding my breath until #8738 arrived Friday afternoon. Great listening; nearly perfect first set (I could do without, 'Passenger.')
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Dave’s Picks Volume 25 snuck in late yesterday afternoon. The cover art links copperdomebodhi and others posted are good, but if you need a higher-res, color-corrected version, here’s an option. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5j3i9osr23jg5r6/Dave%27s%2025%20SQUARE%20FINA… Great color on this one, but color-matching was crazy thanks to Tim McDonagh’s closely analogous color palette. I made scans of both CD Cover and Booklet (each is cropped slightly differently) and combined the two so that all of the artwork's included. I then extended the top and bottom to “square” the image (some of us like square format for itunes, phones, etc.) Hope you enjoy. Please pass around as needed. Hope those order snafus get sorted out fast! Hang in there Tony.
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Hey, P. Fox -- the Scarlet/Fire from this show routinely gets hammered as sub-par due to its flubs, particularly the fact that Jerry trips on the lyrics each time he opens his mouth during "Fire". Personally, it doesn't phase me (hard to find any show where a lyric or two didn't get forgotten or butchered). The overall vibe and Jerry's solos more than make up for it to my ears.
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yeah. that's kind of what i thought as well. the music was tight. it was just the lyrics that were botched. ----
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it has its moments, yes. fun, too. I just..."can't explain" ("can't explain"). no complaints, though. it just feels like they could have energized some parts of it even more, taken it farther...whatever. the Scarlet has always made me want to crawl out of my skin ("get on with it!") goodies: Half Step transition from Mexi > M&MU Duprees Passenger Dire Wolf Truckin', of course. tasty
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I have had the chance to listen about 4 times all the way through so far. I like this show quite a bit. It has some great moments and is a very solid overall show. The first set was amazing. Really like the Mississippi to start things off. The second set is great as well. Some tasty treats in there. Overall, great pick Dave! Good start to the 2018 subscription.
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I’m a little late but wanted to comment about a week ago in that there should be more clubs in school at expense of sports. While I think more math clubs would be good. ... I am finding my pre teen kids involvement in lots of sports to be teaching them very valuable life lessons about getting along with other kids, working with others, building confidence, etc. I originallySigned them up for sports cuz I love sports but the benefits they have obtained have been great ! Plus having worked in corporate America I see how valuable these inter personal skills. Just an opinion from a math geek ... I’m a cpa
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....as to why the Scarlet->Fire was flubbed? High. As. Fuck. Simple. Newsflash. The Grateful Dead did a lot of drugs....it gets so quiet during the the transition, I thought they were playing in a library. Sounds good to me....
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As are sports. As is music. That dude who was complaining about geeks somehow being maligned was way off base.
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Sound quality on this release is fantastic! Perfectly mixed levels of all the instruments. Crazy good. I agree with others you can tell Mr. Garcia partook of a few party favors between sets and the Scarlet > Fire while flubbed is absolutely drippingly psychedelic and brilliant on a very sublime level. Jerry is tuned into his guitar this entire night. So many highlights mentioned already. I will add Minglewood is on fire(!) and the drum intro into NFA is long and tribal. Lots of fun banter these last few shows of 1977. Love this one. Thanks Dave keep them coming! I am feeling '73 or '89 for #27. We shall see...
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Got mine in Denver on Friday. Listening through for the second time now. That first set doesn't blow me away on paper but its a scorcher. Love the Halfstep and Jack Straw to open the show and that transition from Mexicali to Me & My Uncle is a thing of beauty. Second set is awesome too, I dig the unique Scarlet/Fire and everything from St Stephen through to the end is top notch. GREAT SHOW!
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Was anyone questioning why the lyrics were flubbed? I thought we were all just generally acknowledging how solid the Scarlet/Fire is in spite of the flubs. Though I may have missed a post in the scroll, speed-reader that I am. But thanks for the newsflash on the copious amounts of drugs. 'Cause, you know, I would never have guessed that to be the case.
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This show is a lot of fun with a lot of very intense moments but it has quite a few sloppy moments as well. Really interesting to see how different this show is just from the night before. 11/5/77 is very solid, in my opinion, but doesn't quite reach the same peaks. I can deal with the slop though, especially when the energy level is through the roof, but the one moment that really makes me cringe is the end of TMNS...not the best way to end the set. Highlights for me are Mississippi Half-Step, Passenger, & Wharf Rat. Passenger isn't one that usually stands out for me but this is one of the more solid moments in the show. Also nice to hear the rare Dupree's Diamond Blues. Wharf Rat was just absolutely mind blowing and the St Stephen coda was really surprising.
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I have to agree this show cranks, Playin>Wheel>Playing to end first set, simply incredible! The show is full of banter, some miscues, glitches, but played Raw and energetic, isn't that why We all loved these types of Shows! This show or 6-4-78 Next!
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What was wrong with the music never stops? I thought the ending sounded great.
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hello all,I opened my volume 25, put disc 1 in and Half step skips in a few places. There are no scratches or anything? It jumps 2-5 seconds a few times. This is the only song that has the problem. I also tried playing in two different players and get the same outcome. I contacted CS, but was wondering if anyone else is having a problem? John
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I'm with you on this one Porterhouse. I hope this show was one of the recovered Bettys. We've been fortunate enough to get so many 1977 shows I feel that I don't need anymore at the moment except for this one. With any luck, this will be the next 1977 show to hit our mailbox. The Slipknot is absolutely Epic. My favorite. It's an all Jerry extravaganza. I don't know of any others where he is as loud has this one and where he goes on for as long as he does on this one. There's also a great funky Phil ending I'm sure you know toEyes of the World. The Terrapin Station is also a little different and good. It ranks very high on Heady Version.
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2/26/77 is indeed amazing. I have to check the sound quality of my copy but I think it’s pretty good if I remember correctly. May need to revisit later this week after (presumably) listening to the new Dave’s Picks a few times. While we’re at it, can we get 3/18 as well? Also one of my favorites from that year. Thin and others have mentioned 10/29 from time to time and with good reason. That might be a candidate for show of the year. I guess my point is, despite the wealth of shows released from 1977, the well won’t be dry for quite some time which makes me incredibly happy to think about. EDIT: And while I'm daydreaming, can we have 9/29 and 10/2 too?
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I'm talking about the end...where it gets sloppy. I don't know who missed the queue, but the drums just start going full force and they aren't matched up. If it doesn't bother you, rock on.
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....never thought this show was a top 5 1977 show. BUT the first set is so damn good. The transition from MB>MAMU is just jaw dropping and FOTD is better than most. The Mississippi is just insane..............The 2nd set is good but not great...until that monster Truckin' drops. The sound quality is fantastic..as for 2-26-77....yes please. Hoping for a 74 box this year........but will be happy with whatever the fates give me. peace
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Can somebody clear something up for me? The liner notes on DP 25 note that Healy has the recording “dialed in.” But the credits say the recording is by Betty. Which is it? Or is it both? If so, why isn’t Healy’s name on the credits. Am I missing something.Have yet to play, but I’ve been listening to the SB on archive.org for years. Hot show in the home town of McIntosh Labs.
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The liner notes you seem to refer to say, "Healy had the joint completely dialed in". Presumably referring to the sound in the Arena. Betty did her own recordings, which she dialed in for tape, not the room.
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