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    A little non Dead advice from the musical world
    It's amazing to me that no one is up in arms protesting the choices of governments recently politicians are suposed to be civil servents, not CEOs, but today I see little difference. Both award themseleves bonuses and raises while the average citizen watches their standard of living go backwards. I know things are bad all over and much worse in the non developed world. I just hear so much frustration, I am so frustrated, yet not enough of us are willing to rise up and shout and hold our elected civil servents accountable. Okay enough of my ranting, there are those out there that can do it much better...and here I give you lyrics by Crass. Some of the references are dated, but the message still applies: (Note: I do not endorse all sentiments expressed in this song, but the overall message of personal responsibility always makes me think...and most often feel guilty I'm not doing more) Big A, little A, bouncing B The system might have got you but it won't get me 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 External control are you gonna let them get you? Do you wanna be a prisoner in the boundaries they set you? You say you want to be yourself, by christ do you think they'll let you? They're out to get you get you get you get you get you get you get you Hello, hello, hello, this is the Lord God, can you hear? Hellfire and damnation's what I've got for you down there On earth I have ambassadors, archbishop, vicar, pope We'll blind you with morality, you'd best abandon any hope, We're telling you you'd better pray cos you were born in sin Right from the start we'll build a cell and then we'll lock you in We sit in holy judgement condemning those that stray We offer our forgiveness, but first we'll make you pay External control are you gonna let them get you? Do you wanna be a prisoner in the boundaries they set you? You say you want to be yourself, by christ do you think they'll let you? They're out to get you get you get you get you get you get you get you Hello, hello, hello, now here's a massage from your queen As figurehead of the status quo I set the social scene I'm most concerned about my people, I want to give them peace So I'm making sure they stay in line with my army and police My prisons and my mental homes have ever open doors For those amongst my subjects who dare to ask for more Unruliness and disrespect are things I can't allow So I'll see the peasants grovel if they refuse to bow External control are you gonna let them get you? Do you wanna be a prisoner in the boundaries they set you? You say you want to be yourself, by christ do you think they'll let you? They're out to get you get you get you get you get you get you get you Introducing the Prime Sinister, she's a mother to us all Like the dutch boy's finger in the dyke her arse is in the wall Holding back the future waiting for the seas to part If Moses did it with is faith, she'll do it with an army Who at times of threatened crisis are certain to be there Guarding national heritage no matter what or where Palaces for kings and queens, mansions for the rich Protection for the wealthy, defence of privilege They've learnt the ropes In Ireland, engaged in civil war Fighting for the ruling classes in their battle against the poor So Ireland's just an island? It's an island of the mind Great Britain? Future? Bollocks, you'd better look behind Round every other corner stands P.C. 1984 Guardian of the future, he'll implement the law He's there as a grim reminder that no matter what you do Big brothers system's always there with his beady eyes on you From God to local bobby, in home and street and school They've got your name and number while you've just got their rule We've got to look for methods to undermine those powers It's time to change the tables. The future must be ours Big A, little A, bouncing B The system might have got you but it won't get me Be exactly who you want to be, do what you want to do I am he and she is she but you're the only you No one else has got your eyes, can see the things you see It's up to you to change your life and my life's up to me The problems that you suffer from are problems that you make The shit we have to climb through is the shit we choose to take If you don't like the life you live, change it now it's yours Nothing has effects if you don't recognise the cause If the programme's not the one you want, get up, turn off the set It's only you that can decide what life you're gonna get If you don't like religion you can be the antichrist If your tired of politics you can be an anarchist But no one ever changed the church by pulling down a steeple And you'll never change the system by bombing number ten Systems just aren't made of bricks they're mostly made of people You may send them into hiding, but they'll be back again If you don't like the rules they make, refuse to play their game If you don't want to be a number, don't give them your name If you don't want to be caught out, refuse to hear their question Silence is a virtue, use it for your own protection They'll try to make you play their game, refuse to show your face If you don't want to be beaten down, refuse to join their race Be exactly who you want to be, do what you want to do I am he and she is she but you're they only you
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    Hey GRTD
    Your link doesn't work. I saw part of the Ventura interview. He does have balls but he is hard to take seriously. There is nobody out there willing to take on the lobbyists. Arguing about which Dem. Repub. for presient makes me want to vomit Fuck official Washington - they are Romans waiting for Rome to burn. Which it obviously will. S&P is thinking of lowering the US Government's bond rating from AAA+. Talk about all down hill from here!!
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    As much as I love dissen the RepubliCONs:We enter a kitchen in middle America. The family is gathered around the kitchen table. An old woman is crying over a pile of medical bills. Her Son and his wife try to comfort her. On the TV Sen. Bohner rails against Medicare and Social Security. Her 5yo grandson speaks, " Daddy why is the Mean Orange man trying to Kill Gramdma? " Any real news about some Northwest dates before the rain comes back in Sept? Like in August?? We are beginning to feel left out . I can't do the June 3.4 Shoreline shows as my Wife will be in the Hospital Actually it's still raining here and has made it to a blistering 44 deg today 423shows and counting. The Bus came by and I got on a Long strange time ago
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    What does everyone think of the Dapper Don's Presidential motivations? My take is; same old song and dance... just a different hairdoo. Of all the political items I've seen lately on TV; the Jesse Ventura interview on CNN a few weeks back takes the cake for balls. Way to go Jesse! I'll vote for you if you run! "What's gonna happen to the arms industry when we realize that we're all one?" ~ Bill Hicks
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    Presidential Library for Wolfbat's tapes?
    Slated for the bottom of the largest copper pit in Butte, Montana ~ Please don't dominate the rap jack If you got nothin' new to say ~
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    I'm confused........
    Actually I've been confused since 1974......isnt Richard Nixon still president of the united states?[I wanted to ask him if he would trade me a tape]
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    The Red River always gets my attention...
    ....every year Ted. I knew this was going to be a big year but are you sure that it's cresting 38-39 feet ABOVE flood stage above Fargo? (Checking) "FARGO – The Red River crested in Fargo-Moorhead at 38.75 feet at about 6:15 p.m. Saturday, according to the National Weather Service. Meanwhile, widespread breakout flooding Sunday was causing the highest flood levels ever seen in northeastern Cass County and northwestern Clay County, the Weather Service said. Saturday’s crest in the metro area ranks the 2011 flood as the fourth highest on record behind 1897 (39.10); 1997 (39.72) and 2009 (40.84). Since cresting Saturday, the river has been slowly falling in the Fargo area and Sunday’s rainfall, just under three-quarters of an inch by 10:30 p.m., was not expected to push the river back to crest level. However, the river will remain high for many days and it is not expected to fall below 36 feet before Sunday" It is great news that Fargo made it over the hump this year. The city had made a comeback and that ain't no small thing for a Dakota plains town. I really wish those people the very best as well as those downstream. It never ends in Fargo, just makes the biggest headlines there. It would seem that the figures sighted are official crest of the river, not the number of feet above flood stage. 38 feet above flood stage would be biblical. ~ Wake of the flood, laughing water, forty nine Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreaming, get out the way Get out the way ~
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    After a marathon winter in North Dakota and Minnesota, the north-flowing Red River is cresting 38' or 39' above flood stage, inundating communities north of Fargo. Sandbags and levees may not be plentiful or strong enough to hold back the water. Feds are off to work this morning after a shutdown was averted with an 11th hour agreement Friday night. Let's see what tomorrow brings, eh? Did another tremblor hit Japan this morning???
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    I appreciate your mental picture of me with patches and pipe. Slightly different life path, that could have been me, for sure. And I AM moderately reasonable, within reason...
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    Can we set up the gallows and hang Boehner, Cantor, Reid and Pelosi right now? While the cherry blossoms are in bloom? In front of the Lincoln Memorial?
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When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.
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...in this great kingdom. So many simple kindnesses between the coasts amongst neighbors. Sure, there the usual problems that everybody sees in the newspaper and has to mourn as the Death route passes from the church to the graveyard to bury the soldier. But the kindnesses of Middle Americans to each other more than make up for the bad news they only are a tiny cog of. They have bake sales to put on and basketball tournaments and none of the stuff we all struggle with has any any reality in, say, Wichita Falls, Texas or Topeka, Kansas. It feels so goof that we can go there if things start to burn on the immoral costs. In the Midwest folks were brought up right, always going to church on Sunday after the baseball game Saturday night. Middle America is truly magic, a place you wouldn't dare steal the pie cooling of the kitchen window.
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Wish I could spell or flesh out a coherent idea lately. Glad for the Chileans. This might be the end.... "I'm an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill" "Drop the bob. Exterminate them all! Entitled: An Afghanistanlpytic Redux
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are getting out, free at last. One by one! Hope the one poor mimer sorts out the wife/girlfriend situation, the monkeys bring them the beer they deserve, and their lives are happy ever after.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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The rescuer has descended into the mine and is about to load one miner into the capsule: gosh, I hope each rescue works out flawlessly. Pictures down below make it look really warm, as the miners are wearing very little clothing. All look clean, healthy and ready to move up the shaft.
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hope the shock of being rescued isn't too much for them.
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they are wearing some kind of eye protection gear,seven of them out so far so all going well one of the mimers isnt that keen to be rescued as both his wife and mistress are up there waiting on him lol.
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they've never been so happy to get shafted in their lives! Conversation is always more interesting than recitation, so speak your mind and not someone else's.
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A pamphlet published in 1916 by an outspoken advocate for Liberty, WilliamJ. H. Boetcker. "The Ten Cannots," "You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income. You cannot establish security on borrowed money. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves."
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There's always these (thank you George Orwell): WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH Isn't the third one the Fox News motto?
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of there dark hollow and strangely when sunlight hit they all became very vocal and are no longer addicted to miming.The chilean goverment are now trying this method for other forms of addiction. Gimme a little light.
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....what's the betting he was one of the rich, privileged and strong? It's not often the poor, downtrodden and weak that come up with that kind of stuff. Reminds me of the old joke Rich man to poor man (in patronising voice) 'Money doesn't make always make you happy, you know' Poor man to rich man 'Maybe so, but I'm prepared to take that risk!'
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Isn't that stuff pure, classic, Libertarianism (not up on my isms)? Doesn't matter the label, there are plenty of incidents in history where the poor HAD TO rise up and take it away from the rich or starve. Like the coal miners in Kentucky. The War Bonus Marchers. Etc., etc., etc. For me it's a given that the downtrodden will have to fight for every inch. But the thing that gets me the most are the rich man's hired guns. Yeah, they have to feed their family too, but they do the greatest disservice to the working man and in the end it is always the Pinkertons or whomever turning tail and running away that wins the day for the little guy. Surely there is a way of compromise where simply humanity is enough qualification for the least things in life (including education) while those with backbone and ideas and capital are are made to pay a greater tax that is in no way commensurate with the far greater wage. The way it is now I expect looting to break out in major cities on a vast scale within 5 years with banks making up their own foreclosure papers and judges (who ought to be jailed for 180 days for each instance) signing those bloody papers.
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yet there are those that want to be handed everything, rather than earn it, those that are not willing to save, but live beyond their means, those that look at someone who has worked hard for everything they have, and say "hey that's mine, you must have stolen it". The list I posted is NOT all inclusive. In turn I say, if you have more than you need, share with those that don't, not because some law says you must, but because it's the right thing to do. If someone needs help, give it freely. If someone knows not how, teach them. If someone absolutely CAN'T do for themselves help them because that could be you. If people work for you, pay them a decent wage and don't turn them away because they may be "too old" or are handicapped. It all boils down to common decency. And if someone DOES help you be sure to be thankful and help others when you can.
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some of them are politicians. I don't have a pot to piss in, but I share what I have. If the Government wants me to give more, maybe the legislature could take a cut in pay first, they sure as hell can afford it.
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...and hope it come true. In the meantime I'll study Gandhi and Saul Alinsky and Jerry Ruben and many other nonviolent radicals for a way toward change. My main point was: Why can't we have a dividing line between $20,000 and $20,000,000 for the slackers and the talented? I mean, it's almost that way now you just can't call it that -- you might be -- gasp, labled... *** A SOCIALIST *** (Gor forbid!)
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the common decency thing helping others and sharing is the way i live my life some times peoples take advantage but its good for my karma and i sleep well at night
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...except I yet to see it in the microcosm up here in Vt, (not that you can't anywhere else like Tacoma) where 18 year old crackheads try really hard to get knocked up so they can get a an AFDC payment, food stamps and housing assistance (among many other programs) that go to wed and unwed mothers. It's an unbelievable welfare culture, all the more so in a town that is the county seat and jail facility where a revolving door exists. I do support feeding one baby who has none to eat among 1000 who have enough. It's just the sight of the mother pulling the stroller up to the convenience store to buy a pack of cigarettes that gets to me. What would Jesus say? Never mind Buddha -- it is such a luxury we have in our society that we are about to lose and find in an avalanche of heartbreak hurtling down our heartstrings. It coming, make no mistake.
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To all those witty conversations with those like-minded and the talk that was teasured in that it made me think, thank you everybody. I'm moving on (really), but think I'll stop by here again every now and then (no cause).. Thanks a million everybody!!! ~ I heard some say "better run away" Others say "better stand still"
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I think I'm enjoying the ride! Be good Gonzo as you boogie along the speedway of life. Take along some Neil Young and Frank Zappa tunes and say "HI" when you can, revealing where you've been!
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hope my wiseass hasn't contributed to your leaving us, please come back soon!!!
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its been grate reading your posts and sharing etc come back soon be well...........
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oh nooooooooo Gonzo! We need you here for your fascinating topics and insights. Hope you come back from time to time, and have a good life journey in the meantime. ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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come back soon, the place won't be the same without you!
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Our Geeky McSquare delivered a 4lb10oz baby girl yesterday! Mother and baby are doing OK, and I saw the 1st photo on FB. Gorgeous little thing!! Baby McSquare is still unnamed, as far as I know. Wish Mama and Baby all the best in the world.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Why can't we just name it Baby McSqaure? Sweet...kind vibes and loving to Ms. McSqaure...Love you darlin"♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥~♥ Twirly Banner
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to the world baby mcsquare and much love to ya geeky
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I go away for a few days, come back and Gonzo's gone? Say it ain't so!!!
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gratefaldean sure he will be back soon hope you had a nice few days away.
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The Giants are in the playoffs! Good luck playing an excellent Phillies team: wish I could be there & feel the home crowd energy ...Last time the Giants won the World Series ? ..... over the Cleveland Indians in 1954. SF didn't quite make it, in 1989, over the A's.... The 49'rs finally won a game, over the rowdy Raiders, no less!
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to the Geeky family!
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is not relevant to this thread or news to anyone but the amount of spam we are getting in our forums is really getting me down im trying desperatly to ignore them but come give us a break we are hippies we dont want replica watches and i personally do not need a prom dress could you all please go away and leave us in peace.
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marye works hard trying to delete this knuckahaids , ripple....but they are bound to slip through. Not much we can really do about it, bro......
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Quite a few spammer posts, starting at > NEW East Coast Furthur Shows Announced offering deals on Prom dresses. Isn't it a bit early in the school year to look for a dress? Hey, how about those Giants, and Rangers!!?
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I want one! :-)********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Will there be cookies provided for spectators?....Badger, can I sleep on your lawn?
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if you mean that pile of rocks with a few weeds sticking out ..sure jm feel free. But you might prefer the guest room :-)
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off to smite the prom queens.
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maybe he'd like that CB! to float on a rubber raft in your pond.********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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we have a finalist... Going through and nuking the hordes who arrived since I called it a night last night, I come across one who's apparently in Nottingham in the UK, and in the business of promoting local establishments that provide facials. That's the theory anyway. What makes me doubtful that he will succeed in this endeavor is that he chose the screen name... facialsnott which I just don't see as calculated to drive beauty-seeking hordes to his clients.
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heeheeee!!......facialsnott.....oh dear....
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facialsnott is providing a service to permantly remove facialsnott
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anyone allowed to enter this tour de france if so i am there,and do you supply the rubber rafts cb?
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Interesting route, CB: Whadya think: travel with a tent and set up shop in Saint Flour, leap-frogging down thru the Pyrenees and up to St Paul-Trois-Chateux? Starting up in the NW corner is a different twist (Normandy?)I'll have to begin studying mode of transportation choices. Wonder if Lance and Alberto will be racing?
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I'd invite everyone to the rally next week in DC but I'll be on a Phishing trip that weekend. I don't think I'd be qualified for the 1st version (Sanity) in any event. I'm still pissed at Jon Stewart for his remarks about Phil's underwear, blotter acid and the Blues for Allah tour anyway - hahahaha! I'd make a darn fine addition to Mr. Colbert's army of un-dead (Fear) though. Perhaps I could bi-locate... this one time? "We are turning into a nation of whimpering slaves to Fear—fear of war, fear of poverty, fear of random terrorism, fear of getting down-sized or fired because of the plunging economy, fear of getting evicted for bad debts or suddenly getting locked up in a military detention camp on vague charges of being a Terrorist sympathizer." ~ Hunter S. Thompson