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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • UncleJon
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    Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .
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    you can have WAV discs with itunes
    Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree
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    i agree....
    for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    I hav`nt noticed difference
    in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..
  • fluffhead042
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    I recommend...
    switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Charlie Miller is the man for sure. Motivates me to try taping.. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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too, would like to say thanks, Badger - I'm not sure whether the reference to the first thing he does with his tapes he's going to remaster is make sure the pitch is correct or not is a dig ... " Where does the time go? "
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too, would like to say thanks, Badger - I'm not sure whether the reference to the first thing he does with his tapes he's going to remaster is make sure the pitch is correct or not is a dig ... " Where does the time go? "
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too, would like to say thanks, Badger - I'm not sure whether the reference to the first thing he does with his tapes he's going to remaster is make sure the pitch is correct or not is a dig ... " Where does the time go? "
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Deadicated, I interpreted it as a clear dig. I have to admit though, to my unsophisticated ears, there is no difference! "That path is for, your steps alone."
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Did you know that some of the music we've been listening to for a loooong time and love dearly is in need of pitch correction? "Layla", "Europe '72" and "Kind of Blue". (Actually, "Kind of Blue" was pitch corrected in the early '90's. They had to use a back-up machine to record the first few numbers and it was running hot so they finally fixed them). But wouldn't it be cool if Sr. Miller were to work for the Dead in an official capacity? " Where does the time go? "
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Same here. If you need to recover put out a list and I will send you what I have.EJJD GD is all out there but Beatles loss is terrible. "You can't go back and you can't stand still"
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Null sweat, you know. Easy come easy go. I'm not even sure I know of everything that is on the drive. Besides, I'm not giving up yet. I have been reading up on bypassing write protected drives. Its a shame when you have to hack into your own stuff, you know! I will definitely look you guys up if I trash the thing : )
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I had to share this with the vineyard - check out this you tube video of these kids - ages 12-17 that do an incredible job on Help on the Way-Franklin's Tower. Absolutely incredible! The kid who plays Jerry's lead is only 12 and he is NAILS!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNnIoSMn4Q&feature=related Go SF Giants! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Is there interest in a best of JGB 76 vine? I'd do it in parts, probably 2 (have gone through half the shows and have enough for a part 1 so far). It would be SHN/FLAC and WAV, with me converting and burning 1 show and each of the first 3 people to sign up converting and burning a show each. I hope there is interest as there are some pretty hot shows.
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Would be sweet dstache! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Don't get too excited, you're getting these shows to complete our trade. :)
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But still am glad that you are starting a vine for everyone else =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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all you folks out there with some large collections, do you think we could see some 1981? There really isn't much still circulating here in the yard, and I just came across a couple high-energy shows from the spring '81 tour. ( I would like to get them out there in the yard, but need to check the Vinedex.)Just a thought if anyone out there has some, I'm for sure one interested person, either for vine or trade.....
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Tell me what '81 you want... and I'll do my best to get them out there.... Raymond
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Oh yeah I have a ton of 81. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Well, since you asked, here are the early 81 shows, and sources, that I would LOVE to see vined: If you can pick only 8: 3/9 Miller SBD 3/10 rolfe.miller.95276 and the set2 SBD 3/20 vernon,9198 3/21 sbd.clugston.6666 3/23 weiskircher.32145 3/24 weiskircher-vernon.10308 5/1 sbd.hinko.29087 5/5 mow.ford.28356 If you can do 8 more: 3/5 either the Wise or GEMS AUD and the set2 SBD 3/6 either the Wise or GEMS AUD and the set2 SBD 3/12 rolfe.miller.95259 3/13 wagner.miller.90455 3/14 rolfe.miller.95288 5/2 sbd.miller.30152 5/4 milner.ford.90454 5/17 either the Munder or mow.ford AUD These are all shows that I do not have. I selected the sources after taking a quick listen to various sources on archive. 81 isn't the best year for SBDs (I thought some of the AUDs definitely sounded better) but I went with the Miller SBD when available. Thanks guys if you have these shows and vine them, even if they aren't my preferred source (it was cursory research so I could be wrong, here and there at least) :)
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From your list I have: 3/9 sbd.miller 3/13 all.aud.rolfe and a sbd for set 2 3/20 GEMS.sbd 5/1 sbd.miller And Maustin - I have started a few 81 vines (like 3 maybe?) in the past. Do you know if they are stalled or not? I guess I can do some searching and check on their status. I also have a bunch of stuff from the fall. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Sounds good, jsfc. The 5/1 Miller is a remaster of the SBD I listed (I linked through deadlists, which doesn't list the Miller source for that show, rather than search on archive, that's why I missed that one). I thought the Vernon AUD sounded better for 3/20 but the SBD is fine too. I have 17 SHN/FLAC '81 shows, plus a few more from Oct that I haven't gotten to yet (probably from jsfc). Considering that I still have in my queue to listen to those fall 81 shows, 20 shows just acquired from unclejon (mostly 83 and 85), 15 more JGB 76 shows, all the 81 JGB on jsfc's vine, about 10 '90 shows from rmb, and, oh, probably another 40 shows (68, 70, 71), I cannot possibly recommend that we pool our resources and do a huge everything from 81 vine. Or can I?
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Here is all the 81 I have as far as dates. A lot of these have already been vined. 26-Feb 27-Feb 28-Feb 7-Mar 9-Mar 13-Mar 18-Mar 20-Mar 30-Apr 1-May 8-May 9-May 11-May 12-May 13-May 15-May 16-May 4-Jul 13-Jul 14-Jul 12-Aug 16-Aug 28-Aug 30-Aug 31-Aug 12-Sep 13-Sep 25-Sep 26-Sep 27-Sep 30-Sep 2-Oct 3-Oct 4-Oct 6-Oct 8-Oct 12-Oct 13-Oct 16-Oct 17-Oct 19-Oct 29-Nov 30-Nov 2-Dec 5-Dec 6-Dec 31-Dec "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This is what i discovered. The following vines stalled with carolina boy-3-28-81 cole field house both died this spring the following vines died with deadhead33- pomo's 197 vine (after the 5th person) fall downunder vine both died in sept. '09 uptown '81 (or lady with a fan stalled this one) early fall 1981-demised with timgard1 (have pm'd 2x now) may 1981- died with lonestar darkstar flac me flac you- was last seen with markinthedark The following 1981 vines may be alive yet- cleveland rocks #2 - pm'd 1958 about it fall 1981 europe vine- unclejon (said 2 weeks ago he'd check into it) nye 71/81- pm'd ripple1974 on this fellow more may '81 vine- on this one i pm'd pdave about this to see if he ever got it from arkdeadhead, if not that is where it died So in essence 9 out of the 12 vines of 1981 are dead......... from 1981 I have 3-12-81 3-14-81 5-01-81 10-11-81 all in wav. the spring shows just smoke and are very high energy..... I agree with dstache, I would really love to see this complete year, but I would settle for whatever people are willing to share....thanks and let me know what I can do to help the cause
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I just checked and I have 2 DVDs (flac/shn) labeled May '81 so that must be the May '81 vine I got. I would be willing to re-seed this in a week or 2. I always make copies of the DVD vines on DVDs as backups.
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Uncle Jon pm'd, he'll reseed in a week or so. Also pdave has responded, and he never recieved the More May '81 vine from arkdeadhead....
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Today's lunchtime XM concert is the Halloween show from 1991: surely there is some good video out there to synchronize with the good audio? Bootleg cameras were common back then.What's up with Sunshine Daydream, Veneta, OR 8/27/72: Is it EVER going to get out?
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I'll do better than reseed - I dug and dug and found the original vine - it will go out today. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I just got hold of a copy of the B&W video of April 12 1978 recently synched with the Bertha remaster soundboard. Also a rehearsal video from the Orpheum Theater 1976/07/12 Any interest in these?
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That would be awesome badger! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I too would be very interested in that video! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I am going to send out a mass PM note to a lot of you here describing a situation (Dead related). Basically, I have been made aware of something. I do not want to post the details on a public forum. I will send out the private PM note Wednesday morning. If for some reason, I missed including you, PM me to find out what's going on. Again, I will only be contacting the core vineyard group here. Tomorrow, the mystery will be revealed.
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how appropriate. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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Deadnet sez: "dstache was the first person to answer correctly and will get to pick a Road Trips of their choice. Check your email for instructions on how to get your prize." Congrats to dstache!
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When it comes to this kind of stuff ;) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Haha, lots of luck involved. I thought the Dark Star was from '69 (the "crank" or washboard noise or whatever that is, plus the length of the song) then looked on deadlists for Dark Stars from that year that were the same, or close, length. Today's Althea was tougher because it wasn't clear, to me at least, what year it was from. I initially thought 80 or 81, but then added 79 and 82 too. Should have stuck with my initial instinct. Then, deadlists does not always list the length of each song during that time period. 3/14/81 is one of the shows the length of songs is not listed. So, really tough. I did figure it out but took longer today. And I didn't try to enter of course (very happy to have won once). Still waiting for the confirmation email, though. 3/14/81 does not circulate on SBD, and the Althea sounds great and the show is rated highly on archive, so it would make a GREAT release! Of course, that '69 show would be GREAT too!!!!
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I guessed the 9/20/70 show using Archives. But I was too late. If MITD was still here, dstache would have a run for his money.
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Someone suggested keeping track of the shows so we don't overlap. These shows have been pledged so far. If you participate, add your shows to the list so we can keep track of them. 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 6/16/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 6/20/80 6/19/80 10/11/83 10/12/83
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3/29/683/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 6/16/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 Since i just got the Cleveland Rocks #2 and it's only in .wav, easy enough to spin a extra copies....
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I'd put my money on dstache any day of the week =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I will be adding a few to the list shortly. In the meantime I would grade Dstache's efforts to this point on the contest as a solid A-. The rest of you I grade out at a C. EDAD grades out as an A+ for his efforts regarding Dan and his issues. "That path is for, your steps alone.
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I will be adding to Dan's list too. I am in middle of late 78 and enjoyed a nice AUD fo 11/13 so I will include it. I don't want to give too much of this era though. I tried again today, for fun, not to win for myself (I MAY have been trying to help one of our friends here). I had it down to 4 shows, 7/19/74, 5/13/73, 10/2/72 and 10/9/72, but it took an hour to get to that point, and I would have gone with 10/2/72, which I now think is incorrect (5/13/73 seems the better answer). I'll do better, I promise!
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Man I almost got busted today at work - I'm in my office, I got my head phones on listening to Playing in the Band (I left a meeting early mind you), I have dead.net, deadlists.com and gmail all open, madly searching through shows when my boss comes walking into my office and that rarely happens, I about flew out of my chair yeeesh! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This is way cool of every one to get in on ! So nice to see the kindness !!I am doing a lot of travling these days but I will see what I can do to contribute also. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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Something wierd is going on. I know the site was down for some maintenance yesterday, and I had an awful time even accessing this site at times. Today when I went to log in, there are user names appearing in my log-in box. I have seen "raymart84santos" and "chrisjegg3" appearing in my log-in user name box. Above it, it says "Sorry, unrecognized username or password." In fact the there is this message.. "You previously logged in to Dead.net and checked the "Remember me" box. At that time, a login cookie was set on your browser that it uses identify you each time you return. However, the login cookie that your browser just provided doesn't match the one it previously set." The ONLY way to log in and bypass this is to click the middle tab at the top "Log in" which clears this error out and then you can log on. I wonder if the site has been hacked. Also, it took me about 4 attempts to log in for it to work.
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happened to me also with the raymart84santos i had to look in the mirror to double check my identity whats going on?
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Not exactly as you describe but just as weird. They seem to work themselves out eventually. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I have added 10/19/74 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83
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Let me add 11/13/78 (have that in i-tunes already) and 3 of my favorite shows, 1/31/78, 11/17/73 and 5/17/77. 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83
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Oops, make that 11/14/73, list is correct above too, just not the paragraph 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83