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    When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.

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    posting entire copyrighted articles rather than linking to them not good. Hey, Guardian needs the ad revenue.
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    Credit should go...
    ...to where credit is due. You and I figured it out. And really, whay has changed in 9 years? The Guardian article is as cogent to day is it was then -- but really should have been dated and sourced in all fairness.
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    to replace pasted-in unsourced copyrighted Guardian article with link thereto. Thanks. Article, while ten years old, is worth reading nonetheless, as would be a current update.
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    And it's 1, 2, 3, 4 -- What're we fightin' for?

    Experts back startling heroin claims

    Alan Travis, home affairs editor

    The prime minister's startling claim yesterday that 90% of the heroin sold on British streets comes from Afghanistan was backed up last night by experts in the drug trade and radical law reformers. link to 2001 Guardian UK article ********************************************************************************************* Thousands more Americans plow through a ruinous country trying to build something from nothing. An American general said he wouldn't be blame a soldier for sending a few kilos home. How much longer do we have to watch and pay in blood & treasure for this obscenity? Meanwhile Dr.s provide opioid pain-killers to anybody and then they're surprised when pretty Betty-Jo, the former prom queen and now married pharmacy technician, gets blown away by a 16 year-old with a shot-gun at the local Rite Aid??.

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    Guess we're agreed except the musical screed!
    It's not up to to you or me or anybody anymore. The planet's screwed because of global warming. No one here gets out alive unless you're plugged into reality. Good luck o that one, brother.
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    A little non Dead advice from the musical world
    It's amazing to me that no one is up in arms protesting the choices of governments recently politicians are suposed to be civil servents, not CEOs, but today I see little difference. Both award themseleves bonuses and raises while the average citizen watches their standard of living go backwards. I know things are bad all over and much worse in the non developed world. I just hear so much frustration, I am so frustrated, yet not enough of us are willing to rise up and shout and hold our elected civil servents accountable. Okay enough of my ranting, there are those out there that can do it much better...and here I give you lyrics by Crass. Some of the references are dated, but the message still applies: (Note: I do not endorse all sentiments expressed in this song, but the overall message of personal responsibility always makes me think...and most often feel guilty I'm not doing more) Big A, little A, bouncing B The system might have got you but it won't get me 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 External control are you gonna let them get you? Do you wanna be a prisoner in the boundaries they set you? You say you want to be yourself, by christ do you think they'll let you? They're out to get you get you get you get you get you get you get you Hello, hello, hello, this is the Lord God, can you hear? Hellfire and damnation's what I've got for you down there On earth I have ambassadors, archbishop, vicar, pope We'll blind you with morality, you'd best abandon any hope, We're telling you you'd better pray cos you were born in sin Right from the start we'll build a cell and then we'll lock you in We sit in holy judgement condemning those that stray We offer our forgiveness, but first we'll make you pay External control are you gonna let them get you? Do you wanna be a prisoner in the boundaries they set you? You say you want to be yourself, by christ do you think they'll let you? They're out to get you get you get you get you get you get you get you Hello, hello, hello, now here's a massage from your queen As figurehead of the status quo I set the social scene I'm most concerned about my people, I want to give them peace So I'm making sure they stay in line with my army and police My prisons and my mental homes have ever open doors For those amongst my subjects who dare to ask for more Unruliness and disrespect are things I can't allow So I'll see the peasants grovel if they refuse to bow External control are you gonna let them get you? Do you wanna be a prisoner in the boundaries they set you? You say you want to be yourself, by christ do you think they'll let you? They're out to get you get you get you get you get you get you get you Introducing the Prime Sinister, she's a mother to us all Like the dutch boy's finger in the dyke her arse is in the wall Holding back the future waiting for the seas to part If Moses did it with is faith, she'll do it with an army Who at times of threatened crisis are certain to be there Guarding national heritage no matter what or where Palaces for kings and queens, mansions for the rich Protection for the wealthy, defence of privilege They've learnt the ropes In Ireland, engaged in civil war Fighting for the ruling classes in their battle against the poor So Ireland's just an island? It's an island of the mind Great Britain? Future? Bollocks, you'd better look behind Round every other corner stands P.C. 1984 Guardian of the future, he'll implement the law He's there as a grim reminder that no matter what you do Big brothers system's always there with his beady eyes on you From God to local bobby, in home and street and school They've got your name and number while you've just got their rule We've got to look for methods to undermine those powers It's time to change the tables. The future must be ours Big A, little A, bouncing B The system might have got you but it won't get me Be exactly who you want to be, do what you want to do I am he and she is she but you're the only you No one else has got your eyes, can see the things you see It's up to you to change your life and my life's up to me The problems that you suffer from are problems that you make The shit we have to climb through is the shit we choose to take If you don't like the life you live, change it now it's yours Nothing has effects if you don't recognise the cause If the programme's not the one you want, get up, turn off the set It's only you that can decide what life you're gonna get If you don't like religion you can be the antichrist If your tired of politics you can be an anarchist But no one ever changed the church by pulling down a steeple And you'll never change the system by bombing number ten Systems just aren't made of bricks they're mostly made of people You may send them into hiding, but they'll be back again If you don't like the rules they make, refuse to play their game If you don't want to be a number, don't give them your name If you don't want to be caught out, refuse to hear their question Silence is a virtue, use it for your own protection They'll try to make you play their game, refuse to show your face If you don't want to be beaten down, refuse to join their race Be exactly who you want to be, do what you want to do I am he and she is she but you're they only you
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    Hey GRTD
    Your link doesn't work. I saw part of the Ventura interview. He does have balls but he is hard to take seriously. There is nobody out there willing to take on the lobbyists. Arguing about which Dem. Repub. for presient makes me want to vomit Fuck official Washington - they are Romans waiting for Rome to burn. Which it obviously will. S&P is thinking of lowering the US Government's bond rating from AAA+. Talk about all down hill from here!!
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    As much as I love dissen the RepubliCONs:We enter a kitchen in middle America. The family is gathered around the kitchen table. An old woman is crying over a pile of medical bills. Her Son and his wife try to comfort her. On the TV Sen. Bohner rails against Medicare and Social Security. Her 5yo grandson speaks, " Daddy why is the Mean Orange man trying to Kill Gramdma? " Any real news about some Northwest dates before the rain comes back in Sept? Like in August?? We are beginning to feel left out . I can't do the June 3.4 Shoreline shows as my Wife will be in the Hospital Actually it's still raining here and has made it to a blistering 44 deg today 423shows and counting. The Bus came by and I got on a Long strange time ago
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    What does everyone think of the Dapper Don's Presidential motivations? My take is; same old song and dance... just a different hairdoo. Of all the political items I've seen lately on TV; the Jesse Ventura interview on CNN a few weeks back takes the cake for balls. Way to go Jesse! I'll vote for you if you run! "What's gonna happen to the arms industry when we realize that we're all one?" ~ Bill Hicks
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    Presidential Library for Wolfbat's tapes?
    Slated for the bottom of the largest copper pit in Butte, Montana ~ Please don't dominate the rap jack If you got nothin' new to say ~
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When our previous topic hit the 1,000-response mark, sleazy behavior by politicians was eliciting a certain amount of non-astonishment.
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to learn that the original hot stepper Gregory issacs passed away yesterday....... may the four winds blow you safely home.
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Last year it was Kodachrome, this year the Walkman. Next thing you know, they'll stop making rotary telephones.
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Paul the soccer-predicting octopus has died. R.I.P. Paul!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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paul gone, our chatroom gone, gonzo gone....i'm outa cookies, and the news item ripple posted is not available.......arrg!!
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Thanx, marye....when I typed in the info from ripple I got a notice saying "this domain no longer served".
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paul the pshycic octopus,and i also miss gonzos pearls of wisdom about those cookies jm ill bake some for you and meet you in the chatroom real soon brother!!!!!
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cookies......!!
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Game 1 of the World Series: Giants are all over Cliff Lee and the Rangers in the 6th.....Juan's deep drive openned it up.. 8 to 2 right now. Lincecum heating up looking good.
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reference at all too this topic i just feel comfortable in here,just wanted to wish you all peace,love and happiness have a grate weekend boys and girls. best wishes Ripple70.
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The cartoon hits the nail on the head with the emergence of the Palinistas and their divisive ideas and statements. I need to go put on my Youngbloods album and sing along w Jesse.
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Renteria with the dagger again! Giants are up in game 5 after another Renteria hit, this time a big 3 run dinger: He sunk the Tribe in 1997 with a hit in game 7. Ironically, in 1954, the Giants beat the Tribe for their last Series win.
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Would not want anyone else to win if it cant be a Tiger.!! :):):):) Yahooo for the City Blessings to the Players and wife's and all the people that make it happen (the grunts) Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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Must be a party in SF! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! GuaranteedI believe you might like them. Most do.
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ok i lie i never have one question but will try to limit my self. Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed Not like its bad . But will have to perform a forced quit hate making my Mac do what it does not want to.:):)
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Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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jm,lily,dave,mean al,gc,ted,jackstraw wheres all the news hounds at this whole place is full of strangerswhere they marye.
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... just to shake their hand! Thanks, Ripple, for triggering a lyric from one of my favorite Hunter songs. Prop 19 went down in defeat out on the left coast last night. Meanwhile, in Kansas, the state selected all the Republican candidates......arrgh! US House of Reps also swung over to a Republican majority, putting Ohio's John Boehner in the Speaker position. Pres. Obama and his platform of change has hit a big speedbump.
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missing Gonzo's inspiration with hard news, but is no reason to shirk my self-appointed responsibility! Am also at a bit of a loss about what to say about yesterday's elections in America, and wanna pick carefully what news to post from that!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Yes Prop 19 was interesting, and terriffic that it was up for voting at all, BUT a whole lot more serious and scary issues on board right now than the right to be high or not, or at least in my opinion!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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With all the influx of traffic to the site, my connection speed seems to have slowed down. Mostly just a little depressed this morning over the elections, not that it was unexpected. In my own Congressional district, I've been trying to vote out since I arrived in this state Virginia Foxx (looks like a stripper's name with the "XX", I know, but she's a blue-haired grandma), a former Bush sycophant and now a major obstructionist. She famously announced to the House this year that Matthew Shepard's murder was a robbery-homicide and that he was not targeted because he was gay, that the whole "hate crime" thing was a hoax perpertrated on the American people. While Matthew's mom was in attendance at the hearing... Just the tip of the Foxx iceberg, but the rural NC folks in my district (a gerrymandered-looking district if I've ever seen one) love her. I'm at a loss to understand why. I KNOW why, I just don't understand it. Mean Al
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I don't understand the lies and paranoia and insanity flying around either. It boggles my mind, honestly. Lies like you just told from Ms. Foxx. SOME folks should have to listen to our news over here for 2-3 days, to see what the rest of the world thinks about these elections. But then again prolly those folks don't care!! ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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Michigan has such sheep as people we hire people who out source their ex company(GATEWAY)We just had a Major community say no to medical and not even allowed to grow in. The area is rural. Funny they all want to change the law we voted in by 63%. Prop 19 was defeated by the dispensaries and those cashing in a little know fact. Look were they gave their money. And there are far bigger concerns. This state bellied up to fear tactics and not remembering how we got in to such a lousy situation. Take no responsibility and blame others. Then when that does not work jump ships and expect gold streets in 2 years. Baffles me how can anything work unless all work together forget the sides were are all one. Yet im the idiot and unreasonable one and the Dreamer wont you be one too. Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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I watch europe for news BBC and others anything but our 2 owners deciding what we will hear.Americans look like pure idiots . Step back and take a view. Sad as it may be to do. Do For Other's you Will Feel Better!!! Guaranteed
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It's outrageous to have to put up with all the political b.s bought as advertisements by the media and shoved down our throats. Thank goodness the elections are over & the attack ads stop!I propose that no more political ads be placed on-air and that the money spent on such garbage be spent on charitable causes or paying down the national debt.
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Ted!********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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they're all bastards, both sides, they both use fear, paranoia and outright lies to try and convince the voters. The Murray/Rossi fight here in Washington state has been a prime example. Damned politicians have absolutely NO morals and don't want us to think for ourselves. I'm sick of it..........ok, now may I have a cookie?
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Let's start passing out the cookies. And some cake, cake and chocolate pudding for me, please.
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johnman pass me a cookie.
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the good people of singapore going about there daily shopping when bits of a plane start falling around there ears.Luckily no one was hit and it was just part of one of the planes engines so no probs there then.Plane made an emergency landing and everyone was fine,well with that and terror attacks no flying for this hippy for a while. Have a grate weekend all. Peace.
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Yeah musta been a shock alright for the passengers, as well as the folks on the ground in Singapore, who heard the boom and saw the parts falling. But it seems that Quantas acted responsibly, by grounding all 380's until experts can identify exactly what happened. Perhaps there's a reason why "Quantas never crashed" as Rainman said! ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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...on the elections? (Sorry to be away friends but some times you have to give it a break).Alan Grayson went down in flames in ther 8th District of Florida. This guys ran a no holds barred political campaign that made a lot of the big-money boys cringe. He shouted out long and hard sabout the war and the economy, the banks -- you name it. Though he unfortunately negged out at the end with some stupid commercials. Speaking of neg. attack ads., They of are now in Vermont where they never used to be. Thank the PACS and the corps.. Elections are such a farce. The government is nothing but the enforcers of the Big Money boys. Think about it. The rich are taking as they like and telling us to shut up. I can only take this shit for so long before I snap. Fuck these vein, ridiculous people. There, see why I have to stay awy? My Blood Pressure just went up 20 points! Seriously though, missing the conversation with you all. ~ Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools ~
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am dang glad to see you-high BP or not! ********************************** By trying we can easily learn to endure adversity -- another man's I mean. Mark Twain
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But do watch the BPs....both the one starting in "blood" and the other one ending in "petroleum."
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You folks live in a tough country You choose a guy to lead you who is full of bright ideas He inherits a crock of shit, tries hard, but inevitably falls short of delivering the promised land in just 2 years. So what do you do? Cut off one his legs and say ‘There you go buddy. Lets see how you do in the next two years'’ Merciless? Democracy in action? A spineless loss of nerve? A judicious balancing of the ship? Who knows. This I do know. It may be wise not to trust intellectuals, but that does not make being wilfully ignorant any better.
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Turned into instant-gratification junkies here, CB. Get it done now = get it done last week or last month or last year, and long term = get it done yesterday. It's sometimes comical in my job -- testing things. "How quickly can you get it done?" "The test takes 40 hrs." "But how quickly can you get it done?" "40 hrs. takes 40 hrs. I can't change the speed at which time passes." Dissatisfied co-worker walks away thinking that I'm a jerk or incompetent or both. And maybe I AM a jerk and/or incompetent, but 40 hrs is still 40 hrs.
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screw politics, politicians, corporations, and politicians...did I mention corporations or politicians?