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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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  • LoveJerry
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    You wrote "if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for." with all due respect,Your "argument" makes no sense and has no relevance to the discussion here. By your definition of "perceived value", nothing is worth anything (or everything is worth anything you want it to be). The discussion point here, is that the CD sets here are more valuable if they are no longer available at retail prices. $800 for Fillmore West or whatever the going price is, is not a perceived value it's the actual value. It's no different than the rookie Hank Aaron baseball card. It used to be worth the nickel you paid for the pack of cards, now it's worth much more because it's an old out-of-print collector's item. I think you were waxing Gestalt. Are we really here or do we just think we're here.....snafu's summary of stamp collecting is a good analogy too.
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    Gold has no value?
    Gold is one of the most important natural resources in the Earth. If you don't believe me look of the uses for gold in the sciences, engineering and computer science. Without gold the modern world and its technologies could not and would not exist. At this point in human history gold is invaluable and a limited resource so it will continue to increase in price. Thats why tech companies are looking into gold reclaiming methods from obsolete device. Recycling precious, conductive and non-reactive metals is an up and coming billionaire dollar business in developing nations right now. Unfortunately the poorest of the poor often do the labor and are exposed to toxins,carcinogens, and unsafe working conditions to bring us our electronic toys. Many Americans and "first-world" citizens still ignorantly benefit off the backs of the less fortunate. Its not just our clothes, running shoes, and soccer balls anymore.
  • kyleharmon
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    perceived value: a customer's
    perceived value: a customer's opinion of a product's value to him or her. It may have little or nothing to do with the product's market price, and depends on the product's ability to satisfy his or her needs or requirements.
  • David Duryea
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    value
    Reading through all these posts makes me glad I invested all my money in tulips. Their value will never go down.
  • snafu
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    Collectors value
    To those who in response to my post on collectors say they never think of the value to other collectors or the market I understand but that just means your not a collector in the way I and most collectors define it. Not good not bad just irrelevant to the post. And to be honest "collectors" can be a little of both. My stamp collecting is 2 things to me. The value is definitely important but since I look at stamps as little works of art especially the older issues they have an aescetic value. As for GD releases it's much the same 1st comes the music but most definitely when I buy it as a ltd ed the collector in me thinks of the value appreciation. Too the younger members here how would you feel if some Michael Jordan special collectors sneaker was suddenly reissued dropping the value of your in the box etc etc sneaker by 75%
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    Economic illiteracy
    It never fails to amaze me the economic illiteracy that's out there and I'm not just talking about posts here. The price something sells for is its value at that moment not perceived. It could change in a day but at the moment of sale it mpst assuredly is worth that. The basis involves many things. The classic where I live is the price of housing. Houses on the peninsula in the Bay Area are starting at 700,000 minimum. I hear usually frpm non homeowners or people from elsewhere they're not wprth that much. Of course that's absurd since if I price something that the market will bare it won't sell, pretty simple. And addressing the perceived perspective they not only continue to rise but even during the worst of the real estate crash they selling prices took a momentary small dip then flattened out and within a year started rising. At each point along the way the price a house sold for eas its real value. Now as I said there are many thing that impact real npt perceived value. You live in an area where the industrial base collapses -detroit- the real value decreases because demand for housing drops because people are leaving. Another cause of real value change are land use laws. In the Bay Area ther are huge areas of the Peninsula where home building is severely restricted raising the value of what's left.If they suddenly passed a law opening that land to full use the real value of ecosting would obviously crash. The pint os real reasons for real value.
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    S'all about the music, y'all!
    I'm one of those old fuddie-duddie Gen X'ers who bought LPs when i was a kid and still enjoys having the "Real McCoy" item. And best retail CD sound quality, of course. If you are happy with lossy streams/mp3's and earbuds then: Good on you. Just so happens CDs sound the best. That's just the way it is. I have plenty of storage space so it's a WIN/WIN. If i was ever financially forced to sell, i'd be chuffed to just break even money wise. In fact i just bought DiP 6 (dunno why i slept on it for so long) which only leaves 27 missing from my Dick's Picks retail collection. And for the poster with all the Hendrix bootlegs: I'm sure you'd do just fine on ebay or discogs if you wanted to resell. (Might have to work fast due to the unlicensed music though.) As long as i keep my good job and good health, i will continue to buy retail CDs. Killer music and vintage audio gear is my life's one true passion. No kids. No wife anymore. No flash car payments. No regrets.
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    Perceived value
    Agreed. It's in the eye of the beholder. I paid $362 shipped to my door for the MAY 1977 2013 Box Set a month or two ago. Pens out to $26 per disc. The package and booklet are GSTL Ltd. Ed. level too. The shows all have that lovely, aquatic/lyseric jazzy cool Betty Board reverb that just does it for me and my Genalex Gold Lion KT88 output tubes. Def my fave era of the band. It's like they were listening to alot of Steely Dan and/or chasing the Dragon in the tour bus between that run of shows. (That's a good thing imho, Lols.)
  • Vguy72
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    In case you were wondering....
    ....I didn't sell a puck. "A" puck sold for that.
  • kyleharmon
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    well liberty caps they really
    well liberty caps they really aren't worth 60 bucks a disc. or any other limited product sold on ebay for that matter. they are sold at "perceived value" which is different from the actual value of a product. gold is worthless it serves no purpose. but because people want it cuz other people want it, It has "perceived value" and its expensive. so I mean if you go and buy a box set on ebay for a thousand dollars its not really worth thousand dollars you're paying for.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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Incredible clip of Tom Waits singing Rain Dogs. I haven't come across anyone else in music who approaches things quite like he does. Hats off- a true original.
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....I sense another Partridge Family / Brady Bunch debate forthcoming.
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Who had the better Consigliere? Mr. Kincaid? or Alice The Maid? I wonder who Jerry liked or disliked more?
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No debate there, man. The Partridge Family all the way. They had instruments that they almost played. And a quasi-psychedelic bus. And Reuben Kincaid! Those Bradys were just a canned act. Cue audience applause -- now!
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Yeah but I sill love Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!
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I'm with you there. Though Laurie Partridge held her own. At least until Charlie's Angels came along.
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Here is the live Tommy mp3 I spoke of yesterday or the day before, but forgot to post. A good friend reminded me. This is most of Tommy. I omitted Fiddle About, Cousin Kevin, and I think Tommy's Holiday Camp (Keith Moon would throw a FIT!) This is comprised of the best versions from Live at Leeds, Isle of Wight 1970, and Woodstock (Live at Hull had not been released yet). I think I doubled up on Sparks for very good reasons. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gvnDVUzNQyjrs9XpNzKqkhGazTbb9cJI Let me know if it's properly accessible. For you audiophiles it went like this: CD => WAV => mp3 (320kbps); so while technically lossy, the word I've heard (read actually), is that the loss at 320kbps is in frequency ranges out of our hearing capability and metadata. When it came time to rip my Dead library digitally, I took the Pepsi Challenge on headphones and the big stereo, and Icannot distinguish between WAV and 320kbps mp3. Unfortunately, the Tommy WAV is MIA, sorry about that. Size = 101MB
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...as in, "Knockin' On Heaven's"... Sounds like ol' Jer might be figuring out how to plug in his MIDI from beyond the pearly gates! Either that or the "Space" from 7/8/78 that I broadcast into the universe from SETI's Allen Telescope Array a few years back is finally being acknowledged/answered by our alien brothers and sisters!
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Manzarek might have once asked Pigpen if he could use his organ and Pigpen didn't know this guy from Adam and refused him. From that you get what reads much like an over-wrought, heavily embroidered "story" about the GD from some skinny griper from LA. As a writer, it sounds like one or two molecules of memory and 99% BS larded on because poor little Ray's sensibilities were offended. Early '67 and a giant "support system" of blah blah blah? Sounds more like little Ray was intimidated by the general scene. Please pardon me, folks: F*** Ray Manzarek and his tight-ass LA BS.
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KeithFan I downloaded it okay. WOW. I've only ever heard the Tommy LP and this is WHOA NELLY!!! I can't believe my ears. Do you have a list of which songs came from which albums? Just a comment on the thin Doors - isn't it possible that the thin live sound is due to the recording quality? I mean, if you listen to '74 Dead, it's thin, but only because of the limitations imposed by the WoS rig, inasmuch as recording the music is concerned. There's no question that in person, the Wall of Sound was much fuller than what we got on tape. There is, of course, no substitute for a bass guitar in rock n roll, but if bass pedals and bassy low end organ is being played at the live Doors gigs, I imagine their sound would have been rich enough in person. But I'm guessing. I've never seen the Doors or heard a live record. Thin, I was not offended by anything you wrote, but commend your handling of the situation in subsequent posts. You are an officer and a gentleman. or was it a gentleman and a scholar? Laurie Partridge might be the most beautiful brunette of the 70s. The blue eyes, the bell-bottom jeans, the plaid button down shirts, the feathered hair style (did I miss any 70s attributes?) Oh yeah, I was reminded of the bra-less nipples through the t-shirt look, and the hairy armpits.
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I hardly ever listen to The Doors (anymore). That being said, I think L.A. Woman is up there in the pantheon of great studio albums. It's not Blonde on Blonde or Abbey Road, etc., but it is solid and definitely worth a listen.I think it is their studio album that has the most chance of appealing to a music-lover that does not otherwise consider themselves a Doors fan. Really looking forward to DaP 26! Still kind of wondering why they didn't go 12/14 and 12/15/71 (so as to get a Dark Star and that Lovelight medley on 12/15 - also back to back nights). But I hope it's because 11/17 was just too darn smoking and too much of a sonic upgrade to pass on.
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..purportedly made the brown acid at Woodstock. I guess that explains those freaky eye shades he was always wearing on tour. It's a toss up. Checking the weather in Vancouver.. perfect windy weather to record the box set release video... That Bolo video reminds me of the beginning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind..
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I had forgotten about the old supposed split in ideology between San Francisco bands and L.A ones. I always assumed THAT was BS-but thinking about it, maybe in the mid 60s the bands from LA made better records, but the bands from SF were better live. LA bands like The Doors, Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds, Love-all made brilliant records in 1966-67-but all were apparently less impressive live. With SF bands the reverse may have been true. Although Electric Music For The Mind and Body by Country Joe and the Fish was a classic. And After Bathing At Baxters was good, too. So maybe what I am saying is BS.
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I have some Doors concert recordings, will have to go back and check if they sound ‘thin’. Doors had a keyboard player who faked bass. Rush has a bass player who fakes keyboards. I like both Doors and Rush. But I like Grateful Dead best!!!!!
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Gotta transport those rockets somehow...
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Rockets are too big for the trunk. But what about Love and Rockets?
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...are so alive. They pretty much power themselves.
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Daddy's home
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Daddy's drunk. Again.
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Moe’s was having 3-for-1 specials all night long.
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By the end of the 60s, Sly and the Family Stone, Santana, Steve Miller Band, Creedence made GREAT music in the studio, much of it equal to or surpassing that of the popular L.A. bands. And where does the brilliance of the Mothers figure in this comparison? Great, original, loved and reviled....
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....(cue Obi-Wan). "Now that's a name I have not heard in a long, long time."
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finally listened to Wake of the Flood all the way through since it came to my house in the Beyond Description box set. and I haven't listened to a studio album in a long while. "we need a box set announcement now! YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING ANIMALS!"
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....what are ya gonna do about it! What are ya gonna do about it! What are ya gonna do about it!." Morrisons rants aren't like Pigpens, but they get the point across....box set please?Welcome Terrapin Moon. I like your style.
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....your plane is crashing into the waters off some uninhabited island. You have a crate of every Who song ever recorded. You also have a crate of every Doors song ever recorded. Which one do you attach the parachute to? Answer wisely. Doors. (this is an unbiased poll. No "but I have a cargo ship of every Dead song ever recorded" answers.) I admit. It was a tough call for me ;)
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it's the only thing I know about him. Animals was my second real pink Floyd album (I won't count Echoes). I special ordered it at a record store in February '02. there's nothing that can replace special ordering an album at a record store and picking it up
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Have to go back to 23 and then all the way to 19 for a similar result. Topical and inspiring. More of same for awhile please!
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I think id take the doors and I don't even listen to the doors. I have a bit the who I just don't listen to em anymore and I think I like Who's Next out of what I have. but all this Doors talk is making me think of that Kids In The Hall skit about being a Doors fan
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LOVE Animals, my favorite Floyd album.Love Echoes too. By the way, which one’s Pink? I’ll jump out of the plane with The Who collection. Alternatively, I’ll throw both collections out of the plane and maybe the plane will keep flying until I reach my destination on the deserted island of Club Dead.
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Thanks for the help with the Janis folks.:o)
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unpopular request but, i'm hoping for some spring '92 to get released at some point. could make for a nice mini box.
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Bolo's back on the bacon. Or mayhaps not. Seems it could go either way.
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...charade you are.
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I always thought Roger Daltreys scream towards the end of this song was copped from Jim Morrisons in When The Musics Over. Not a bad thing-its one of the best Who records.
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7-27-73 2 CDs7-28-73 4 CDs 7-xx-73 1 CD Seven 7’s in the dates, and 7 CDs in the Box.
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The Ice Cream Kid makes a valid point, 1973? I suspect 1973 represents a large portion of the newly returned tapes and it fits with recent focus on returned reels. I was going through my collection this morning. The shows directly after Pig's passing (3/8/73) are the Spring '73 Nassau Coliseum shows. Excellent shows btw. 03/15/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY 03/16/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY 03/19/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY I went to add up the # of discs it would take, etc. and realized my 3/19/73 started with the last song of the first set, Playing in the Band. The soundboards for the first set were incomplete when I pulled this down from the archive all those years ago. Then I looked back out at the archive and sure enough.. there is a new Miller seed that has the complete show. It was added less than a month ago, on March 11th, 2018. Big Man, Pig Man (no Pig Man). HaHa.. Charade You Are. When Dave's Picks 13, 2/24/1974 was released.. on the release video (the one where he narrowly avoided being mauled by the group of bad tempered, LA sound grooving, rabid seals) Dave said this should have been released a long time ago but it was overlooked, because... "it was just too obvious." 1973 is just too obvious. I still think it's a Summer '73 Box, but Spring seems to fit the clues a touch better. The closer we get to nailing this, the more likely Dave will be to dust off his log rolling shoes and drag himself out on the rocky beach to dodge surly sea lions and record for us a release video.
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