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    "We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

    We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

    DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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  • Roguedeadguy
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    Check out the Nugs.net site. They appear to have all the Dead & Co shows available on physical CD, in addition to a multitude of download formats. I've bought a few shows on CD from them over the years (other bands, not D&C) and they're excellent quality SBDs. Sometimes I get the CD as a souvenir of sorts when it was a particularly mind melting show. Usually shows are available on that site within a day or two after the performance. Let me know if you have any other questions or if you're not seeing what I'm seeing.
  • JimInMD
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    I didn't see the words scum and leeches in Doc's comments. This subject has come up before, I took his reach out to be more an act of hey.. I will send anyone this for free if you like, no questions asked. The harsh comments were not directed towards dissident, just another persons view of the organization that put together that box set. Certainly not towards anyone here. I really take this whole conversation as just more clarity on what that box set is. Is that fair to say, I did not read any of these comments as personal barbs or jabs. I personally do not hold any ill will for someone buying this box and expressing hype that he/she likes it. But I do see some value is a poster here saying, hey.. that's great, but I would gladly send anyone else interested the same thing for free, sans packaging and cut the middleman out of the loop.
  • LedDed
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    I too have the yellow 1971 box, I got mine really cheap, like $30. The sound is up and down, kind of middling like other radio broadcast releases. The point is having the shows that haven't been officially released. There is no moral or ethical quandary here about buying bootlegs. I'll buy a T-shirt in a parking lot. The band are all millionaires - and they get plenty of my money also. The official releases sound the best of anything out there - by far. Even the premier taper's shows are lacking in fidelity by comparison. I'll listen to some of those shows maybe one time for the experience but then have to run and blast out a Normanized-show to cleanse my ears. Even the 30 Days of Dead downloads here every November sound like crap. The quality of a cd or even an Apple download blows those away, sound-wise.
  • Thin
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    Whoa, WHOA dissident... Easy on Doc. Why does everyone pounce all over each other with daggers at the drop of a hat? If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Doc. Doc's not a hypocrite and he's not scolding anyone for buying bootleg shows - he's just pointing out that they are technically illegal, and the Dead sees no profit from the scum who flood the market with product that they have no quality-control over and see no profit from. I think Doc is more likely "sticking it to the leeches" by offering for free a show the leeches are trying to sell you for $40. I bought some bootleg shows on CD back in the day just because it was my ONLY way in, before I got hip to trading. I wasn't proud to support the leeches, but I HAD HAD HAD to hear 4/28/71, or 5/8/77, at the time, so I bought it. Doc is sharing shows, just as ALL of us share shows, right? There is nothing wrong with that - it's what we've all done for decades, right? Am I missing something here? The sales of Dave's Picks are going UP despite the incredible ease of streaming, downloading and file-sharing. Trading and sharing shows INCREASES interest in the commercial product. The model works.
  • icecrmcnkd
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    I pay for better sound and the Full Norman
    I don’t read the liner notes (can’t, the type is too small and often printed with a color that blends with the background) and only look at the artwork when first received. Then I make a CD-R copy to listen to and put the original in storage. I have over 4TB of torrent FLAC but still buy every release because they usually sound better and often include missing pieces (1-22-78). So buying official releases makes sense. Bootleggers just get the same torrents I already have and package them up. This was all previously discussed on another thread when that 71 box was announced.
  • Forensicdoceleven
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    Youth is the gift of nature, but age is a work of art
    Yo rockers!!! Before this turns into a painful and public flame war, let me say this about that........ But first, a disclaimer. Have I ever bought a bootleg Dead product? You bet. Back in 1979, I bought about 4 or 5 bootleg Dead albums. However, once I discovered free trading networks, that ended.... As somebody said, it IS about the music. And when I share, I don't "package" it. I send just the music, people can decide for themselves whether it has merit or not. That applies to 1971 or any other year. For those who care, here's the logic: In doing what I do, the Dead aren't losing any money----but that's not the point. The point is, I don't profit from the creative act of the artist. Bootleggers do. If people don't see that difference, well................ And just for the record, and this is just one man's opinion, in this forum you don't do a "public service" by promoting bootleggers............... Anybody who wishes to continue the debate, that's why pm was invented........... Doc
  • Mr.Dc
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    One is basically paying bootleggers for cardboard with grateful dead related images and notes when it comes to that 1971 yellow FM boxset. One can even read/print out all the liner notes and see high quality scans of all its contents on discogs, so there isn't even that incentive either. This is my opinion of course, I mean no offense.
  • icecrmcnkd
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    Why would you pay for something that you can get for free?Free from Doc (as long as it’s in the range of 71-71) and free from the magical torrents (all years). The Dead also don’t get a penny if Doc gives it to you, but Doc gets the satisfaction of spreading the gospel of 71.
  • Forensicdoceleven
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    Morning rockers!!!! I thought I smelled some comments about 1971. Serves me right for sniffing around............ That previously mentioned 1971 FM box set is a well known bootleg artifact that is completely legal in Europe. Less so here in the US of A. If you buy it, keep in mind that the Dead don't see a penny of that, it all goes to the bootleggers........... If anybody out there is interested in those shows, I will send them to you for FREE. Yes, FREE. Free exchange of music, wrap yer Sunday morning mind around that concept........... Miss me yet? LMAO!!!! Back to lurker mode................ Rock on, Doc Some rise by sin, and some by virtue fall
  • daverock
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    I agree, with Dissident, a great box. Every show is worth hearing, especially 11/7/71 Harding Theater.
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"We left with our minds sufficiently blown and still peaking..."

We're headed back to that peak with the newly returned tapes from Broome County Veterans Memorial Arena, Binghamton, 11/6/77. The Grateful Dead's last touring show of 1977 finds them going for broke, taking chances on fan favorites like "Jack Straw," "Friend Of The Devil," and "The Music Never Stopped," carving out righteous grooves on a one-of-kind "Scarlet>Fire" and a tremendous "Truckin'." An ultra high energy show, with a first set that rivals the second? Not unheard of, but definitely rare. Hear for yourself...

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 25 features liner notes by Rob Bleetstein, photos by Bob Minkin, and original art by our 2018 Dave's Picks Artist-In-Residence Tim McDonagh. As always, it has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Get one before they are gone, gone, gone.

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Incredible clip of Tom Waits singing Rain Dogs. I haven't come across anyone else in music who approaches things quite like he does. Hats off- a true original.
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....I sense another Partridge Family / Brady Bunch debate forthcoming.
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Who had the better Consigliere? Mr. Kincaid? or Alice The Maid? I wonder who Jerry liked or disliked more?
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No debate there, man. The Partridge Family all the way. They had instruments that they almost played. And a quasi-psychedelic bus. And Reuben Kincaid! Those Bradys were just a canned act. Cue audience applause -- now!
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Yeah but I sill love Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!
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I'm with you there. Though Laurie Partridge held her own. At least until Charlie's Angels came along.
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Here is the live Tommy mp3 I spoke of yesterday or the day before, but forgot to post. A good friend reminded me. This is most of Tommy. I omitted Fiddle About, Cousin Kevin, and I think Tommy's Holiday Camp (Keith Moon would throw a FIT!) This is comprised of the best versions from Live at Leeds, Isle of Wight 1970, and Woodstock (Live at Hull had not been released yet). I think I doubled up on Sparks for very good reasons. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gvnDVUzNQyjrs9XpNzKqkhGazTbb9cJI Let me know if it's properly accessible. For you audiophiles it went like this: CD => WAV => mp3 (320kbps); so while technically lossy, the word I've heard (read actually), is that the loss at 320kbps is in frequency ranges out of our hearing capability and metadata. When it came time to rip my Dead library digitally, I took the Pepsi Challenge on headphones and the big stereo, and Icannot distinguish between WAV and 320kbps mp3. Unfortunately, the Tommy WAV is MIA, sorry about that. Size = 101MB
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...as in, "Knockin' On Heaven's"... Sounds like ol' Jer might be figuring out how to plug in his MIDI from beyond the pearly gates! Either that or the "Space" from 7/8/78 that I broadcast into the universe from SETI's Allen Telescope Array a few years back is finally being acknowledged/answered by our alien brothers and sisters!
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Manzarek might have once asked Pigpen if he could use his organ and Pigpen didn't know this guy from Adam and refused him. From that you get what reads much like an over-wrought, heavily embroidered "story" about the GD from some skinny griper from LA. As a writer, it sounds like one or two molecules of memory and 99% BS larded on because poor little Ray's sensibilities were offended. Early '67 and a giant "support system" of blah blah blah? Sounds more like little Ray was intimidated by the general scene. Please pardon me, folks: F*** Ray Manzarek and his tight-ass LA BS.
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KeithFan I downloaded it okay. WOW. I've only ever heard the Tommy LP and this is WHOA NELLY!!! I can't believe my ears. Do you have a list of which songs came from which albums? Just a comment on the thin Doors - isn't it possible that the thin live sound is due to the recording quality? I mean, if you listen to '74 Dead, it's thin, but only because of the limitations imposed by the WoS rig, inasmuch as recording the music is concerned. There's no question that in person, the Wall of Sound was much fuller than what we got on tape. There is, of course, no substitute for a bass guitar in rock n roll, but if bass pedals and bassy low end organ is being played at the live Doors gigs, I imagine their sound would have been rich enough in person. But I'm guessing. I've never seen the Doors or heard a live record. Thin, I was not offended by anything you wrote, but commend your handling of the situation in subsequent posts. You are an officer and a gentleman. or was it a gentleman and a scholar? Laurie Partridge might be the most beautiful brunette of the 70s. The blue eyes, the bell-bottom jeans, the plaid button down shirts, the feathered hair style (did I miss any 70s attributes?) Oh yeah, I was reminded of the bra-less nipples through the t-shirt look, and the hairy armpits.
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I hardly ever listen to The Doors (anymore). That being said, I think L.A. Woman is up there in the pantheon of great studio albums. It's not Blonde on Blonde or Abbey Road, etc., but it is solid and definitely worth a listen.I think it is their studio album that has the most chance of appealing to a music-lover that does not otherwise consider themselves a Doors fan. Really looking forward to DaP 26! Still kind of wondering why they didn't go 12/14 and 12/15/71 (so as to get a Dark Star and that Lovelight medley on 12/15 - also back to back nights). But I hope it's because 11/17 was just too darn smoking and too much of a sonic upgrade to pass on.
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..purportedly made the brown acid at Woodstock. I guess that explains those freaky eye shades he was always wearing on tour. It's a toss up. Checking the weather in Vancouver.. perfect windy weather to record the box set release video... That Bolo video reminds me of the beginning of Close Encounters of the Third Kind..
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I had forgotten about the old supposed split in ideology between San Francisco bands and L.A ones. I always assumed THAT was BS-but thinking about it, maybe in the mid 60s the bands from LA made better records, but the bands from SF were better live. LA bands like The Doors, Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds, Love-all made brilliant records in 1966-67-but all were apparently less impressive live. With SF bands the reverse may have been true. Although Electric Music For The Mind and Body by Country Joe and the Fish was a classic. And After Bathing At Baxters was good, too. So maybe what I am saying is BS.
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I have some Doors concert recordings, will have to go back and check if they sound ‘thin’. Doors had a keyboard player who faked bass. Rush has a bass player who fakes keyboards. I like both Doors and Rush. But I like Grateful Dead best!!!!!
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Gotta transport those rockets somehow...
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Rockets are too big for the trunk. But what about Love and Rockets?
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...are so alive. They pretty much power themselves.
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Daddy's home
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Daddy's drunk. Again.
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Moe’s was having 3-for-1 specials all night long.
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By the end of the 60s, Sly and the Family Stone, Santana, Steve Miller Band, Creedence made GREAT music in the studio, much of it equal to or surpassing that of the popular L.A. bands. And where does the brilliance of the Mothers figure in this comparison? Great, original, loved and reviled....
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....(cue Obi-Wan). "Now that's a name I have not heard in a long, long time."
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finally listened to Wake of the Flood all the way through since it came to my house in the Beyond Description box set. and I haven't listened to a studio album in a long while. "we need a box set announcement now! YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING ANIMALS!"
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....what are ya gonna do about it! What are ya gonna do about it! What are ya gonna do about it!." Morrisons rants aren't like Pigpens, but they get the point across....box set please?Welcome Terrapin Moon. I like your style.
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....your plane is crashing into the waters off some uninhabited island. You have a crate of every Who song ever recorded. You also have a crate of every Doors song ever recorded. Which one do you attach the parachute to? Answer wisely. Doors. (this is an unbiased poll. No "but I have a cargo ship of every Dead song ever recorded" answers.) I admit. It was a tough call for me ;)
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it's the only thing I know about him. Animals was my second real pink Floyd album (I won't count Echoes). I special ordered it at a record store in February '02. there's nothing that can replace special ordering an album at a record store and picking it up
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Have to go back to 23 and then all the way to 19 for a similar result. Topical and inspiring. More of same for awhile please!
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I think id take the doors and I don't even listen to the doors. I have a bit the who I just don't listen to em anymore and I think I like Who's Next out of what I have. but all this Doors talk is making me think of that Kids In The Hall skit about being a Doors fan
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LOVE Animals, my favorite Floyd album.Love Echoes too. By the way, which one’s Pink? I’ll jump out of the plane with The Who collection. Alternatively, I’ll throw both collections out of the plane and maybe the plane will keep flying until I reach my destination on the deserted island of Club Dead.
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Thanks for the help with the Janis folks.:o)
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unpopular request but, i'm hoping for some spring '92 to get released at some point. could make for a nice mini box.
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Bolo's back on the bacon. Or mayhaps not. Seems it could go either way.
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...charade you are.
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I always thought Roger Daltreys scream towards the end of this song was copped from Jim Morrisons in When The Musics Over. Not a bad thing-its one of the best Who records.
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7-27-73 2 CDs7-28-73 4 CDs 7-xx-73 1 CD Seven 7’s in the dates, and 7 CDs in the Box.
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The Ice Cream Kid makes a valid point, 1973? I suspect 1973 represents a large portion of the newly returned tapes and it fits with recent focus on returned reels. I was going through my collection this morning. The shows directly after Pig's passing (3/8/73) are the Spring '73 Nassau Coliseum shows. Excellent shows btw. 03/15/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY 03/16/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY 03/19/73- Nassau Coliseum - Uniondale, NY I went to add up the # of discs it would take, etc. and realized my 3/19/73 started with the last song of the first set, Playing in the Band. The soundboards for the first set were incomplete when I pulled this down from the archive all those years ago. Then I looked back out at the archive and sure enough.. there is a new Miller seed that has the complete show. It was added less than a month ago, on March 11th, 2018. Big Man, Pig Man (no Pig Man). HaHa.. Charade You Are. When Dave's Picks 13, 2/24/1974 was released.. on the release video (the one where he narrowly avoided being mauled by the group of bad tempered, LA sound grooving, rabid seals) Dave said this should have been released a long time ago but it was overlooked, because... "it was just too obvious." 1973 is just too obvious. I still think it's a Summer '73 Box, but Spring seems to fit the clues a touch better. The closer we get to nailing this, the more likely Dave will be to dust off his log rolling shoes and drag himself out on the rocky beach to dodge surly sea lions and record for us a release video.
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